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kyratshooter
08-10-2010, 02:19 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-09/muscovites-flee-russian-capital-as-smog-from-wildfires-doubles-death-rate.html

As a history teacher I am always intreged by the media and their ability to distort the truth.

This headline blatently lies in stating the heat wave is the worst in 1,000 years.

The thermometer was not invented until 1593. Before that date there was no way to measure tempature. Uniform records have only been kept for the past 150 years.

And these people also want to inform us so we can make "good" political choices.
oldtrap59
08-10-2010, 04:44 PM
When my mother was still alive we got into a few discussions over what she saw on the nightly news over the years. As many others if she heard it on the news or read it in the paper it just had to be true. Many people just can't believe that those in charge of media news would ever LIE to us. Being I'm a bit different then most I just don't buy into their line of crap. Glade to see that you don't either KY.

oldtrap
Camp10
08-10-2010, 04:50 PM
It's funny that the global warming crowd all went into hiding the past few winters when we were constantly hitting record lows. It has nothing to do with news, just agenda...November is coming, you know.
Rick
08-10-2010, 05:02 PM
Pssst. It's a quote. So it can't be a lie. The person being quoted might have offered up opinion or might be a specialist in ice core research giving them some unique insight into the earth's temperature over the past 1000 years. Since the article doesn't say we can't know. But you can not tell a lie when you quote someone else........just sayin'.
oldtrap59
08-10-2010, 05:22 PM
"Most news people just read what they say off of a prompter so I guess they aren't as smart as some people think". Must be true Rick. I put it in quotes. :>)

oldtrap
canid
08-10-2010, 05:43 PM
there's an extent beyond which i have to start believing that much of the media truth bending out there is due, not to a desire to sensationalize, but plain, old fashioned ineptitude. few journalists, for example, are strong adherents of the sciences. not many newspaper columists are mathematicians, few new anchors are historians and only a handful of fortune tellers are physicists.

is it naive of me not to want to accept that so many alleged professionals would take so many liberties with reality on purpose?
canid
08-10-2010, 05:49 PM
It's funny that the global warming crowd all went into hiding the past few winters when we were constantly hitting record lows. It has nothing to do with news, just agenda...November is coming, you know.

we're not hiding, we're just getting better at reading.

incidentally, i like the uncharacteristically cool summer here this year a lot better than the 111 degree summer last year.
BENESSE
08-10-2010, 06:20 PM
Spin, rather than an outright lie goes both ways. One really has to care about an issue deeply enough to invest the time it takes to get to the bottom of it, all the while keeping an open mind. And we all know how hard that is.
Rick
08-10-2010, 06:26 PM
Canid, I'm with you. There are literally thousands of journalists, true journalists, out there and they aren't all bad. There are some that I think are truly outstanding. My list may be different than yours or the next guys but if you find someone you trust based on their experience and knowledge then stick with them. At the same time, you have to do as Benesse suggests and that's do a little due diligence on your own.

Oldtrap - Uh, that's not exactly.....what I mean to say is.....that'll work.
2dumb2kwit
08-10-2010, 08:07 PM
Pssst. It's a quote. So it can't be a lie. The person being quoted might have offered up opinion or might be a specialist in ice core research giving them some unique insight into the earth's temperature over the past 1000 years. Since the article doesn't say we can't know. But you can not tell a lie when you quote someone else........just sayin'.

Soooo....It's spreading a lie, but not telling one. O.K., got it.:tongue_smilie:
Rick
08-10-2010, 08:20 PM
It's neither you gumba. Quoting a person is merely telling someone what was said. By definition, it's true as long as it was said it. If the person being quoted lied or made a mistake then your quote is still true because that person actually said it. You've neither lied nor perpetuated the lie. Quoting someone doesn't place any requirements upon you to ensure what is quoted is factual. It's just saying that the other person said it. Period.

If you change the "quote" either fraudulently or by error then it is no longer a quote but a misquote and that can certainly be a lie.
Winter
08-10-2010, 08:24 PM
Quotes?

Alrighty then...

"Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper."

"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers."

"I do not take a single newspaper, nor read one a month, and I feel myself infinitely the happier for it."

All Thomas Jefferson
Erratus Animus
08-10-2010, 08:26 PM
Pssst. It's a quote. So it can't be a lie. The person being quoted might have offered up opinion or might be a specialist in ice core research giving them some unique insight into the earth's temperature over the past 1000 years. Since the article doesn't say we can't know. But you can not tell a lie when you quote someone else........just sayin'.

I will agree with that however it is Grand standing and manipulation just the same as we know the intent of the quoter.
Rick
08-10-2010, 08:28 PM
Then you also must appreciate that he said, "Whenever people are well-informed they can be trusted with their own government."
Rick
08-10-2010, 08:30 PM
How do we know the intent based on the quote? One can ASSUME he was grand standing but prove to me, based on the article, that the gentleman in question isn't a scientist well acquainted with world temperature models dating back 1000 years.

(you may use a quote if you wish. :))
2dumb2kwit
08-10-2010, 08:34 PM
It's neither you gumba. Quoting a person is merely telling someone what was said. By definition, it's true as long as it was said it. If the person being quoted lied or made a mistake then your quote is still true because that person actually said it. You've neither lied nor perpetuated the lie. Quoting someone doesn't place any requirements upon you to ensure what is quoted is factual. It's just saying that the other person said it. Period.

If you change the "quote" either fraudulently or by error then it is no longer a quote but a misquote and that can certainly be a lie.

I'd love to debate you, on this, but I'm starting to feel the affects of the oxyco......oxieko.....that pain pill I took. I think I'll be going to bed soon.:blushing: LOL
Rick
08-10-2010, 08:38 PM
No. no. no. Now is the time to debate. Right (rick's right) now. Right (rick's right) at this very moment (rick's right) is when you will (rick's right) do your best debating (rick's right). So hang in there!!!!



(No subliminal messages were harmed in the making of this post.)
2dumb2kwit
08-10-2010, 08:39 PM
BTW.....I'm OK. It is nothing serious.:blushing:
Rick
08-10-2010, 08:41 PM
I don't recall anyone asking but thanks anyway.
Rick
08-10-2010, 08:44 PM
Okay, okay. What happened?
2dumb2kwit
08-10-2010, 08:45 PM
No. no. no. Now is the time to debate. Right (rick's right) now. Right (rick's right) at this very moment (rick's right) is when you will (rick's right) do your best debating (rick's right). So hang in there!!!!



(No subliminal messages were harmed in the making of this post.)

If a fairly unknown person says something that is not true, there is a small number of people who may here the lie. If the NY Times put's his lie (quote) on the front page many, many people will be exposed to the lie. So, wouldn't that be spreading a lie. Many more people would be subjected to the lie, thus the NY Times would be "spreading" the lie much further than it would have gone, without their quoting it.:innocent:
Rick
08-10-2010, 08:50 PM
But what responsibility do they have to ensure the quote is true? A hypothetical example. If President Obama, a man we know would never lie, said, "We have won the war in Afghanistan. We won because I say we won. Case closed. Boys and girls are coming home."

If the NY Times publishes the headline, "We have won the war in Afghanistan," are they guilty of spreading a lie or just quoting what the President said?
2dumb2kwit
08-10-2010, 08:51 PM
Okay, okay. What happened?

Actually....I'm not sure. At first, I thought I had just slept wrong, and had a crik in my neck/shoulder. Then it just kept getting worse. It was like a muscle had cramped up under my shoulder blade, and it just wouldn't release. So it was pretty much like having a bad cramp.....for 4 days. It's kinda released now, so it's sore as heck, but not bad like it was.



Yes....I'm a sissy.:blushing: LOL
Rick
08-10-2010, 08:51 PM
By the way, why can't we just declare the war won and call it quits? Who gets to say we won or lost?
Rick
08-10-2010, 08:54 PM
ER doc: So, how long have you had this pain?
2D: About 4 days, why?
ER doc: I was just wondering. There's a 3 foot visoodoo worm chewing on your shoulder muscle. We could have saved the muscle 3 days ago but it's a gonner now.

Don't go to the doctor, 2DUMB. Just let it fester and then go when they can't save you.
2dumb2kwit
08-10-2010, 08:54 PM
But what responsibility do they have to ensure the quote is true? A hypothetical example. If President Obama, a man we know would never lie, said, "We have won the war in Afghanistan. We won because I say we won. Case closed. Boys and girls are coming home."

If the NY Times publishes the headline, "We have won the war in Afghanistan," are they guilty of spreading a lie or just quoting what the President said?

Both.

Tomato....tomotto...:innocent:
Rick
08-10-2010, 08:55 PM
ER Doc: Have you ever had this pain before?
2D: Yes.
ER Doc: Well, you've got it again. Does it hurt when you raise your arm?
2D: Yes. What should I do?
ER Doc: Don't raise your arm.
Rick
08-10-2010, 08:57 PM
But the news story is the fact that he said it. Should they NOT report it because it's not true?

The 1000 years was a great quote. Judging by everyone's reaction no one believed that the guy really knew that. But he did say it so the reporter reported it. It was a valid quote by a government official. How is that wrong?
2dumb2kwit
08-10-2010, 08:58 PM
ER doc: So, how long have you had this pain?
2D: About 4 days, why?
ER doc: I was just wondering. There's a 3 foot visoodoo worm chewing on your shoulder muscle. We could have saved the muscle 3 days ago but it's a gonner now.

Don't go to the doctor, 2DUMB. Just let it fester and then go when they can't save you.

I went to the doctor on day 1. He gave me a couple perscriptions. They we not strong enough to do any real good. I went back to him on day 4 (yesterday) and he gave me some stronger stuff. Today, that muscle doesn't fell like it's locked up......just sore.:innocent:
Rick
08-10-2010, 09:00 PM
Oooooh. I see the plan. Now you'll go back on Thursday and tell him it's still not working and get a script for Opium. Good plan. I like it.
2dumb2kwit
08-10-2010, 09:02 PM
But the news story is the fact that he said it. Should they NOT report it because it's not true?

The 1000 years was a great quote. Judging by everyone's reaction no one believed that the guy really knew that. But he did say it so the reporter reported it. It was a valid quote by a government official. How is that wrong?

Then why are so many people upset at Breitbart (Or whatever his name is.) and Fox news, about that ladies racist statements? And they didn't mis-quote her, they showed the actual video of her saying those things.

So....were they wrong?
Rick
08-10-2010, 09:07 PM
Absolutely! They took it out of context for purely personal benefit. Not the same as in this case. While the quote was not a lie it was improperly used. You've just trekked into the gray area. For what benefit do you use the quote.
BENESSE
08-10-2010, 09:09 PM
"We report, you decide" is something a lot of people bought into. You either believe that's what news ought to be or you don't.
Rick
08-10-2010, 09:10 PM
Great point!! It goes straight to the crux of journalism and the 2nd Amendment.
2dumb2kwit
08-10-2010, 09:20 PM
Absolutely! They took it out of context for purely personal benefit. Not the same as in this case. While the quote was not a lie it was improperly used. You've just trekked into the gray area. For what benefit do you use the quote.

I guess that was a bad example.
Let's say that the headline read..."crowd cheers racist comment", and doesn't give the ladies name.

The point is, that few people would have known about the comment, or the crowds reaction, if it had not been reported, like it was.
2dumb2kwit
08-10-2010, 09:23 PM
Great point!! It goes straight to the crux of journalism and the 2nd Amendment.

No....I'm not on crux's. It's my shoulder that's hurt, I can still walk OK......and I can still carry a gun, but I don't...while medicated. :innocent:
oldtrap59
08-10-2010, 10:46 PM
Absolutely! They took it out of context for purely personal benefit. Not the same as in this case. While the quote was not a lie it was improperly used. You've just trekked into the gray area. For what benefit do you use the quote.

Guess my area is just a bit to black and white at times. As far as I was taught a lie is a lie no matter who is being quoted. I'm going to leave it at that.

oldtrap
Rick
08-11-2010, 07:33 AM
"Crowd cheers racist comment" is a headline, not a quote. Just because something is inside quotation marks does not a quotation make.

If the news media editorializes and places their "spin" on it then everyone accuses the media of being biased. If it's actually an editorial then it would be biased and one should expect it to be. On the other hand, if the news media reports an event under Benesse's "we report it, you decide" comment then they are accused of spreading lies?

An event is an event. A statement is a statement. I would hope the media reports an item as it occurs without their slant added to it. Great reporters told you up front which they were reporting. However, quoting a person is nothing more than delivering the statement. If folks choose not to view it that way then you're entitled to your opinion and to be wrong at the same time. :innocent:
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