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2dumb2kwit
12-03-2010, 08:36 PM
How would you like to go to jail for 7 years, for having two legally purchased, unloaded, locked, handguns....in the trunk of your car.

Gotta love Jersey!


Aitken had purchased the guns legally in Colorado, and he passed an FBI background check when he bought them, his father said. And he said Brian also contacted New Jersey State Police before moving back back home to discuss how to properly transport his weapons. But despite those good-faith efforts, he said, Brian was convicted on weapons charges and sent to prison in August.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/02/new-jersey-gun-case-highlights-patchwork-state-gun-laws-relatives-experts-say/

(Sorry PAL.)

crashdive123
12-03-2010, 08:38 PM
Yet but another reason I'm from New Jersey and not in New Jersey.

2dumb2kwit
12-03-2010, 08:42 PM
Now I will admit, it sounds like there is more to the story, than what is in the article.....but still!!! Dang!

Rick
12-03-2010, 08:50 PM
The article makes several good points. It's hard to know from location to location what the laws are. My wife is going to Ohio tomorrow and I've been sitting here researching their laws because they don't honor Indiana CCW. We honor theirs but do they honor ours? Noooooooooooo.

LowKey
12-03-2010, 09:08 PM
You want to try living in Massachusetts???
Anything bought out of state has to pass thru FFLs AND they have to be on The Roster.
The Roster is an Attorney General's and Executive Office of Public Safety's list of guns 'approved' for use in MA. It's based under 'Consumer Protection' so it skirts, 'gun control ban' and some gun companies just refuse to submit pieces for test. It's not worth it to them to 'comply' with one state's rules. You can't buy new Savage Arms, some Kimbers, some Colts, and some Glocks here (actually several others too). Only ones that can be proved to have been in this state pre-ban if it's not on the Roster.
The Roster is published twice a year and changes constantly.
And you all think CA is bad...

If you want to take a look, here are the Roster PDFs
download at your own risk.
http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=eopssubtopic&L=4&L0=Home&L1=Firearms+Registration+%26+Laws&L2=Firearms+Records+Bureau&L3=Approved+Weapons+Rosters&sid=Eeops

crashdive123
12-03-2010, 09:11 PM
You want to try living in Massachusetts???


No thank you.:blush:

Pal334
12-03-2010, 09:15 PM
This was and is a travesty. It was covered quite extensively when it happened here. The state continues to do everything possible to make life miserable. There is still a slight chance that he will be pardoned, fingers crossed for him. Another amongst many why Iwill be out of here soon

Rick
12-03-2010, 09:31 PM
I would have thought 1967 Delta 88s would have been on the roster, too.

LowKey
12-03-2010, 09:34 PM
Even if he is pardoned, he still has that 'conviction'. Makes you ineligible for a license, doesn't it?

Justin Case
12-03-2010, 09:41 PM
I guess its kind of like taking booze into some of those dry Alaska villages,, ?

Winter
12-03-2010, 11:13 PM
Yet but another reason I'm from New Jersey and not in New Jersey.


Me too..


Our "Just Us" system is broken.

2dumb2kwit
12-04-2010, 07:36 AM
I would have thought 1967 Delta 88s would have been on the roster, too.

HeHe....I get it! It took a minute, but I got it.:thumbs_up: LOL

I guess I'm off to a slow start, this morning. I tried to log on, and it told me that I had used an invalid user name........turns out I mispelled "dumb".:yes:

rebel
12-04-2010, 09:47 AM
Looks like Mom got her revenge.

LowKey
12-04-2010, 10:44 AM
Ya, I was thinking that too.
Nothing worse than a woman scorned...

SARKY
12-04-2010, 12:36 PM
Yet but another reason I'm from New Jersey and not in New Jersey.

FROM is the key word here. And I am so glad I'm from Jersey. But then I am in California and it has the same stupid law as the Massholes do. If these morons we call politicians (from the Greek poli - meaning many and ticks - means blood sucking vermin) don't like the frame work of our country maybe they should find some turd world country and form it in their image!

Rick
12-04-2010, 01:45 PM
Wait! You moved from Mass to Cali? You're a masochist at heart aren't you?

crashdive123
12-04-2010, 02:51 PM
He's just trying to ween himself off of it slowly. Going cold turkey is difficult for some folks.

kyratshooter
12-04-2010, 09:16 PM
If these morons we call politicians (from the Greek poli - meaning many and ticks - means blood sucking vermin) don't like the frame work of our country maybe they should find some turd world country and form it in their image!

Sorry Sarky, POLIS is the greek term for city, city state or citizenship.

As far as taking a third world nation and shaping it to our image, we already did that. It was called the United States. The organizing document still exists but is being ignored at present.

Gilmore
12-06-2010, 10:10 PM
Haha i love IN for a reason, you can conceal a handgun and carry it into a bank if you have a license. A friend of my dad's even owns many automatic rifles. If you get caught doing anything "illegal" while deer hunting, you say "i'm coyote hunting" and you get off without a hitch. Gotta love hoosier gun laws!

oldsoldier
12-07-2010, 09:50 AM
Even if he is pardoned, he still has that 'conviction'. Makes you ineligible for a license, doesn't it?

I'm not sure but if he's pardoned or has his conviction over turned his rights should be restored. But I'm not sure.

crimescene450
12-08-2010, 03:56 AM
At some point in the future I am moving out of California.

At some point in the future I am also going to buy my first gun (currently 18)

Guess which im doing first.

Rick
12-08-2010, 09:00 AM
Turn 19. Just guessing.

imua-06
12-19-2010, 06:02 AM
I feel for the guy in NJ, but I read that he had moved to the area almost 6 months before getting arrested with the guns in his car. I think this is the technicality that is making the case stick. It's hard to convince a judge that you couldn't find the time to take your guns from the car to the house in 6 months.

Hawaii has the same law here about carrying guns around, but it is only a misdemeanor.

SARKY
12-19-2010, 06:11 PM
Sorry Sarky, POLIS is the greek term for city, city state or citizenship.

As far as taking a third world nation and shaping it to our image, we already did that. It was called the United States. The organizing document still exists but is being ignored at present.

I really didn't know that you lacked a sense of humor and or wit.

And you totally missed the point on the second part of my post.
We are a first world nation (though for how long is still up for grabs). These progressives need to find a Third world nation (TODAY) and change it into their utopia and quit screwing up this nation.

2dumb2kwit
12-21-2010, 06:33 PM
Good News!!!



N.J. Governor Chris Christie Commutes Gun Owner’s Prison Sentence
NRA Hails Decision, Calls for Real Reform

Fairfax, Va. –The National Rifle Association praised New Jersey Governor Chris Christie for commuting the prison sentence of Brian Aitken—a gun owner who was arrested, convicted and imprisoned for illegal possession of firearms, even though he had made every effort to comply with New Jersey’s restrictive and confusing laws. The NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund supported Mr. Aitken’s case.

“On behalf of the 4 million members of the National Rifle Association of America, I would like to thank Governor Christie for freeing Brian Aitken in time to spend the holiday with his family,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action.

Pal334
12-21-2010, 08:16 PM
Ya beat to this one . Governor Chris Christie is about the best thing that has happened to this state in a long while. A no BS kind of guy that hits the elected bone heads straight on. One in the plus column for the good guys

crashdive123
12-21-2010, 08:23 PM
I love me some Chris Christie - especially the way is is going after special interest groups and the teachers union.

2dumb2kwit
12-21-2010, 08:25 PM
Ya beat to this one . Governor Chris Christie is about the best thing that has happened to this state in a long while. A no BS kind of guy that hits the elected bone heads straight on. One in the plus column for the good guys

I like the way he thinks.....and so do many others. I've already heard his name mentioned, for 2012. If I remember right, he said that he wasn't ready for that, but some people think he is.

2dumb2kwit
12-21-2010, 08:27 PM
I love me some Chris Christie - especially the way is is going after special interest groups and the teachers union.

Dang it, crash....even one handed you out typed me! LOL:blush:

crashdive123
12-21-2010, 08:28 PM
Being from NJ (left in '75) it's going to take him past 2012 to finish the job. I wish him well and hold out hope for the state I grew up in.

Rick
12-21-2010, 08:29 PM
Chris Christie = a Breath of Fresh air not a lot of hot air.

crashdive123
12-21-2010, 08:34 PM
Dang it, crash....even one handed you out typed me! LOL:blush:

Yeah, but when my left hand gets to typing fast there's no telling what it will say.

I miss NativeDude.

See what I mean!!!!!!!!!!!

Pal334
12-21-2010, 08:51 PM
If you want to listen to him, he is online now at 101.5 radio http://www.nj1015.com/

Rick
12-21-2010, 10:58 PM
I saw that he was going to be featured on 60 Minutes so I made sure to want it Sunday night. He was really good. He's a good speaker. Sort of the common man approach and real down to earth. I don't know that he is that's just how he comes across to me.

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/state/gov-christie-takes-it-to-public-employees-on-60-minutes

Here's a list of the 11 states most likely to default on their municipal bonds. NJ is one of them.

http://www.businessinsider.com/states-need-bailout-2010-10#11-pennsylvania-1

BENESSE
12-21-2010, 11:14 PM
I like Chiris Christie--don't disagree with anything he says.
Hope he is a viable candidate in 2012, for whatever.

imua-06
12-22-2010, 05:22 AM
Christie did great and that is about all he can do, but the guy still has the felony convictions; just no jail time, so this is great news for him, but the situation is still not good.

crashdive123
12-22-2010, 07:34 AM
You can see several of his addresses on youtube. I won't link to them since they are of a political nature, but IMO they are more about common sense than politics - some may disagree.

Pal334
12-22-2010, 07:51 AM
I saw that he was going to be featured on 60 Minutes so I made sure to want it Sunday night. He was really good. He's a good speaker. Sort of the common man approach and real down to earth. I don't know that he is that's just how he comes across to me.

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/state/gov-christie-takes-it-to-public-employees-on-60-minutes

Here's a list of the 11 states most likely to default on their municipal bonds. NJ is one of them.

http://www.businessinsider.com/states-need-bailout-2010-10#11-pennsylvania-1


And financial advisors still advise that I invest in them. Another reason I have dumped them Sheesh, I am a good example, does not take a brain surgeon to realize that you don't dump money down a sewer

Rick
12-22-2010, 09:02 AM
Actually, they are still a money saving device. They are interest free from federal tax and in many cases state tax, too. While their yield is lower than Treasuries the fact they are interest free makes them a better deal and gives them a higher after tax yield. And you can expect bond yields to rise as state ratings are pushed down. That part is not a plus to me, I'm just saying it will no doubt happen. Plus, there some munis that are not in jeopardy. You just need to be very selective in what you invest in for the very short term.

The real threat for munis will probably occur this spring when the stimulus package ends. If the Feds don't do another round of give aways, and frankly I don't know how they can, then state, county and local governments will likely begin to default in the second half of 2011.

Pal334
12-22-2010, 11:34 AM
Rick, I do agree with the concept and did participate for along time. I just will not put my hard earned money into something that is almost certain to default. Then you get in line and take whatever they offer to close out (or nothing). I am currently in a principle preservation mode until I see where things are heading. This has kept me in the plus 3-5% range while my friends that have been following the advise of "professionals" are in the minus 5 to as much as 45% range. This over the last 3 years.

Rick
12-22-2010, 12:00 PM
No problem and I certainly wasn't trying to persuade you into investing in them. Just stating some information. And notice I said, "in the very short term".

Ole WV Coot
12-22-2010, 07:19 PM
Christie sounds good so he won't go far, political machine will see to that. I am a firm believer that folks will continue to smoke and drink so Rick forget the bonds and buy MO. Just check the dividend and what I paid for it a couple of years ago. Wouldn't bet the whole farm but I could name a dozen safer stocks paying better dividends.

Brazito
12-23-2010, 09:20 AM
No CCW in Illinois, now that's crazy.

Rick
12-23-2010, 11:38 AM
And no reciprocal agreement with us kind hearted, law abiding Indiana folks. Every time I go back home to Illionois I have to stop in Terre Haute, unload and lock up. I feel so naked.

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