Fire Starter Info.

[Tony uk]

I use this fire kit, always does me right.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6889/firekitrf0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Flint, char cloth, striker, and tow all held in a tin in a raw hide bag.

Do yo use natural flint or synthetic ?

[Rick]

You got get something besides image shack. It takes a long time to load then it takes you to a login screen. I can't view your image.

[Tony uk]

www.photobucket.com (http://www.photobucket.com)

Or

www.imagevenue.net (http://www.imagevenue.net)

are two of the best free ones (Photobucket requires registration which is free)

[Rick]

Tony - Can you view his picture?

That little silver tube on my picture hold char cloth.

[Tony uk]

Tony - Can you view his picture?

Sure Can Rick

[Rick]

Well, it's taking me to a sign up screen. I cleared my cache and dumped my cookies and I still get it. Oh, well. Maybe it's just me.

[Tony uk]

Well, it's taking me to a sign up screen. I cleared my cache and dumped my cookies and I still get it. Oh, well. Maybe it's just me.

Thats because the code used to put it on the site with has it so that if you click it takes you to the main screen,

You need to have the direct url or code equivilent to stop this

:)

Nice to clean your PC junk out tho Rick

[Beo]

Natural Flint, always. Imported from England.

[Tony uk]

Natural Flint, always. Imported from England.

England :eek: Lol ive mostly used synthetic before, i think it is more reliable sparks

I have a small Q on safety. What happens if a spark land on the block part of the mag firestarter, I have a idea but never thought of trying it

[canid]

the heat energy in the steel spall [your spark] would dissipate long before the block ignited. even shavings that are too coarse can be hard to light. the heat energy from the spall combined with that of the ambient oxygen combusting must be enough to bring most of the shaving of magnesium to a kindling temperature, before that heat is dissipated elsewhere.

[canid]

i immagine that where here a sliver of magnesium still attatched at it's base to the block which caught your spark it might ignite, thereby igniting the block. i've never heard of this happening. remember, ignition is more efficient the greater the surface area of your combusting material. the difference between the surface area of .5g of shavings vs .5g in a cube is great.

[canid]

also, many of the synthetics oroduce much more reliable sparks than natural flint as they are impregnated with magnesium

[Tony uk]

Thanks Canid :D

[canid]

now i wouldn't go showering a magnesium block with sparks just to be on the safe side because i said that though:D

[Tony uk]

now i wouldn't go showering a magnesium block with sparks just to be on the safe side because i said that though:D

You really think i would do that.......................;)

:rolleyes:

[Rick]

We had a magnesium plant burn two years ago about thirty miles away. It burned a long time and forced several thousand to evacuate their homes. They couldn't use water and the fire chief said, "God didn't put enough sand in Anderson," to put out the flames so they let it burn.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/14707473/detail.html

[Assassin Pilot]

wow that sucks. its like an electric fire, u cant stop it w/ water.

[Sam]

Hi all, I just got a fluid lighter that does not leak. It's small but I've had it in my pocket for three weeks and no leaking. It screws shut and seals with an o-ring. I got it from a company called EDC.

[BatCat]

Stick with a BlastMatch or a Strike Force. Theyre easy to use, and the BlastMatch can be used one-handed. I carried one in my ruck for about 8 years and it never wore the flint out (The case finally broke; I still have the flint and use a piece of hacksaw blade to spark it


BatCat

[Sam]

Of no man, I carry between 5 and 7 kinds of fire starting tools. After all curtains don't light themselves. ;)

[chopp29]

I suggest carrying around a small magnifiying glass arean old eye glass lense.

[Jericho117]

But with processed flint, like Magnesium Flint Sticks, don't last very long. A $5.00 Magnesium Flint Stick only lasted me about 50 or 70 fires, and I don't use the Magnesuim shavings for the sparks to ignite it, I just use the sparks to catch tinder. A good fist sized chunk of flint will last probably last 3 times as longer than processed Flint. Natural Flint may take longer to start fires with, but at least it's plentiful and free. But I enjoy making fires with the fire plow and bow and drill methods. The materials needed for that method is always usually available, unlike flint. Hear in Connecticut, there is no flint what so ever, I have searched everywhere.

[canid]

plentiful only in some areas, just as quartzite, jasper, obsidian, etc. if you can't get it where you happen to be at, it isn't of any use.

[Chicago Dan]

I know this is an older thread that has been hashed out but I have two more methods that I did not see posted. Now I wouldn’t say either superior but if your already in possession of the two prerequisite items like me they can be nice backups.

1. Item: BPS self powered magnate/copper coil flashlight.
Method: The larger model has a frenzel like lens that comes out. It really
only works on sunny days but hey...

2. Item: Self powered light/radio/phone charger/etc. w/hand crank.
I will not get into details here because you can get a powerful shock if
you don't have competent working electrical knowledge... well it works for
me.

As for my other methods I have a Swedish Fire Steel, Several Bic's, and a Zippo. I also use cotton balls and never seem to have a shortage of lint in my clothes pockets or other less respectable places:eek:...LOL

[Omid]

I prefer a magnesium fire starter, it always does the job.

[warman87]

this would be good if you were injured i just ordered one ill let yall now how it is when it arives
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYRKzdSXH34

[Rick]

I'll tell you how it is. It's the berries!

Do a search on here. You'll find several posts on them.

[crashdive123]

Love the blast match.

[NS0201]

I have a flint and steel and a shoe lace. The Old bow drill works great for me.

[Omid]

Has anyone on here actually been able to do this? I remember trying this years ago at a class at a summer camp. I have no clue how people get this to work? I must not have the patience.

easiest way to make fire is to get a crackeling ball (firecracker) and but it in a bunch of dry leaves and wood. You can get like 20 of those for a buck.

other way is to put alcohol or oil or something of that matter. (I haven't tried it)

best way is to just get a bunch of dead leaves and a magnesium fire starter.

[crashdive123]

Omid - was that school suspension for playing with fireworks?

[skunkkiller]

flint n steel always does me right beowulf how come you import flint ? there is alot to be had just walking down trails.Ihave a 5 gal. bucket full.it so easy to find

[Dennis K.]

Was up in the Sant Fe wilderness this past week. Tried out the Walmart Magnesium Firestarter in semi-wet conditions.
Used only my multitool for striking & scraping. 1st - this seems like a great way to wreck a blade. 2nd - getting the spark to land on the pile of shavings was difficult. Solution: I used a pile of dried moss to build a little shelter around the magnesium shavings. It caught the spark, & lit quickly.

I won't say it works like a charm, but it does work.

[crashdive123]

Dennis K - two tricks you may want to try. Put a little piece of hacksaw blade on the little key ring that came with the magnesium block, or use the back of your knife instead of the blade - the squared back should work fine for scraping the block. Another tip is - while holding your stricker and flint next to your pile of shavings and tinder, move the flint toward you rather than the stricker toward the pile. This way you won't hit the pile and scatter it around.

[Dennis K.]

Thanks, crash - excellent idea about the hacksaw blade. Those things sure do have a lot of uses.

[skunkkiller]

why can't you carry amag bar in your pocket they aren't that big .I like the real deal better but emg. mag bars work great.use your pocket knife not you fixed blade you always want you fixed blade in good shape.

[yukon55]

what also woks is if you get cotton balls with vasaline. how to do it
1. get the cotton ball (balls)
2. get a little bit of vasaline put it on ball and just start pulling appart the cotton ball until it is mixed fully

[Gray Wolf]

I've posted this before, but what works great is a good flint (not all flints are equal), a striker, and lint from the dryer, especially the lint from the towel load. The Vaseline (on cotton balls or lint) gives you a longer burn time.

[skunkkiller]

not all flint is equal but if you find one good piece there will most of the time be more around . one piece of flint will last a long long time

[smokelessfire]

little amish girls would get a fire going with a long piece of corduroy cloth, that they held at each end after looping it over a branch, then pulling each end alternately, quickly, making massive friction and heat.

[Rick]

I hope that was cotton corduroy. Wool corduroy might take a while but it would make sweet music while you wait. Zoom Zoom Zoom Zoom........

[smokelessfire]

heh heh. i forgot to mention the best part, that you don't need charred cloth to go with it, because, well, it BECOMES charred cloth lol.

[ziggie0181]

Why make it so hard? In a survival situation, I'll pass on the whole flint,sticks, and glass for cheap Butane Lighter anyday. Or even a 15 dollar butane torch.

[Rick]

Because we're purist, Ziggie. We make fire the old fashioned way. We earn it. Then when we fail we use a lighter.

[skunkkiller]

since I learned to use flint and steel Ihave not used A LIGHTER TO START A FIRE it more fun with flint n steel and more rewarding .

[ironranger]

How about a fire from a chocolate bar and a soda can?
I Love HyperLinks (http://wildwoodsurvival.com/survival/fire/cokeandchocolatebar/)

I didn't believe / understand it until I saw it but, once you see the trick you understand.

[Rick]

You might try the Search function. We've discussed it. It's even mentioned in this thread.

[snakeman]

With flint i think the best tinder is cotton balls, lint, or birch bark. Flint is a lot easier than friction fires.

[Rick]

And char cloth.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Flint and steel is good to know and practice often, but I often use the bow drill method it seems to work better for me.. this pic a good example of of thehttp://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=16&pictureid=70 firebow

[Rick]

Let me get this straight. You think working your fingers bloody to get a spark is easier than 1) strike 2) blow 3) fire?

Uh, no. Flints, flints, flints....come on, repeat after me....flints.....

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

The wood that i use sparks rapidly.and also the drill is comfortable to hold and use,shaped for the hand. i use cotton or jute for tinder. it works ok for me.

[Rick]

Well, as one of our most noble members would say, "If it works for you then it works for me." (thank you, Crash)

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Its not like my most favorite way to build fires, though i often use this method. weather conditions wreak havoc the "FIRE" bow. there may be more reliable ways. i normaly always carry a magnesium flint stick and a ZIPPO.

[crashdive123]

Ah yes, back-ups. You can never have too many.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Thats right, I dont like not being able to build a fire. multiple aproaches to getting one lit
is a good notion observe

[klkak]

Yea and when I'm dreaming about building a fire I put some tender in the palm of one hand. Slap my hands together sharply then rub them together vigorously for a couple seconds. then cup my hand and gently blow on the tender and a flame springs to life. However when I'm out in the bush or the back yard and need to start a fire I use a ferro rod and a cotton ball soaked in paraffin or some birch bark or both...,

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Didnt stan laurel used to do that too?

[sh4d0wm4573ri7]

I prefer flint n steel or blastmatch ,strike force and cotton however I like a challenge so heres a bad vid of me using a bow n drill and igniting just ceder shavings
http://s230.photobucket.com/albums/ee202/sh4d0wm4573ri7/?action=view&current=Video009.flv

[crashdive123]

Looked like you had it going for a bit....

[sh4d0wm4573ri7]

Yea normally I make a nest of jute and ceder shavings however on this occasion my oldest son was here and we made a bet, I said I could get a flame with just the ceder shavings and he bet me a 20 I couldn't lol thx son

[Rick]

I carry a small aluminum tube (about the size of a drinking straw) in my fire kit. It really helps to direct your breath when blowing on a fire. It makes for a hotter fire than just using your lips. You could use 1/4 inch copper tubing or anything along those lines. The aluminum is rugged enough that it doesn't get damaged in the pack.

[sh4d0wm4573ri7]

good tip thx rick

[tsitenha]

I carry surgical tubing that will act as a flexible straw and like the above aluminum tube will also redirect air to the fire. Plus all kinds of other uses, repair a sling shot, possible tourniquet, lure body etc...

[Rick]

Oh, I forgot to mention...and this is important.....it's blow, don't suck.

[chazlawyer]

I'm a big fan of having back-ups and multiple options...so when the need for fire arises...


For Spark and Ignition:
BlastMatch
Magnesium bar with hacksaw blade
FireSteel
Matches (in waterproof container)
Magnifying glass

For Tinder:
Esbit fuel blocks
Spark-lite wet tinder
dryer lint
cotton balls w/ vaseline (in waterproof container)

This all fits nicely in the MOLLE pouch which is part of my main emergency pack (not what I would go hiking with...i use a much smaller pack for that)

[Dennis K.]

Oh, I forgot to mention...and this is important.....it's blow, don't suck.

Please tell me this was not learned by trial and error :)

[Tony uk]

Please tell me this was not learned by trial and error :)

Its Rick your talking about here Dennis :p

[crashdive123]

Now he tells me.

http://dataisdelicio.us/img/fire_eater.jpg

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Ok lets make that plan c on our fire starting attempts list.

[yukon55]

or you could use one of these it emits sparks at 1500-2400 degreeshttp://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.buzzillions.com/images_products/04/92/light_my_fire_firesteel_reviews_505040_300.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.buzzillions.com/dz_319056_light_my_fire_firesteel_reviews&h=300&w=300&sz=7&hl=en&start=10&um=1&usg=__X4V0_lZ-ccgXwyP_LdjQjdnH1Z8=&tbnid=2P--EltasFiM7M:&tbnh=116&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlight%2Bmy%2Bfire%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den% 26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

[Runs With Beer]

A flint and steel fire is easyer than you think, You must have the right parts to make it work. Agood steel, A peice of flint or chert, And you have to have char.All this info is on U tube.Ive used this for years, And its the most reliable fire making fire method I know of, in any weather any time. I make fire steels, Ill send one free of charge to the first post that wants one. A whole kit!

[nell67]

Sure,why not,I'll take one.:D

[crashdive123]

RWB - bring one of your kits on the 8th....I'll trade ya a Hawaiian sling for it.:rolleyes:

[Runs With Beer]

Nell Pm me where to send it to, And Ill send.Avd Crash Ill bring you bring.

[crashdive123]

Deal - I'll cut some fresh bamboo this week.

[Rick]

I also use steel and flint. It is easy but the weather can mess you up if your char cloth gets wet. For bad weather I usually resort to Vaseline cotton balls and a lighter. Works first time, every time.

[sh4d0wm4573ri7]

I agree prefer flint n steel to all forms of fire starting

[Runs With Beer]

Amen, Brother of the Bush.

[Fletcher]

gasoline and a bic works for me!

[S.E.R.E Guy]

Metal matches are great,just a stick of magnesium damn near the same as flint n steel but you have to be careful because some batches suck and are hard as hell to light

[crashdive123]

I got one of Runs With Bear's fire kits this past weekend. Very nice. Thank you.

[hoosierarcher]

Well I have been going through all the fire making methods I have ever heard of in the last year. I have been lately been trying the bowdrill method and the tree most abundant around me is maple. Maple has proven hard to find a straight enough limb for a spindle. I finally did but it's rather short, less than 10". Anyway I made the bow from choke cherry and the fireboard from maple too. Maple didn't give me much smoldering punk very fast so on the recommendation of a friend I'm looking for somne season sycamore. Apparently of the trees in my area it will work the best. I may also be able to get some cottonwood if I keep my eyes peeled. I don't think the local hedge or rather osage orange will work. I guess what it boils down to is not all woods are equal when you're looking to make fire with fiction. The bamboo saw method worked pretty well but it took an hour to generate enough smoldering punk.

[skunkkiller]

flint and steel is a good way to start a fire the inside pod of a milk weed plant will caught a sprak and hold it but you need a sprak exstender.i collect them in late fall when the pods are open it is the part the seeds are hooked to brake the tip off put on flint like char cloth and strike not real hard or the sprak will fly passed the pod.

[SARKY]

I've done away with lighters and matches in my kit. I've found that no matter the weather, I can always start a fire with a flint and steel as long as I have the appropiate tinder. For tinder I carry cottonballs (real cotton) soaked in petrolium jelly for lousy weather and OB brand tampons (you just can't compress cotton that small by hand) for good weather. The OBs I will cut into thirds as needed and fluff up then just hit it with a spark and you got fire.

[wild kid]

I would recommend a magnesium stick.they are easy to learn to use and work well.:D

[ricm123]

I've done away with lighters and matches in my kit. I've found that no matter the weather, I can always start a fire with a flint and steel as long as I have the appropiate tinder. For tinder I carry cottonballs (real cotton) soaked in petrolium jelly for lousy weather and OB brand tampons (you just can't compress cotton that small by hand) for good weather. The OBs I will cut into thirds as needed and fluff up then just hit it with a spark and you got fire.

I'd never have the nerve to buy tampons. (It's a guy thing...)
The 4 for $1 butane's work fine for me.

Also, I can't figure out how to char cloth before you start a fire?
Maybe you do it in advance and carry it with you because no cheap butane's are available?

My expensive butane cost $1.19. It has an L.E.D. built in.

[crashdive123]

Ricm123 - here are a couple of threads about making char cloth.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=4163&highlight=char+cloth

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5153&highlight=char+cloth

[sniperfx]

Magnesium Bar For Me!

[NCO]

I don't use char cloth. Dryed fireweed seeds and naava(couldn't find the english word for it, but it is a hair like lichen that grows usually in clean pine and spruce forests). Again, I concider char cloth too high tech for reliable use. If you really have to survive you don't have any charcloth on you, and I for one would not use my clothing to make some in forests. Surviving is knowing what to do when all you have is nature.

[crashdive123]

I don't use char cloth. Dryed fireweed seeds and naava(couldn't find the english word for it, but it is a hair like lichen that grows usually in clean pine and spruce forests). Again, I concider char cloth too high tech for reliable use. If you really have to survive you don't have any charcloth on you, and I for one would not use my clothing to make some in forests. Surviving is knowing what to do when all you have is nature.

Good to know what natural tinders are available to you. What do you use to generate a spark or coal?

[NCO]

Matches, lighter, flint and knife(steel). I use what is closet to me. If I happen to have my matches in my backpack and flint in the pocket I will use flint. If its the other way around I will use matches, unless Im low on them. My matches are always dipped in molten stearin so water won't ruin them.

[crashdive123]

Matches, lighter, flint and knife(steel). I use what is closet to me. If I happen to have my matches in my backpack and flint in the pocket I will use flint. If its the other way around I will use matches, unless Im low on them. My matches are always dipped in molten stearin so water won't ruin them.

A bit high tech, don't you think?:rolleyes:

[NCO]

I'm a smoker, thus that is an exeption in the rule.

[Tundrascout]

A little cold weather tip. If your hands are so cold you cant operate a lighter, you probably wont be able to start a fire au-naturale either. In case of bitter cold, I always keep some sealed, tear open (with teeth) hand warmers readily available (non zippered pocket). I think I picked this up from one of Larry Kaniut's books. Good bedtime reading stuff :D

[Mountain Man]

A little cold weather tip. If your hands are so cold you cant operate a lighter, you probably wont be able to start a fire au-naturale either. In case of bitter cold, I always keep some sealed, tear open (with teeth) hand warmers readily available (non zippered pocket). I think I picked this up from one of Larry Kaniut's books. Good bedtime reading stuff :D

Those things are life savers ;)

Snowboarding I couldn't even feel my fingers after putting on my boots and bindings in a blizzard had to use those things to thaw out my hands (bad circulation to start). W/out them I wouldn't have been able to continue :(

They CAN burn though so be careful if you are that numb.

[SurvivalFaith]

there are alternative ways of starting a fire. techniques used are similar to flint striker, that using flint embedded in a lighter. check out this video

Les Stroud Starting fire with empty lighter at Georgian Swamp. (http://survivalvideo.blogspot.com/2010/04/survivorman-georgian-swamp.html) Nice Trick :D


Making Fire With Empty Lighter (http://survivalvideo.blogspot.com/2010/04/making-fire-with-empty-lighter.html)

Lighter Striker (http://survivalvideo.blogspot.com/2010/04/lighter-striker.html)

[bobcat123]

are you talking about a commercial flint product used with a knife or the real kind of flint just a rock because if real kind i dont see how any one gets a fire going with that i tried it on the back of my hatchet but only got about 1 spark per strike and not reliable enough but if commercial kind i have one and like it alot because like stated it doesent matter if it is wet or not and is easy to use with some toilet papper and a knife i like it alot:thumbs_up::thumbs_up::D:thumbup1:

[Rick]

It's all in technique. Both natural and man made are reliable for fire starting. You will, however, get more sparks from a commercial fire steel or mish metal.

[crashdive123]

Starting a fire with natural flint is relatively easy if you are prepared, and have practiced......I guess I have the same hang up with fire as I do with sharp things and things that go bang. I'll show you once you've done your intro.

[TangoFoxtrot]

I have one thing to say....Ironmatch

[sh4d0wm4573ri7]

Flint n steel fire is actually quite easy , provided we have the right materials at hand. Bow n drill is time consuming and yes difficult even by those of us who have done it several times. Ah but the satisfaction of coaxing a fire from the wood is indeed worth the effort. I am inclined to carry a premaid kit of Red Ceder it works quite well to make a coal and is stored in a dry spot I also carry plenty of shredded Jute and fatwood. When I have this kit in good to fair conditions I can pretty much guarantee a fire in less then 10 minutes. But just in case lol I also carry petro infused cotton balls in a baggie.

[PDG]

I like to use some drier lint or a cotton ball with a little vaseline as fuel to get a fire going with a firesteel.

[rockriver]

I have a blastmatch and a vacuum sealed wad of cottonballs soaked in vasoline. Starts a fire every single time. Yeah, it's high tech, but all 5 of us here have the same set up. We can be warm/cook for a while as we are thinking of more primitive means if necessary.


ETA...I just read the post above mine..

[survivelist]

I myself just tried a bit ago, and I was out there for a very long time looking up ways to start a fire in the book. I used dry grass, dung, lots of small sticks, matches, coal, lighter, and yet...no surviving fire to last more than one or two minutes. Probably not patience, but I need some help, too.

[itsken78]

survivelist, it's all in your prep. make sure ya have your tinder (the stuff that flames up quick), & then in piles next to that, small twigs & other small stuff, next to that little bigger twigs & so on. it's summed up as "pencil lead thick, pencil thick & thumb thick" you just have to be sure not to smother the flame you do have going. oh & don't forget with fire, as well as everything else, 3 is 2, 2 is 1, & 1 is none. redundancy & practice. you'll get it if ya keep trying.

[Oklahoma cowboy]

I wonder if the Gerber fire starter is any good?:confused1:

[Adventure Wolf]

OF course you can use a lighter or matches, which is what I usually do. I can use flint, but I carry a magnesium fire starter instead.

I've tried the bow thing and could never make it work. I can, in a pinch, take on the friction methods but I'm not good with them at all.

[Survive]

my favorite fire starter is the Swiss FireSteel

[MItygrr]

Lean-tos, low pine branches, etc. Can be used. If you use pine, cedar or other dried evrgreen, it is important to keep fires small and away from it. Otherwise you will find yourself in a whole other situation to survive!

[MItygrr]

I recently found a side release buckle on Amazon that has a whistle and flint and striker. I took a few tries to see how it worked, then just before thinking it didn't I found the secret with it. The flint and steel need to be at 90 degree angles, then it promotes heavy sparks. This with dryer lint or 90 percent alchol I keep in sealed straws, makes a fire almost instant. I used the buckle with 550 paracord and telecommunication wire to make a belt. Added a "swiss-tech" mini multi-tool and I have a survival belt!The belt has 50 feet of paracord, a whistle, flint and striker, snare wire, (adding 30 lb test fish line) and the micro tool has a small, very sharp knife, saw blade, screwdriver, pliers, and a light. Need to make a small pouch for some "alcohol straws" and a toad stool stove, and I am good to go. I have found with strikers, (like magnesium) you get what you pay for. All work but at least practice with it to find the best spark production methods for what you have. Pine needles and dried grass make excellent tinder, as do vaseline cotton balls, dryer lint (starts ewith mere sparks, ask hundreds of home owners), and dry cattaiuls, yarrow, etc.

[Tokwan]

There was once when I ws showing off trying to start a fire by using flints...when a friend shoved a lighter that was lit under my nose.

[ninjasurvivor]

I've tried starting fires with lint and cotton using a weak magnifying glass. The cotton is too light and fluffy to catch fire. The lint will smolder but it will never catch fire. It just smolders away to ash. But those tinders seem to do well with even the slightest sparks, and will burst instantly into flames.

[DomC]

Remember, when working with a magnifying glass the darker the TINDER the easier the ignition. Charred material works excellently with a mag/Fresnel lens. The 6X lens on my HBC tobacco box works really good with charred cloth , punk wood and tinder fungus.

DomC


Sent from my KFTT using Tapatalk

[jimLE]

just like many others.i have books and boxes of matches,long stem lighters bic lighters and zippos.i also have a magnesium striker..in which i used a grinding wheel from a bench grinder to file down some of the magnesium..in which i put into a plastic box/case..in which i plan on locating something better to keep it in..i do plan on practicing with the bow drill just in case i need to take that route some day...

[hunter63]

Just for grins I have started reading this thread started in 2007
Seems we have come a long way since rubbing two rock together........than again maybe not.

Does it seem like the cycle keep turning?

[Paloduro]

Hello the camp! I did not read the entire string of posts but i did not see cotton balls smeared with petroleum jelly mentioned as a tinder. Use 100% cotton balls with a finger full of PJ and work it in. You can store a 1/2 dozen in a pill bottle. Pull one out and really fluff it up. One spark and it bursts into flame. They burn for up to 10 minutes. The spark can be from a ferro rod or a glowing ember on char cloth. Also, Tow Flax works great but is about $20 per pound. A pound fills two 1 gallon baggies.

[Rick]

Should have read them. There's probably 500 posts on PJ cotton balls. But Welcome home none-the-less.

[hunter63]

Hello the camp! I did not read the entire string of posts but i did not see cotton balls smeared with petroleum jelly mentioned as a tinder. Use 100% cotton balls with a finger full of PJ and work it in. You can store a 1/2 dozen in a pill bottle. Pull one out and really fluff it up. One spark and it bursts into flame. They burn for up to 10 minutes. The spark can be from a ferro rod or a glowing ember on char cloth. Also, Tow Flax works great but is about $20 per pound. A pound fills two 1 gallon baggies.

Hunter63 saying Hey and Welcome.....
There is an Intro section at.....

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?14-Introductions

Just one example od PJ and cotton balls...

Quote> post 361 this page.....By MItyg4rr
...Pine needles and dried grass make excellent tinder, as do vaseline cotton balls, dryer lint (starts ewith mere sparks, ask hundreds of home owners), and dry cattaiuls, yarrow, etc.
<qoute

[Paloduro]

Should have read them. There's probably 500 posts on PJ cotton balls. But Welcome home none-the-less. i read the first 5 pages of a 19 page string. No mention of PJCB. Yup should have read all 19 pages before trying to make my first post.

[Tokwan]

Paladuro...I think, I have many posts on the PJCB..I am one of the diehard PJCB fans...

[Rick]

Actually, my comment was tongue in cheek. However, PJCB starts on page 2 at post 31.

[[email protected]]

I believe the mention of flint should be firesteel. Flint is a striker that shaves off and heats curls of steel that can start a fire. Jute twine will also take a spark and burn although it does burn quickly so you need other fuel ready. Cut the twine into pieces and pull them apart to make a pile then hit it with a spark. When possible I like to carry items that have multiple uses like jute twine.

[Rick]

Well...flint is actually a type of quartz. Not a striker.

If you want to register your email address as your login that's fine but you are bound to receive tons of junk mail because of it. If you want it changed just let me know.

[crashdive123]

Yeah - apples and oranges. Flint = rock whereas firesteel = ferrocerium rod.

[rex4ev]

Which is better?

Storm proof: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00773VVHO/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=makeluck-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00773VVHO&linkId=44cd298ba45921ac9d959b1ab50ab5a7

or

More uses? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M196TH6/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=makeluck-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00M196TH6&linkId=3ad2923053db34f155afc228a091c501

[Rick]

It's really not a question of which is better per se. They are both tools. They both have their uses. The fero rod will provide you more fire in more environments so you'll get more for your money. However, if you do not know how to start a fire in a wet environment then those storm matches are gonna be pretty handy.

[johnwaynegoodin]

Ferrite rod screwdriver fake

Has anyone ever sold ferrite fire starters in forms other than a rod?

If you get pulled over by the police and they find a ferrite rod fire starter on you, you will lose it. A screwdriver in your toolbox that's exactly a fire starter in disguise you might just well keep it. I've seen some screwdrivers that sort of look like ferrite rods. The shaft is dark colored and it comes with multiple tips that screw in. Color your ferrite screwdriver silver or chrome so it blends in with all the other tools in your toolbox.

How about a ferrite fire starter backup in the forms of a credit card, or GI Dog Tag? You pass your striker down the edge.

[crashdive123]

I can honestly say that one of the last things that concerns me is getting my ferrocerium rod fire starter confiscated during a law enforcement encounter. Has this happened to you before? Any anicdotal evidence of this ever occuring during the existance of mankind?

[surviveMark]

You should buy this Magnesium Fire Starter - best and fastest option to start, unless you really want to do this as a proper survival guy. It's better to have something to start the fire just in case for own safety

[kyratshooter]

What a thread!

Started in 2007 and added too steadily until 2014, then it took on a two year reresection cycle in 2015/2017/2019/2021.

It's like no one ever discovered that Bic made lighters!

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Well, I don't know how many times I've had to dig through the console on my truck looking for a bic lighter and only find one ferrocerium rod fire starter or Magnesium Fire Starter after another. Nearly froze to death once looking for a bic to flick...

Alan

[Michael aka Mac]

This is a Topic that will be Hot long after I die.

Sadly, there are times that even the most skilled outdoorsman will not be able to get a fire going due to extreme weather conditions and what is on hand. I personally believe that one should know how to make a fire using all of the fire starting gadgets and techniques out there.

Being a freelance outdoor gear reviewer, I have come across numerous gadgets that were either subpar, or down right useless. Lately it has been the latter as I have seen places like Amazon flooded with Asian knockoffs of survival equipment. Magnesium bar shavings that can't even be lit with a blow torch, Ferro rods that wont spark or come with a striker that is of the wrong material, fake waterproof matches that wont lit dry let alone wet.

A majority of the time people buy this gear and do not test it out prior to their outdoor adventures only to find that in the field that they are not going to function properly.

For those that are having no luck creating a fire using a Magnifying glass here are some possibly reasons: Let's start with the obvious reasons, there are too many clouds, too much foliage, blocking the sun. You need to have the sun rays focused into the magnifying glass, and the clouds are defusing these rays preventing you from doing this.

Another major reason why you cannot start a fire on a sunny day is the magnification of your magnifying glass. This is most common with cheap $ Dollar Store magnifying glasses, and low quality gadgets (usually multi function survival tools). The $$ store magnifying glasses are typically 1.5 times magnification. This means that it is only magnifying 1.5X (times/multiplied) the magnification of what the human eye can see.

A a 5X magnifying glass will focus a significantly hotter and more narrow beam of light focusing it to a single point which allows the tinder to combust, while a 10X even more so. SO in short, the greater the magnification of the magnifying glass equates to a more narrow and much hotter outcome. These are also more expensive, and the real trick is finding a magnifying glass with high magnification but a small form factor (fits in your hand)

There are some gadgets that I just always have on me such as the Permanent match, that can create a total of 15,000 fires.

Many of you are familiar with the Magnesium bar ( I should note that these should always be tested prior to your adventure as many of these out there are either fake or duds. Also WARNING these shavings form this bar burn at 4000 degree F and will literally melt through your pots and pans, glass jars, and even your driveway. They cannot be extinguished with water, but can be put out using table salt or baking soda but NOT baking powder. You simply need to deprive it of Oxygen so even an upside down pot over it will eventually put the flames out) , the Flint and steel, the Ferro Rod, and Bow and drill method.

But you may not have heard of what is known as a Fire Piston which utilizes the Ideal Gas Law PV=NRT to combust a material using pressure. You simply put a piece of charred cloth into the receptacle and push the rod straight down once into the holder and then pull it out with the charred cloth now lit (ember).

Another device using the same concept as the magnifying glass is a Solar Reflector Disc Lighter.

Oh and since this is a Survival Website, I am going to mention a tinder source that so far none of you has mentioned.. Here is a Shout Out to all of you Hairy men out there, you're the Tinder source. Yep our beards, arm & chest hair, and the hair on top and below can be used as tinder.

Although a majority of outdoorsman and women and survivalists are wearing layers of clothing not made from cotton, most of us always neglect to have our tighty whities to be made out of synthetics, and are instead wearing cotton undies. With pieces of your cotton underwear, you now have a means to make more charred cloth.

Knowing all of the numerous fire making gadgets and techniques out there will probably one day save your life, or at least prevent you form losing your fingers or toes from frostbite. I remember this one trip i had at a hunter's log cabin where we arrived after dark and in freezing temperatures. I falsely assumed that the log cabin, since it had a fireplace and cast iron stove/heater, also had matches and or lighters, and my fire starting bag was in the truck about a mile out. I searched through the kitchen until I found some steel wool, and then took down the battery operated smoke/CO2 detector, took out the 9 Volt battery, tore a piece of the steel wool off, and used the battery to start a fire both in the fireplace and cast iron wood burning stove/heater.

A survivalist utilizes all that is around him or her to survive situations. It is not just what one brings with them that helps them to survive but also what is available all around them in the environment.

[Rick]

Sorry, but IMHO, the permanent match, fire piston and the solar reflector and pieces of junk. That's why God invented the BIC lighter. To each his own.

[Michael aka Mac]

The sad truth is more than 350 million disposable lighters end up in landfills every year, and some are even eaten by animals.
That means our food, land, and water can easily be contaminated by hazardous waste. - google search

Well Rick, everyone has their own opinion, its our God given right, and one of our freedoms here in the USA.

I am a freelance gear reviewer, and depending on who makes the fire piston, the permanent match or the solar disc reflector lighter will determine if they work or not. The permanent matches that I own are now going on 22 years old. How long has that Bic lighter lasted you?

The whole point of a survivalist is to find self sustainable methods and innovations to keep us alive. If god forbid you ended up marooned on a deserted island Rick, that Bic lighter in the long run is going to be useless. When the fuel runs out so does your fire making source. A fire piston on the other hand, could possibly last 10 years or more, before the rubber seal fails and you lose compression.

[crashdive123]

You really don't have a clue, do you?

[Rick]

About as long as that permanent match. But my BIC won't leak fuel everywhere. If you like them, good on ya. I don't.

[yellowcab]

�айт (http://audiobookkeeper.ru)�айт (http://cottagenet.ru)�айт (http://eyesvision.ru)�айт (http://eyesvisions.com)�айт (http://factoringfee.ru)�айт (http://filmzones.ru)�айт (http://gadwall.ru)�айт (http://gaffertape.ru)�айт (http://gageboard.ru)�айт (http://gagrule.ru)�айт (http://gallduct.ru)�айт (http://galvanometric.ru)�айт (http://gangforeman.ru)�айт (http://gangwayplatform.ru)�айт (http://garbagechute.ru)
�айт (http://gardeningleave.ru)�айт (http://gascautery.ru)�айт (http://gashbucket.ru)�айт (http://gasreturn.ru)�айт (http://gatedsweep.ru)�айт (http://gaugemodel.ru)�айт (http://gaussianfilter.ru)�айт (http://gearpitchdiameter.ru)�айт (http://geartreating.ru)�айт (http://generalizedanalysis.ru)�айт (http://generalprovisions.ru)�айт (http://geophysicalprobe.ru)�айт (http://geriatricnurse.ru)�айт (http://getintoaflap.ru)�айт (http://getthebounce.ru)
�айт (http://habeascorpus.ru)�айт (http://habituate.ru)�айт (http://hackedbolt.ru)�айт (http://hackworker.ru)�айт (http://hadronicannihilation.ru)�айт (http://haemagglutinin.ru)�айт (http://hailsquall.ru)�айт (http://hairysphere.ru)�айт (http://halforderfringe.ru)�айт (http://halfsiblings.ru)�айт (http://hallofresidence.ru)�айт (http://haltstate.ru)�айт (http://handcoding.ru)�айт (http://handportedhead.ru)�айт (http://handradar.ru)
�айт (http://handsfreetelephone.ru)�айт (http://hangonpart.ru)�айт (http://haphazardwinding.ru)�айт (http://hardalloyteeth.ru)�айт (http://hardasiron.ru)�айт (http://hardenedconcrete.ru)�айт (http://harmonicinteraction.ru)�айт (http://hartlaubgoose.ru)�айт (http://hatchholddown.ru)�айт (http://haveafinetime.ru)�айт (http://hazardousatmosphere.ru)�айт (http://headregulator.ru)�айт (http://heartofgold.ru)�айт (http://heatageingresistance.ru)�айт (http://heatinggas.ru)
�айт (http://heavydutymetalcutting.ru)�айт (http://jacketedwall.ru)�айт (http://japanesecedar.ru)�айт (http://jibtypecrane.ru)�айт (http://jobabandonment.ru)�айт (http://jobstress.ru)�айт (http://jogformation.ru)�айт (http://jointcapsule.ru)�айт (http://jointsealingmaterial.ru)�айт (http://journallubricator.ru)�айт (http://juicecatcher.ru)�айт (http://junctionofchannels.ru)�айт (http://justiciablehomicide.ru)�айт (http://juxtapositiontwin.ru)�айт (http://kaposidisease.ru)
�айт (http://keepagoodoffing.ru)�айт (http://keepsmthinhand.ru)�айт (http://kentishglory.ru)�айт (http://kerbweight.ru)�айт (http://kerrrotation.ru)�айт (http://keymanassurance.ru)�айт (http://keyserum.ru)�айт (http://kickplate.ru)�айт (http://killthefattedcalf.ru)�айт (http://kilowattsecond.ru)�айт (http://kingweakfish.ru)�айт (http://kinozones.ru)�айт (http://kleinbottle.ru)�айт (http://kneejoint.ru)�айт (http://knifesethouse.ru)
�айт (http://knockonatom.ru)�айт (http://knowledgestate.ru)�айт (http://kondoferromagnet.ru)�айт (http://labeledgraph.ru)�айт (http://laborracket.ru)�айт (http://labourearnings.ru)�айт (http://labourleasing.ru)�айт (http://laburnumtree.ru)�айт (http://lacingcourse.ru)�айт (http://lacrimalpoint.ru)�айт (http://lactogenicfactor.ru)�айт (http://lacunarycoefficient.ru)�айт (http://ladletreatediron.ru)�айт (http://laggingload.ru)�айт (http://laissezaller.ru)
�айт (http://lambdatransition.ru)�айт (http://laminatedmaterial.ru)�айт (http://lammasshoot.ru)�айт (http://lamphouse.ru)�айт (http://lancecorporal.ru)�айт (http://lancingdie.ru)�айт (http://landingdoor.ru)�айт (http://landmarksensor.ru)�айт (http://landreform.ru)�айт (http://landuseratio.ru)�айт (http://languagelaboratory.ru)�айт (http://largeheart.ru)�айт (http://lasercalibration.ru)�айт (http://laserlens.ru)�айт (http://laserpulse.ru)

[yellowcab]

�айт (http://laterevent.ru)�айт (http://latrinesergeant.ru)�айт (http://layabout.ru)�айт (http://leadcoating.ru)�айт (http://leadingfirm.ru)�айт (http://learningcurve.ru)�айт (http://leaveword.ru)�айт (http://machinesensible.ru)�айт (http://magneticequator.ru)�айт (http://magnetotelluricfield.ru)�айт (http://mailinghouse.ru)�айт (http://majorconcern.ru)�айт (http://mammasdarling.ru)�айт (http://managerialstaff.ru)�айт (http://manipulatinghand.ru)
�айт (http://manualchoke.ru)�айт (http://medinfobooks.ru)�айт (http://mp3lists.ru)�айт (http://nameresolution.ru)�айт (http://naphtheneseries.ru)�айт (http://narrowmouthed.ru)�айт (http://nationalcensus.ru)�айт (http://naturalfunctor.ru)�айт (http://navelseed.ru)�айт (http://neatplaster.ru)�айт (http://necroticcaries.ru)�айт (http://negativefibration.ru)�айт (http://neighbouringrights.ru)�айт (http://objectmodule.ru)�айт (http://observationballoon.ru)
�айт (http://obstructivepatent.ru)�айт (http://oceanmining.ru)�айт (http://octupolephonon.ru)�айт (http://offlinesystem.ru)�айт (http://offsetholder.ru)�айт (http://olibanumresinoid.ru)�айт (http://onesticket.ru)�айт (http://packedspheres.ru)�айт (http://pagingterminal.ru)�айт (http://palatinebones.ru)�айт (http://palmberry.ru)�айт (http://papercoating.ru)�айт (http://paraconvexgroup.ru)�айт (http://parasolmonoplane.ru)�айт (http://parkingbrake.ru)
�айт (http://partfamily.ru)�айт (http://partialmajorant.ru)�айт (http://quadrupleworm.ru)�айт (http://qualitybooster.ru)�айт (http://quasimoney.ru)�айт (http://quenchedspark.ru)�айт (http://quodrecuperet.ru)�айт (http://rabbetledge.ru)�айт (http://radialchaser.ru)�айт (http://radiationestimator.ru)�айт (http://railwaybridge.ru)�айт (http://randomcoloration.ru)�айт (http://rapidgrowth.ru)�айт (http://rattlesnakemaster.ru)�айт (http://reachthroughregion.ru)
�айт (http://readingmagnifier.ru)�айт (http://rearchain.ru)�айт (http://recessioncone.ru)�айт (http://recordedassignment.ru)�айт (http://rectifiersubstation.ru)�айт (http://redemptionvalue.ru)�айт (http://reducingflange.ru)�айт (http://referenceantigen.ru)�айт (http://regeneratedprotein.ru)�айт (http://reinvestmentplan.ru)�айт (http://safedrilling.ru)�айт (http://sagprofile.ru)�айт (http://salestypelease.ru)�айт (http://samplinginterval.ru)�айт (http://satellitehydrology.ru)
�айт (http://scarcecommodity.ru)�айт (http://scrapermat.ru)�айт (http://screwingunit.ru)�айт (http://seawaterpump.ru)�айт (http://secondaryblock.ru)�айт (http://secularclergy.ru)�айт (http://seismicefficiency.ru)�айт (http://selectivediffuser.ru)�айт (http://semiasphalticflux.ru)�айт (http://semifinishmachining.ru)�айт (http://spicetrade.ru)�айт (http://spysale.ru)�айт (http://stungun.ru)�айт (http://tacticaldiameter.ru)�айт (http://tailstockcenter.ru)
�айт (http://tamecurve.ru)�айт (http://tapecorrection.ru)�айт (http://tappingchuck.ru)�айт (http://taskreasoning.ru)�айт (http://technicalgrade.ru)�айт (http://telangiectaticlipoma.ru)�айт (http://telescopicdamper.ru)�айт (http://temperateclimate.ru)�айт (http://temperedmeasure.ru)�айт (http://tenementbuilding.ru)tuchkas (http://tuchkas.ru/)�айт (http://ultramaficrock.ru)�айт (http://ultraviolettesting.ru)

[yellowcab]

рома (http://audiobookkeeper.ru/book/4351)140.6 (http://cottagenet.ru/plan/715)INTR (http://eyesvision.ru/use-your-own-eyes-introduction)Repr (http://eyesvisions.com/bates-medical-articles-writers-cramp)отно (http://factoringfee.ru/t/1253666)Sapi (http://filmzones.ru/t/1230977)газе (http://gadwall.ru/t/1226406)Gold (http://gaffertape.ru/t/1104300)Some (http://gageboard.ru/t/1097032)�туд (http://gagrule.ru/t/1025349)нача (http://gallduct.ru/t/1163964)Clyd (http://galvanometric.ru/t/1552126)Tesc (http://gangforeman.ru/t/1459268)Zdob (http://gangwayplatform.ru/t/1699278)Куба (http://garbagechute.ru/t/1373670)
рожд (http://gardeningleave.ru/t/1085458)Воро (http://gascautery.ru/t/1256453)�а�е (http://gashbucket.ru/t/1308859)Jame (http://gasreturn.ru/t/1304811)XVII (http://gatedsweep.ru/t/1251438)Ко�м (http://gaugemodel.ru/t/1357375)Френ (http://gaussianfilter.ru/t/1582496)Жика (http://gearpitchdiameter.ru/t/1243283)Yosh (http://geartreating.ru/t/1210597)West (http://generalizedanalysis.ru/t/1198095)Хрущ (http://generalprovisions.ru/t/1328350)Кучи (http://geophysicalprobe.ru/t/1345987)ATTO (http://geriatricnurse.ru/t/1528922)��ро (http://getintoaflap.ru/t/1294814)Лиел (http://getthebounce.ru/t/891295)
�зык (http://habeascorpus.ru/t/1247794)Воло (http://habituate.ru/t/1228143)Грач (http://hackedbolt.ru/t/1212792)XVII (http://hackworker.ru/t/1385103)Поно (http://hadronicannihilation.ru/t/1104890)West (http://haemagglutinin.ru/t/1198125)Чере (http://hailsquall.ru/t/1239958)Sylv (http://hairysphere.ru/t/1135498)Озер (http://halforderfringe.ru/t/1251266)Сафр (http://halfsiblings.ru/t/1327950)Rona (http://hallofresidence.ru/t/1048648)Ямщи (http://haltstate.ru/t/1049812)Петр (http://handcoding.ru/t/1245035)Domi (http://handportedhead.ru/t/1664448)Лифа (http://handradar.ru/t/959674)
У�ан (http://handsfreetelephone.ru/t/1225074)Labo (http://hangonpart.ru/t/1145029)худо (http://haphazardwinding.ru/t/1042195)Micr (http://hardalloyteeth.ru/t/823296)Ялпа (http://hardasiron.ru/t/838604)Robe (http://hardenedconcrete.ru/t/1022474)Igor (http://harmonicinteraction.ru/t/1050301)Воро (http://hartlaubgoose.ru/t/1077280)Geor (http://hatchholddown.ru/t/1256526)ELEG (http://haveafinetime.ru/t/1547696)ELEG (http://hazardousatmosphere.ru/t/1480162)ELEG (http://headregulator.ru/t/1547745)Dese (http://heartofgold.ru/t/1552754)Side (http://heatageingresistance.ru/t/1202245)Circ (http://heatinggas.ru/t/1547096)
биол (http://heavydutymetalcutting.ru/t/1183195)John (http://jacketedwall.ru/t/807095)Lill (http://japanesecedar.ru/t/911810)Юрки (http://jibtypecrane.ru/t/1376560)Will (http://jobabandonment.ru/t/849325)Лаге (http://jobstress.ru/t/1228154)Sisi (http://jogformation.ru/t/1141898)Ð*ома (http://jointcapsule.ru/t/1198471)(195 (http://jointsealingmaterial.ru/t/1224423)(194 (http://journallubricator.ru/t/1353827)коÑ�м (http://juicecatcher.ru/t/1221932)Pros (http://junctionofchannels.ru/t/1181078)Eleg (http://justiciablehomicide.ru/t/1182585)карм (http://juxtapositiontwin.ru/t/1187951)Sela (http://kaposidisease.ru/t/1180737)
ELEG (http://keepagoodoffing.ru/t/1181811)Фоми (http://keepsmthinhand.ru/t/838653)Eleg (http://kentishglory.ru/t/1187800)Glob (http://kerbweight.ru/t/1189391)Маль (http://kerrrotation.ru/t/1003188)�лек (http://keymanassurance.ru/t/836990)ELEG (http://keyserum.ru/t/1181610)Zone (http://kickplate.ru/t/1549854)унив (http://killthefattedcalf.ru/t/1375709)Giul (http://kilowattsecond.ru/t/1134433)When (http://kingweakfish.ru/t/1507367)�ыно (http://kinozones.ru/film/4351)Конд (http://kleinbottle.ru/t/1239671)Маль (http://kneejoint.ru/t/1308726)Circ (http://knifesethouse.ru/t/1711411)
Кара (http://knockonatom.ru/t/1245186)иллю (http://knowledgestate.ru/t/1244679)Zone (http://kondoferromagnet.ru/t/1548971)Ибра (http://labeledgraph.ru/t/1375760)Zone (http://laborracket.ru/t/1549595)Zone (http://labourearnings.ru/t/1549246)Zone (http://labourleasing.ru/t/1548934)Zone (http://laburnumtree.ru/t/1191293)Zone (http://lacingcourse.ru/t/1189923)Zone (http://lacrimalpoint.ru/t/1189605)Ð*ожа (http://lactogenicfactor.ru/t/1328590)03-1 (http://lacunarycoefficient.ru/t/1194428)Zone (http://ladletreatediron.ru/t/1192674)Zone (http://laggingload.ru/t/1190946)Ñ�ере (http://laissezaller.ru/t/1192614)
Zone (http://lambdatransition.ru/t/1192700)3094 (http://laminatedmaterial.ru/t/1194433)Barb (http://lammasshoot.ru/t/1378749)West (http://lamphouse.ru/t/1198163)Zone (http://lancecorporal.ru/t/1185744)Naso (http://lancingdie.ru/t/1187176)Zone (http://landingdoor.ru/t/1189743)Бал� (http://landmarksensor.ru/t/1564783)хар- (http://landreform.ru/t/1187617)Zone (http://landuseratio.ru/t/1185979)Mark (http://languagelaboratory.ru/t/1219642)приб (http://largeheart.ru/shop/1159464)бога (http://lasercalibration.ru/shop/151813)NOKI (http://laserlens.ru/lase_zakaz/78)�ъем (http://laserpulse.ru/shop/588636)

[yellowcab]

Прои (http://laterevent.ru/shop/1030351)Elec (http://latrinesergeant.ru/shop/453387)Прои (http://layabout.ru/shop/99407)Robe (http://leadcoating.ru/shop/18374)Regi (http://leadingfirm.ru/shop/47663)Brow (http://learningcurve.ru/shop/96451)Fies (http://leaveword.ru/shop/141485)1840 (http://machinesensible.ru/shop/53555)Unit (http://magneticequator.ru/shop/95955)Texa (http://magnetotelluricfield.ru/shop/135626)plac (http://mailinghouse.ru/shop/46737)Kari (http://majorconcern.ru/shop/196358)Edmi (http://mammasdarling.ru/shop/145002)Шамо (http://managerialstaff.ru/shop/159032)ARAG (http://manipulatinghand.ru/shop/612683)
ликв (http://manualchoke.ru/shop/153723)изло (http://medinfobooks.ru/book/993)Spri (http://mp3lists.ru/item/4351)Индо (http://nameresolution.ru/shop/141848)закл (http://naphtheneseries.ru/shop/103584)Grea (http://narrowmouthed.ru/shop/304729)Intr (http://nationalcensus.ru/shop/145630)Gymi (http://naturalfunctor.ru/shop/11423)Серг (http://navelseed.ru/shop/54463)JPEG (http://neatplaster.ru/shop/123048)Wind (http://necroticcaries.ru/shop/24484)Wind (http://negativefibration.ru/shop/167466)Коно (http://neighbouringrights.ru/shop/12439)Deko (http://objectmodule.ru/shop/106262)Rowe (http://observationballoon.ru/shop/97117)
Tefa (http://obstructivepatent.ru/shop/97887)Chou (http://oceanmining.ru/shop/458447)Adva (http://octupolephonon.ru/shop/571312)Ð�ром (http://offlinesystem.ru/shop/147215)Глаз (http://offsetholder.ru/shop/150875)Micr (http://olibanumresinoid.ru/shop/30588)моло (http://onesticket.ru/shop/81275)0131 (http://packedspheres.ru/shop/578611)elec (http://pagingterminal.ru/shop/585373)реаб (http://palatinebones.ru/shop/200642)ЛитÐ* (http://palmberry.ru/shop/203966)Одув (http://papercoating.ru/shop/579767)ЛитÐ* (http://paraconvexgroup.ru/shop/683953)Мико (http://parasolmonoplane.ru/shop/1165392)Лебе (http://parkingbrake.ru/shop/1165455)
Сури (http://partfamily.ru/shop/1050457)Герш (http://partialmajorant.ru/shop/1167208)XVII (http://quadrupleworm.ru/shop/153945)Jord (http://qualitybooster.ru/shop/152816)ви�ц (http://quasimoney.ru/shop/511930)изда (http://quenchedspark.ru/shop/478388)уров (http://quodrecuperet.ru/shop/124160)Pres (http://rabbetledge.ru/shop/1047270)ИМей (http://radialchaser.ru/shop/110832)Хри� (http://radiationestimator.ru/shop/68362)Санк (http://railwaybridge.ru/shop/322005)Снеж (http://randomcoloration.ru/shop/480153)Кита (http://rapidgrowth.ru/shop/572786)(Вед (http://rattlesnakemaster.ru/shop/125547)Gode (http://reachthroughregion.ru/shop/124917)
на�л (http://readingmagnifier.ru/shop/86395)Eric (http://rearchain.ru/shop/318076)Крыл (http://recessioncone.ru/shop/468352)Wars (http://recordedassignment.ru/shop/13890)«Сою (http://rectifiersubstation.ru/shop/1046095)дет� (http://redemptionvalue.ru/shop/1058069)Жура (http://reducingflange.ru/shop/1066282)Ва�и (http://referenceantigen.ru/shop/1692071)Cast (http://regeneratedprotein.ru/shop/1198584)�ефе (http://reinvestmentplan.ru/shop/120514)рабо (http://safedrilling.ru/shop/1293826)Грош (http://sagprofile.ru/shop/1033604)квал (http://salestypelease.ru/shop/1063642)�ово (http://samplinginterval.ru/shop/1388997)Каза (http://satellitehydrology.ru/shop/1406427)
Trai (http://scarcecommodity.ru/shop/1422901)дете (http://scrapermat.ru/shop/1214260)авто (http://screwingunit.ru/shop/1484903)Ð*уÑ�и (http://seawaterpump.ru/shop/166104)ложн (http://secondaryblock.ru/shop/246195)Eliz (http://secularclergy.ru/shop/105214)худо (http://seismicefficiency.ru/shop/35337)тера (http://selectivediffuser.ru/shop/47014)DATS (http://semiasphalticflux.ru/shop/396498)Петр (http://semifinishmachining.ru/shop/65392)NOKI (http://spicetrade.ru/spice_zakaz/78)NOKI (http://spysale.ru/spy_zakaz/78)NOKI (http://stungun.ru/stun_zakaz/78)ПÑ�ре (http://tacticaldiameter.ru/shop/460068)ДевÑ� (http://tailstockcenter.ru/shop/463425)
Шува (http://tamecurve.ru/shop/82209)Бере (http://tapecorrection.ru/shop/83058)Ñ�зык (http://tappingchuck.ru/shop/484252)Feue (http://taskreasoning.ru/shop/496128)авто (http://technicalgrade.ru/shop/1812880)Берг (http://telangiectaticlipoma.ru/shop/619767)прав (http://telescopicdamper.ru/shop/614594)Шишл (http://temperateclimate.ru/shop/250917)авто (http://temperedmeasure.ru/shop/395777)Ð*оди (http://tenementbuilding.ru/shop/411628)tuchkas (http://tuchkas.ru/)Disc (http://ultramaficrock.ru/shop/460176)МайÑ� (http://ultraviolettesting.ru/shop/475097)

[yellowcab]

audiobookkeeper.ru (http://audiobookkeeper.ru)cottagenet.ru (http://cottagenet.ru)eyesvision.ru (http://eyesvision.ru)eyesvisions.com (http://eyesvisions.com)factoringfee.ru (http://factoringfee.ru)filmzones.ru (http://filmzones.ru)gadwall.ru (http://gadwall.ru)gaffertape.ru (http://gaffertape.ru)gageboard.ru (http://gageboard.ru)gagrule.ru (http://gagrule.ru)gallduct.ru (http://gallduct.ru)galvanometric.ru (http://galvanometric.ru)gangforeman.ru (http://gangforeman.ru)gangwayplatform.ru (http://gangwayplatform.ru)garbagechute.ru (http://garbagechute.ru)
gardeningleave.ru (http://gardeningleave.ru)gascautery.ru (http://gascautery.ru)gashbucket.ru (http://gashbucket.ru)gasreturn.ru (http://gasreturn.ru)gatedsweep.ru (http://gatedsweep.ru)gaugemodel.ru (http://gaugemodel.ru)gaussianfilter.ru (http://gaussianfilter.ru)gearpitchdiameter.ru (http://gearpitchdiameter.ru)geartreating.ru (http://geartreating.ru)generalizedanalysis.ru (http://generalizedanalysis.ru)generalprovisions.ru (http://generalprovisions.ru)geophysicalprobe.ru (http://geophysicalprobe.ru)geriatricnurse.ru (http://geriatricnurse.ru)getintoaflap.ru (http://getintoaflap.ru)getthebounce.ru (http://getthebounce.ru)
habeascorpus.ru (http://habeascorpus.ru)habituate.ru (http://habituate.ru)hackedbolt.ru (http://hackedbolt.ru)hackworker.ru (http://hackworker.ru)hadronicannihilation.ru (http://hadronicannihilation.ru)haemagglutinin.ru (http://haemagglutinin.ru)hailsquall.ru (http://hailsquall.ru)hairysphere.ru (http://hairysphere.ru)halforderfringe.ru (http://halforderfringe.ru)halfsiblings.ru (http://halfsiblings.ru)hallofresidence.ru (http://hallofresidence.ru)haltstate.ru (http://haltstate.ru)handcoding.ru (http://handcoding.ru)handportedhead.ru (http://handportedhead.ru)handradar.ru (http://handradar.ru)
handsfreetelephone.ru (http://handsfreetelephone.ru)hangonpart.ru (http://hangonpart.ru)haphazardwinding.ru (http://haphazardwinding.ru)hardalloyteeth.ru (http://hardalloyteeth.ru)hardasiron.ru (http://hardasiron.ru)hardenedconcrete.ru (http://hardenedconcrete.ru)harmonicinteraction.ru (http://harmonicinteraction.ru)hartlaubgoose.ru (http://hartlaubgoose.ru)hatchholddown.ru (http://hatchholddown.ru)haveafinetime.ru (http://haveafinetime.ru)hazardousatmosphere.ru (http://hazardousatmosphere.ru)headregulator.ru (http://headregulator.ru)heartofgold.ru (http://heartofgold.ru)heatageingresistance.ru (http://heatageingresistance.ru)heatinggas.ru (http://heatinggas.ru)
heavydutymetalcutting.ru (http://heavydutymetalcutting.ru)jacketedwall.ru (http://jacketedwall.ru)japanesecedar.ru (http://japanesecedar.ru)jibtypecrane.ru (http://jibtypecrane.ru)jobabandonment.ru (http://jobabandonment.ru)jobstress.ru (http://jobstress.ru)jogformation.ru (http://jogformation.ru)jointcapsule.ru (http://jointcapsule.ru)jointsealingmaterial.ru (http://jointsealingmaterial.ru)journallubricator.ru (http://journallubricator.ru)juicecatcher.ru (http://juicecatcher.ru)junctionofchannels.ru (http://junctionofchannels.ru)justiciablehomicide.ru (http://justiciablehomicide.ru)juxtapositiontwin.ru (http://juxtapositiontwin.ru)kaposidisease.ru (http://kaposidisease.ru)
keepagoodoffing.ru (http://keepagoodoffing.ru)keepsmthinhand.ru (http://keepsmthinhand.ru)kentishglory.ru (http://kentishglory.ru)kerbweight.ru (http://kerbweight.ru)kerrrotation.ru (http://kerrrotation.ru)keymanassurance.ru (http://keymanassurance.ru)keyserum.ru (http://keyserum.ru)kickplate.ru (http://kickplate.ru)killthefattedcalf.ru (http://killthefattedcalf.ru)kilowattsecond.ru (http://kilowattsecond.ru)kingweakfish.ru (http://kingweakfish.ru)kinozones.ru (http://kinozones.ru)kleinbottle.ru (http://kleinbottle.ru)kneejoint.ru (http://kneejoint.ru)knifesethouse.ru (http://knifesethouse.ru)
knockonatom.ru (http://knockonatom.ru)knowledgestate.ru (http://knowledgestate.ru)kondoferromagnet.ru (http://kondoferromagnet.ru)labeledgraph.ru (http://labeledgraph.ru)laborracket.ru (http://laborracket.ru)labourearnings.ru (http://labourearnings.ru)labourleasing.ru (http://labourleasing.ru)laburnumtree.ru (http://laburnumtree.ru)lacingcourse.ru (http://lacingcourse.ru)lacrimalpoint.ru (http://lacrimalpoint.ru)lactogenicfactor.ru (http://lactogenicfactor.ru)lacunarycoefficient.ru (http://lacunarycoefficient.ru)ladletreatediron.ru (http://ladletreatediron.ru)laggingload.ru (http://laggingload.ru)laissezaller.ru (http://laissezaller.ru)
lambdatransition.ru (http://lambdatransition.ru)laminatedmaterial.ru (http://laminatedmaterial.ru)lammasshoot.ru (http://lammasshoot.ru)lamphouse.ru (http://lamphouse.ru)lancecorporal.ru (http://lancecorporal.ru)lancingdie.ru (http://lancingdie.ru)landingdoor.ru (http://landingdoor.ru)landmarksensor.ru (http://landmarksensor.ru)landreform.ru (http://landreform.ru)landuseratio.ru (http://landuseratio.ru)languagelaboratory.ru (http://languagelaboratory.ru)largeheart.ru (http://largeheart.ru)lasercalibration.ru (http://lasercalibration.ru)laserlens.ru (http://laserlens.ru)laserpulse.ru (http://laserpulse.ru)

[yellowcab]

laterevent.ru (http://laterevent.ru)latrinesergeant.ru (http://latrinesergeant.ru)layabout.ru (http://layabout.ru)leadcoating.ru (http://leadcoating.ru)leadingfirm.ru (http://leadingfirm.ru)learningcurve.ru (http://learningcurve.ru)leaveword.ru (http://leaveword.ru)machinesensible.ru (http://machinesensible.ru)magneticequator.ru (http://magneticequator.ru)magnetotelluricfield.ru (http://magnetotelluricfield.ru)mailinghouse.ru (http://mailinghouse.ru)majorconcern.ru (http://majorconcern.ru)mammasdarling.ru (http://mammasdarling.ru)managerialstaff.ru (http://managerialstaff.ru)manipulatinghand.ru (http://manipulatinghand.ru)
manualchoke.ru (http://manualchoke.ru)medinfobooks.ru (http://medinfobooks.ru)mp3lists.ru (http://mp3lists.ru)nameresolution.ru (http://nameresolution.ru)naphtheneseries.ru (http://naphtheneseries.ru)narrowmouthed.ru (http://narrowmouthed.ru)nationalcensus.ru (http://nationalcensus.ru)naturalfunctor.ru (http://naturalfunctor.ru)navelseed.ru (http://navelseed.ru)neatplaster.ru (http://neatplaster.ru)necroticcaries.ru (http://necroticcaries.ru)negativefibration.ru (http://negativefibration.ru)neighbouringrights.ru (http://neighbouringrights.ru)objectmodule.ru (http://objectmodule.ru)observationballoon.ru (http://observationballoon.ru)
obstructivepatent.ru (http://obstructivepatent.ru)oceanmining.ru (http://oceanmining.ru)octupolephonon.ru (http://octupolephonon.ru)offlinesystem.ru (http://offlinesystem.ru)offsetholder.ru (http://offsetholder.ru)olibanumresinoid.ru (http://olibanumresinoid.ru)onesticket.ru (http://onesticket.ru)packedspheres.ru (http://packedspheres.ru)pagingterminal.ru (http://pagingterminal.ru)palatinebones.ru (http://palatinebones.ru)palmberry.ru (http://palmberry.ru)papercoating.ru (http://papercoating.ru)paraconvexgroup.ru (http://paraconvexgroup.ru)parasolmonoplane.ru (http://parasolmonoplane.ru)parkingbrake.ru (http://parkingbrake.ru)
partfamily.ru (http://partfamily.ru)partialmajorant.ru (http://partialmajorant.ru)quadrupleworm.ru (http://quadrupleworm.ru)qualitybooster.ru (http://qualitybooster.ru)quasimoney.ru (http://quasimoney.ru)quenchedspark.ru (http://quenchedspark.ru)quodrecuperet.ru (http://quodrecuperet.ru)rabbetledge.ru (http://rabbetledge.ru)radialchaser.ru (http://radialchaser.ru)radiationestimator.ru (http://radiationestimator.ru)railwaybridge.ru (http://railwaybridge.ru)randomcoloration.ru (http://randomcoloration.ru)rapidgrowth.ru (http://rapidgrowth.ru)rattlesnakemaster.ru (http://rattlesnakemaster.ru)reachthroughregion.ru (http://reachthroughregion.ru)
readingmagnifier.ru (http://readingmagnifier.ru)rearchain.ru (http://rearchain.ru)recessioncone.ru (http://recessioncone.ru)recordedassignment.ru (http://recordedassignment.ru)rectifiersubstation.ru (http://rectifiersubstation.ru)redemptionvalue.ru (http://redemptionvalue.ru)reducingflange.ru (http://reducingflange.ru)referenceantigen.ru (http://referenceantigen.ru)regeneratedprotein.ru (http://regeneratedprotein.ru)reinvestmentplan.ru (http://reinvestmentplan.ru)safedrilling.ru (http://safedrilling.ru)sagprofile.ru (http://sagprofile.ru)salestypelease.ru (http://salestypelease.ru)samplinginterval.ru (http://samplinginterval.ru)satellitehydrology.ru (http://satellitehydrology.ru)
scarcecommodity.ru (http://scarcecommodity.ru)scrapermat.ru (http://scrapermat.ru)screwingunit.ru (http://screwingunit.ru)seawaterpump.ru (http://seawaterpump.ru)secondaryblock.ru (http://secondaryblock.ru)secularclergy.ru (http://secularclergy.ru)seismicefficiency.ru (http://seismicefficiency.ru)selectivediffuser.ru (http://selectivediffuser.ru)semiasphalticflux.ru (http://semiasphalticflux.ru)semifinishmachining.ru (http://semifinishmachining.ru)spicetrade.ru (http://spicetrade.ru)spysale.ru (http://spysale.ru)stungun.ru (http://stungun.ru)tacticaldiameter.ru (http://tacticaldiameter.ru)tailstockcenter.ru (http://tailstockcenter.ru)
tamecurve.ru (http://tamecurve.ru)tapecorrection.ru (http://tapecorrection.ru)tappingchuck.ru (http://tappingchuck.ru)taskreasoning.ru (http://taskreasoning.ru)technicalgrade.ru (http://technicalgrade.ru)telangiectaticlipoma.ru (http://telangiectaticlipoma.ru)telescopicdamper.ru (http://telescopicdamper.ru)temperateclimate.ru (http://temperateclimate.ru)temperedmeasure.ru (http://temperedmeasure.ru)tenementbuilding.ru (http://tenementbuilding.ru)tuchkas (http://tuchkas.ru/)ultramaficrock.ru (http://ultramaficrock.ru)ultraviolettesting.ru (http://ultraviolettesting.ru)