View Full Version : Arrogance/Pride/Cocksure or maybe NOT.......
Sourdough
10-07-2010, 03:53 PM
I now belong to several of these "Survival Type Forums" and if someone asked me what is common through out the survival community, it is Arrogance, Pride & and a Cock-sureness that they are smart, they are going to survive, they know everything. And what ever their plan of action is....... it is the most well thought out, brilliant plan, and that they have thought of everything.
In all fairness I guess I am as arrogant as anyone. One thing is for sure when you play musical chairs...............when the music STOPS it going to be over for someone. I wonder what I will wish I knew.......that I don't even know that I don't Know.
BENESSE
10-07-2010, 03:59 PM
I can only tell you what you wish you knew if the music didn't stop: that you enjoyed it more.
Alaskan Survivalist
10-07-2010, 04:29 PM
SD, we have already survived longer than many and if you took advantage of the years done or at least tried to do it all. It's not just about living well, It's about dieing well too. I'm not going out on my knees!
NightShade
10-07-2010, 04:34 PM
I agree SD, it is a common trait... I feel the same way , that there is stuff I don't know I don't know..
I like to believe that I USED to be arrogant... I have been humbled before...
Confidence in your abilities isn't a bad thing... It's overconfidence that can be a problem!
I feel a " true survivalist " isn't defined by their preparedness as much as their adaptability and ingenuity.
NightShade
10-07-2010, 04:48 PM
Actually.. I don't think I meant " true survivalist" as much as I meant " true survivor"
I have to give you an atta boy on that post. Why anyone thinks they will survive Armageddon or TEOTWAWKI or any other prime time event is beyond me. Sometimes I think I'm lucky if I make it through the day.
Oh, that dying well thing? 101 at the hands of a jealous lover if I'm lucky.
BENESSE
10-07-2010, 04:57 PM
I have to give you an atta boy on that post. Why anyone thinks they will survive Armageddon or TEOTWAWKI or any other prime time event is beyond me. Sometimes I think I'm lucky if I make it through the day.
Oh, that dying well thing? 101 at the hands of a jealous lover if I'm lucky.
What if Mrs. Rick doesn't feel like waiting that long?
Uh oh. I sense a fly in the ointment. Perhaps I should invest in attack geese.
BENESSE
10-07-2010, 05:03 PM
Uh oh. I sense a fly in the ointment. Perhaps I should invest in attack geese.
Hey, who you callin' ointment?!
The only thing I call a woman with two knives is, "ma'am".
wareagle69
10-07-2010, 05:09 PM
see i arrogantly thought this thread was about me hmm
am i cocky arrogant-you bet your sweet azz i am, but i also am the first to back it up and i train very hard to perfect what i do
the problem with plans is most have no realistic training to implement these ideas and no alternate plans.
i try to always keep an open mind, what i think will work in this situation may not when it happens-
heres the problem- sure you can go to camp on a normal friday and play all weekend and think that will be enough when the time comes, but to do it long term, and by long term i say 3 months to a year-----under allot of stress------- will be the breaking point for most- you just cannot recreate the stress on you and your family and neighbors when shtf--- i have no family or freinds so i am half way there already
Alaskan Survivalist
10-07-2010, 05:13 PM
How pathetic is it that a person could live and not find anything of greater worth than thier own continued existence, especially when you are on the downhill side of it.
scottmphoto
10-07-2010, 05:15 PM
I don't know if I'll be able to survive the end of the world or not. The only thing I can do is to be as ready as I can be and hope for the best. The true survivors (besides the stupid lucky ones) will have the ability to improvise and adapt to the situation.
I'm kinda like WarEagle on this one (well we both are tall and stunningly handsome, but besides that...focus people) If I'm good at something I do, it's because I practiced lots to get it right. Should I pretend I'm not so that some yahoo doesn't get the wrong impression of me?
Do I want to survive the end of the world? Not particularly.
BENESSE
10-07-2010, 05:37 PM
WE & Trax forgot to mention (too humble, I guess) that they're also clairvoyant since they know exactly what's coming and what they're preparing for.
Sourdough
10-07-2010, 05:59 PM
I should point out I was NOT thinking of this Forum or any of its members. I was just reading stuff this morning. And it seemed everything started with a question like: Whats your plan for meat. To which they then list their 42 goats, 136 head of cattle, 26 chickens, etc. It just strikes me that we all think we have out prepared everyone else. I just feel we all have over estimated how ready we are. I wonder if under it all is not the knowing the suppressed fear of what our fate may be. "Ask Not for Whom the bell doth toll, for it tolls for thee".
Follow me on this folks. The END OF THE WORLD. That doesn't mean the end of grass or the end of sheep or even the end of chain superstores. It's the bloody end of the world. Somehow I picture the dinosaurs on a primitive survival forum talking about when the AHTOWC (Asteroid Hits the Oscillating Wind Currents. Hey! They didn't have fans back then). No doubt one of them intended to bug out and another had a bunker he was gonna hide in. Look where all that planning got them. Extinct.
AS - "How pathetic is it that a person could live and not find anything of greater worth than thier own continued existence..."
Yeah but if my existence doesn't continue then I really don't care about anything else anyway. You know? I'll take pathetic for 20 Alex.
BENESSE
10-07-2010, 06:28 PM
Who knew?!
'Zactly. How do you survive that?
NightShade
10-07-2010, 07:29 PM
'Zactly. How do you survive that?
easy..... you don't.
perfect example of what I always say:2:.... You CAN'T prepare for EVERYTHING... no matter how hard you try..... enjoy the short time you have.. life is precious!
Be ready and prepare for when SHTF... and goodluck preparing for armagedon!
rwc1969
10-07-2010, 07:44 PM
You can plan for everything but anything.
Nothing wrong with being sure of yourself, but life and ma nature have showed me enough to know that no matter how well you prepare things can always go awry.
Best to expect the unexpected and hope for the best.
Alaskan Survivalist
10-07-2010, 07:48 PM
Unless wilderness survival is being discussed I have absolutely nothing incommon you people.
BENESSE
10-07-2010, 07:58 PM
I sure hope that's not true AS.
Doesn't urban wilderness count?
Alaskan Survivalist
10-07-2010, 08:03 PM
I sure hope that's not true AS.
Doesn't urban wilderness count?
That was a knee jerk reaction. I'm not the only one that does not want to see Rick in a thong either. I just wish the forum stayed more focused. But we've been there before.
That's why I prepare for natural disasters and forget about the other stuff. Economic collapse, Yellowstone blowing it's cork. I can have a direct impact on making my home more secure from fire. I can't do a thing about Yellowstone. Control what I can. What I can't control then I influence what I can. If I can't control or influence then Fa get about it.
Alaskan Survivalist
10-07-2010, 08:26 PM
The thing is whatever the problem the solution to all of them seems to be the the same answer. OK, on some forums it's just buy guns but most have a balanced approach to survival.
Sourdough
10-07-2010, 08:40 PM
It just seems everyone is operating on the same assumptions, and there is very little thinking "OUTSIDE The BOX".
I will say that I wish there was a lot more field tests, like the stuff that Alaskan Survivalist does. I am very surprised that on every Monday there is not ten reports of debris shelters built.
Erratus Animus
10-07-2010, 09:17 PM
We are all arrogant at times but I also think that many an insecure person mistakes confidence for arrogance. Let's not forget remaining positive is named over and over as one of the reasons ppl survived. We each must weigh in on whether it is too much or not.
My brother is dying. I don't mean like we are all dying but I mean my best friend and the person that has been my constant compaion since his birth is not expected to make it but a few more weeks or days. I sit with him everyday I am off and take him into the woods we ruled and love in a buggy just to try and keep his spirit going, but as of today he will not be able to do this ever again.
I write all this to say that in all your preparations for whatever you are preparing for the reality of the death of a loved one has away of placing into perspective life and survival as well of what the price of survival is.
So many other things to say about this matter but I am at a loss to articulate it right now.
crashdive123
10-07-2010, 09:22 PM
I now belong to several of these "Survival Type Forums" and if someone asked me what is common through out the survival community, it is Arrogance, Pride & and a Cock-sureness that they are smart, they are going to survive, they know everything. And what ever their plan of action is....... it is the most well thought out, brilliant plan, and that they have thought of everything.
In all fairness I guess I am as arrogant as anyone. One thing is for sure when you play musical chairs...............when the music STOPS it going to be over for someone. I wonder what I will wish I knew.......that I don't even know that I don't Know.
As to your original theory, I'm not so sure it is Arrogance, pride and cock-sureness. Often it seems more like a romanticizing and living vibrantly through fantasy.
BENESSE
10-07-2010, 09:24 PM
I am so sorry EA.
Suffering and death of a loved one is sometimes harder to accept than your own.
I wish you strength and courage during this difficult time.
klickitat
10-07-2010, 09:29 PM
If you know how to hunt/gather, make what you need and can adapt, you have a better chance of surviving than those that can't.
If you have those skills then you know.
Alaskan Survivalist
10-07-2010, 09:40 PM
What gets me is when people credit you with a way of thinking thats just not right. To somebody living in the states going to Alaska may seem like a great adventure but to us that live here it is common place and no big deal. I don't think living here is any big deal or the things we do so how could we be arrogent talking about it. It's others that think it's a big deal and transfew that to the way we supposedly think.
Sourdough
10-07-2010, 09:41 PM
As to your original theory, I'm not so sure it is Arrogance, pride and cock-sureness. Often it seems more like a romanticizing and living vibrantly through fantasy.
YES, I agree and the distinction is that someone coming out of military basic training/boot camp has just done it and is correct to have a pride, cock-sureness. I see your distinction, thank you, very astute observation...
doug1980
10-07-2010, 09:47 PM
I just hope I am not one of those that are arrogant, proud or full of cock-sureness. I don't think I am, but I have been wrong once or twice.
Erratus Animus
10-07-2010, 09:49 PM
What gets me is when people credit you with a way of thinking thats just not right. To somebody living in the states going to Alaska may seem like a great adventure but to us that live here it is common place and no big deal. I don't think living here is any big deal or the things we do so how could we be arrogent talking about it. It's others that think it's a big deal and transfew that to the way we supposedly think.
It is that way everywhere.
Sourdough
10-07-2010, 09:59 PM
What gets me is when people credit you with a way of thinking thats just not right. To somebody living in the states going to Alaska may seem like a great adventure but to us that live here it is common place and no big deal. I don't think living here is any big deal or the things we do so how could we be arrogent talking about it. It's others that think it's a big deal and transfer that to the way we supposedly think.
I think the Alaskan lifestyle is way more outdoors oriented than most other places. What impresses me is people doing it and reporting on what worked and what did not work.
The whole wilderness survival stuff seems to be mostly theory and talk and very little boots in the field, and not just here but all of the forums are 98% talk. And very little reporting on the weekend outing. At least "Blue Tarp Amy" spent 11 days naked lost in the Alaska Wilderness. She made every mistake in the book, but she at least did it.
crashdive123
10-07-2010, 10:24 PM
What gets me is when people credit you with a way of thinking thats just not right. To somebody living in the states going to Alaska may seem like a great adventure but to us that live here it is common place and no big deal. I don't think living here is any big deal or the things we do so how could we be arrogent talking about it. It's others that think it's a big deal and transfew that to the way we supposedly think.
I don't know that it is a transference of anything other than Alaska is a place that many have not experienced. I've been in 49 of 50 states, and when time and money allows, it will be 50. I am struck by the beauty of many places that I have traveled. I'm sure Alaska will be no different. In that respect, I suppose it is an adventure, but so was unrolling a sleeping bag only a few feet from the western rim of the Grand Canyon. Camp (my motorcycle and sleeping bag) were set up in the dark. Sunrise was my first glimpse of the majestic beauty of the canyon. It was a view I'll never forget - just as watching porpoises dance across the bow of a submarine around the time of sunset. Adventure? Maybe. Being appreciative of the beauty that surrounded me? Most definitely.
I think these forums do 2 things:
1) People can gather/share ideas about bushcraft in general.
2) Play it like one of those facebook/myspace games. You collect your stuff, make points in your own head lol, and live, as someone else said, in a sort of fantasy state while you play this "game".
The great thing is, if/when things do ever get bad...or someone is actually stuck in a TRUE survival situation...A lot of this stuff will probably save lives. That is why I like this "game" of acquiring knowledge points and upgrading our arsenals. No plan will ever work out very neatly, but it is always nice to have a good basis to work from.
As far as the arrogant ones...well, those are the kids you hear about chopping each other apart in real life while playing dungeons and dragons ya know. Survival of the fittest often does include those buggers lol.
Alaskan Survivalist
10-08-2010, 03:12 AM
I know I have been acused of being condesending so being the great intellect that I am I looked it up in the dictionary to see what it meant. It said being gracious to inferiors. I thank you all for the compliment.
Boots in the field in one location is quite different than boots in the field somewhere else. I spend what I consider a fair amount of time in the woods but I've never really considered posting on stuff I just do all the time.
Places like AK or Montana hold a pretty glamorous calling based on years of exotic stories and beautiful pictures. I think all of us are lured by the "marketing". If all those stories had been about death and discomfort followed with gory pictures about how folks died then both states would be more sparsely populated than they are. It goes back to your "real man" post and what folks think a real man is "supposed" to be.
BENESSE
10-08-2010, 08:59 AM
It just seems everyone is operating on the same assumptions, and there is very little thinking "OUTSIDE The BOX".
I will say that I wish there was a lot more field tests, like the stuff that Alaskan Survivalist does. I am very surprised that on every Monday there is not ten reports of debris shelters built.
SD, most of us are in different boxes from you so going outside of it means something entirely different for each one of us.
For me, living where I do, doesn't allow much of anything y'all from AK accomplish just by walking out your front door. You can probably practice building a debris shelter every day on the way to your outhouse while I have to get on a bus or train across one of the rivers to some remote area and hope no one's there to harass me.
This doesn't mean I'm not interested in learning how to do it. That, and a gazillion other things that I might never put to the test. But if and when I do, I'm sure I'll know more than I did before. Compared to people around me, I'm way outside the box. Compared to you, I'm in a box inside another box. But I got me 2 good knives and that's not a bad way to start busting out. :cool:
klickitat
10-08-2010, 09:25 AM
It just seems everyone is operating on the same assumptions, and there is very little thinking "OUTSIDE The BOX".
I will say that I wish there was a lot more field tests, like the stuff that Alaskan Survivalist does. I am very surprised that on every Monday there is not ten reports of debris shelters built.
I think there are those who don't put boots in the field, but I also think that for those who do, it's just not remarkable enough to chronicle with photos.
Take for instance a debris shelter; as a kid playing in the back woods everyone built these and we called them "forts" I must have built a hundred of them for fun. I don't do it know because I have a tent or a tarp. Why post a picture of a piece of plastic strung up?
As I got older and financially better off, I also discovered that I liked comfort and could afford it. I didn't have to survive, but I realized I could live in the woods.
Then you have scheduling. School, kids' sports and recently for me the taking of my faith seriously which puts me at church every Sunday, starts to limit time in the field. On top of that my last trip into the bush to play was cut short by health issues.
I do not feel your statement was towards me and if it was, oh well. My statement back to you is stop and think that maybe there are reasons people are not out there all the time.
I think a lot of people like to share information and have a good back ground and plenty of experience even if they do not do it every day. I build a house now and then and use pneumatic nail guns and miter saws and laser transit. That does not mean that I do no know how to use an 20 oz Vahn and hand saw and a tape.
BTW Sourdough, this is in no way an attack on you. I have a lot of respect for what you do. I am just throwing out there a reason why not everyone does not have a lifestyle like yours.
DOGMAN
10-08-2010, 02:10 PM
I think the Alaskan lifestyle is way more outdoors oriented than most other places. What impresses me is people doing it and reporting on what worked and what did not work.
The whole wilderness survival stuff seems to be mostly theory and talk and very little boots in the field, and not just here but all of the forums are 98% talk. And very little reporting on the weekend outing. At least "Blue Tarp Amy" spent 11 days naked lost in the Alaska Wilderness. She made every mistake in the book, but she at least did it.
I am usually doing some "boots in the field" type of thing 365 days a year (at least for part of the day). I could go on and on for hours about different gear, equipment and techniques but I don't have the time. I come here more for a little socialization than I do to share my experiences. I kinda look at this forum as a break from normal wilderness/back-woods based life...but not so far-off that I cant relate to people.
kyratshooter
10-08-2010, 02:11 PM
One of the reasons I enjoy this group is that most of the "survival forums" are dominated by narcisistic personality disorders as indicated in the OP.
There is also the lack of true parinoid types. Preping and survival does not have to be about that. Stored food is what everyone did when I was a kid. The store was for what you could not make or grow. That attitude is present here.
We do have differences in environment. There are some other forums where that is not considered. If you don't live in the desert you are not surviving. If you don't run through the jungle you are not surviving. If you are not in Alaska you are not surviving.
I will probably never engage in true "wilderness survival". It is difficult for me to find a place where I can sit down in the firest and NOT hear traffic on a border road. That was one thing I noted on the AT when I was hiking, in the middle of the night I could still hear cars.
This forum is a long trip away from the norm of survival forums, where everyones plan is shoot them and loot them, then set up your own little empire filled with drone farmers and sex slaves.
:tabletalk:
Alaskan Survivalist
10-08-2010, 03:15 PM
I like to read of everyones doings and how they do it. This may sound odd but I am encouraged that we will survive when I see people become self reliant to whatever degree they do. Do you really think it is any different doing something up on the Yukon than it is in my training area 300 yards from my house? My approach to survival is mainly from the homesteading perspective where you develop the land. I love seeing those that do it in the city and even more by those that do it in an apartment. I find window gardens fascinating! I like seeing how people pack thier cars and plan an escape from urban areas. I think we should all share our experience and not give any thought to how impressive you think it is. There is always the the question of "How do you get there from here" and at whatever stage you are at there will be somebody reading that is where you are at or maybe a lessor stage of preparation that will be encouraged by your post and say "I can do that" and do it.
Benesse, If you would like to practice the kind of skill I think would serve you well if you move to a more remote area build a log cabin. Just a model, get a couple of sticks, cut them in small lenghts, size them, notch them and stack them. It's same thing without the heavy lifting and you will understand what it takes to do it for real and be able to do with some log handling skills.
beetlejuicex3
10-08-2010, 03:36 PM
This forum is a long trip away from the norm of survival forums, where everyones plan is shoot them and loot them, then set up your own little empire filled with drone farmers and sex slaves.
:tabletalk:
Thank goodness for that, I've been to some scary forums recently. Everyone wants to know how to win a sniper battle and what ammunition is the best mankiller and what about chemtrails. Reprehensible and crazy stuff that give gun owners and people who love the outdoors a bad rep.
I agree with Rick, if your goal is to survive armageddon, you won't. And if you do at first, you'll eventually wish you hadn't. What is seldom addressed on many forums is how to prevent these scenarios from happening. How to be politically active or participate in our communities to make them safer and better.
Alaskan Survivalist
10-08-2010, 03:56 PM
Thank goodness for that, I've been to some scary forums recently. Everyone wants to know how to win a sniper battle and what ammunition is the best mankiller and what about chemtrails. Reprehensible and crazy stuff that give gun owners and people who love the outdoors a bad rep.
I agree with Rick, if your goal is to survive armageddon, you won't. And if you do at first, you'll eventually wish you hadn't. What is seldom addressed on many forums is how to prevent these scenarios from happening. How to be politically active or participate in our communities to make them safer and better.
I'm a hard core "Doomer" and burying your head in the sand will not help at all. Like you I am into solutions. Nothing will "fix" things what we must do is prepare to deal with it. I prefer self reliance to bloodshed but human history is what it is. Those that give up before it begins won't stand a chance.
finallyME
10-08-2010, 06:36 PM
If you think survival forums have cocky people, you should read other forums. It is the nature of the forum. A forum is set up to attract the type of people that enjoy or relate to the specific topic. Generally people are cocky when talking about a subject they know about. And then there is that thing that people don't like looking like a fool in front of others, even in anonymity on the internet.
rwc1969
10-08-2010, 09:20 PM
... What impresses me is people doing it and reporting on what worked and what did not work.
The whole wilderness survival stuff seems to be mostly theory and talk and very little boots in the field, and not just here but all of the forums are 98% talk. And very little reporting on the weekend outing. At least "Blue Tarp Amy" spent 11 days naked lost in the Alaska Wilderness. She made every mistake in the book, but she at least did it.
I agree for the most part, but, not all forums are that way!
Im just glad I don't have the "have to be prepared mindset" as I'd be worried all the time. It's not possible to be fully prepared. Even the govt's with their vast unlimited resourses, both human and capital, can not be fully prepared...and they have people who are paid very well, or not so well, to worry, plan, and exercise 24/7.
I do this stuff because I enjoy it, if it prepares me for some god awful event then that's just a bonus in my eyes.
Part of the reason the do-ers aren't reporting in is because they don't have the time. They're too busy doing. What would I rather do, post here or hit the woods? Hit the woods!
When I get home I'm tired and then I have to get ready for work, school, etc. There's just not enough time in the day.
I really got to hand it to the folks that "do it", and then report back by words, video, pics etc. Because it's not an easy task and it takes one really wanting to help others, brag, or sell something to be able to pull it off. And I don't judge them for their reasoning if the info is good.
Especially if you're doing pictorials or videos, because it takes a lot of time just to do that, then you have to go around and post it on the forums. I spend 4-12 hours in the woods a week and am lucky to get a half hour worth of halfway decent video or pics. Then I spend another 4 hours or so putting it all together and posting, I don't even post most of my vids.
My hats also go off to anyone serving in the armed forces. But, that doesn't automatically make you an all knowing god of survival, preparedness, etc. either. In my experience it makes most of the kids coming back more vulnerable because they think their the shizzle for rizzle, but in a situation most would fizzle. Today's military brainwashes these kids into thinking their above all and invulnerable, and that's a bad thing IMO. Working in a well organized and fortified team with overwhelming military superiority is a whole lot different than getting lost by yourself in the woods in the middle of winter or simply trying to convince a work associate to think your way.
When you have to win the respect, and get cooperation from the people around you, on their terms, or work with ma nature on here terms it's a whole different ball game.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy into the holier than though mentallity that is sweeping the nation when it comes to military, police, fire, etc. They're just people doing a job like any other IMO. I respect them for what they do, but don't give them an extra consideration because of it, they chose their profession just like everyone else.
Do I feel a police officer would be more eqipped to keep people in line than myself? Yes, but I don't think his family deserves to live any more than my own or any other. Do I feel a "kid" coming back from service deserves a better chance at getting a job than me? Yes, because he was displaced from home and may need that advantage.
I guess that's why folks are different. I know I have to plan but I don't worry about it. If you have a plan and practice that plan then there really is nothing to worry about. I know that sooner or later a tornado or winter storm or summer storm or something of the like is going to happen. It's inevitable. I can't change it only react to it. No point in worrying about what I can't change.
Wise Old Owl
10-08-2010, 09:34 PM
Hey, who you callin' ointment?!
Read the post again... he called you Fly.... Like Mc Fly!:fisticuffs:
Nothing personal just addin to the hummmmor...
Arrogant?
It's good to be the King.....Mel Brooks
hunter63
10-08-2010, 09:44 PM
So, like, that was kinda fun....What are we?
I suspect:
Mostly guys and gals, thinking for your self, getting by, liking the out doors, wanting to take care of themselves, and your "folks", liking to "do for your self" in as many things as you can.
And share them........
I guess I am all those thing at one time or another...............'course that just my opinion..........
Batch
10-08-2010, 11:05 PM
I was going over my quad accident with my older brother. He said he could never be trapped under a quad.
ALL of your plans and training are for the expected. Your survival situation will be unexpected and life threatening.
You can not expect the unexpected by definition. But, you can learn to expect and avoid alot of problems.
BENESSE
10-08-2010, 11:12 PM
Read the post again... he called you Fly.... Like Mc Fly!:fisticuffs:
Nothing personal just addin to the hummmmor...
Arrogant?
It's good to be the King.....Mel Brooks
Like, I..know!?
I was joshing with ol' Rick...I did get what he was calling me but I was obtuse on purpose?
Well now that I had to explain it, it ain't funny no more.
Maybe I was just talking to myself.
Alaskan Survivalist
10-09-2010, 01:42 AM
I agree for the most part, but, not all forums are that way!
Im just glad I don't have the "have to be prepared mindset" as I'd be worried all the time. It's not possible to be fully prepared. Even the govt's with their vast unlimited resourses, both human and capital, can not be fully prepared...and they have people who are paid very well, or not so well, to worry, plan, and exercise 24/7.
I do this stuff because I enjoy it, if it prepares me for some god awful event then that's just a bonus in my eyes.
Part of the reason the do-ers aren't reporting in is because they don't have the time. They're too busy doing. What would I rather do, post here or hit the woods? Hit the woods!
When I get home I'm tired and then I have to get ready for work, school, etc. There's just not enough time in the day.
I really got to hand it to the folks that "do it", and then report back by words, video, pics etc. Because it's not an easy task and it takes one really wanting to help others, brag, or sell something to be able to pull it off. And I don't judge them for their reasoning if the info is good.
Especially if you're doing pictorials or videos, because it takes a lot of time just to do that, then you have to go around and post it on the forums. I spend 4-12 hours in the woods a week and am lucky to get a half hour worth of halfway decent video or pics. Then I spend another 4 hours or so putting it all together and posting, I don't even post most of my vids.
My hats also go off to anyone serving in the armed forces. But, that doesn't automatically make you an all knowing god of survival, preparedness, etc. either. In my experience it makes most of the kids coming back more vulnerable because they think their the shizzle for rizzle, but in a situation most would fizzle. Today's military brainwashes these kids into thinking their above all and invulnerable, and that's a bad thing IMO. Working in a well organized and fortified team with overwhelming military superiority is a whole lot different than getting lost by yourself in the woods in the middle of winter or simply trying to convince a work associate to think your way.
When you have to win the respect, and get cooperation from the people around you, on their terms, or work with ma nature on here terms it's a whole different ball game.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy into the holier than though mentallity that is sweeping the nation when it comes to military, police, fire, etc. They're just people doing a job like any other IMO. I respect them for what they do, but don't give them an extra consideration because of it, they chose their profession just like everyone else.
Do I feel a police officer would be more eqipped to keep people in line than myself? Yes, but I don't think his family deserves to live any more than my own or any other. Do I feel a "kid" coming back from service deserves a better chance at getting a job than me? Yes, because he was displaced from home and may need that advantage.
"A picture is worth a thousand words" and much easier.
rwc1969
10-09-2010, 02:23 AM
True, true, true. And it's harder to take a pic or vid out of context.
BENESSE
10-09-2010, 11:32 AM
I like to read of everyones doings and how they do it. This may sound odd but I am encouraged that we will survive when I see people become self reliant to whatever degree they do. Do you really think it is any different doing something up on the Yukon than it is in my training area 300 yards from my house? My approach to survival is mainly from the homesteading perspective where you develop the land. I love seeing those that do it in the city and even more by those that do it in an apartment. I find window gardens fascinating! I like seeing how people pack thier cars and plan an escape from urban areas. I think we should all share our experience and not give any thought to how impressive you think it is. There is always the the question of "How do you get there from here" and at whatever stage you are at there will be somebody reading that is where you are at or maybe a lessor stage of preparation that will be encouraged by your post and say "I can do that" and do it.
Benesse, If you would like to practice the kind of skill I think would serve you well if you move to a more remote area build a log cabin. Just a model, get a couple of sticks, cut them in small lenghts, size them, notch them and stack them. It's same thing without the heavy lifting and you will understand what it takes to do it for real and be able to do with some log handling skills.
That's a great idea, AS.
But what I want to try first, because I am intrigued and feel that I just might be able to swing it, is that Center Pole Structure. (got it bookmarked and printed out!) I'd really, really like to do it full size and see if it'll hold. Got the tarp, got the hatchet, got the paracord. Now all I can think about is where we can get away for a weekend and give it a whirl.
So many things to do, so little time!
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