Fn 5.7

[klickitat]

I have been considering getting a new pistol for a trail gun. Most of the time I either carry a Ruger MII .22 or a CZ75 in 9mm. Well since I built my SxS I really do not need a .22 when I am hunting for grouse. The only thing I feel that I would like to have is something for coyotes and bobcats out past 50 yards.

So my thought is to pick up an FN 5.7 pistol. The gun is ugly as can be but the performance is beautiful. For those who do not know, the 5.7 is like a mini .223 and sends a 31 grain bullet down the pipe at 2350 fps. In a flush magazine it holds 20 rounds and with a 1" extension it holds 30 rounds.

I thought I would throw it up on the board and see if anyone else on here has one or even what others' thoughts were on the idea.

[kyratshooter]

I have nothing against the 5.7, but for my money I would go for the KelTec .22 mag, accept 200fps drop in speed on a 40 gn slug and save $700.

Same number of rounds,same general range and easier/cheaper ammo access.

I am seriously considering the KelTec and I usually have zero use for a .22 pistol. .22 mag is a whole different ball game.

[klickitat]

I've been looking at those too and figured some one would suggest it. I remember back in the 80's there was the Grendel P30 in .22 mag and I wanted one back then. I have been considering the keltec. One of the things I am really considering is the reloading ability of the 5.7 and the fact that you can ring out quite a bit more velocity out of them.

[Rick]

As long as the PMR 30 has been in prototype you'd think the darn thing would be available by now. I'd love to have one but I'll probably be an old man before they go on sale. Wait a minute. I am ... never mind.

[klickitat]

As long as the PMR 30 has been in prototype you'd think the darn thing would be available by now. I'd love to have one but I'll probably be an old man before they go on sale. Wait a minute. I am ... never mind.

There are a few on Gunbroker, but they are asking 6-7 hundred dollars. I think that price reflects hype for now and prices should come down. The one thing I really like about the KelTec is the fact that you can put a laser and light combo under it. Now that might seem sort of tacti-cool, but when hunting bobcats at night, it is a great thing to have.

[klickitat]

There is one on there right now for $480.

[Rick]

Kel-Tec says the MSRP is $415 so you should be able to pick one up in the mid-high 300s. I'm NOT the guy that pays top dollar 'cause I just gotta have that new thingie. I'm the guy that buys it after everyone figures out what the bugs and the fixes are.

[klickitat]

I am right with you Rick, I posted that as a lark. I am a little more thrifty than that.

[SARKY]

try looking at a tokarev in 7.62x25. I load 90 grain XTP bullets in mine and if I want more zip I load saboted 45 grain V-Max bullets. Actually more energy than the 5.7.

[kyratshooter]

Kel-Tec says the MSRP is $415 so you should be able to pick one up in the mid-high 300s. I'm NOT the guy that pays top dollar 'cause I just gotta have that new thingie. I'm the guy that buys it after everyone figures out what the bugs and the fixes are.

I agree in full. $1,000+ for a pistol is beyond my scope or concept. That is espically true for a one off caliber that is nearly impossible to find, limited in scope and as expensive as the gun when you do find it.

The only common usage for the pistol anyone has specified is shooting coyotes, and to be honest, I have not seen enough coyotes to justify a $1,000 coyote pistol in my entire lifetime.

The last Keltec I saw was at a show and priced at $300. They are not a company that holds back production to increase prices so there must be bugs needing attention. $250-$350 is their standard price range and I expect the .22mag to be in that range when it becomes plentiful.

[SARKY]

I would really like to see the Grendel .22mag carbine make a comeback

[Rick]

You and me both. George Kellgren is designing so much of the Kel-Tec stuff to look like Grendel they should just make the darn things. If a guy could go back in time with a bucket full of money he could sure be a happy camper today.

[klickitat]

Guns for me have always been an investment and I have always been willing to sell any of them except for the last one. If you buy right then you have no problem getting your money back out of them or even making a buck a few years down the line.

I try to buy my guns at or below what they are valued at on the open used market. This way if I spend $800 on a gun then it is still worth that or more when and if I ever need to sell it. I see them more are stored usable wealth. You can not look at a gun like a tv. Guns have most or more of their value 10 years from when you bought it, unlike the tv.

$800 is what a new FN 5.7 is selling for here at the local counter. If I decide to go that way, I will definitely look for one that has some of the shiny already knocked off.

[kyratshooter]

My problem seems to be that I am living in a 1970 economy mentaly.

J frames at $125
1911 at $135 new and $25-50 used
That was the year I bought a 10/22 for $40 and a .22 automatic for the same.

I also worked part time in a precision injection molding factory for a year. I know exactly how much it costs to make a polymer frame, and it is measured in cents per unit.

After the R&D is paid for these polymer guns, even the very best of the breed, are costing less than $50 to produce complete and ready to shoot. The government was still paying less than $100 for the Baretta last figures I saw, and it is all metal.

The gun makers are gouging us for every penney they can squeeze before the end of their industry is declared.

The polymer craze is their survival mechinism. Produce cheap and sell high and convert the Glock/Ruger/S&W factory to making miniblinds and sippy cups the day after gun production is banned.

On the up-side, I have just discovered a couple of the guns I bought for $100 a few years back are now topping the $1,000 mark! Now I just need to find some fool with $1,000.

I have magic beans too!

[Rick]

Retail has nothing to do with R&D or even what it costs to produce. Other than establishing the cost to produce. It has everything to do with marketing and supply and demand. How is it gouging if company A produces a widget for $20 and sells it for $500 (the iPhone comes to mind here)? If folks are willing to pay then it's simple commerce. If folks aren't willing to pay the price comes down.

[klickitat]

taxes, insurance, taxes, regulations, taxes, training, taxes, infrastructure, taxes, shake downs, taxes, bogus L&I claims, taxes, pensions, taxes, advertising, taxes, employee theft, taxes. Did I mention taxes. You need to pay for all of this on top of the cost of the product.

[Rick]

You forgot taxes.

[klickitat]

You forgot taxes.
Oh thanks Rick. Taxes.

[kyratshooter]

I will deffinately be part of the "refuse to buy it at that price" group.

All the while knowing that they will close down their plant before they cut their profits.

:6:

[beetlejuicex3]

I owned one for about a year. Bought it for $999 and sold it for about $899. As far as owning a pistol goes, it was not that expensive in the end.

It was extremely accurate and recoiled slightly more than a .22. Muzzle flip and flash was less than my 9mm's but not as nice as .22. It's a bit loud to shoot.

I think the 95 and 97 civilian rounds clock in around 1700-1800 fps best I recall, not 2300. If memory serves that's the LE round. You can find high quality reloaded rounds from Elite Ammunition that perform more in that range and appear to be utterly devestating.

Which is why I sold the gun. By the time I got a souped up round I thought would suffice for home defense the penetration made it too dangerous, (imho).

As a varmint gun and novelty pistol it's a great gun. VERY fun to shoot.

[2dumb2kwit]

My problem seems to be that I am living in a 1970 economy mentaly.

J frames at $125
1911 at $135 new and $25-50 used
That was the year I bought a 10/22 for $40 and a .22 automatic for the same.

I also worked part time in a precision injection molding factory for a year. I know exactly how much it costs to make a polymer frame, and it is measured in cents per unit.

After the R&D is paid for these polymer guns, even the very best of the breed, are costing less than $50 to produce complete and ready to shoot. The government was still paying less than $100 for the Baretta last figures I saw, and it is all metal.

The gun makers are gouging us for every penney they can squeeze before the end of their industry is declared.

The polymer craze is their survival mechinism. Produce cheap and sell high and convert the Glock/Ruger/S&W factory to making miniblinds and sippy cups the day after gun production is banned.

On the up-side, I have just discovered a couple of the guns I bought for $100 a few years back are now topping the $1,000 mark! Now I just need to find some fool with $1,000.

I have magic beans too!


Aaaaahahaha.........Glock sippie cups!!!
Hey, Pal....where's glockcop??? LOL:jango:

[Pal334]

I don't know, I did enjoy our antler tangling . Maybe he converted to the 1911 and does not want to admit it?

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