WikiLeaks Articles

[Rick]

Jefferson once said that he'd rather live with newspapers and no country than with a country that had no newspapers. So I'm wondering how you perceive the latest revelations with the release of classified cables. For those of you that chagrin American news organizations this should reaffirm your faith in them since a good number are reporting what was released whether it be right or wrong.

So what say you?

[Justin Case]

Its a good reminder that the Government lies all the time to the people,, If the Government has nothing to hide, This shouldn't bother them,

[Rick]

Interesting take on it. A devil's advocate question. If you were serving on the front line in Afghanistan would it be okay to release it if the cable named you specifically and the address of your family?

"Sgt. Case inflicted significant damage upon the enemy with disregard for his own safety. Col. Whathisname has requested a presidential letter be sent to his family at xxxx Anystreet, Anytown USA 11000."

[Justin Case]

Interesting take on it. A devil's advocate question. If you were serving on the front line in Afghanistan would it be okay to release it if the cable named you specifically and the address of your family?

"Sgt. Case inflicted significant damage upon the enemy with disregard for his own safety. Col. Whathisname has requested a presidential letter be sent to his family at xxxx Anystreet, Anytown USA 11000."


Is that the case ? I have not read any of the documents,, Is that stuff in there ?
Hmmm,,, well, yes, that is Bad,,, But how or who would/should edit this kind of stuff ? (if the second poll option is chosen)

[Justin Case]

BTW,, you can find it all here http://wikileaks.org/

[Pal334]

These documents are almost real time, in that they contain information about OUR current combatants. These are folks that have been there, are currently there, or will soon be returning there. Frankly most of what has been released (I have admittedly not read all of it) is of no interest since it is diplomatic chit chat. However, when a military member is identified by name for military accomplishment (s) (whacking a bad guy (s) ) we do not need to have his / her name spread through out the world, making that person and family a potential target. I personally hope that the source of these leaks is found and dealt with in the most stringent means available. Any one who has a basic knowledge of the classification of information will know that personal identification is a reasonable and justified reason to classify or restrict access to information. If anyone thinks that this means that the government is lying to you, then so be it, deal with it, the life of one service member is worth more than any of our hurt feelings.

[BENESSE]

I see no benefit whatsoever in releasing this info to the public at large.

[2dumb2kwit]

This one makes my head hurt. To me, this is not an all or nothing thing. Yes, I want any polititian that is doing shady stuff, to be exposed.....but at the same time we have to keep secrets. The problem is deciding where the line gets drawn.....and who draws it.

It's kind of like socialism. I want poor children to be cared for. I want police departments, and fire departments. I want interstate highways, and bridges. These are all, to some extent, socialist things, but most of you know that I'm far from a socialist.

It's also like air temp. Some yell for cold, and some yell for hot, but really what we want is in between. We don't want it to be 20 below, or 120 above. The true difference between some of us, is I may like 65 and someone else may like 72. Then we start arguing about the temp, and I act like they want the 120, and they act like I want the 20 below.

Ummm....sorry.....I started rambling. LOL:oops:

[BENESSE]

You runnin' a fever 2D, or is it male menopause?

[Pal334]

2D,, I can sympathize , however, I only look at it one way, Protect the Troops!!! And "eff" the others. We are all big boys and girls here, we can not have our cake and eat it to.

[bulrush]

I thought we were talking about the most recent leak, which was leaking secured emails (which were hacked) from US embassies all over the world. The emails said things like "Prime Minister xxx likes to Conga dance and big-busted blondes" and "xyz is very averse to change."

Isn't that the topic of the current Wikileak leak?

Anyway, some people will be very offended that they are called "very averse to change" and this will result in no small amount of friction between the subject and the US gov't. And so I think the leaks are unnecessary. They are not constructive and only serve to damage relations between the US and other countries.

That was what I heard at 7am this morning anyway.

[crashdive123]

I have held security clearances that most of you have never heard of. Sensitive materials are classified at various levels for a reason. Compromising that information (not all of course) can and will cause grave harm to this country and many of our allies. People will lose their lives because of Julian Assange and those that have provided him with the information that he is publishing. He should, IMO be found, arrested and put on trial for espionage. If freaking bloggers can find him to do interviews, I'm sure that Federal authorities can as well.

[roar-k]

If the releasing of said documents would bring about harm to those that defend this country then no they shouldn't be released. Even if there is a smidgen of a chance that it could somehow cause harm them or their family, then no it shouldn't even be considered.

Also, 95-98% of the population couldn't fathom or handle the truths our government could reveal about the missions they have sanctioned and the reasoning behind them.

[Rick]

My personal opinion is some things should remain "need to know". I want my government to be able to conduct it's business in secret when releasing information jeopardizes operations, information and/or personnel. To me, it should be pretty easy for an editor to make that determination based on the information. Blacking out names and places is not a real answer to the question either, IMO. Those enemy combatants involved may gain valuable information just by knowing which operation the memo is about.

It would be a pretty sad world if the evening news said, "Special forces will conduct a raid on a safe house tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. local time in Karachi. The military has told us they think the house located at 234234 Anybomber Lane is being used by Omygosh Itsadud for planning operations."

[bulrush]

Here's an interesting snippet I found. This is from 1979 regarding Iran negotiations to release the US prisoners there. (This was in all uppercase. I fixed it.)


3. Perhaps the single dominant aspect of the Persian psyche is an overriding egoism. Its antecedents lie in the long Iranian history of instability and insecurity which put a premium on self-preservation. The practical effect of it is an almost total Persian preoccupation with self and leaves little room for understanding points of view other than one's own. Thus, for example, it is incomprehensible to an Iranian that U.S. immigration law may prohibit issuing him a tourist visa when he has determined that he wants to live in California. Similarly, the Iranian central bank sees no inconsistency in claiming force majeure to avoid penalties for late payment of interest due on outstanding loans while the government of which it is a part is denying the vailidity of the very grounds upon which the claim is made when confronted by similar claims from foreign firms forced
to cease operations during the Iranian revolution.


Now, if that doesn't piss off the Iranians I don't know what will. The thing about this is, when you have a self-centered person with a big ego, and you say they are wrong, they get very very angry, because, in general, they do not have the capacity to admit they are wrong.

Now I understand why my ex is the way she is.

[Rick]

I sort of see Kim Jong-un throwing a tantrum because the West doesn't like him.

"Daddy! Daddy! Did you read these cables?"

[roar-k]

I believe there was a scene in Blackhawk down where the one captured soldier is in a room with a leader of the group that captured him and he is sitting there watching American news stations to get information.

[bulrush]

Some of the military info that goes out on US news stations concerns me.

[2dumb2kwit]

These documents are almost real time, in that they contain information about OUR current combatants. These are folks that have been there, are currently there, or will soon be returning there. Frankly most of what has been released (I have admittedly not read all of it) is of no interest since it is diplomatic chit chat. However, when a military member is identified by name for military accomplishment (s) (whacking a bad guy (s) ) we do not need to have his / her name spread through out the world, making that person and family a potential target. I personally hope that the source of these leaks is found and dealt with in the most stringent means available. Any one who has a basic knowledge of the classification of information will know that personal identification is a reasonable and justified reason to classify or restrict access to information. If anyone thinks that this means that the government is lying to you, then so be it, deal with it, the life of one service member is worth more than any of our hurt feelings.

I hope I didn't come across as being OK with anything that will hurt our troops. That is not the case. In fact, I've been thinking about this, and realized that I was missing the obvious. We already have laws to address this. Isn't releasing info that could/will endanger our country, or our troops treason, or espionage, depending on who did it???

[Justin Case]

The news is saying that its mostly Embarrassing stuff,, I think Facebook is more of a danger to our Troops as it can easily be seen exactly where they are blogging from,,

But , to be clear, i am only going by CNN,, I havent looked at any of this stuff,

[2dumb2kwit]

I have held security clearances that most of you have never heard of. Sensitive materials are classified at various levels for a reason. Compromising that information (not all of course) can and will cause grave harm to this country and many of our allies. People will lose their lives because of Julian Assange and those that have provided him with the information that he is publishing. He should, IMO be found, arrested and put on trial for espionage. If freaking bloggers can find him to do interviews, I'm sure that Federal authorities can as well.

So, do you know if we really have "crashed" (pardon the expression.) spaceships from other worlds?:whistling:

[Pal334]

I did not think you were "ok with it" 2D, hope I did not seem that way. I have and still to a certain extent "work in this arena". MY main objection is danger to the troops ANDthe fact that some idiot without authority and no concern for the troops and of course National Security took it on themselves to be the "Bright Star" that brought this out to the world. That person (s) have violated a trust that thier nation has put in them to protect this type information. They are no better than Traitors and in time of War there only one penalty that is befitting them.

[Rick]

Pfc. Manning is going to find out what happens when you do things like that. He's currently charged with violating 12 specifications under two separate articles. Bon voyage Mr. Manning. Let us know how the stockade is.

[Pal334]

Pfc. Manning is going to find out what happens when you do things like that. He's currently charged with violating 12 specifications under two separate articles. Bon voyage Mr. Manning. Let us know how the stockade is.

Although it is a long shot, hopefully they will charge him with treason. Then he can rot in a very warm place.

[Rick]

military trials are a lot different than civilian ones. You don't have to worry about a bleeding heart skewing the jury in a military trial. Still, proving treason is probably a hard row to hoe. Maybe 12 charges will be easier to prove than 1. Same place just a cooler seat.

[Pal334]

military trials are a lot different than civilian ones. You don't have to worry about a bleeding heart skewing the jury in a military trial. Still, proving treason is probably a hard row to hoe. Maybe 12 charges will be easier to prove than 1. Same place just a cooler seat.

I am an optimist, the hot seat is much more theraputic for society at large :)

[crashdive123]

I'm not buying into the stories that the Pfc was the source for all of this info. While he may have had access to some of it, the wide variety of the types of info had to have come from multiple sources. That being said - if he is guilty, I hope they fry his butt. Just like Walker cost a lot of lives, this fool either has, or will have the blood of people (not just Americans) on his hands.

[Justin Case]

I'm not buying into the stories that the Pfc was the source for all of this info. While he may have had access to some of it, the wide variety of the types of info had to have come from multiple sources. That being said - if he is guilty, I hope they fry his butt. Just like Walker cost a lot of lives, this fool either has, or will have the blood of people (not just Americans) on his hands.

I "think", he was a computer specialist, and I "Think" he hacked into places he did not have clearance for,, Not positive, But thats how I understood it,,

[crashdive123]

That could be the case.

[Pal334]

The PFC was an Intel Analyst. As a normal part of his duties he had access to the "Intel" net. Pre 9/11 it was compartmented. Post 9/11 the "net" has been opened up a bit to folks with appropriate access. In his position, he had real time access to current intel. He had "modified" a CD player (formerly the only type of music player legally usable in those spaces)) to be a CD writer. As an avid listener to music he would routinely "jam" to music while on duty. He was able to "surf" the classified network and take whatever he had access to. It is virtually impossible to stop a "Trusted Person" if he / she decides toviolate the trust put into them.

[Pal334]

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/leak/

This is an older article about Manning, but if you read it through, it describes how he got the info out and what access' he had. I would suggest that you read it if you want to get a good "flavor" of how deliberate he was in violating the law, this was not a onetime "fling" for him

[crashdive123]

Thanks for the link. After going to "school" on John Walker - no punishment for this punk can be too severe.

Any bets on what happens to Assange? Who'll get him first? Interpol on his rape charges - US on espionage - some PO'd GI?

[Pal334]

Thanks for the link. After going to "school" on John Walker - no punishment for this punk can be too severe.

Any bets on what happens to Assange? Who'll get him first? Interpol on his rape charges - US on espionage - some PO'd GI?

I would guess that his servers will "meltdown" as soon as it is known how many and where they are. :innocent: No huge rush right now , would be more important to be thorough. As for the puke himself, I am certain he will someday, not to far down the road, just no longer be an "issue"

[Batch]

On the video that pfc Manning leaked, did they not find any weapons? I swear I can see to AKs in that video. I see where the cameras were mistaken. But, I swear I can see two unslung AKs.

I see many very good reasons why we need secrets. I also know that many unscrupulous scumbags use secrecy to further their own agenda. Its a double edged sword to me. You need that sword to fight the good fight. But, when used improperly it wounds us just as easily.

[Justin Case]

On the video that pfc Manning leaked, did they not find any weapons? I swear I can see to AKs in that video. I see where the cameras were mistaken. But, I swear I can see two unslung AKs.

I see many very good reasons why we need secrets. I also know that many unscrupulous scumbags use secrecy to further their own agenda. Its a double edged sword to me. You need that sword to fight the good fight. But, when used improperly it wounds us just as easily.

This one ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

Yes, there were weapons, but, it was overkill ,,,

[Batch]

Justin, do you have a link that says they found weapons on or near the bodies?

There were armed fighters in the area. If the soldiers in that helicopter followed the rules of engagement I would be pretty pissed if they got throw under the buss on this one.

[rwc1969]

Rick, that sounds like something Franklin would've said.

But, I'm all for free speech, but am putting more trust in my govt than my nat'l media and it's getting hard to tell which is which.

[Justin Case]

Justin, do you have a link that says they found weapons on or near the bodies?

There were armed fighters in the area. If the soldiers in that helicopter followed the rules of engagement I would be pretty pissed if they got throw under the buss on this one.

No,, but in the Video, It sure looks like some of those guys were armed,, That RPG is clearly visible,,

Hmm,, wait a min,,, Here, this may Interest you http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/collateral-murder-baghdad-anything

[Justin Case]

U.S. looks for way to prosecute over leaks
Clinton says WikiLeaks acted illegally; soldier in earlier leak already charged


WASHINGTON — Striking back, the Obama administration branded the WikiLeaks release of more than a quarter-million sensitive files an attack on the United States Monday

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40423870/

[Pal334]

I would guess that his servers will "meltdown" as soon as it is known how many and where they are. :innocent: No huge rush right now , would be more important to be thorough. As for the puke himself, I am certain he will someday, not to far down the road, just no longer be an "issue"

Although it was not a meltdown, the news reported that he suffered a "denial of service" attack today. "Unfortunately" the source of the attack was not identified. Such a shame, now the puke will have to spend more time and money defending his servers and sites :banana:

[Pal334]

Here is one article; http://slashdot.org/story/10/11/30/1459214/DDoS-Attack-On-Wikileaks-Increasing

Posted by CmdrTaco on Tuesday November 30, @10:08AM
from the that's-a-lot-of-bits dept.
crime security themedia usa it tetrahedrassface writes
"According to the Twitter feed for Wikileaks, the attack on the controversial site is increasing and is now at 10 Gigabits per second. In light of the recent release of highly sensitive documents and calls by many lawmakers around the world to swiftly find, extradite, and try suspected rapist Julius Assange for breaches of national security, one nation, Ecuador, has offered asylum."

[Pal334]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/16/army_wikileaks/

US Army considered attack on Wikileaks
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By Chris Williams • Get more from this author

Posted in Government, 16th March 2010 12:08 GMT

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It is claimed that leaked documents show the US Army felt sufficiently threatened by security breaches on Wikileaks that it considered ways it might wreck the site.

A 2008 report by the Army Counterintelligence Center, classified Secret, calls for a mole hunt and prosecutions to undermine potential sources' trust in Wikileaks.

"Wikileaks.org uses trust as a center of gravity by assuring insiders, leakers, and whistleblowers who pass information to Wikileaks.org personnel or who post information to the Web site that they will remain anonymous," the report said.

"The identification, exposure, or termination of employment of or legal actions against current or former insiders, leakers, or whistleblowers could damage or destroy this center of gravity and deter others from using Wikileaks.org to make such information public."

None of the site's sources have yet been publicly exposed, however. The site aims to guarantee their anonymity, and the counterintelligence assessment notes a "high level of sophistication in [staff's] efforts to provide a secure operating environment for whistleblowers".

The report is available in full, here (pdf), at Wikileaks.

The investigation appears to have been prompted by US Army leaks in 2007. Documents posted to Wikileaks included embarrassing internal reports on operations in Iraq, and equipment lists for Afganistan and Iraq. One report obtained by Wikileaks, on the 2004 US offensive on Fallujah, received particular attention from counterintelligence analysts.

"The leaked report could also provide foreign governments, terrorists, and insurgents with insight into successful asymmetric warfare tactics, techniques, and procedures that could be used when engaging US or Coalition forces," they wrote.

Military and intelligence authorities' interest in Wikileaks - and their apparent belief that exposing moles will undermine it - is unsurprising. There have been several failed official attempts to take documents down through the courts.

The timing of the release of the report coincides with Wikileaks' fundraising drive. The full site has been offline for several months as it aims to raise $600,000 in donations.

In a section on unanswered questions about Wikileaks, the Army Counterintelligence Center asks: "Will foreign organizations such as FISS, foreign military services, foreign insurgents, or terrorist groups provide funding or material support to Wikileaks.org?"

[Rick]

I have no idea if Mr. Assange is guilty of the charge or not. But wouldn't that be the perfect charge to completely discredit someone? Governments have been know to do stuff like that.

[Pal334]

As long as Mr. Assange is completely destroyed, and discredited. I have no concern about the legalities. Since he is pending espionage type charges in several countries, including his home (Australia), and he readily admits in interviews that he is doing this to be "combative", there probably is no doubt as to his guilty. I would say to continue the cyber attacks, burn his resources and when he is broke (financially) snatch him up and prosecute .

Other than that, I am sure his mama probably loves him :)

[crashdive123]

I don't know that he's going to run out of resources any time soon. Seems he may be getting funding from the Tides Foundation and George Soros.

[Pal334]

I don't know that he's going to run out of resources any time soon. Seems he may be getting funding from the Tides Foundation and George Soros.

All the better, bleeding them slowly like a leech is exquisite pain :death:

[Winter]

Rick, Jefferson said this about newspapers as well.

"Advertisements... contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper." --Thomas Jefferson to Nathaniel Macon, 1819. ME 15:179

"Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day." --Thomas Jefferson to John Norvell, 1807. ME 11:224


http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1600.htm

Careful how you use quotes.

My opinion on the matter is that wiki had no right or obligation to print what they stole and that the governments security on their correspondence is deplorable.

[Ole WV Coot]

I had security clearances that allowed me to go where my boss couldn't. I still worked on things that only had an X as to termination. I do believe anything classified that is released by anyone is not only un-patriotic but just plain treason and should be treated as an enemy combatant subject to military law.

[Justin Case]

I wonder if and how the "Freedom of Information Act" could relate to all this ???

[crashdive123]

I wonder if and how the "Freedom of Information Act" could relate to all this ???

It's doubtful that the FOIA pertains. Under the FOIA you cannot get....

•classified information that would damage national security
•internal information involving personnel rules and agency practices
•material specifically shielded from disclosure by another law
•confidential commercial or financial data, like trade secrets
•records that would be privileged in litigation
•information that would invade someone's privacy
•law enforcement records
•information related to government regulation of financial institutions
•certain geological/geographical data

[Justin Case]

It's doubtful that the FOIA pertains. Under the FOIA you cannot get....

•classified information that would damage national security
•internal information involving personnel rules and agency practices
•material specifically shielded from disclosure by another law
•confidential commercial or financial data, like trade secrets
•records that would be privileged in litigation
•information that would invade someone's privacy
•law enforcement records
•information related to government regulation of financial institutions
•certain geological/geographical data

sheesh,,, What Can you get ? lol (thanks) :)

[Rick]

I think diplomatic cables are excluded. If not, I'm sure all you'd get is a page of black outs.

Winter, just so you're clear on this I'm not in favor of what happened. I do believe if a newspaper receives through whatever channel supporting documentation that a crime has been committed then they have an obligation to print. There are numerous examples through history but some of the more recent.

Nixon
Agnew
Steven
Rangle
Delay

to name a few. So there is a valuable tool at our disposal but it must certainly be weighed objectively to each case.

To all, a little what if.

I happened to like Nixon but what he did was wrong. If you were the editor of the Washington Post would you have authorized Woodward and Bernstein to continue their investigation? They were, after all, exposing the top levels of the U.S.

Some, obviously, are no brains. Such as these cables. Really no reason to publish them. Just some candid chatter between diplomats.

But what about the leaking of the chopper video in which civilians were killed and the government claimed they were combatants? Would you have authorized that? At least two that were killed was a reporter and a cameraman.

I can't broadbrush everything and say it should all be one way or the other. I think each should be weighed on its merits. IMO.

[BENESSE]

The decision to publish or not, should be on case by case basis, the benefit weighed against damage.
The benefit to outing the cables was miniscule to none, whereas bringing the chopper incident to light was huge.

We have to keep it honest all around.

[Justin Case]

Interpol Puts WikiLeaks' Founder On Its Most Wanted List


Read more: http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7020683426?Interpol%20Puts%20WikiLeaks%27%20Founde r%20On%20Its%20Most%20Wanted%20List#ixzz16rmR3HuS

[BENESSE]

Here's why, straight from the article:


"Stockholm, Sweden (AHN) - Sweden has issued a fresh international arrest warrant against WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange, prompting the global police agency, Interpol, to put him on its ‘Most Wanted List’.
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/images/cp.gif Interpol’s spokeswoman said that Sweden issued a public 'Red Notice' not for espionage but for an investigation on controversial sex crimes."

[crashdive123]

With the chopper video - without the edited type-overs that circled and labled the camera, etc. - if all you were doing was watching the vid (remember they were doing it real time in a hot war zone) and listening to the commentary by those on the scene - with them saying they saw weapons - would you have believed there were weapons? Sure looked like a few were carrying weapons to me. The one kneeling sure looked like he had an RPG to me. The rules of engagement were clear - carry a weapon and we will kill you - period. Knowing that, if the journalists are going to cover a story that involves traveling with armed locals, they are the ones that are placing themselves in harms way. If those carrying weapons are going to have children around them, then they are the ones responsible for what happens to the children.

[BENESSE]

All very good points, Crash.

[Justin Case]

Related http://collateralmurder.com/en/index.html

[Pal334]

The decision to publish or not, should be on case by case basis, the benefit weighed against damage.
The benefit to outing the cables was miniscule to none, whereas bringing the chopper incident to light was huge.

We have to keep it honest all around.

I will concede that point, perhaps some should be disclosed, however it does not alter the fact that this idiot is neither qualified, nor empowered to be that person. He says it is for a noble cause that he is disclosing them, but I am confident that it is to stroke his ego.

Our biggest concern should be the people that leaked the information to him that have violated the trust that was given them to protect the information

[Justin Case]

Remember,, Assange is not the only one releasing this info,, many of the people (newspapers) he sent it to are as well,,

[Pal334]

Remember,, Assange is not the only one releasing this info,, many of the people (newspapers) he sent it to are as well,,

And so are we by reading them and discussing them.

[Justin Case]

And so are we by reading them and discussing them.

yeah, pretty much,,,,

[BENESSE]

Reading and discussing is good. As long as one has an opinion, it ought to be based on real & balanced info, not just pulled out of our...ah...thin air. This is a big enough issue and it ought to be resolved one way or another. At that won't happen if we sweep it under the rug.
JMO.

[Rick]

Crash - I don't fault those involved in the attack. Given the circumstances at the time I'm certain they felt they were dealing with armed combatants. Very few intentionally kill innocent civilians. I'd guess they probably felt bad about it when they learned what happened. The rub occurs when the government says they were all combatants and denies they are journalists and little kids. Then you have a breach of public trust.

I'd much rather them say, "we screwed up". It's war, it happens. Just call it what it is. The same stupid thing happened with Tillman. He went down because of friendly fire then they tried to cover it up.

[crashdive123]

Crash - I don't fault those involved in the attack. Given the circumstances at the time I'm certain they felt they were dealing with armed combatants. Very few intentionally kill innocent civilians. I'd guess they probably felt bad about it when they learned what happened. The rub occurs when the government says they were all combatants and denies they are journalists and little kids. Then you have a breach of public trust.

I'd much rather them say, "we screwed up". It's war, it happens. Just call it what it is. The same stupid thing happened with Tillman. He went down because of friendly fire then they tried to cover it up.

I can't disagree with that at all.

[Pal334]

This will throw a little kerosene on the fire

Guidance from the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense, (Networks and Information Integration)/Department of Defense Chief Information Officer:

Department of Defense military, civilian and contractor personnel
should not access the WikiLeaks website to view or download the
publicized classified information. Doing so could introduce potentially
classified information on unclassified networks. There has been rumor
that the information is no longer classified since it resides in the
public domain. This is NOT true. The subject information was not
"declassified" by an appropriate authority and requires continued
classification or reclassification.

[Rick]

Huh?????? But if it's on the net.....I mean.....don't they.....oh never mind.

[BENESSE]

Just when you think it can't get any dumber...
There's a price for being stupid & DOD will pay it in spades. Sit back and watch.

[kyratshooter]

Just when you think it can't get any dumber...
There's a price for being stupid & DOD will pay it in spades. Sit back and watch.

The real problem is that people feel they should no longer be punished for stupidity. They can be stupid as long as they put a security clearance on it to CYA.

Has no one learned anything since 1968? Remember Nixon and his "personal recordings" confiscated and used against him. I believe that one of my cornfield cousins made the statement back then "That's what he gets for recording!".

Still, people put things down on paper, record them on tape and rearrange electrons to save their every move. They they pay an off site company to save a copy of everything they do in case they crash!

The level of stupidity of "those in charge" who think they are exemp from prying because of their status is what I am looking at. Of course they say things they never expected US to hear or know, that happened during the first clan power play around the campfire in 2,000,000 bc. The fact that they are stupid enough to record them exempts them from having enough sense to hold office in my view.

When I was in the army I had security clearance too. Even in the middle of a war I only saw one top secret or secret item I though the enemy might not already know existed. Way too much stuff has security coverage that does not need it, just so the speaker can feel his/her butt is covered.

In Hillary's case that is a major operation which would require both national security people and lyposuction.

:oops:

[Old GI]

KRS: You're a sick man!!! lyposuction:clap:

[Pal334]

It even gets better than this, perhaps sometime soon I can share it :)

[Justin Case]

calls for assnage assassination
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiSt_ZsXa9k

[Trabitha]

My opinion...that MAY be wrong because I honestly have had very little time looking into this one.

BUT...my opinion...
Now, I was under the impression that someone from the administration stole the information and sold it to this wikileaks douche. If that's the case, the US has no case...right? Now...if that is what happened, we have laws in place to PROTECT the media in that regard and the only person that would be up for any kind of lawsuit would be the person that stole it in the first place. The only thing this guy is guilty of is having a VERY bad sense of right and wrong and being a douche. We have a lot of those in this country so our courtrooms would be amazingly crowded if we sued everyone that behaved that way.

So please, correct me if I am wrong...it was someone in the administration that stole the files and sold them to Wikileaks? Did they weed out that person, and if they did not, why aren't they working on THAT issue instead of going after someone that the law protects?

[Justin Case]

I dont think it was sold,, ? the guy tah stole it is in jail.

[Rick]

I don't think they've caught this person....yet. At least I haven't seen it.

Trabitha, Assange can be just as guilty as the person that turned the documents over. Let's assume, for a moment, that someone steels classified submarine or aircraft information and turns it over to him. A crime has been committed. If he then prints the information he becomes an accomplice to that crime. I'm certainly no lawyer but that's the way I understand it. So it's possible he could be tried as an accessory to whatever crime the thief committed. The wood treason comes to mind for some reason.

[Trabitha]

I don't think they've caught this person....yet. At least I haven't seen it.

Trabitha, Assange can be just as guilty as the person that turned the documents over. Let's assume, for a moment, that someone steels classified submarine or aircraft information and turns it over to him. A crime has been committed. If he then prints the information he becomes an accomplice to that crime. I'm certainly no lawyer but that's the way I understand it. So it's possible he could be tried as an accessory to whatever crime the thief committed. The wood treason comes to mind for some reason.

I see your point, but I can't help but think that I heard something that protects the media in this regard. So as not to punish the media for reporting findings and incriminating powerful people, there are laws to protect them, if they are only reporting and can not be linked to the actual theft of the documents.

I understand it to be in place so as to keep the media from being manipulated. I'll have to do some more footwork on this, I guess. I swear I saw something that showed that there was really nothing that could be done, short of changing the laws...and I'm not sure I want THAT to happen. The last thing we want to do is censor our media outlets...

[Rick]

You may be right.

[Justin Case]

I don't think they've caught this person....yet. At least I haven't seen it.

Trabitha, Assange can be just as guilty as the person that turned the documents over. Let's assume, for a moment, that someone steels classified submarine or aircraft information and turns it over to him. A crime has been committed. If he then prints the information he becomes an accomplice to that crime. I'm certainly no lawyer but that's the way I understand it. So it's possible he could be tried as an accessory to whatever crime the thief committed. The wood treason comes to mind for some reason.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/leak/

[Chris]

I'm nationalistic. Go USA. We need secrets to engaged our national security strategy, and I'm down with that.

Fact is, distributing classified information is a crime. Furthermore I find his actions to be aiding our enemy. The friend of our enemy is our enemy. This guy is not a journalist like he pretends to be, he is a former hacker, he has been breaking the law all his life.

We should declare Wikileaks to be a terrorist organization. We should then freeze their assets and any assets of any company or organization that supports them. It is incredibly easy to shut down a website. All websites are hosted on web servers, at datacenters, that are provided with upstream by large multinational corporation.

If you freeze Verizon's bank accounts you can be pretty sure they will cut access to his site. (I don't know if Verizon is the upstream provider for his host or not, just saying)

You can make them do it voluntarily, as Amazon just did (they were providing data storage). But make it a law. If you can't fit him within current law, make new legislation to do it. Go after the money.

Sure, he'll still have the information, and maybe it could end up elsewhere on the Internet, but not on any site anyone can easily find. Hosting alone for that much data is a huge expensive. You won't find a company, anywhere, willing to provide services to wikileaks.com when the company, it's owners and officers, would be completely shut out of the banking system. Problem solved.

Assange should be prosecuted, as should the leaks.

Then of course, they need to change how they store this data. I mean twitter limits the number of requests you can make in an hour, but the pentagon lets some low level analyst request hundreds of thousands of things?

[Chris]

My opinion...that MAY be wrong because I honestly have had very little time looking into this one.

BUT...my opinion...
Now, I was under the impression that someone from the administration stole the information and sold it to this wikileaks douche. If that's the case, the US has no case...right? Now...if that is what happened, we have laws in place to PROTECT the media in that regard and the only person that would be up for any kind of lawsuit would be the person that stole it in the first place. The only thing this guy is guilty of is having a VERY bad sense of right and wrong and being a douche. We have a lot of those in this country so our courtrooms would be amazingly crowded if we sued everyone that behaved that way.

So please, correct me if I am wrong...it was someone in the administration that stole the files and sold them to Wikileaks? Did they weed out that person, and if they did not, why aren't they working on THAT issue instead of going after someone that the law protects?
An australian hacker is not a journalist. Furthermore, our laws are against disseminating classified data, not merely stealing it.

It is very similar to stolen TVs. If you take a stolen TV from someone you are guilty of receiving stolen property. IF you sell it you are guilty of selling stolen property. The guy who gave it to you is guilty of theft.

There is a specific and explicitly law against the distribution of classified data.

The guy they arrested is guilty of treason. Julian Assange is guilty of the distribution of classified information.

[Justin Case]

An australian hacker is not a journalist. Furthermore, our laws are against disseminating classified data, not merely stealing it.

It is very similar to stolen TVs. If you take a stolen TV from someone you are guilty of receiving stolen property. IF you sell it you are guilty of selling stolen property. The guy who gave it to you is guilty of theft.

There is a specific and explicitly law against the distribution of classified data.

The guy they arrested is guilty of treason. Julian Assange is guilty of the distribution of classified information.

so why hasn't the US charged him with anything ?

[crashdive123]

Julian Assange is not a US Citizen. He does not wear the uniform of another country. I say we classify him as an enemy combatant and put him in one of those places that he would love to blog and write about - give him a real boots in the field experience.

[Pal334]

An australian hacker is not a journalist. Furthermore, our laws are against disseminating classified data, not merely stealing it.

It is very similar to stolen TVs. If you take a stolen TV from someone you are guilty of receiving stolen property. IF you sell it you are guilty of selling stolen property. The guy who gave it to you is guilty of theft.

There is a specific and explicitly law against the distribution of classified data.

The guy they arrested is guilty of treason. Julian Assange is guilty of the distribution of classified information.


This person is also pending similar espionage type charges in his home country, Australia. If you want to be entertained watch an interview of this slug, he readily admits he knows the potential for damage by publishing this information. A slimmy weasel who should have stayed sitting at the flickering screen in his moms basement

[Rick]

Justin - The guy you linked to was arrested for releasing the chopper video I talked about earlier in this thread. I don't think they've found the source for this leak.....yet.

As to the upstream server. Amazon was his host. Until Sen. Lieberman called Amazon and asked why they were hosting him. Seems Amazon has millions invested in U.S. Government hosting, which Lieberman happens to be over. SNAP. Just like that Wikileaks was pulled. The sad news is an outfit in Sweden picked them up.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9199258/With_WikiLeaks_Amazon_shows_its_power_over_custome rs

[Justin Case]

Justin - The guy you linked to was arrested for releasing the chopper video I talked about earlier in this thread. I don't think they've found the source for this leak.....yet.

As to the upstream server. Amazon was his host. Until Sen. Lieberman called Amazon and asked why they were hosting him. Seems Amazon has millions invested in U.S. Government hosting, which Lieberman happens to be over. SNAP. Just like that Wikileaks was pulled. The sad news is an outfit in Sweden picked them up.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9199258/With_WikiLeaks_Amazon_shows_its_power_over_custome rs

I think its the same guy Rick,, he stole the video and all of this, Wikileaks has been sitting on this latest info,, and they probably have more. (if i understand it right)

[roar-k]

People will do anything for fame and fortune. Give them their 15 mins. and they do not care what happens to anyone else.

[Trabitha]

An australian hacker is not a journalist. Furthermore, our laws are against disseminating classified data, not merely stealing it.

It is very similar to stolen TVs. If you take a stolen TV from someone you are guilty of receiving stolen property. IF you sell it you are guilty of selling stolen property. The guy who gave it to you is guilty of theft.

There is a specific and explicitly law against the distribution of classified data.

The guy they arrested is guilty of treason. Julian Assange is guilty of the distribution of classified information.

I think we've already discussed that this man didn't "hack" the information, and that the man responsible for leaking it, is being punished...so I'm lost as to why it's being claimed that he stole it on his own.

I'm having a hard time understanding who he is. Media, hacker, blogger, guy with a computer, millionaire. I see a lot of people going off on tangents, but I don't see a lot of people fully understanding who this man represents.

Don't get me wrong. I think what he did was TERRIBLE...but where do we draw the line. I see a lot of talk about Socialism lately and the fear this country is feeling as we step closer and closer to it. When we allow the government to go after media outlets for reporting something that was leaked to them...what are we opening the door to? IF this isn't as black and white as some may be viewing it (and I don't think it is...), do we want the government to set president? Who will be their next target if they succeed with prosecuting a report? Just sayin.

[Pal334]

Actually there is not a precedent being sent. It has throughout history been illegal to willfully put a country at risk. True this slug did not steal the information (frankly he is not smart enough) however after being given the information (the thief, when identified should be prosecuted or worse) he has publicly acknowledged that it is sensitive to another countries national security and he is knowingly placing military people at risk by putting sensitive information into the public domain. The key being he is aware of the danger to others and is choosing to ignore it. It is a simple matter of right and wrong. Someone stole something, gave it to him. And he, knowing it is stolen is using it for his own purposes. He is not a member of the media, he is an oportunistic *****

[BENESSE]

Don't quite know if this raises to the level of "Lose Lips Sink Ships" but if you remember, During World War II the US government enacted a campaign to help keep the soldiers and sailors safe. They printed up lots of posters in the theme of "Loose Lips May Sink Ships" as part of the US Office of War Information's attempt to limit the possibility of people inadvertently giving useful information to enemy spies. They wanted service men and their families to be aware of what they wrote in letters and what they talked about among their friends. Someone with ill intent might be reading or listening and information spilled indiscriminately might bring down a ship or get people killed.
How that applied to the media back then, I'm just not sure. I am certain though, that there was more discretion and restraint exercised, unlike today where common sense is no longer common.

[Chris]

Julian Assange is not a US Citizen. He does not wear the uniform of another country. I say we classify him as an enemy combatant and put him in one of those places that he would love to blog and write about - give him a real boots in the field experience.
Exactly. He is purposefully trying to derail our foreign policy and our ability to conduct military operations.

If a state entity did this it would be an act of war. But an individual did it so its okay?

We have learned that sometimes people who hold guns and would wage war against us aren't always part of a nation. Do we still need to learn that there can informational terrorists too?

If the current legislation will not fit his case, make new legislation to fit. Shut down his site, we can do this. We can very easily go after the finances of his supporters.

He is trying to hurt our military. Period. To me that makes him an enemy combatant.

As for why the US government hasn't done anything yet... look at that Black Panther case, I don't think our government has much stomach for law enforcement.

[Pal334]

I think that in the future you will see that the denial of service attacks that he has been experiencing have been conducted by one of our favorite Uncles. Sam that is. I would think they will continue. As to taking Law Enforcement action, time will tell. Remember once he is in custody for the sexual assault allegations he will be fair game for extradition.

The "Loose Lips May Sink Ships" campaign during WWII was actually an OPSEC (Operations Security ) movement to deny Operational Security information to the enemy. It was quite effective since we had at the time a patriotic media who actually cared for and cherished this country, sadly that is missing now.

[Trabitha]

Well if this is the case and he has no media outlet backing him, I'm all for him AND his fellow thief being dragged through the streets. ;)

[Justin Case]

Well if this is the case and he has no media outlet backing him, I'm all for him AND his fellow thief being dragged through the streets. ;)

they kinda are backing him,,,, all of the media is supporting him by reporting on the content of the files he sent them,, In my opinion, they are just as responsible as he is for the info going public...

[Trabitha]

they kinda are backing him,,,, all of the media is supporting him by reporting on the content of the files he sent them,, In my opinion, they are just as responsible as he is for the info going public...

Well...again...laws protect the media...and they need to, in order to keep us free. I hear what you're saying...and agree that media has lost ethics, but I wouldn't want the laws to change to where they have to clear everything they report through the government first. Know what I'm sayin'?

In my opinion, the "soldier" who stole the info. to begin with should be charged with treason and take the punishment we hand out for that crime, and wikileaks should be prosecuted to the fullest extent, but the media is doing what it was created to do... unfortunately.

[Justin Case]

Well...again...laws protect the media...and they need to, in order to keep us free. I hear what you're saying...and agree that media has lost ethics, but I wouldn't want the laws to change to where they have to clear everything they report through the government first. Know what I'm sayin'?

In my opinion, the "soldier" who stole the info. to begin with should be charged with treason and take the punishment we hand out for that crime, and wikileaks should be prosecuted to the fullest extent, but the media is doing what it was created to do... unfortunately.

I completely agree :)

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