Is This TRUE...... [Archive] - Wilderness Survival Forums

wareagle69

08-21-2010, 04:20 PM

for me this is very accurate, i am in a life now that most often i wish i could walk away from, but i love my wife and could not bear the thought of hurting her, i love my place but it comes at a high personal cost
2 times before in my life i have just gotten up and walked away from everything, family freinds and all that goes with it. they even had a menmorial for me the first time, i found out yrs later. heard rumor that they thought my past had finally caught up with me. the second time i walked was even colder. i must have gotten a conscience some where cuz i have had nightmares about doing it to my wife and i don't think my soul could bear it.
that being said i agree withthe second paragraph, i lived out of my truck and trailer for a long time living life following the rodeo while folks said get a job, nah i says might die young like my ranger buddies did a long time ago i wish i could forget.
everytime i hear, chris ledoux call of the wild, i tear up i wish i had an rv and horse trailer and just go leave it all behind again,someday poncho someday
ps while this may seem cold it is the truth as to who iam like i always said i would give it like it or not it matter not to me

rudyumans

08-21-2010, 04:40 PM

That was an outstanding post, Rudy. Really spot on.

Thank you!

It's a very complicated subject

BENESSE

08-21-2010, 04:45 PM

On any given day my answer will vary depending on many factors.
It can go from one extreme to the other, but most of the time when things hum along and I'm in the zone, life is good and I feel that I'm doing what I was meant to do--what I've always wanted to do. I've remained true to my hopes and dreams...but I've also evolved. I might question my path from time to time, thinking that another one might be more exciting, but I'm happy to say that so far, a cool, sensible head has prevailed. I hope I can keep it that way.

Erratus Animus

08-21-2010, 04:59 PM

Sounds like a man who has neither children nor grandchildren. Nothing in the wild could ever compensate me for any time I'd miss with them. Neither response is accurate for me either.

I do a job that I love and hate. I am a fire fighter(20yrs now). Before that I was a soldier (ANG 9yrs)and during this time I was with the sheriffs office( RES 2yr man trailing and body recovery /canine).

I serve ppl because it is who I am. I help ppl because that is who I am. I hurt with strangers when they hurt because thats who I am. I will kill to defend those I love because thats who I am. I will sacrifice my life of others because that is who I am.

My family, children and 2 and soon to be 3 grand children make me who I am. They are why I continue to serve, but what I do in the time I have with them will be a building block for who they become. I could not leave them even though I hear the call. I do look forward to the day that they chose to come with me

I can not answer your question with yes or no

Sourdough

08-21-2010, 05:39 PM

He was born into an aristocratic blue blood wealthy Philadelphia family. His father was friends with the President. his great, great grandfather was the quartermaster general that outfitted Lewis & Clark 1812 Expedition. Two rifle cartridges (35 Whelen & .400 Whelen) are named after him.

He was editor at-large for every sporting magazine of his time. Born: March 6, 1877 & died Dec. 23, 1961. His entire outfit weighed 12 pounds. He invented the Whelen Lean-to. Regularly spent months alone exploring the wilderness. He wrote about 21 books. He was taught about wilderness life by the great wilderness guide: "Bones" Andrews who guided A.O. Young "Trophies Won & Lost on the Yukon" (which is an outstanding read).

wareagle69

08-21-2010, 06:12 PM

geeze 12 lbs back in the day with "primitive"gear by todays standards, very impressive
i think 50lbs is light,hmm bad mabajamba there

Sourdough

08-21-2010, 06:19 PM

geeze 12 lbs back in the day with "primitive"gear by todays standards, very impressive
i think 50lbs is light,hmm bad mabajamba there

I could be wrong, but I think the term "Outfit" back then did not include food. Only Lean-to, blanket, one pot, one rifle, one axe, "Trapper-Nelson" pack. He would get a "Free-miner's" license that allowed for the harvest of food daily. So he took, coffee, flour, beans, salt.

wareagle69

08-21-2010, 06:29 PM

my pack alone is 50 to 60 pounds, not including rifle or food or water, gotta look up trapper nelson pack

hunter63

08-21-2010, 07:29 PM

wareagle69

08-21-2010, 07:39 PM

i don't know hunter, i do not see condesending i see him living away from the lap of luxory, now i might be talking out my backside here, i will have to research him and see if he was a playboy that could play or someone who choose a simple lifestyle and gave up his afforded rights. i am aware of some who have walked away from the money to live a simpler exsistence.
i was always told to get a carreer at a young age and get a retirement then play, and i see the guys at work who have 30 or 40 yrs at the mill and get to retire at 57 with a nice pension, vs me i will have 20(if i stay )at 62 then get a modest pension, but, i have all my menories of playing up until the last few yrs so ifn i don't make it or am unable to live well because of pysical reasons at least i have my memories-unless i get alzheimers

Sourdough

08-21-2010, 07:54 PM

my pack alone is 50 to 60 pounds, not including rifle or food or water, gotta look up trapper nelson pack.

You don't want a Trapper-Nelson they are more like a Day Pack. Now I know of a Barney's Pack in Wisconsin, America that is as new for $475.00 he paid over $700.00 with the waterproof cover. Now that will make you 60 pound load feel like 35 pounds. And you could put over 220 Pounds in it if you needed too. The best Pack in the whole world for $250.00 off retail, he used it 11 days, Say's it is as new.

wareagle69

08-21-2010, 07:59 PM

my pack is a tad old got it at high mountain sports in flagstaff in 95, but she suites her purpose (geeze that just hit me ( back in 95) getting old)
funny how i can remeber the name of the store but not what i did at work yesterday

Rick

08-21-2010, 08:15 PM

Typical. That's ..... Dang it. Forgot what they call it. I'll get back to you.

rwc1969

08-22-2010, 04:29 AM

For "me" it is true, but just like the ones who wrote that book, I too have to pay the bills and take care of the ones I love. So, I do things I don't like and partake in a society that I am not entirely fond of.

If ever there was one who truly lived by that line you'd never know they existed unless you met them out on a trail or the like.

randyt

08-22-2010, 08:04 AM

I wonder if the 12 pounds townsend carried included his 03 springfield and his custom grouse loads. there is some interesting reading about townsends jaunts in some of the older american riflemen magazines. if you get a opportunity the issues during the 1930's are a good place to start.

Swamprat1958

08-22-2010, 08:35 AM

Sourdough

08-22-2010, 09:09 AM

I totally agree with Rick. My family is worth more than anything else and there is no way I could abandon them.

You Guys use some interesting "Jump" logic. Why do you assume he abandoned his family. Are you guys saying you are with your grand children 24/7/365 and there is simply not way on earth that you could ever go camping. They did not have TV in 1877, and their passion was camping and exploring weekends mostly and vacations.

And some grand children enjoy camping. Some people enjoy camping, and some people loath camping. They were ecstatic happy campers. Remember the railroads were just opening up access to the west in the late 1800's, and many people were excited to see America.

Ole WV Coot

08-22-2010, 09:45 AM

Sounds like a man who has neither children nor grandchildren. Nothing in the wild could ever compensate me for any time I'd miss with them. Neither response is accurate for me either.

I agree completely. I retired the month after I hit 52 and wonder how I managed the grind & other things at the same time. I haven't had a free day in years, probably better physical condition than 20yrs ago, don't smoke or drink now, maintain a decent weight and I do have jobs I don't like and could hire done, but that's part of life. So called "work" really isn't work if you enjoy it and being home and not on the road is great. I busted my rear to become independent, I owe nothing, pay cash and old enough to do and say what I want, and still can back it up. Grandkids are great and I feel blessed. I enjoy my life and have for many years, had the usual problems but that's life. I can and have done a lot of things to survive, still have an edge on most men and looking around I sure am better physically than men half my age. Don't try and put everyone over 60 into a nursing home, lots like me around.

kyratshooter

08-22-2010, 10:11 AM

I can not vote, These men were of a different breed and time. Conditions do not apply.

These were men who made very good living writing about what they did, that other men could not abandon home and hearth to do. They provided the fantacy of the day.

They were also still writing for the generation that had gone north for the Klondike gold rush, their fathers had gone west for the Black Hills gold rush and their grandfathers had gone farther west for the California gold rush. Many of their readers had homesteaded the land they lived on and were still eaking a living from near wilderness.

Men did things back then. They did not ask permission. If they wanted to go camping they went. They informed their spouse how long they would be gone, when they might come back if they so decided and left, expecting things to be accepted and in order on their return. They did not ask their wives if they could buy this or that or go on a trip six months hither if is was acceptable to the wife, her mother and all her sisters. I know this to be so because that was how my grandfathers lived. They were not abusive or uncaring, that was simply how families operated.

That is why many of todays' shooters are inheriting fine old rifles and shotguns from their grandfathers, who were common working men. Salesmen, clerks and factory workers bought good guns and used them. Mama did not say squat about it either. Todays' "men" have to inherit them, they do not have permission to buy them.

As far as abandoning the home, it was common. Divorce was a legislated condition then. Marriage was controlled by law and it took an act of the legislature to nullify a law. That was uncommon. If a family union did not work one of the spouses simply left. They were still married on the books but might never see each other again, would often move down the road and start another family with none the wiser.

Nesmuck abandoned his family, So did Kepart they were the premier outdoor writers of the previous generation. Kepart is the primary reason the Great Smokey Mountains national Park exists today. It is still the most visited NP in the nation. He was an alcoholic and died as a result of it.

Lets face it, many of these men we look on with admiration were not men out wives of today would allow us to hang around with. We might get "bad ideas", develop a backbone and become outdoorsmen.

Swamprat1958

08-22-2010, 02:11 PM

You Guys use some interesting "Jump" logic. Why do you assume he abandoned his family.

I didn't mean to imply he abandoned his family. But for me to leave everything and go the wilderness on a permanent basis would mean taking my kids out of school, which in my opinion would drastically hurt their ability to get into college. Plus it would mean a divorce, my wife doesn't mind visits to the wild if she has a fully stocked motor coach.

My kids love the west and a relocation to there would not be bad, providing it was near a fairly populated area. They are social creatures and it takes a certain kind of person to live in an isolated area with little outside contact. Personally that type existence would be fantastic, but my family has always came first and always will.

Rick

08-22-2010, 02:15 PM

It's not the path I chose and I have no regrets in that regard. I do take my grand kids camping but I don't see that in the same light as answer the call of the wild.

And yes, they did have television in 1877. They called it books. Much more vivid picture than television, by the way.

Sourdough

08-22-2010, 02:20 PM

Men did things back then. They did not ask permission. If they wanted to go camping they went. They informed their spouse how long they would be gone, when they might come back if they so decided and left, expecting things to be accepted and in order on their return. They did not ask their wives if they could buy this or that or go on a trip six months hither if is was acceptable to the wife, her mother and all her sisters. I know this to be so because that was how my grandfathers lived.

They were not abusive or uncaring, that was simply how families operated. Lets face it, many of these men we look on with admiration were not men out wives of today would allow us to hang around with. We might get "bad ideas", develop a backbone and become outdoorsmen.

Please don't hold back.....really it is OK to call it as you see it, don't be shy, no need to beat'around the bush.........:innocent::innocent::innocent: (I agree with you)

Rick

08-22-2010, 02:28 PM

I don't equate showing my wife respect with not having a backbone. No regrets in that regard either. She told me to add the last part but I agree.

wareagle69

08-22-2010, 03:36 PM

oh grow a pair will ya........
some days i wish i had a family, i feel more for my wife than anything else she has no one to talk to about me, how i grew up funny stories pictures nada zip,but she is also a woman who i very comfortable being out here on the homestead by her self when i do dissappear into the bush.
all in all folks say i will be lonley when i get old cuz i have no family, well to that i say as long as i have a good horse and a loyal dog i am happy for the companionship, and haveing kids is no guarantee that they will not move across the country and only see them evry now and then, so no guarantees either way

BENESSE

08-22-2010, 05:37 PM

Well, it takes all kinds to make up this world, as my grandpaw would say.
And, there's a lid for every pot, as my grandma would say.

Erratus Animus

08-22-2010, 05:46 PM

Please don't hold back.....really it is OK to call it as you see it, don't be shy, no need to beat'around the bush.........:innocent::innocent::innocent: (I agree with you)

Yeah be a MAN about it Sheesh !!!:innocent:

Sourdough

08-22-2010, 08:07 PM

Well, it takes all kinds to make up this world, as my grandpaw would say.
And, there's a lid for every pot, as my grandma would say.

Then How come I can't find a.......never mind.

Rick

08-22-2010, 08:11 PM

'Cause your lid is out in the bush your pot is prob'ly in town at the pot store. Have you considered borrowing or leasing a pot?

Winter

08-22-2010, 08:32 PM

Pot store?

Rick

08-22-2010, 08:35 PM

Er, well, yeah. I think the Mustang Ranch was one. Not that I've ever been to one, mind you but I have heard rumors.

Winter

08-22-2010, 09:01 PM

:innocent:

I didn't do it

BENESSE

08-22-2010, 09:12 PM

Then How come I can't find a.......never mind.

Seek, and ye shall find.
It also helps having a pot of a remotely conventional size or you'd have to have a custom made lid. That's just the word on the street.

rwc1969

08-23-2010, 01:00 AM

We got pot stores here, but I don't think they sell lids, at least I don't think they call em lids anymore.

I think it's kinda strange that the ones who actively promote wilderness living, survival and the like, and profit from it, are and have been generally far from it. They are usually more intertwined and profiting from modern society than the average joe.

It seems to me that most are just good salesman, or are good at running their mouth, speaking their mind, and getting people to listen.

Then, they get these seemingly mindless followers that further serve to over-inflate their egos.

I like to read what they write, and see what they produce, but I don't consider them my heroes or holier than though. I'm my own mentor and my own hero. My very close friends and family are the only ones I look up to, and I do that out of respect and admiration, not because they're something I want to be. I don't love them for what they can offer me, but for who they are instead, as a person.

I have extremely high standards and criticize openly and honestly. I'm much more critical of myself than those who I criticize. I've paid the price and continue to do so. Not because I'm proud, but because I'm afraid I might become one of them.

I can't on one hand criticize the modern ways and then with the other hand reach out and take the offerings those ways provide.

I work, I go to school, I pay taxes for things I will never profit from. I contribute charitably and anonymously to the ones who "really" need it. I don't poach, I obey laws that I don't always agree with. I enjoy the idea of wilderness living, camping and what have you.

I enjoy the idea of freedom and being responsible enough as a society not to have foolish laws and restrictions, but it's just an idea. It has always been just an idea, a pipe dream in someone's clouded mind, a tool to deceive, an implement of destruction, but it has never been a reality, ever, in the entire history of the world, unwritten or otherwise.

I wish I could live that way all the time, free and at one with the world, but I don't criticize or jab at the ones who don't. Unless of course, they first criticize the likes of me. Then I give em hell.

There is only one truth, the truth within. We will all die with that truth inside us. I'll rest easy.

kyratshooter

08-23-2010, 01:11 AM

And the truth will set you free.

But we can't take the truth.

And the National Enquirer has not told us what this weeks' truth is yet.

BENESSE

08-23-2010, 07:35 AM

"Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it".
(not sure who said it, but I agree)

rudyumans

08-23-2010, 08:11 AM

"Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it".
(not sure who said it, but I agree)

Well, you're in advertising..........

(Don't mean it. Just pulling your leg)

It was Andre Gide (French Critic) by the way

rwc1969

08-23-2010, 11:10 PM

NATIONAL ENQUIRER! No thanks, I get all my truth from the TV and modern history books. LOL!

Rick

08-23-2010, 11:13 PM

I read on the internet that National Inquirer runs true stories. So there you go.

rwc1969

08-23-2010, 11:14 PM

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