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huskymill
09-15-2010, 02:30 PM
i have no idea if this thread is in the right section or not, but i was wondering what your thoughts on learning how to pick locks, or any other kind of entry methods. i never really thought about it in terms of survival, but back when i was in highschool it was kind of a hobby of mine to try to pick any lock i could find, usually just the doors to my house. but since highschool ive learned my other methods for getting past locks. and really i dont think its a bad topic to think about. one example being bump keys. i made a set for myself probably a year or two ago. and if you dont know what they are, they are keys that have been filed down in a certain way so that with the right technique they will open any lock they fit into. if you want to know more you can either look them up on google and youtube or you can ask me but im not exactly an expert, i just know more than the average guy.
Old GI
09-15-2010, 03:29 PM
I've used a 12 gauge lock pick before with some success.

If you're talking about surreptitious entry, that's a whole different ball game. Maybe one of the brethren in blue will be drop by here to let you know about "possession of burglary tools".
Rick
09-15-2010, 03:56 PM
That was my first thought as well. I don't think I'd want to have them on me if I got stopped for any reason.
your_comforting_company
09-15-2010, 04:40 PM
I certainly can't see any reason to have that as a skill, nor the equipment, except maybe to clean under my fingernails or something. All my resources are outside peoples homes, and in the woods.
I'd rather die trying to fend for myself than break in and take what belongs to someone else... but that's just me.
Nope, I have no use for it.
Justin Case
09-15-2010, 04:45 PM
+1 YCC,, If I ever need to open a lock for whatever reason , lost key etc, Bolt cutters work well,,
Swamprat1958
09-15-2010, 05:12 PM
+1 YCC,, If I ever need to open a lock for whatever reason , lost key etc, Bolt cutters work well,,

+2, I use a bolt cutter all the time on properties that I help manage. I cut the chain and insert a new lock so that my crew and will have keys to0 get in when needed. We buy a bunch of locks.
huntermj
09-15-2010, 05:38 PM
You don't need to learn to pick locks.
As a glazier i can enter about 99% of all commercial buildings and close them back up without anyone knowing.
Its about understanding how storefront doors and windows are put together.
It is really quite easy with just a few special tools.
Private homes almost always have a week spot like patio sliding doors or people just don't lock a window.
Now all i need is a truck an alarm guy and i have a new career.
Justin Case
09-15-2010, 06:45 PM
You don't need to learn to pick locks.
As a glazier i can enter about 99% of all commercial buildings and close them back up without anyone knowing.
Its about understanding how storefront doors and windows are put together.
It is really quite easy with just a few special tools.
Private homes almost always have a week spot like patio sliding doors or people just don't lock a window.
Now all i need is a truck an alarm guy and i have a new career.

You may want to consider a bullet proof vest as well :innocent:
Rick
09-15-2010, 06:45 PM
Huntermj is correct. According to the FBI's Crime in America, the majority of burglaries involved "unlawful entry", which means entry was gained without the use of force: usually through unlocked doors or windows.
canid
09-15-2010, 07:03 PM
i taught myself to first jimmy and then pick locks from a young age, out of curiosity and boredom [and living in an rather secured/restrictive woman's shelter for a while]. locks, like most mechanisms and electronics are naturally attractive to the type of mind that just needs to figure things out.

the skill - while being easily abused by a dishonest person - is a handy one, and i have saved many a friend a $100+ visit from a locksmith.
Rick
09-15-2010, 07:24 PM
More importantly, how do you manage to live in a women's shelter. That's like a dream come true. Forget the rest of this preparedness stuff, fess up, man, fess up!!!
oldsoldier
09-15-2010, 07:41 PM
Guess I'm the odd man out here, I have a set of "picks" also have the "slim jims" and electronic "picks" that I got when I went to a out of business sale. I have used them 3 times all to help people who had locked them selves out. One of which was a County sherriff's deputy that locked his keys in his cruiser at a local grocery store. That is the ONLY reason IMHO for them to help others LEGALLY.
huntermj
09-15-2010, 07:50 PM
No bullet resistant vest required if you do it right. But that is the only thing that has stopped me from perusing this career, its all or nothing. Have you ever seen the movie "way of the gun" That pretty much summed it up for me. your either in or your out.
canid
09-15-2010, 07:56 PM
with my mother and sisters as a child after a bad divorce.
huntermj
09-15-2010, 08:00 PM
Whats a good divorce? When it comes to the kids , theirs bad divorces and really bad divorces.
klickitat
09-15-2010, 08:11 PM
around where I live, we have large tracks of land behind timber company gates. The locks are set up so that you need to reach up to your elbow with a key to open the lock. The gates are open much of the year. However it is not uncommon to get locked behind the gates. For this reason, I have a small portable acetylene torch. This will take care of any lock or for that matter any gate.
canid
09-15-2010, 10:15 PM
another consideration:

leasers often illegally place locking gates on public multiple use land parcels, to impede trafic [read: obstruct lawful public use] or to retain livestock. i consider it a public service to defeat this practice.

i've even seed no trespassing signs and a locked gate run across a paved public road in lake or mendocino county.
huskymill
09-15-2010, 10:23 PM
just so you all know, i have never picked a lock that i didnt have permision from the owners to pick. hey some people do jigsaw puzzles i play with locks. and of course you dont always have to know how to pick the lock to get through the door. there are many other ways of beating security. the more i learned about how locks work, the more unsecure i felt. take a masterlock m1 padlock for example. the thing is built solid. you can shoot it with a 9mm pistol and it will stay locked, but the locking mechanism is very insecure. you take a small bit of metal and play around with it and the thing will open in minutes. it just kinda taught me that what we think is high security may not be as good as we think
Justin Case
09-15-2010, 10:41 PM
Locks only keep honest people honest,,, (is that how the saying goes ?)
Beo
09-16-2010, 10:55 AM
Hmmm, been a while but the standard tumbler lock is fairly easy to pick, lets see if this works.

Pin tumbler lock pick (ing) is pretty easy and one a few I can handle, even with homemade lock picks. Most pin tumbler locks have four or five pins. These types of locks include most padlocks which are not combination, deadbolts, doorknob locks, and cars, which usually have double sided pin tumbler locks. These locks offer the best security for their price, but, as their price is generally pretty low, they do not offer much security against an amateur locksmith such as yourself.
These locks consist of a cylindrical shaft, inside of which is a rotating plug. The key goes into a vertical slit (keyhole) going into the plug. Drilled into the shaft and plug are holes, into which two (or more) pins fit on top of each other, two (or more) pins per hole (typically four or five holes). The pin on top is springloaded, and called the driving pin, the pin below (going into the plug) is the key pin. The point at which the key pin must reach in order for the plug to spin (and the lock to open) is called the shear point. When all pins are exactly aligned at the shear point, the plug is free to rotate within the shaft and the lock will open. Locks that have master keys and/or submaster keys are especially easy locks to pick because there is more than one shear point for each pin.
To pick them is just a matter of putting the pins at their shear point, one by one. The reason picking works for these locks is because they are crappily made, or worn down, especially outdoor padlocks made by Master brand. When one pin reaches its shear point when you push it up with a pick while applying tension with the tension wrench, the plug rotates ever so slightly, just enough for it to squeeze the driving pin between the plug and the shaft, thus pinching it so that when you release your pick (not the tension wrench) the driving pin will stay in the shaft and out of the plug. Do this to each pin, and the plug will rotate, the driving pins will stay in the shaft, and the key pins will drop down to their lowest point in the plug once your pick is removed (unlike with a key where the key pins stay up at the shear point). To prove that you have at least one pin in the correct position when attempting to pick, release the tension on the tension wrench and you should hear (and feel if your good) a click; that’s the driving pin falling down (actually being pushed down by the spring) onto the key pin. If you are picking a five pin tumbler lock, and slowly release the tension, you should be able to hear the clicks one by one if you had several pins at their shear point. If you hear five clicks but the lock did not open when you held tension, that means that the pins were pushed too far up and the key pin is now pinched between the plug/shaft interface where the shear point is, blocking the plug from rotating freely within the shaft. Remedy? Use less tension and push the pins up slowly, with more care.
Note that picking pin tumbler locks requires them to be imprecise and worn. By this, I mean that the four or five pins are not aligned in a perfectly straight line. They are slightly staggered, allowing for the savvy locksmith to pick the pins one by one (in the correct order, which you have to figure out by feel or chance). The problem is, since picking them requires the lock to be imprecise and worn, locks that are not can be very difficult to pick if they are in a perfectly straight line, such as Best brand padlocks or deadbolts and new locks. These typically require either A: lots of tension, or B: pushing multiple pins to their respective shear points at the same time, or both A and B. In this situation, I would not recommend hook picks, as they suck for picking multiple pins at the same time, use a snake or a rake, and hope to get lucky jiggling.
My advice to you for picking car locks, which usually have 10 pins and are a double sided pin tumbler lock (pins on both top and bottom, hence the horizontal symmetry of car keys) is don’t even try. The pin pair (the pins directly opposite each other in the vertical direction) must both be pushed to their shear points at the same time. This is pretty freakin hard to do. Get a pick gun if you really want, but realize that this is a tool for thieves and are a disgrace to the art of lock picking and are considered criminal tools in some states. No offense to those who just are afraid of locking their keys in their cars. There are other ways getting your keys if you locked them inside, which are much easier and time efficient than picking the lock, the three most common methods, air wedge, slim jim, and jiggler keys.

Any other locks would take me a while but with time and practice any lock can be picked. Remember the best lock pick is a 12 guage as stated earlier... lol.
Beo,

Taken from the LOCKPICKING GUIDE, I use this book if I need to pick a lock because it covers a lot of different lock types, not that I am in need of picking a lot of locks but one never knows.
Beo
09-16-2010, 10:56 AM
Locks only keep honest people honest,,, (is that how the saying goes ?)

Hey JC... If it weren't for locks there would be no thieves... lol.
Justin Case
09-16-2010, 11:18 AM
Hey JC... If it weren't for locks there would be no thieves... lol.

wait.. I dont get it, if you take something that belongs to another, that makes you a dirty thief, whether its locked up or not, IMO ,, :smash:
Beo
09-16-2010, 12:59 PM
If you didnt lock it up I wouldnt have to pick the lock... lol... its a joke bro,
Justin Case
09-16-2010, 01:34 PM
If you didnt lock it up I wouldnt have to pick the lock... lol... its a joke bro,

I knew that :)
Beo
09-16-2010, 01:36 PM
Good, thought I lost you.. lol... and I am not a thief just a lock pick psycho that loves challenges...
Justin Case
09-16-2010, 01:46 PM
Good, thought I lost you.. lol... and I am not a thief just a lock pick psycho that loves challenges...

Yes, i gave you rep for your post on the mechanics of locks,, Complete and accurate, thanks,,
Beo
09-16-2010, 01:54 PM
No problem bro,
Batch
09-16-2010, 06:46 PM
I own several lock pick sets. I have used them several times to open a lock I didn't want to break. Once my helper thought he locked the truck keys in the bin. I opened both padlocks with my pick set. Turned out he dropped them in a bucket of trash he had throw in the jobsite dumpster.

I've open padlocks with hammers, bolt cutters, torches and what not.

I've opened combination locks. I have one gun case that I always forget the lock combo to. But, a quick google will give you how to open a Masterlock combo padlock.

I have opened doors with a pry bar to let a lady in her apartment where she had locked her keys and young baby inside. I've used knives, screwdrivers, credit cards and what not to access meter rooms to energize signs.

I've made dozens of slim jims, used coat hangers and what not to get into cars with keys locked in them.

I was in Daniele Boone National Forest at Raccoon Loop when I locked my truck keys in the truck. I only knew about the route up from the Walmart at the time and was expecting I would have to pay a hefty fee for someone to drive all the way up the mountain to open my door. My buddy took his antenna off of his Toyota and we slid it down and opened the door.

I went to put my keys in my backpack and I realized I had the key fob for my keyless entry in my pack. :hammer:


Anyway, when people hear lockpick they think thief and not locksmith right off. But, getting around locks may become a critical skill at some point and most here have circumvented at least one lock.

Down here, if I have to, I am opening the levy system pad locks. These are gravel levies that can be bee lines towards remote country. I'll fight the entering a WMA in other than a designated entry point problem after shift comes back to normal. LOL
huskymill
09-16-2010, 07:12 PM
masterlock combo locks are easy, you can cut a popcan into about 6 shims. those are probably the easiest locks to get into. i have a friend who was able to get one open with a shovel once too. highschool lockerroom during baseball season he forgot his combo and i wasnt around to help him out
Rick
09-16-2010, 07:18 PM
I can pop the combination locks pretty easy using that method. The key locks take a while and even then I might not unlock it.
huskymill
09-16-2010, 07:25 PM
most key locks ive tried that method on didnt work. also on alot of key locks you have to use 2 shims
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