View Full Version : Binoculars? Scope? What vision-enhancer do you favor?
sgtdraino
08-30-2010, 03:32 PM
EDIT: POLL IS UP!
Aside from corrective lenses (which obviously you would have), what do you think are the two most important vision-enhancing items you would keep in/with your personal gear?
ORIGINAL POST:
This will eventually be a poll, but for the time being I wanted to get everbody's favorites. Don't want to leave anything out!
If you were going to be out in the field for an extended period of time, with access only to what you can carry, what (if anything) would you bring to enhance your vision? For those listing more than one, which one do you regard as most important?
Different options (off the top of my head):
Binoculars
Monocular
Telescope
Spotting Scope
Rifle Scope
Night Vision
Nothing
What do you guys like?
Well, enhanced vision has to include:
reading glasses/contacts (rx and otc)
magnifying lense
Unless you are just concerned about distance vision. I can't see anything up close if it's small. Reading a map can be a problem depending on the size of the print.
Camp10
08-30-2010, 04:42 PM
It depends on what I am out for the extended period of time for. If I am hunting, I have a scope on my rifle and a pair of binoculars around my neck. If I am hiking/camping, my camera's zoom is usually adequate.
tipacanoe
08-30-2010, 07:10 PM
In Maine, same as Camp, if I was out west it would be a spotting scope vs. the binoculars (10X42). I wish my rifle had iron sights along with the scope.
Good call, Camp. I forgot about my camera but that's usually it. And glasses. And a magnifying lens. And a yell to my wife for help.
huskymill
08-30-2010, 11:37 PM
if i won the loto i might consider one of these
http://www.nightvisionus.com/ThermalNightVision/FIITS14FusionImageIntensificationThermalSystem
although you can get a new car for about the same price lol
ATough
08-31-2010, 12:15 AM
depends on my trip but i usually pack a mono for its size and quick sighting. gets the job done.
DOGMAN
08-31-2010, 12:42 AM
For me, I like a good set of bino's, a nice spotting scope and a good rifle scope. I will often watch a mountainside for hours looking at wildlife...i will do a naked eye scan first, then a more detailed scan with the bino's until I find something interesting...then focus on it and really observe with the spotting scope.
A nice high powered spotting scope is very important if your hunting trophy class animals in big country...you can save yourself a lot of walking with a spotting scope- you can find stuff with the bino's...but with a nice spotter you can make out the size of the animal and really judge them from afar, and then make the decision to move-in or not. Quality optics are a very important tool for the serious hunter/wildlife watcher
pete lynch
08-31-2010, 05:21 AM
It depends on what I'm doing.
I have a small 8x21 monocular in my canoe bag and two sets of binoculars for everything else:
A 10x50 Nikon for my truck and to take on hikes and a 20x80 Orion set for spotting, star watching, etc.
Like others have mentioned, I use the zoom feature on my digital camera, too.
lucznik
09-02-2010, 06:39 PM
As already mentioned, eyeglasses are the start and the most important element of my vision-enhancing optics.
As to the more "sporting" kinds of glass...
I keep a small 8x25 binocular in my pocket pretty much all day, everyday - there are just too many opportunities to look at stuff that I don't want to miss.
When I am actually going somewhere with the intention of looking at/for something, then I replace the mini-binocular with a larger 8x42 binocular.
When hiking and/or hunting I pack a 15-30x50 spotting scope and a small tripod.
In my vehicle and/or in camp I keep a 20-60x80 ED spotting scope and a subsequently larger tripod.
With my DSLR I keep a selection of different lenses, including a 400mm prime lens. However, I generally consider all of these lenses to be rather poor substitutes for the more powerful optics listed above - at least for "glassing" purposes.
On some, though not all, of my rifles I will have a riflescope. Mine are all, generally speaking, in the 3-9x40-ish range. As an aside, I feel compelled to point out that riflescopes are strictly for aiming at previously-identified, acceptable targets/game animals. They are never to be used for "glassing," "spotting," or "trophy identification and/or evaluation" purposes.
Like Dogman, I will often spend many hours staring through glass in an attempt to locate and evaluate game animals. I believe that quality sporting optics are some of the most critically important tools for ensuring hunting success as well as for just generalized enjoyment of the backcountry.
rwc1969
09-02-2010, 11:34 PM
Scopes aren't really needed where I'm at. There aren't too many wide open spaces.
I do use a scope, 3-9X50 on my air rifle, and 3-9X40 on my mini-30. I'm planning on removing the scope from the mini and possibly the air rifle too.
I do have sevearl small pairs of binos which I never use.
the one thing I like about a scope is it's ability to see thru brush. Works good for hunting wabbits.
SARKY
09-02-2010, 11:51 PM
Obviously terrain is the key. In thick cover, high power glass really isn't of much use.
Low to medium power (a varible scope) works quite well for gathering detail on a critter hiding in the brush.
In open terrain high power glass is more useful as getting close without being spotted would be more difficult.
I like 1.5-5 and 2.5-10 scopes for close in spaces for open spaces I prefer a 4-16 or a 6-24 power scope.
Now I really would like a night vision scope the kind that sits in front of your every day scope.
DOGMAN
09-03-2010, 12:09 AM
optics aren't just for wide open spaces. If you spend some time really looking through a good set of bino's into thick trees, deadfall, bush, etc... you will be blown away at how much more game you'll see. A really, really good set of bino's can help you make the distinction between an animals ear, and a leaf at a couple of hundred yards...
Good optics are like a "super power" if used correctly you can see stuff you'd never have seen with the naked eye
canid
09-03-2010, 12:23 AM
i wonder: does anybody make a monocular/spotting scope with interchangeable object and ocular lenses?
that might be handy. you could have one scope with a couple of readily swapped lenses and have a wide range of magnification, depth and width of field.
lucznik
09-03-2010, 12:38 PM
i wonder: does anybody make a monocular/spotting scope with interchangeable object and ocular lenses?
Lots of spotting scopes, including almost all high-end scopes, come with the ability to change eyepieces (what, I believe, you are terming ocular lenses). The added versatility can, indeed, be very useful.
There is no scope that I'm aware of that allows any kind of interchangeability of the objective lens. I would doubt you could accomplish this little task as the positioning of so much of the rest of the scope's insides (prisms, housings, etc.) is somewhat dependant upon the size of the objective lens - as is the overall size of the scope itself.
canid
09-03-2010, 12:58 PM
the optics in my microscope are of a comparable level of precision, and interchanging the lenses presents no problem.
in a spotting scope, as long as the erector is fixed i can't see there being a problem.
Camp10
09-03-2010, 01:18 PM
the optics in my microscope are of a comparable level of precision, and interchanging the lenses presents no problem.
in a spotting scope, as long as the erector is fixed i can't see there being a problem.
How weather tight can you make that kind of system? A spotting scope is nitrogen charged with multi coated lenses to keep it from fogging up from the inside when it is subjected to the different temps and elements. I'm not saying it wouldnt work but I dont know the construction of a microscope well enough to know if it would.
sgtdraino
09-03-2010, 04:02 PM
What do you guys think of quick-detachable scope mounts, that would (I would think) enable your rifle scope to be removed and used independently, and then put back on and immediately ready for action?
I've just begun to look into these, I'd be interested to hear more about them.
oldsoldier
09-03-2010, 04:32 PM
Hmmmmm............? good question I/we have everything from compact 8X21 tasco Bino's up to and including a telescope that you can darn near see the rocks on the moon, inbetween a couple of monoculars, a spotting scope, 4-5 pairs of bino's scopes on all my rifles except my M4 including a "sniper" scope on my barrett. Favorite???? No particular favorite...... What I use depends on what I'm doing, You know the correct tool for............
kyratshooter
09-03-2010, 08:38 PM
If you were going to be out in the field for an extended period of time, with access only to what you can carry,
When will it ever end?
What is an extended period of time? If it is more than two days why have you not gotten in out of the rain yet?
My God does everyone have to carry a book to Alcatraz?
If I go somewhere it will probably be in my Jeep. If I can't drive I do not go because I'm not carrying my whole life on my back. Been there, did that, have not mentally recovered from it in 35 years!
The contents of the Jeep include:
20-60 spotting scope
8x minibonoculars
.22 w/3-9x40 scope
You guys would like the Jeep, it carries a lot and keeps you dry in the rain.
sgtdraino
09-03-2010, 09:06 PM
My God does everyone have to carry a book to Alcatraz?
LOL! Thanks man, that was hilarious.
The question is intended to be open-ended, to be interpreted by those answering it. But in my own mind, I am thinking at least a week, up to you-don't-even-know-how-long.
Let us assume for the exercise that (for whatever reason) you have to go on foot. I could run through a bunch of hypotheticals, but there's really no point. Assume on foot, only what you can carry, and you're not sure how long you could be out there, but that it will probably be at least a week.
hunter63
09-08-2010, 05:19 PM
Most all my long shooters are scoped w/at least 4X.
I also carry Mini 8X what ever, mini binocs.
If out west, I would add the big binocs and the spotting scope.
One thing to keep in mind, I don't know about you, but I don't like to be "scoped" with a rifle scope by someone else, and I don't imigine others would either.
So use the mini binocs instead.
Mini binocs only. For one, in woods you really don't need all that power... All my guns are on iron sights. I actually own a scope, but I don't like or need it.
lucznik
09-09-2010, 04:17 PM
Mini binocs only. For one, in woods you really don't need all that power... Not sure I understand what you mean here. The physical size of a binocular has literally nothing to do with its "power" (i.e. magnification).
Not sure I understand what you mean here. The physical size of a binocular has literally nothing to do with its "power" (i.e. magnification).
Yes, but with a bigger set you can facilitate more magnification power, no?
Basically I use minimal vision enhancement.
lucznik
09-10-2010, 11:20 AM
Yes, but with a bigger set you can facilitate more magnification power, no?
No. The physical size of the binocular has no direct bearing on its magnification. Rather, magnification is primarily a function of the eyepiece design and you can make huge binoculars with low magnification or tiny binoculars with high magnification.
(To be fair and accurate I should point out that changing the size of the optic's objective lens will alter the focal length of the instrument which in turn will alter the magnification unless the eyepiece is also changed, but this is a somewhat different matter and has nothing to do with what magnification it is possible to achieve in a given instrument.)
Small binoculars will tend to perform much better (brighter, clearer, better resolution, steadier, etc.) when the magnification is limited to something like 6x - 8x but, there are still lots of mini binoculars being sold in 10x, 12x, and sometimes even higher magnifications.
In fact, a couple years ago I read that the most popular binoculars sold in the USA are the cheapo (sub-$50) 10x25s. Reminds me of that old saying about a fool and his money.
I stand corrected. That's why I joined the forums. Rep sent.
Well, anyways, the binocs cost me about 20e and do x8 magnification if my memory serves
That was a great explanation Lucznik!
Batch
09-11-2010, 10:52 AM
optics aren't just for wide open spaces. If you spend some time really looking through a good set of bino's into thick trees, deadfall, bush, etc... you will be blown away at how much more game you'll see. A really, really good set of bino's can help you make the distinction between an animals ear, and a leaf at a couple of hundred yards...
Good optics are like a "super power" if used correctly you can see stuff you'd never have seen with the naked eye
Spot on. Binoculars help to gather light and make an image sharper and more detailed than what the naked eye can determine.
Too great a magnification can decrease clarity because of shake. So if you intend to hand hold your binoculars you'll want to take that into consideration.
I use a 10X26 binocular which are compact and waterproof.
Batch
09-11-2010, 10:56 AM
Also, on the scope. A scope is to improve your shot and not to identify or find a target. This violates very simple gun safety principals.
Never point a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy. Always be aware of your target and whats beyond it before pointing your weapon.
Alaskan Survivalist
09-11-2010, 11:18 AM
I use a monocular just because the size means it makes the trip where larger heavier items get left home. I have compact binoculars I found on the trail I like too. I had a nice spotting scope but I seldom used it. I can think things through and come to one conclusion but then I usually go with my experience that instinctively works better. I chose my main survival weapon that way. It is not the one I figured it would be, it's the one I grab when things happen without thinking and I have now decided it's my first choice. My scopes are low magnification. !x, 2x, and 4x. Making the target look 10 times bigger does not make it 10 times easier for me to hit. I use them mainly for definition not magnification.
hunter63
09-12-2010, 02:01 PM
You know........ I could use night vision capability on my BYB air rifle.........
Lazer does light up their eyes........
sgtdraino
09-23-2010, 09:46 AM
What do you guys think of quick-detachable scope mounts, that would (I would think) enable your rifle scope to be removed and used independently, and then put back on and immediately ready for action?
I've just begun to look into these, I'd be interested to hear more about them.
Bumping because I'd really like to hear some comments on detachable scope mounts: Something that would allow you to take the scope off your rifle and use it independantly, then put it back on, and it would still be zeroed.
Thoughts?
lucznik
09-23-2010, 10:40 AM
Bumping because I'd really like to hear some comments on detachable scope mounts: Something that would allow you to take the scope off your rifle and use it independantly, then put it back on, and it would still be zeroed.
Thoughts?
I've seen such things before and I think one of the issues is just how accurate you want your firearm to be. Anything that can come on and off is going to be inherently less accurate than a solid mount. Of course, it still may fit within your expectations of accuracy and so; may be worth doing.
The other issue to understand is that riflescopes are not designed nor intended to be used as spotting scopes. This manifests itself in at least two ways:
1. Their eyepieces are designed to afford much longer eye relief than spotting scopes and they get their stability from the fact that the gun is tucked into the person's shoulder and/or supported by some kind of rest. They don't have attachment points for tripods or monopods or whatever. Because of the longer eye relief riflescopes often cannot be used effectively unless held fairly distant from the eyes. This would make them very unstable to look through when off the rifle, negating much of the benefit derived from the detachment.
2. Riflescopes have much narrower fields of view than do comparable spotting scopes. This is due to their totally different (non-prismatic) design. They are really more like true telescopes. This is O.K because it makes them simpler to build and more rugged and because they are designed to look at an already-identified target, not to glass for targets.
sgtdraino
09-23-2010, 05:18 PM
Very interesting! Thanks!
sgtdraino
09-24-2010, 11:02 AM
Poll up!
Note that corrective lenses DO NOT count towards the TWO "most important" vision enhancing items you will choose.
Justin Case
09-24-2010, 11:36 AM
I voted,, (do I get one of those little stickers now):blush:
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