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Justin Case
11-17-2010, 09:43 AM
Armed owner is cleared in FPL face-off

Afraid of potential `significant risk' to its employees, Florida Power & Light criticized a judge's ruling in favor of a man who pulled a rifle on two FPL workers who legally entered his property.

BY DAVID OVALLE
[email protected]

Citing Florida's controversial ``Stand Your Ground'' self-defense law, a Miami-Dade judge Tuesday ruled a homeowner was justified in pointing a rifle at two Florida Power & Light workers who entered his rural property to shut off his electricity.

The ruling drew immediate criticism from the utility company, which under state law has the legal right to enter a property to disconnect the power.

``We are disappointed in the ruling because we feel it has the potential to put our employees in the field at significant risk,'' FPL spokeswoman Jackie Anderson said.

Circuit Judge John W. Thornton Jr. granted immunity to Ernesto Che Vino, 42, clearing him of two felony counts of aggravated assault with a firearm, and a misdemeanor count of improper exhibition of a firearm.

The judge left in place a misdemeanor count of unlawfully discharging a firearm in public -- stemming from a volley Vino fired into the air as he hustled the terrified FPL workers away.

It is too early to tell what effect, if any, the immunity ruling would have on other workers such as repo men or legal process servers who enter private property.

The controversial 2005 Stand Your Ground law eliminated a citizen's duty to retreat from a deadly threat before using deadly force themselves.

In what has proved vexing for the courts, the vaguely worded law also bestowed ``immunity'' on people protecting themselves with lethal force. The Florida Supreme Court is considering how much legal leeway judges -- instead of juries -- have in declaring defendants immune from prosecution.

Vino ``had to protect his family, his two minor daughters,'' defense attorney Alejandro De Varona said after Tuesday's ruling. ``He didn't know who these people were.''

Miami-Dade prosecutors -- who argued the case should be decided by a jury, not a judge -- are weighing whether to appeal the ruling.

In Vino's case, the incident happened on the morning of March 9, 2009, when FPL employees Bruno Berrio and Timothy Pyke traveled to Vino's trailer home at the Jones Fishing Camp, a rural trailer park at the edge of the Everglades in Northwest Miami-Dade.

Looking to collect past-due payments or shut off the power, Berrio and Pyke said they beeped their horn, and had a neighbor try to call Vino. Finally, the pair used a ladder to scale the trailer home's fence and knocked on his door, they testified.

Awakened by his barking dogs, Vino -- who said he was a former Navy sniper -- rushed out of the home, wielding a rifle.

Pyke and Berrio, both in FPL uniform, told police that Vino confronted them and they immediately identified themselves as FPL employees.

Then Vino -- still pointing his gun -- ``marched them'' off his property, slapping the helmet off Pyke before shooting the rifle in the air as the terrified men scrambled back over the fence, they testified.

But the judge discounted the FPL employees' version, instead siding with Vino, who in an Aug. 19 hearing testified that he had been the victim of a vicious beating-burglary in the past. So when two strange men appeared, he said, he wielded his rifle and confronted them.

``Mr. Vino, upon recognizing that Mr. Pyke and Mr. Berrio were FPL employees, lowered his weapon and asked [them] why didn't they call him before entering his property,'' Judge Thornton wrote in his ruling, adopting the defendant's more benign version of events.

Vino ``escorted'' them to the fence before he fired ``one shot, not at Mr. Pyke or Mr. Berrio, but up in the air,'' Thornton wrote.

The judge ruled that Vino was immune from prosecution ``up to the point where he realized the two reasonably believed burglars were in fact FPL workers,'' meaning the shot fired in the air could still be an unlawful discharge.

Prosecutors believed the entirety of Vino's conduct amounted to aggravated assault, a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

Tuesday's immunity ruling was not the first in Miami-Dade since the law passed.

In February, Circuit Judge Beatrice Butchko ruled that Miami Dade College student Jordenis Arevalo-Alvarez was justified in arming himself after he was beaten by a man on the first-floor of his apartment complex.

The bloodied Arevalo-Alvarez ran back to his apartment and armed himself with a gun when he heard a pounding at the door. He flung the door open, only to find a female neighbor upset her window had been broken in the scuffle. Arevalo-Alvarez was arrested for aggravated assault, for briefly pointing the gun at the young woman before realizing who she was.

So far, no Miami-Dade judges have granted immunity to defendants charged with murder.


Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/11/16/1929577/armed-owner-is-cleared-in-fpl.html#disqus_thread#ixzz15Xym9JPM

Old GI
11-17-2010, 12:11 PM
ERNESTO CHE .... ??????? Huh?:rolleyes:

ClovisMan
11-17-2010, 12:26 PM
This is why we use SMART meters where I work. You don't pay your bill, we go intot he computer, look-up your account, and hit the big red button that says DISCONNECT!

In South Texas, we are actually going to try out these new meters that have a debit/credit card swipe on it so you can "pay as you go". LOL
I don't think they will accept the government assistance cards though. Atleast, I hope not.

Justin Case
11-17-2010, 01:00 PM
This is why we use SMART meters where I work. You don't pay your bill, we go intot he computer, look-up your account, and hit the big red button that says DISCONNECT!

In South Texas, we are actually going to try out these new meters that have a debit/credit card swipe on it so you can "pay as you go". LOL
I don't think they will accept the government assistance cards though. Atleast, I hope not.

No Kiddin ?

kyratshooter
11-17-2010, 01:06 PM
Not siding for or against Mr. Ernisto Che, (which is a common Hispanic name, just be glad your parents didn't name you Jeffery Dommer.)

The proceutors are WRONG in their approach to this case and it is being reflected nationwide.

This is like saying "if you want to clear yourself give us DNA, take a Polygraph, We just want to CLEAR you." You are not obligated to clear yourself, you are already innocent until they can prove guilt.

The law says you have the RIGHT to a jury trial. If you are accused of a crime you did not commit and the crime is so hanious you can not get a fair trial perhaps a "bench trial" is prefered.

Trial by jury is a right, not an obligation.

Miami is a liberal area and the prosceutors think they can scare a jury into siding with them just because a gun was involved. If they were in Idaho they would not press this issue.



Two weeks after I moved into my house I looked up to find a man I had never seen before in my yard. No uniform, no ID. I confronted him, He was from the health dept and was checking my septic line to see if I was going to be allowed to live on my new property.

Apparently if he did not like my septic tank he could condemn my propeerty even if the tank was in working order. No inspection was required for the property transfer.

I ran him off and told him if he had valid reason to be on my property to come back with a warrent, after he had checked every other septic tank on my road for compliance. The Circuit Court Judge lives two houses down and his house is older than mine, so is his septic system. Health Department Doofus has not been back.

I did talk to the Judge and he told me the zoning/health department is so low on work they are out druming up business. He also said they were making up their own "regulations" as the went and it was causing him some real problems in court. "We said he had to do it and by-God he's going to do what we say!" type situations in the courtroom.

It keeps the public servants busy and justifies their existance all the way from the meter reader to the investigator and prosceutor.

People turning off utilities, repossessing stuff or otherwise entering another persons' property are at risk and should be aware of the dangers they face. Those folks are stressed already, not doing well by anyones standards and each confrontation has the potential for danger.

The first time I was ever shot at was on a simple reposession run. Strangly, the dude did not seem impressed that we had a replevy warrant.

ClovisMan
11-17-2010, 02:25 PM
No Kiddin ?Yes, sir. Pre-paid electricity. You'll get an email or text sent to your phone telling you when your balance is low. You can go out behind your house and swipe your card to add funds. Right now there are only two in the field, but if they are successful, the pre-paid option will be available in the "poorer" communities in South Texas. Lots of illegal immigrants in that area. That is what this tactic is aimed at. I find it hideous myself, but power company is still paying my bills, so I just go with the flow.

Rick
11-17-2010, 03:41 PM
Pretty hard to take a side without knowing the specifics. I can't say I'd be doing disconnects after dark on anyone's property. Having been in a similar situation in broad daylight no one had to escort me anywhere. In fact, the gun owner would have had a hard time keeping up once I got off the pole. My momma didn't raise any fools. Well, there is my brother but that's another story.

Camp10
11-17-2010, 06:52 PM
These guys are way more dedicated than I ever was doing non-pays! I wouldnt go into an area I couldnt easily get out of...especially when I knew there might be confrontation.

Winnie
11-18-2010, 05:33 AM
Yes, sir. Pre-paid electricity. You'll get an email or text sent to your phone telling you when your balance is low. You can go out behind your house and swipe your card to add funds. Right now there are only two in the field, but if they are successful, the pre-paid option will be available in the "poorer" communities in South Texas. Lots of illegal immigrants in that area. That is what this tactic is aimed at. I find it hideous myself, but power company is still paying my bills, so I just go with the flow.

Pre pay meters have been over here for years. The early models accepted coins, I remember a flat I lived in had one. These days, you have a card that you put money on and then swipe the card through the meter. They are generally fitted in poorer households to prevent them getting in arrears, or to pay off a debt. It is the most expensive way of buying utilities.

Batch
11-18-2010, 08:03 PM
Rick would get shivers seeing how folks behave out there. LOL

That's right off of Chrome. Its where we all used to ride until all the go fast knuckle heads from Miami ruined it for everyone. They just put their kids on a sport quad and cut them loose.

Mack's fish camp used to have a giant python in a hut and the kids would rope swing of the dock right next to the gators they fed. LOL

Its been awhile and I see the grandsons took over. But, spots like these are different than most figure us to be like down here.

Watching all those transplants watching us ride our quads into the water to wash off the mud. Hey, man! Do you see that gator?!

http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/in-the-everglades-two-florida-boys-live-to-tell-the-tale-of-macks-fishing/1037268

Definitely cracker country down here.

Rick
11-18-2010, 08:47 PM
"One night I'm standing on my dock in the dark,'' Keith says. "And I hear this big old splash under me. Something grabs my foot. This gator has jumped up and tried to pull me in.''

"It's a vanishing way of life,''

You think? Maybe cause everyone is gettin' eatin'. I can honestly say I've never had a bunny rabbit grab me and try to pull me down the bunny hole. Ain't never happened. 'Course, I wouldn't fit but that's a whole other story.

crashdive123
11-18-2010, 10:47 PM
"One night I'm standing on my dock in the dark,'' Keith says. "And I hear this big old splash under me. Something grabs my foot. This gator has jumped up and tried to pull me in.''

"It's a vanishing way of life,''

You think? Maybe cause everyone is gettin' eatin'. I can honestly say I've never had a bunny rabbit grab me and try to pull me down the bunny hole. Ain't never happened. 'Course, I wouldn't fit but that's a whole other story.

Obviously you haven't come across this little bunny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg

nell67
11-19-2010, 08:25 AM
Obviously you haven't come across this little bunny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg

Must have been a doe....

Rick
11-19-2010, 09:19 AM
AS eliminated those years ago. Along with the plague, scurvy, dinosaurs and dragons. We're safe around these part.

finallyME
11-19-2010, 10:59 AM
I had a rabbit like that once. It was a doe I got for free from someone. When I put food in the cage, I had to wear gloves. I couldn't let my kids feed her. She was old, so my dog got to eat her. :munchies:

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