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your_comforting_company
10-09-2010, 09:08 AM
I've been toying with a net all week. Does anybody here tie nets in fancy shapes? I want to tie a diamond shaped net. I intend for it to be a hammock and wanted it to be like a ?hennesee? style hammock to eliminate the tent from my pack when solo. Replacing the 15lb behemoth tent with a 1lb hammock, a 1lb tarp and a bit of extra rope would take a load off camping, is more compact, and easy to set up (not that my tent is hard to set up).

So any netters around to help me figure out the pattern? I can post pics if needed.. I must tied it together and untied it 20 times by now.. I just cant figure it out! GRRR!:surrender:
shooter_250
10-09-2010, 09:32 AM
look up...macrama...or..macrima..or macramay...or...here let me do it
shooter_250
10-09-2010, 09:33 AM
http://www.earthguild.com/products/riff/rhammock.htm
shooter_250
10-09-2010, 09:35 AM
dagnabit...i forgot to write something...here ya go...shows the knots and all...here ya go...

refer to above post to make this a complete post..

yep...ooolllllllllddddddddddddd
mwp
10-09-2010, 12:28 PM
Havent done what your trying yet but have made several castnets over the years. To enlarge an area I add stitches as I go by the row. How many determines how wide it will get how fast. Reverse the process will reduce the size. Hope that helps. mwp
Rick
10-09-2010, 12:51 PM
mwp - How about an introduction if you don't mind. You can use this template if you like.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7813
your_comforting_company
10-10-2010, 10:21 AM
I may be overcomplicating this..
I don't want to use rods to hold it open, because I don't want to carry the extra weight. I was trying to make a diamond shape, with what I call a "bull hitch" on the side angles where you would stake out the sides to hold it open.. I guess pictures are in order.. not sure I can describe it all that well with words.
square nets are easy. I can make a square net (rectangular, whatever) in just a little while. This funny diamond shaped one is confusing!
Rick
10-10-2010, 12:03 PM
See if this is something like you are looking for. I have the Ashley Book of Knots and found this in the book and, as luck would have it, found it on the net. Look at 3822. I also have some pretty good instructions are making the clew out of an iron ring from the same book. Scroll up one page to 3813 for the clew. Let me know if this is close.

http://books.google.com/books?id=aN58gdigmy4C&pg=PA589&lpg=PA589&dq=sailor%27s+knitted+hammock&source=bl&ots=0qzAuexOJF&sig=8R5RoEgHSJRXc5TROQD8-FDESkk&hl=en&ei=RuOxTJamMI79ngeEhKHuBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false
your_comforting_company
10-10-2010, 10:34 PM
That is VERY close to what I'm looking for. Thanks. I'll give this a read. I'm trying to do the pinched pair method and work from one side over to the other, so that I can put more mesh at the sag points, like my shoulders and butt and want to weave some thicker rope in where my head lays. I may have to scrap that idea and use the single string and shuttle method to maintain the right shape.. I toyed with it some more today, but wound up untying it again.. just doesn't look right. If I have time tomorrow I'll make a shuttle and try a different way.
I've got all kinds of pictures to upload if I ever get around to it, Went to the Kolomoki Festival on Saturday and spent most of the day watching pottery being fired in an open fire, master knappers, bowyers, talked with folks about friction fire, shared ideas with some really great folks.. I'm just slow about uploading them as I've been distracted with getting ready for opening day of rifle season next weekend.

Thanks for the link, I'm gonna read up on that and the macrame stuff and see if there's a better way than what I'm trying.
your_comforting_company
10-10-2010, 10:38 PM
Actually.. It's a sort of variation like 3792.. a shaped net.. this might just be the ticket. thanks Rick!
klickitat
10-10-2010, 11:23 PM
I am sure I am missing something here, but why don't you just buy a chunk of net. You can pick up old gill net dirt cheap. Then you can cut out a piece to fit your needs and use a couple of aluminum carabiners for the ends.
crashdive123
10-11-2010, 06:40 AM
Making stuff is kind of fun and rewarding all on its own.
klickitat
10-11-2010, 11:00 AM
Making stuff is kind of fun and rewarding all on its own.

I agree and if that is the point to this then I understand. I just did not get that from reading this and thus the reason I asked if I was missing something.
Alaskan Survivalist
10-12-2010, 09:29 AM
Reducing mesh size is the simpliest method, be the strongest and will look the best. I did not look through the links so maybe that was mentioned in them.
your_comforting_company
10-14-2010, 08:27 AM
Okay.. after many failed attempts to use the two-string pinch method, I resolved to go with Ricks examples in the Ashley Knot book. The single strand method was much easier to follow and make symmetrical. Of course I had to make a shuttle and guage, so I used one of those paint stirring sticks like you use in a 5-gallon bucket.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg184/your_comforting_company/knots/DSCN5363.jpg

It basically started like this:
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg184/your_comforting_company/knots/DSCN5361.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg184/your_comforting_company/knots/DSCN5365.jpg

... and ends like this:
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg184/your_comforting_company/knots/DSCN5373.jpg

and it packs up this small
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg184/your_comforting_company/knots/DSCN5375.jpg

For me, it needed to be about a foot longer. This will be perfect for either of my boys, and it holds all my 145lbs using #18 masons line for the netting. On my next attempt I will be using #40 line and making the frame larger in both directions.

My BIL was teaching me his method of net-tying.. He attempted the same design, but when he sat in his, gravity prevailed. Sorry for the sore @ss BIL.. maybe the student should have been the teacher??! Nurse!:triage:
Rick
10-14-2010, 08:31 AM
I'm glad it worked out for you. That's an awesome job!! I would think the same design a bit larger could also be used as a gill net in a small stream or a bird net. The pattern might be a bit large but it might slow them down long enough to grab them. Great multi-use tool!!
your_comforting_company
10-14-2010, 08:58 AM
It is an extension of the cordage skill.
sure you can make rope.. but can you make something OUT OF the rope? For me, this is what this endeavor was all about. Learning to make tactile tools from a previous skill. Netting is not the easiest thing to DO, but it is actually pretty easy to learn if you know where to start.
So, for that I must say
Thank you very much, Rick, for the link. The library is getting Ashley's book for me (regional library network) and hopefully it'll be here in a few days. I can't wait to learn about more things I can do with string.

Don't get me wrong.. it took quite a lot of string to make this thing, but if I had nothing but time, At least I could make a useful item from the string I make.

This project cost roughly $25 but I have enough material left to make at least one more hammock (hopefully the right size this time hahaha!)

And a big Thank You to all the others who posted links and suggestions to get me on the right track. I will have to practice changing mesh sizes for added strength in the sag areas.

Every time I learn something new, I realize just how much more there is to learn and just how finite my current knowledge really is.
Rick
10-14-2010, 11:29 AM
The Ashley Book of Knots have something like 4000 knots in it. There are a lot that I'll never use and don't have a need to use but there are sure a lot in there I'd like to master. Not just decorative knots but practical knots.
finallyME
10-14-2010, 11:41 AM
So, are you happy with it, or do you want any suggestions on how to lay flatter? You did an excellent job on tying the net, but there are a few things you can do to the overall design to help improve comfort.
your_comforting_company
10-14-2010, 01:08 PM
I would love suggestions. Thanks!
finallyME
10-14-2010, 01:25 PM
Well, personally, I would use cloth instead of netting. But, if you are sold on netting, you can still do it. The tighter the weave the more comfortable, but you would have to use thinner cord to keep the weight down. The weave you have will still work though, so you don't have to ditch it just yet.

Basically what you want is a rectangle, not a diamond, if you are copying Hennesee. Hennesee has a rectangle. The rectangle gives the extra material needed to lower your head and legs, while not lowering your mid section, thus making it easier to lay flat. Once the rectangle is done, then you want to fold the ends a certain way. Hennesee just runs a rope through the ends, so that might work as well. If I am looking at your pictures correctly, your last row is a bunch of loops that you then can add another row to. When you actually get to your last row, run the rope you will use to tie to the tree through all the loops and then tie it to itself. This will bunch the ends together. As for dimensions, the wider and longer the easier to lay flat. My hammock is a 10ft by 5 ft rectangle with ends bunched together. Also, you need to lay diagonal in the hammock. Your head is on one end of the centerline, your feet on the other, and your butt is on the centerline.

Also, if you want to reduce bulk and weight, then you can get a smaller, lighter, stronger side rope. Amsteel is a good choice, as is 4mm climbing rope.
your_comforting_company
10-14-2010, 01:45 PM
I was thinking the rectangle would cause the heads and feet to sag lower as the ends were bunched up. I'd rather use netting than fabric to keep it as multi-use and light as possible. As far as the rope.. I just bought what the hardware store up town had. Next attempt will definately be better stuff. I'll check on the climbing rope for sides.. that'll reduce the weight even more.
size is definately a factor.. gotta be a lot bigger for my big ol' rumpus. Still, I don't think I did an aweful job for a first attempt.
Some good ideas and info. Thanks.

a couple questions, if I may..
A smaller mesh will require a smaller guage AND shuttle, right?
Which will also require more loadings on the shuttle, because you can't fit as much.. then you add the thicker string..What IS a good size for fishing? I know monofilament would be best, but trying to think along the lines of this being a premade item that I'll have in my bag anyway and it should have more than one use. consider they will be hand sized bream mostly, but catfish too so it's gotta be tough enough.

What's the best knot to use on the sides to prevent slipping? I'm using a bloody-knuckle and a cinch, just wondering if there is a better one.

The biggest problem I had was with adding and subtracting loops with the rope frame already in place.. just couldn't make sense of it.
rwc1969
10-14-2010, 11:19 PM
I don't know if it would be cost effective, but the Firewire or spiderwire type fishing lines might be an extremely light weight and compact yet high strength alternative.

Or perhaps even the dacron? tip-up line used for ice fishing.

this is something I've been wanting to do for some time.

thanks all for the info.
finallyME
10-18-2010, 05:14 PM
You did a great job on the first attempt. Better than I could have.

You might try 2mm dacron with a 200lb test. Or, 1.5mm dacron with a 150 lb test. I know how to buy it locally, but not on the internet. The store I buy it at locally doesn't sell over the net. You can look at decoy line for duck hunting. Heck, the masons line you used is probably good enough. I wouldn't try to make a smaller mesh because you could end up getting past the scope of the project. You can buy a net hammock for pretty cheap.
your_comforting_company
10-18-2010, 05:25 PM
eh.. I like makin stuff. I'd rather try to find the dacron and make my own than buy one premade by chinese kids in a sweatshop owned by martha stewart. (just kiddin about martha)
I'll check some of the hunting stores. someones bound to have the dacron stuff. Thanks.
Rick
10-18-2010, 05:55 PM
Oh, sure, turn your nose up at Chinese kids. Hey, they gotta eat, too!
your_comforting_company
10-18-2010, 07:29 PM
there you go playing the guilt card on me... Hey! Maybe I can find some dacron made in a chinese sweat shop!! It's the best of both worlds!
Rick
10-18-2010, 07:32 PM
See? Win/Win.
Alaskan Survivalist
10-19-2010, 10:01 AM
I don't know if it would be cost effective, but the Firewire or spiderwire type fishing lines might be an extremely light weight and compact yet high strength alternative.

Or perhaps even the dacron? tip-up line used for ice fishing.

this is something I've been wanting to do for some time.

thanks all for the info.

Knot holding ability is the issue with many of the new lines. Glue can be used on knots.
your_comforting_company
10-19-2010, 12:24 PM
I did notice that the fire line I use on my reel came with instructions for a special way to tie it..
finallyME
10-25-2010, 11:26 AM
Since I had the camera out, and my cord, I decided to take a few pictures of various cords I have bought recently. They might help you with your net hammock.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/5113950343_0521cf9d16_z.jpg

Here is the top of the roll of the green cord in the upper left hand corner. I called the company and they told me it had an 85 lb test. It is also made from polyethylene and polypropylene. No nylon.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1082/5114552404_afa26c8a9f_z.jpg

The top right is 2mm dacron. The bottom is 1.5mm dacron from the same company. Here is a close up of the label for the 1.5 mm dacron.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/5113951221_30d25d3dd1_z.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1414/5114553184_88b4f3d115_z.jpg

I bought the stuff for tarp tie-outs because it is lighter than 550 cord. It is also cheaper and doesn't stretch when wet. They also seem to hold knots really well.
your_comforting_company
10-25-2010, 12:54 PM
most excellent. Thank you very much. I have the same paracord brand, no idea about the big rope. I'll find someone close by that has some of that decoy line.. heck it's stronger than the "paracord" stuff!
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