View Full Version : What is wrong with college grads.
klickitat
09-03-2010, 11:08 AM
This happened to me yesterday.
..and we wonder why this country is falling apart.
I went to South Puget Sound Community College to get my parking permit and books for Fall classes. I have already been registered for weeks.
I show up to the information desk to confirm that everything is in order and get my parking permit and a map of the campus. "We only have out dated maps, but here you go" "Please stand in that line over there for a parking permit."
After 10 minutes in the next line the cashier tells me that I am about to be dropped from the Fall quarter because nothing is paid for. This causes me to run back across town and get the paper work that was never filed. (not my doing, but the bureaucrats in the state) I wait in line for another 10 minutes and finally get my parking permit paid for. Now the nice lady behind the register said, "ok, everything is in the system and you are good to go." "Please go down two doors and present the security office with this paper." Yeah right. "Can I have a copy of that paper work just in case." I still had to go to the book store later and figured I wanted to be safe.
Now I figured that I would get a jump on the system and I had my wife grab the license plate # of the Blazer. WRONG! "Sir do you have your registration?" So back across campus to get my registration. Would have been nice to tell people ahead of time that you might need that. "We hear that about 10 times a day." Blank stare on my face.
So now it is time to get my books. So we walked the other end of campus to the book store and grab my books. At the register I presented the young lady my paper work, because I just knew it wasn't taken care of. She goes to the back and tells me that it was a good thing I had a copy of that, because I was not in the system. (remember I was put into it just an hour ago) Great, so I'll take these. " I am sorry sir you need to go up stares and get a student ID and come back down here" "It's ok though, because I can just hold these back here for you."
Now I go upstairs and get my student ID. As I am leaving the student ID office (that is all they do) The lady behind the desk informs me that I need to return and get a validation sticker at the first of the quarter. When does your office open? 7:00 AM. So I can come in and get that right before class on the first day. "Well not that day. That is our first day back to work and will not be open till 4:00 PM."
Now we wonder why we can't find competent people entering the work force these days. They are trained to be incompetent and wasteful idiots.
DOGMAN
09-03-2010, 11:28 AM
So from what I read, you dealt with several clerks, a cashier, and someone who works for campus security. Normally, none of those job positions require a college degree. If you go back and survey all the people you dealt with, you'll probably find most of them are not college graduates. So that makes your whole post moot.
One thing you'll learn in college is to defend your assertions with facts and prove your point. If you can't prove your theory- its just an opinion....and opinions are like arseholes...everyone has one and some smell worse than others.
The odds are pretty good most of them were students. In any case, welcome to college my friend. It's that way all over and it has always been that way. Wait until you lock your keys in the car in the rain while it's running.......Campus security......(shaking head)
rwc1969
09-03-2010, 11:50 AM
My opinion is that, typically, as college education enters the brain, common sense exits.
I have no stats or such to support my opinion, but, one could argue that the failing American business and government model is a good example worth consideration. I believe many of the leaders and worker bees in those lines of work are college educated, and I also believe it is quite apparent to most that common sense has flew over the chicken fence, wandered out in the road and got ran over by a truck delivering inexpensive, high quality imports to a big box store near you.
klickitat
09-03-2010, 11:50 AM
Dogman, You must be one of the people that went through school and was trained by this system.
The story was the story. The conclusion was about the students who are conditioned to think that this type of inefficiency is the way life, business and bureaucracies are the norm.
The Administration of this school should be fired. The employees are not to blame, they are just showing up for a paycheck and do just that. I have owned a couple of business' over the years and if I ever ran a business like this, I would be out of business with in weeks.
Well, thanks a heap there, Bubba. I need to go now. I need to search for my common sense.
Colleges and Universities are generally not private institutions. Certainly can be but most are funded by state dollars. Not likely they will go belly up.
And colleges don't teach inefficiencies. That's your assumption. In fact, it's quite the opposite.
klickitat
09-03-2010, 11:56 AM
Colleges and Universities are generally not private institutions. Certainly can be but most are funded by state dollars. Not likely they will go belly up.
And colleges don't teach inefficiencies. That's your assumption. In fact, it's quite the opposite.
Have you ever heard of Pavlov?
Yeah, he used to be my neighbor. I don't know how many times I called the dog catcher on that guy.
klickitat
09-03-2010, 12:08 PM
Yeah, he used to be my neighbor. I don't know how many times I called the dog catcher on that guy.
I figured you to older, but wow, I was off by a few years.
klickitat
09-03-2010, 12:16 PM
Just so that people do not think that I am just a complainer with no solution....
At orientation that I went to weeks ago, they should include a sheet of paper that tells you the things you need.
Then do away with the student ID office and put it in with Security Office.
These two simple things would not only make things smoother, but would save the college money, by eliminating an office.
Why not write it up and submit it to the Registrar's Office. They might think the handout pretty spiffy. The change in office responsibility might take a bit more doing but it won't happen if no one suggests it.
My opinion is that, typically, as college education enters the brain, common sense exits.
Oh. So tell me.......... just how many years of education and how many degrees are required before someone becomes totally clueless? :sneaky2:
(I may be able to use that as an excuse. :blushing:)
Older than what?
Dirt, Methuselah, the solar system........ Take your pick. :innocent:
crashdive123
09-03-2010, 12:39 PM
Just so that people do not think that I am just a complainer with no solution....
At orientation that I went to weeks ago, they should include a sheet of paper that tells you the things you need.
Then do away with the student ID office and put it in with Security Office.
These two simple things would not only make things smoother, but would save the college money, by eliminating an office.
......or....... When about to take your first steps onto an unfamiliar journey, one could ask those questions ahead of time, and not assume that things will go as you think they should (even if you are right).:innocent:
DOGMAN
09-03-2010, 12:47 PM
Dogman, You must be one of the people that went through school and was trained by this system.
The story was the story. The conclusion was about the students who are conditioned to think that this type of inefficiency is the way life, business and bureaucracies are the norm.
The Administration of this school should be fired. The employees are not to blame, they are just showing up for a paycheck and do just that. I have owned a couple of business' over the years and if I ever ran a business like this, I would be out of business with in weeks.
You hit the nail on the head, when you said
"The employees are not to blame, they are just showing up for a paycheck"
That is the real problem in this country...it transcends education level or degrees. Its just basic laziness- there are unmotivated, ineffictive, and uninspired people holding jobs at all levels, and in all fields- in both the private and public sector in our country. Many people don't want to work anymore, they don't want to make their lives, workplaces, or homes better- they just want to get paid and watch Dancing with the Stars!
crashdive123
09-03-2010, 12:49 PM
The only dancing with the stars I want to see is while lying in a hammock at night.
DOGMAN
09-03-2010, 12:51 PM
At orientation that I went to weeks ago, they should include a sheet of paper that tells you the things you need.
Yeah, "THEY" should include that with the Book "THEY" give you at birth telling you what you'll need for life...lol
The only dancing with the stars I want to see is while lying in a hammock at night.
Yeah! With Steve Miller blasting away in the background? :innocent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnbfq7UIDn0&feature=related
crashdive123
09-03-2010, 01:02 PM
Yeah! With Steve Miller blasting away in the background? :innocent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnbfq7UIDn0&feature=related
I'd rather fly like an eagle.
You realize that you just opened the door, don't you? :innocent:
"There is an eagle in me that wants to soar, and there is a hippopotamus in me that wants to wallow in the mud." Carl Sandburg (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/c/carlsandbu387497.html)
"If You Want to Fly Like an Eagle, Then Stop Hanging Out With Turkeys." Richard Posner (http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=Richard_Posner)
DOGMAN
09-03-2010, 01:10 PM
Ken, I figured you were more into Glenn Miller!
Okay. I'll stop now. :blushing:
Ken, I figured you were more into Glenn Miller!
Jason? We're still friends, ain't we? :sneaky2:
kyratshooter
09-03-2010, 01:35 PM
I worked at a university that "refined" their registration process for 20 years. Finally they found the ideal solution. Flawless flow, total efficiency, complete satisfaction.
The admin changed it the next semister.
Never got it right again.
Dirt, Methuselah, the solar system........ Take your pick.
And just who do you think lit the fuse for the Big Bang (and ran like mad)?
I worked at a university that "refined" their registration process for 20 years. Finally they found the ideal solution. Flawless flow, total efficiency, complete satisfaction.
The admin changed it the next semister.
Never got it right again.
Hell, I taught at a university that couldn't even tell me which campus my scheduled classes were going to be held at. :innocent:
And just who do you think lit the fuse for the Big Bang (and ran like mad)?
That sounds more like a science question than a history question. Is anyone here qualified to answer it? :innocent:
Uh, Just me. That's pretty cool. I can make up the questions and the answers in one fell swoop!
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 01:46 PM
My opinion is that, typically, as college education enters the brain, common sense exits.
I have no stats or such to support my opinion, but, one could argue that the failing American business and government model is a good example worth consideration. I believe many of the leaders and worker bees in those lines of work are college educated, and I also believe it is quite apparent to most that common sense has flew over the chicken fence, wandered out in the road and got ran over by a truck delivering inexpensive, high quality imports to a big box store near you.
I agree with you, 100%!
I've done work at a few college's, at which time I dealt with the admin.....all the way up to the dean.(and met plenty of the prof.'s, in the process)
We used the phrase "educated beyond their intelligence" fairly often, on those jobs. It was their, that I learned that education and intelligence are two totally different things. The problem, is that most educated people think they are smart. This is not the case.:innocent:
Uh, Just me. That's pretty cool. I can make up the questions and the answers in one fell swoop!
Gee. Then I guess that we should give you a title or something.
Justin Case
09-03-2010, 01:47 PM
The only "Big Bang" question I am qualified to talk about involves a girl named Tiffany :blushing:
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 01:48 PM
Just so that people do not think that I am just a complainer with no solution....
At orientation that I went to weeks ago, they should include a sheet of paper that tells you the things you need.
Then do away with the student ID office and put it in with Security Office.
These two simple things would not only make things smoother, but would save the college money, by eliminating an office.
Good for you!
Most people love to complain, but have no solution to the problem at hand.
We used the phrase "educated beyond their intelligence" fairly often, on those jobs.
How about, "hampered by his education?" :innocent:
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 01:49 PM
Oh. So tell me.......... just how many years of education and how many degrees are required before someone becomes totally clueless? :sneaky2:
(I may be able to use that as an excuse. :blushing:)
You have more than enough.:innocent:
The problem, is that most educated people think they are smart. This is not the case.
What!? Education can come from formal schooling, experience or training. WTHey?
the Only "big Bang" Question I Am Qualified To Talk About Involves A Girl Named Tiffany :blushing:
lmao!
,
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 01:51 PM
Dirt, Methuselah, the solar system........ Take your pick. :innocent:
That's what I was gonna say!
Glad I wasn't the first one. Rick sometimes get mad, and turns people into newts!:innocent:
I never get mad. I just turn folks into newts because I have nothing better to do. (shrug)
You have more than enough.:innocent:
Well, that solves one frequently recurring problem. Now I have a valid excuse. :innocent:
I walked on past that line. It was a great straight line but waaaaaaay to easy.
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 01:53 PM
The only "Big Bang" question I am qualified to talk about involves a girl named Tiffany :blushing:
So..........How big was she???:blushing:
Aurelius95
09-03-2010, 01:54 PM
I think the problem lies in what to do about "herding" people. Colleges/universities, schools, DMV, Voting locations on Election Day... they all deal with high volumes of people, short amount of time and space. It's very frustrating.
The Georgia DMV has done a great job of handling people, in my opinion. After making renewals possible online, it greatly reduces the lines. However, inter-departmental communication can still be a pain.
Hopefully next semester will go better for you.
Oh yeah, Justin Case, no need to identify your co-conspirators (Tiffany)
Camp10
09-03-2010, 01:55 PM
The only "Big Bang" question I am qualified to talk about involves a girl named Tiffany :blushing:
Tiff was a big girl?:innocent:
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 01:55 PM
Well, that solves one frequently recurring problem. Now I have a valid excuse. :innocent:
Excuse??? I'm surprised you don't have papers!:innocent:
Justin Case
09-03-2010, 01:56 PM
Tiff was a big girl?:innocent:
"Tiff" ? do you know her too ? :innocent:
Justin Case
09-03-2010, 01:58 PM
Oh yeah, Justin Case, no need to identify your co-conspirators (Tiffany)
but I didn't post the pics :innocent:
I think the problem lies in what to do about "herding" people. Colleges/universities, schools, DMV, Voting locations on Election Day... they all deal with high volumes of people, short amount of time and space. It's very frustrating.
The Georgia DMV has done a great job of handling people, in my opinion. After making renewals possible online, it greatly reduces the lines. However, inter-departmental communication can still be a pain.
Hopefully next semester will go better for you.
Oh yeah, Justin Case, no need to identify your co-conspirators (Tiffany)
Queueing Theory combined with some accurate PERT/CPM analysis should solve that problem. Right, Rick? :innocent:
Excuse??? I'm surprised you don't have papers!:innocent:
Pffffftt! Why would I possibly need papers? I was potty trained at 14 months.
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 02:07 PM
Pffffftt! Why would I possibly need papers? I was potty trained for 14 months.
Potty trained for 14 months?
So, did the training ever take???
Queueing Theory combined with some accurate PERT/CPM analysis should solve that problem. Right, Rick?
I don't know. I'm still looking for my common sense.
BENESSE
09-03-2010, 02:09 PM
Pffffftt! Why would I possibly need papers? I was potty trained at 14 months.
A late bloomer, huh?
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 02:10 PM
Queueing Theory combined with some accurate PERT/CPM analysis should solve that problem. Right, Rick? :innocent:
....or a line.
Just sayin'.:innocent:
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 02:12 PM
I don't know. I'm still looking for my common sense.
Did you have some, at one point? LOL
It's helpful to read the whole thread. Someone, I won't mention any names (rwc) defamed me terribly.
My opinion is that, typically, as college education enters the brain, common sense exits.
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 02:20 PM
It's helpful to read the whole thread. Someone, I won't mention any names (rwc) defamed me terribly.
I read the whole thread.
Now stop avoiding the question. LOL
tsitenha
09-03-2010, 03:34 PM
Education is good I think I have so very little of it.
Grade school... learning starts with a broad level of subjects
High school...you learn about about a specified field of subjects
College/university...
Bachelor..you specialize in more intense study of a few subjects
Masters..you focus on a specific subject and theme
PHD...you choose a very specific narrow topic of a subject
So all in all as education progresses you learn more and more about less and less...
Till you know everything about nothing :tongue_smilie:
canid
09-03-2010, 03:37 PM
oh you don't even have to go to college for that.
Alaskan Survivalist
09-03-2010, 03:44 PM
I heard using the phrase "No Habla Engish" exempts you from having to show papers.
DOGMAN
09-03-2010, 04:06 PM
I couldn't find any statistics that show that college educated people are smarter...
But, I did find studies that show college educated people- in general, make more money in their lifetime, are healthier, happier with their lives, have more successful marriages and are better lovers than people without college degrees!
Actions speak louder than words.
Alaskan Survivalist
09-03-2010, 05:04 PM
Only problem is somebody has to do the work. You can only have so many living off the fruits of others labors so many colledge educated people are having to go to work. I know a lot of guys with degrees loading trucks.
And your point is? In a down economy a lot of folks will be working at whatever they can find to make ends meet. In addition, some folks find they like loading trucks better than the field their degree is in. No biggy if that happens. Good they found their calling.
If you have never performed abdominal surgery then you don't have a basis to form an opinion on how abdominal surgery should be performed. The same is true of hunting elk. The same is true of climbing Mt. Ranier or isolating a problem in a transistorized circuit. It's also true if you do not have a college degree then you can not form the basis of an opinion on the value of a degree since you have no way of knowing what subjects were studied and to what depth.
Not being mean, just stating what should be obvious. But then, we all know about opinions.
Camp10
09-03-2010, 05:16 PM
and are better lovers than people without college degrees!
Actions speak louder than words.
Sounds like its time for a great American f-off!! :clap:
Feel free to remove this post, mods...I know:innocent:
Alaskan Survivalist
09-03-2010, 05:16 PM
And your point is? In a down economy a lot of folks will be working at whatever they can find to make ends meet. In addition, some folks find they like loading trucks better than the field their degree is in. No biggy if that happens. Good they found their calling.
If you have never performed abdominal surgery then you don't have a basis to form an opinion on how abdominal surgery should be performed. The same is true of hunting elk. The same is true of climbing Mt. Ranier or isolating a problem in a transistorized circuit. It's also true if you do not have a college degree then you can not form the basis of an opinion on the value of a degree since you have no way of knowing what subjects were studied and to what depth.
Not being mean, just stating what should be obvious. But then, we all know about opinions.
It is just as obvious from a working mans perspective that most of them just generate paperwork and someone has to feed them, cloth them, shelter them and do all the things these helpless people cannot do for themselves.
Camp10
09-03-2010, 05:18 PM
It is just as obvious from a working mans perspective that most of them just generate paperwork and someone has to feed them, cloth them, shelter them and do all the things these helpless people cannot do for themselves.
Perhaps, but they sign the checks that keep us working people going..its the great circle of life! I kind of like having people that need the services I know how to provide.
Truly an unfair observation. I've been on both sides of that fence so I fully understand the reason you say that as well as what goes on. It's hardly just shuffling papers, however.
It's no more fair to make that observation than it would be for me to say, "All the working people want is a free ride. They want the money but they don't want to work for it. Productivity just dropped again nationally (which is true, by the way) and that just proves my point." Not a valid observation at all.
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 05:24 PM
I couldn't find any statistics that show that college educated people are smarter...
But, I did find studies that show college educated people- in general, make more money in their lifetime, are healthier, happier with their lives, have more successful marriages and are better lovers than people without college degrees!
Actions speak louder than words.
LOL....you do know that those studies were done by college grads, don't you?:innocent:
Which proves we aren't stupid!
Alaskan Survivalist
09-03-2010, 05:25 PM
Truly an unfair observation. I've been on both sides of that fence so I fully understand the reason you say that as well as what goes on. It's hardly just shuffling papers, however.
It's no more fair to make that observation than it would be for me to say, "All the working people want is a free ride. They want the money but they don't want to work for it. Productivity just dropped again nationally (which is true, by the way) and that just proves my point." Not a valid observation at all.
I used the term MOST not ALL. Is it too late to get your money back for that education?
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 05:25 PM
And your point is? In a down economy a lot of folks will be working at whatever they can find to make ends meet. In addition, some folks find they like loading trucks better than the field their degree is in. No biggy if that happens. Good they found their calling.
If you have never performed abdominal surgery then you don't have a basis to form an opinion on how abdominal surgery should be performed. The same is true of hunting elk. The same is true of climbing Mt. Ranier or isolating a problem in a transistorized circuit. It's also true if you do not have a college degree then you can not form the basis of an opinion on the value of a degree since you have no way of knowing what subjects were studied and to what depth.
Not being mean, just stating what should be obvious. But then, we all know about opinions.
So....male doctors shouldn't tell expecting mothers how to take care of themselves (and their unborn child)????
If they haven't been to college, grad school, post grad school, served their internship and passed their boards, of course not.
I used the term MOST not ALL. Is it too late to get your money back for that education?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that boat has sa.....hey,....wait a minute.
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 05:29 PM
Truly an unfair observation. I've been on both sides of that fence so I fully understand the reason you say that as well as what goes on. It's hardly just shuffling papers, however.
It's no more fair to make that observation than it would be for me to say, "All the working people want is a free ride. They want the money but they don't want to work for it. Productivity just dropped again nationally (which is true, by the way) and that just proves my point." Not a valid observation at all.
Agreed. You have smart and dumb people in and from college. You have smart and dumb people that have never been to college. You have good cops and bad cops. You have dis-honest politicians and.....OK, that one may not apply, but you get my point.:innocent:
BENESSE
09-03-2010, 05:30 PM
So....male doctors shouldn't tell expecting mothers how to take care of themselves (and their unborn child)????
Huh?...and HUH?
Alaskan Survivalist
09-03-2010, 05:31 PM
yeah, I'm Pretty Sure That Boat Has Sa.....hey,....wait A Minute.
Roflmao........
DOGMAN
09-03-2010, 05:31 PM
A college degree is just a piece of paper. I have a college degree- and I run sled dogs and float rivers for a living, and have never lived in a city or held a desk job in my life.
People are just people- I know idiots who went to school, and I know just as many that didn't... there are dumbarse bankers, attorneys, carpenters, truck-drivers, river guides, and survivalist. Going to college can't change the fact that a person is an idiot or not...All a degree means is your a dumbarse banker, attorney, carpenter, truck-driver, river guide, or survivalist who went to college. Like I said, There are some real idiots with degrees and just as many idiots without them....
The sign of true genius (or intellegence) is knowing your weakness, and working to improve upon it...you don't have to a piece of paper to do that- you just have to have the will to make yourself better!
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 05:31 PM
If they haven't been to college, grad school, post grad school, served their internship and passed their boards, of course not.
Using your argument above, if they haven't given birth, they can't really form an opinion about it.:innocent:
DOGMAN
09-03-2010, 05:36 PM
LOL....you do know that those studies were done by college grads, don't you?:innocent:
They were the only people that had time to do the study...the non-educated folks were either too busy performing hard manual labor, or watching Jerry Springer, drinking beer, watching NASCAR, smoking cigarettes, doing meth or having bastard children.:blushing::online2long::innocent:
I absolutely agree. I don't value a college graduate over a ditch digger that never finished high school (no offense to ditch diggers that didn't finish high school). There is a place and a need for both. Just because someone didn't finish school or go on to complete some college certainly doesn't make them stupid. And a college graduate isn't a worthless pimple on society's keister.
Dave Thomas, of Wendy's fame, was a great promoter of education because he dropped out of high school.*
I saw an interview one time in which he was asked his opinion on an education since he had done pretty well without one. "Imagine what I could have done if I had one" was his answer.
*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Thomas_%28American_businessman%29
My example above, 2d, was an analogy. If you had a PhD you would have known that.
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 05:40 PM
They were the only people that had time to do the study...the non-educated folks were either too busy performing hard manual labor, or watching Jerry Springer, drinking beer, watching NASCAR, smoking cigarettes, doing meth or having bastard children.:blushing::online2long::innocent:
Heeeey....watch it buddy......I quit smoking cigarettes!!!:tongue_smilie: LOL
Alaskan Survivalist
09-03-2010, 05:42 PM
They were the only people that had time to do the study...the non-educated folks were either too busy performing hard manual labor, or watching Jerry Springer, drinking beer, watching NASCAR, smoking cigarettes, doing meth or having bastard children.:blushing::online2long::innocent:
I gave all that up when I found this forum.
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 05:42 PM
My example above, 2d, was an analogy. If you had a PhD you would have known that.
But it was not a good one.
Common sense should have told you that. Oh, wait......sorry.:blushing: LOL
A Lieutenant and a private were both seated in the aircraft and both making their first jump.
"I'm pretty scared, Lt., how 'bout you?"
"No. I am apprehensive, however."
"What's the difference?"
"Apprehensive is scared with a college degree."
BENESSE
09-03-2010, 06:28 PM
Oops, I crapped my pants is universal.
Not a problem if you wear a thong....oh, never mind.
Alaskan Survivalist
09-03-2010, 07:27 PM
Not a problem if you wear a thong....oh, never mind.
Thank you for showing restraint this time.
I've got a pic around here somewhere. Now what did I do with that.......
2dumb2kwit
09-03-2010, 07:32 PM
i've Got A Pic Around Here Somewhere. Now What Did I Do With That.......
Noooooooo!!!
Ah, here it is....
http://files.myopera.com/Mathilda/albums/83697/Dog%20Thong.jpeg
LowKey
09-03-2010, 07:39 PM
If you crap wearing a thong do you leave twice as much? Or just half?
The trick with colleges, or anything that requires lining up for anything is to figure out first which line to be in. A little observation goes a long way.
I said we needed to leave earlier but nooooooooo. You had to do your hair. Now look.
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/0828_lines-thumb-250x158.jpg
rwc1969
09-03-2010, 08:20 PM
Oh. So tell me.......... just how many years of education and how many degrees are required before someone becomes totally clueless? :sneaky2:
(I may be able to use that as an excuse. :blushing:)
I'll tell ya in a few years...a couple more degrees down the road.
rwc1969
09-03-2010, 08:29 PM
I agree with you, 100%!
I've done work at a few college's, at which time I dealt with the admin.....all the way up to the dean.(and met plenty of the prof.'s, in the process)
We used the phrase "educated beyond their intelligence" fairly often, on those jobs. It was their, that I learned that education and intelligence are two totally different things. The problem, is that most educated people think they are smart. This is not the case.:innocent:
I have to admit our college is fairly well organized and well run for the most part. The faculty is quite knowledgable, experienced, and for the most part still have common sense. Most are not just teachers, but have worked, or continue to work in their chosen field.
The one thing that urks me is the constant complaint of budget crisis and lack of funds. The school has the highest attendance since it's inception, just passed a major millage for them, they're getting all kinds of guarantedd $$ from FAFSA, NWLB, and private donations, along with regularly paid tuitions from those without funding. They just installed new Dyson air mover hand dryers in the bathrooms. The old ones worked just fine.
The real problems with these things are the leadership. You can't blame the followers for going along with what the leaders have laid down. I'm sure the Dyson thingees were a waste of $$, but that money, through red tape or what have you, could most likely not be used for anything else and would have went back to the govt., etc., if not spent.
we have a lax security so anyone can just walk right on in and blow themselves up. Suweet! Just the way I like it. Oh yeah, and no weapons are allowed on premises by law abiding citizens. Even sweeter!:art:
rwc1969
09-03-2010, 08:34 PM
It's helpful to read the whole thread. Someone, I won't mention any names (rwc) defamed me terribly.
Just put a plug in the ear that lets out the common sense and you'll quit being defamed. That's what I did, my head is so big now I can't fit it in my backpak, but hey, it's a small price to pay.
crashdive123
09-03-2010, 08:39 PM
My opinion is that, typically, as college education enters the brain, common sense exits.
I have no stats or such to support my opinion, but, one could argue that the failing American business and government model is a good example worth consideration. I believe many of the leaders and worker bees in those lines of work are college educated, and I also believe it is quite apparent to most that common sense has flew over the chicken fence, wandered out in the road and got ran over by a truck delivering inexpensive, high quality imports to a big box store near you.
Aren't you taking classes???:innocent:
kyratshooter
09-03-2010, 08:53 PM
This may sound a bit strange to some, but I enjoy school.
I have been on one side of the desk or the other since 1956, retired this year and have been thinking about going back all summer. Not to teaching, but to another run at grad school.
I will probably wait a couple more years due to age. If I wait until I am 65 I can go free in my state.
I love the climate of fresh stupid expectation for the best on a campus, love to study, love the deadlines, love drinking a cup of coffee while watching the sun come up as the computer printer spits out the paper that is due in 2 hours (actually it was due yesterday and I conned the prof into an extra day).
Value of a person due to their education? Can we word that differently?
How about value of the persone due to their WISDOM?
Education is much like money, it's how you use it that counts, and a rich person is more valuable than a poor person only in their own mind. It is sort of like being the Paris Hilton of the academic world.
crashdive123
09-03-2010, 09:13 PM
Not all education comes from the classroom.
klickitat
09-03-2010, 09:34 PM
wow, apparently I touched a few nerves.
BENESSE
09-03-2010, 10:27 PM
+1 Kyrat.
I can relate.
Winter
09-03-2010, 10:45 PM
My opinion is that, typically, as college education enters the brain, common sense exits.
I have no stats or such to support my opinion, .
Look at congress and the senate. You, sir, have all the proof in the world.
Let's look at competence.
In my little town of 12k, our borough (county) needed a building.
It would cost 30 mill.
So, they had an idea, " why don't we remodel the school we just shut down, or better yet sell the school to a contractor and have the do the work and lease it".
Ok, they sell the school for 500k. The contractor does a 1.5 mill remodel and then leases the building to the borough for 1 mill a yr. Here, 3 yrs later, the borough decides to buy the property for 9 mill.
Do that math.
Right now, I am working for an engineering firm building a bridge for the city over a 6 ft wide stream. The bridge could be a 4 ft culvert but NO.
Instead it's a 80 ft span concrete monster that will handle M1 tanks, BUT, the road leading to the bridge can't handle the crane that will be needed to place the precast, prestressed, re enforced, concrete span.
Anything government does reminds me of kids doing a terrible job on a task so they won't be asked to do it again.
The world has lost it's friggin mind.
BENESSE
09-03-2010, 10:53 PM
So if your kid gets a scholarship to Harvard are you gonna keep him/her back? How about West Point or Annapolis? Or anything beyond vocational school?
If they show interest and they're good enough to get in are you gonna forbid them to go?
I am not challenging, just asking in earnest.
@Kyrat - That sir, was a genuine gem. Very good. I got a chuckle or two. Thanks.
@Crash - +1. I would suggest most doesn't. The best teachers are often our parents, our preachers and hard knocks. IMHO.
@Winter - Is it possible that the new bridge will serve some purpose down that road? Perhaps a new business or industrial park of something along those lines. If so, the cost to build today is less than it will be tomorrow (time value of money) so it's actually a better deal. Just asking.
Alaskan Survivalist
09-04-2010, 10:17 AM
What I see happening is that Americans are being over educated. It is destroying the middle class. Too many people are being educated for higher positions and we already have "too many chiefs and not enough indians". When they get into positions through education rather than coming up through the ranks they seem to think the common worker needs to educated also. I have to to take several classes a year just to keep up with higher qualifications for driving truck and sooner or later I won't be qualified to do job I have been doing for almost 40 years. The first time I ever drove a rig my boss threw me a set of keys and said "try not to kill anybody", it was the only instruction I recieved and something they should teach to these kids coming out of truck driving school. It's getting rediculus and these days you even need to be certified to drive forklifts. The result is you have many people that could easily do the job just don't have the qualifying paperwork. This keeps people unimployed and on the welfare rolls. I just wish these educated bafoons would stay in the office and not try to impose all thier brillance on the working man. The work is hard enough without having to work around them and make thier stupid ideas work. This is why we are having immigration problems, we don't have enough people to do the work anymore. We can't all be sucking up the gravy.
BENESSE
09-04-2010, 10:32 AM
This is why we are having immigration problems, we don't have enough people to do the work anymore. We can't all be sucking up the gravy.
We definitely have enough people AS...but they'd rather sit on their a$$ and collect unemployment then work in the field or clean houses for $5/hr.
Don't get me started.
Alaskan Survivalist
09-04-2010, 10:39 AM
We definitely have enough people AS...but they'd rather sit on their a$$ and collect unemployment then work in the field or clean houses for $5/hr.
Don't get me started.
Why clean houses when the could be earning 20 dollars an hour in a trade that could be learned on the job? 5 dollars an hour is not jack anymore and I would not work for it either but unemployment checks should not be an option either. Besides all the kids that that could afford afford to work for those wages are off to colledge.
canid
09-04-2010, 11:22 AM
if you offered me a job, right now, for $5/hr, i'd be in for 30hr/week and i'd be there in exactly as long as it took me to get to the site.
would i rather have $20/hr at full time? sure, but i haven't found that - or half of that - in a long time.
I'm not certain how anyone can be over educated. Learning on the job is an education too. Can you get too much of that?
my boss threw me a set of keys and said "try not to kill anybody"
And that's a good thing? My dad drove for over 40 years so I grew up in the business and did a stint of it for about a year. It just wasn't for me. But understanding how your vehicle works, understanding how to load a trailer, and understanding the laws and regulations related to your occupation is a very good thing in my book. I don't know how you can be too educated with that.
BENESSE
09-04-2010, 11:53 AM
Why clean houses when the could be earning 20 dollars an hour in a trade that could be learned on the job? 5 dollars an hour is not jack anymore and I would not work for it either but unemployment checks should not be an option either. Besides all the kids that that could afford afford to work for those wages are off to colledge.
I'll bet a lot of people would want to know where that's possible these days because they'd take it gladly.
$5/hr may not be worth much but it beats $0, don't you think? And it's apparently enough for thousands of illegals who risk life and limb to get a crack at it.
I'd rather work for a $1 than sit on my beehind for nothing. And I've done it too so it's not just jive talk.
As long as you ended up with more at the end of the day than what you started with, you've got something.
Alaskan Survivalist
09-04-2010, 12:04 PM
I'll bet a lot of people would want to know where that's possible these days because they'd take it gladly.
$5/hr may not be worth much but it beats $0, don't you think? And it's apparently enough for thousands of illegals who risk life and limb to get a crack at it.
I'd rather work for a $1 than sit on my beehind for nothing. And I've done it too so it's not just jive talk.
As long as you ended up with more at the end of the day than what you started with, you've got something.
There is another option, WORK! A distinction should be made between work and employment. There is never any shortage of work in this world. It is just another part of the disconnect people have that they don't know how to work for themselves or market thier own skills.
Alaskan Survivalist
09-04-2010, 12:07 PM
And that's a good thing?
Yes. You have to think and you know you know nothing. Something they don't seem to be able to teach in school.
BENESSE
09-04-2010, 12:10 PM
There is another option, WORK! A distinction should be made between work and employment. There is never any shortage of work in this world. It is just another part of the disconnect people have that they don't know how to work for themselves or market thier own skills.
That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. WORK.
In fact, in another thread I posted something that's been drummed into me my whole life: It's better to work for free than sit for free. I've always worked and sometimes I even got paid for it.
Alaskan Survivalist
09-04-2010, 12:16 PM
That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. WORK.
In fact, in another thread I posted something that's been drummed into me my whole life: It's better to work for free than sit for free. I've always worked and sometimes I even got paid for it.
"Virtue is it's own reward"
randyt
09-04-2010, 12:24 PM
one of the problems is that some folks quit looking for work once they get a job. <g>.
canid
09-04-2010, 12:32 PM
"Virtue is it's own reward"
it's true, and i honor it, but i haven't been able to get PG&E, MID or Wells Fargo to feel the same, the bastages.
you know you know nothing
Yeah, you're probably right a....hey!!!! Wait a minute again!!!
sgtdraino
09-05-2010, 02:14 PM
There are all different kinds of knowledge, and all different kinds of intelligence. A college professor might be totally useless in the outdoors. A decorated Marine veteran might be equally useless in a college setting. At certain things people can be very smart, while at others they can be quite clueless.
There is no such thing as common sense.
oldsoldier
09-05-2010, 08:02 PM
As many of you know already. My wife is a proffesor at one of the local universities. She forwarded me an E-mail from a student last semester. Here is a transcript of the E-mail.
STUDENT; Mrs.____________ Am I correct that next friday we will have an open book test?
MY WIFE: miss________________ yes you are correct the test next friday is an Open book test.
STUDENT: So it's okay if I bring my book to class with me?
Looks like a Bill Engvall moment to me.................. here's your sign.
klickitat
09-05-2010, 08:26 PM
open book test = oxymoron
rwc1969
09-06-2010, 02:04 AM
...There is no such thing as common sense.
With the utmost respect I disagree.
Common sense is the ability to make decisions and judgements when you don't know the answer. It's the ability to figure the answer out for yourself or find someone with the answer.
Too many people, college educated or otherwise, have no common sense these days. If they hit a roadblock they just sit there and stare at it rather than trying to figure a way around.
A perfect example:
I worked for a Big Three OEM auto supplier, one of the 50 largest corporations in America, one of the first on the stock exchange. We had a part that was making a click noise every time it cycled. Every single part did it too. The engineers all came to the floor to see the problem, I mean "opportunity", in action. Engineers and Quality Assurance folks hate the word "problem". They had sound meters, notepads, daily planners, and all kinds of gismos. One even had a stethoscope like you'd see in a doctor's office for listening to your lungs and heart. They could not figure out why it clicked or what needed to be done to correct the situation. Our customer was threatening to reneg the contract. As a last resort, they asked for input from the floor workers.
As team leader I was "volunteered". I walked up, stuck a flat bladed screw driver into the part, gave one small, gentle, and repeatable tweak forward to adjust the arm and the click went away. The engineers and Quality Assurance folks were bewildered. Prior to our tweak, the arm was within tolerances of blueprint specification. "That can't be the problem" they proclaimed. The channel the arm rode in was to spec as well. They could not accept this as it could not be measured. But, the General Manager, a German engineer BTW, acknowledged my fix and the problem was resolved permanently.
He told them to implement it immediately! He then instructed me to provide the engineers and QA folks an updated process control sheet, which I did, and they were instructed to sign it! The customer was very happy and the business grew. It eventually was shipped to Mexico in a big container or 10, the whole business! But, that's beside the point, I digress! Of course QA and engineering had to get 30 samples and run them thru life cycles on high tech machinery, which they all passed with flying colors to the amazement of "the ones who walk without common sense". But, the arms were out of spec, so the GM instructed the engineers to change the specs and instructed QA to sign off on it.
Myself, the other floor workers, and luckily, the German GM, all had common sense. Maybe that's why German engineering is so well renowned. THEY HAVE COMMON SENSE! Yes! Measure it, test it, get all jiggy with the multi-million dollar CAD program and draw that puppy out. But, when all else fails, beat it, bend it, send it.:sailor: The GM smoked a pipe too BTW, had blonde hair, blue eyes, was 6'+ tall, and in his homeland he flew the American flag in his garden.
Almost everyone lived happily ever after, including the Mexican government and businessmen who profited the mostest. After selling off the auto portion of it's business, a few years later the big corporation I worked for folded, and was consumed by another bigger business. Everyone was fired without notice, and without severance, etc.
The German GM had to go back home to the fatherland because his work visa was no longer valid. I had already moved on to a higher paying job before this all occured. I have no idea what happened to most of the other supervisors, engineers, QA, marketing, purchasing, floor workers, etc. I suppose many are either working at Mickey D's now, or are getting unenjoyment or welfare. Or possibly, they are homeless and surviving.
crashdive123
09-06-2010, 07:15 AM
So RWC........YOU are the one responsible for jobs leaving the country!!!:innocent:
DOGMAN
09-06-2010, 11:07 AM
Common sense is the ability to make decisions and judgements when you don't know the answer. It's the ability to figure the answer out for yourself or find someone with the answer.
Too many people, college educated or otherwise, have no common sense these days. If they hit a roadblock they just sit there and stare at it rather than trying to figure a way around.
I think this sums up the real problem...that was well put RWC1969. I see the lack of ability or courage to solve problems as one of the biggest problems in our culture today. I have had a lot of employees and co-workers over the years that just shut-down when they encounter a problem. They don't have the know-how or initiative to solve a problem on there own. Now, cell phones have even complicated the matter and created an even more dependent society...people when stumped just now pick up the phone and call the boss and get the answer- they don't try to figure things out at all.
This mindset seems to run through all levels of society- college educated or not. THe only folks I have not seen this with is farmers and ranchers- they still seem to have the problem solving mentality. But i have met alot of mechanics, college professors, carpenters, and doctors that dont.
rwc1969
09-06-2010, 11:17 AM
So RWC........YOU are the one responsible for jobs leaving the country!!!:innocent:
Well, in a sense.....:innocent:
NAFTA is the reason that bidness left the country, and so many others followed suit.
All the bean couters said it would happen and no one listened. Now that it has you don't hear anyone talking about the negative impact it has had on this country.
I guess that's because were all too busy focusing on the positive. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.
NAFTA isn't any more responsible for job losses than any of the other 17 FTAs that have been signed dating back to 1985; a full nine years before NAFTA was signed.
crashdive123
09-06-2010, 01:38 PM
Well, in a sense.....:innocent:
NAFTA is the reason that bidness left the country, and so many others followed suit.
All the bean couters said it would happen and no one listened. Now that it has you don't hear anyone talking about the negative impact it has had on this country.
I guess that's because were all too busy focusing on the positive. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.
I know that you saw the humor in my post, but I disagree with your assessment of NAFTA. Over regulation, burdensome taxes, unfunded liabilities and unions have driven more business across the border than anything else IMO.
rwc1969
09-06-2010, 05:49 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
crashdive123
09-06-2010, 08:01 PM
Just as everybody is entitled to be wrong.:sailor:
rwc1969
09-06-2010, 09:09 PM
yes "they" are! LOL!
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