Brain pickin', baby!!!

[Trabitha]

Lots of smart guys and gals on this here board! Thought I would pick at your brains a bit!

So, as I've already told you...we're downgrading!! Wooooooot!!! We hope to put this house on the market in the spring, (shows better when the gardens are all perdy and such...) and then either build or move into something MUCH smaller. In a perfect world we would BUILD our perfect little home...but we don't live in a perfect world and banks are no longer willing to give VA building loans no matter HOW great your credit is. So, there is a good chance that we will have to purchase existing and make it what we want. Obviously my goal is a large enough area to garden and a dry basement. We would LIKE to come off the grid as much as possible without losing the creature comforts that we enjoy. We fully understand and are fine with drawing energy from the power company. We just want to lessen it dramatically. We've looked at and priced some great solar panel systems (if that's what you call them...), but now we wonder if y'all have any other ideas that will help us out a bit. Every year little things change and become more efficient. Have any of you heard of some cool new AFFORDABLE gadgets that may help-a-sista-out in this type of endeavor?

Don't be offended if I don't reply much, I'm really new at this and just want to learn whatever you can teach me! Give me some ideas of how you would build your dream house on a budget! Thanks!!!

[LowKey]

I just went looking for a house-building loan. None of the big ticket banks would talk to me, they want nothing to do with single-owner new construction loans, let alone a pre-fab 'cabin'.

Then I tried a credit union. They not only talked to me, they did out several scenarios in order to make it so I could actually afford it rather than just writing me a loan they would foreclose on in a year or two. I was very impressed. The loan originator actually had an office in the Credit Union and they don't sell off their mortgages after they sign you up.. I'm starting to scope land now but won't finalize until I see the land in the spring. Around here you gotta make sure it isn't under water when the snow melts.

I've also been checking out a solar freezer and propane refrigeration. If you are thinking of using propane or LNG to heat, you might want to check that out. I haven't done a cost analysis yet comparing the two. I guess it depends on how bad you want offgrid or how self-sufficient you want to be.

[crashdive123]

Trabitha - I know that several folks can offer some off grid advice - you may want to pick Tjwilhelm's brain on the subject.

[Trabitha]

Thanks Crash!

Yeah, I've been there too, Lowkey. The Problem is that I don't want conventional. VA costs them money as it is, so NO ONE is offering a VA building loan. I can get a normal VA mortgage...but it's a no go to build at this point. So sad too...

I want to be self sufficient, and the location we are looking into will require for us to be okay with losing electricity often with storms. (Snow and rain) I just want to know that if it comes to me NEEDING to be okay without electricity I can be, but at the same time I want to have use of it if I have access to it. ;)

[LowKey]

Where I'm living now, we just bought an instant-on generator that runs on propane. Mostly cuz in the spring if the power goes out, the Water Feature in the basement becomes an indoor swimming pool. And I don't ever want to be caught in another ice storm outage without being able to take a hot shower. With the warming trend we've seen the last two winters, I expect more of that ice to follow.

[rebel]

These folks have a lot of good advise for what you seem to be looking for:http://www.motherearthnews.com/

[kyratshooter]

Do you really get enough direct sunlight in EPA to offset the startup cost of a large solar system. I know part of that area gets less sunshine than Seattle, WA. Then there will be the snow cover and short days in winter.

I am in KY and we often do not see the sun for most of Jan/Feb here. We went 4 solid weeks without sunshine last winter.

How are your prevailing winds in that area? A small turbine combined with solar often works better than each system alone.

[crashdive123]

Trabitha - I read some info from TJ one time about off grid power. If I recall, it is imperitive to have a presise site plan of the location you want to add solar (or wind). Things we may not think about when buying a place would be factors that would affect the performance of off grid power. Trees that block sun part of the day, things that could obstruct wind, etc., etc.

[Winnie]

I don't know much about going off grid, but I have reduced my energy consumption. There are lots of ways to you can reduce your usage. Switch to low ebergy lightbulbs or if you really want to go different, try solar powered lanterns put outside during the day to recharge and ready for use in the evening.
Then there's these:

http://www.theselfsufficiencyshop.co.uk/57-low-voltage-fridges

I'm sure you'll be able to find them in the US.
A lot of what you want to do is to think laterally, instead of going hitech off-grid.
I only use my washing machine when I have a full load,
Instead of a seperate heating and cooking system, why not get a cooking range with a back boiler that heats your water and runs the eating all in one. If you don't want that, AS did a tutorial on how to make and install a wood burning stove for heating a house for under $100. I think it's in one of his blogs.

[Ole WV Coot]

I don't know anything about loans but to be relatively self-sufficient requires a lot of cash. I don't know your situation but it took me several years and cash to get to where I am with backup and security for my place. I am maintenance free outside, except for cutting grass and use everything except solar panels because of the lack of sunshine in the hills. Long way of saying it sure ain't cheap.

[Trabitha]

I hear ya, Coot. It's totally not a cheep venture if you wish to go all out "self sufficient." While I know what to expect, from living it when I was young...I'm fearful that my family has no REAL idea how hard it will really be. I'm not willing to take all those steps only for them to rebel on me! LOL!!

I know I won't be ever be able to go totally off the grid. I'm leaning toward solar rather than wind for a couple of reasons. First and foremost is the maintenance a windmill requires. While my husband has the ability and the knowledge, I'm afraid that his injuries will stand in the way of keeping such a system totally maintained on a 6 month schedule. Plus the preventive maintenance requires more financially than solar panels.
I'm hoping only to be able to get enough solar energy in an emergency situation, to run a freezer and/or fridge and to supply SOME excess electricity monthly to bring down our normal monthly consumption. I have no delusions of running my entire home on a simple converter and panels. ;) Please let me know if I'm looking at this totally wrong.

I've also looked into the option of a wood/coal kitchen stove that will more than heat the entire house in the winter...but the draw back is that if I don't have a stove top I will have a hell of time cooking in the summer if we don't grill out. This makes me squirm because of the redundancy...that's just me though. I may just have to get over it.

I've looked into First Day Cottages lately...and that just may be what will work for me. I helped build our "salt box" house as a child...the idea of building my home as an adult is amazingly exciting for me.

Anything more y'all can educate me on would be great! Thanks to everyone who has contributed so far!

[LowKey]

If you haven't found a site yet, have you thought of water power? One of the properties I'm looking at has a stream with a 4 foot drop across the property. I've been checking how it runs now when it's dry (not too bad) but really want to see what it floods in the spring. If the property stays unbought that long...
I haven't even begun the process of finding out what kind of permits are required to put in a small turbine. I've heard some horror stories though.

[Camp10]

Around here most of the off gridders are running either solar or wind. I asked a guy putting in a wind turbine a few years ago what the startup cost was and he said about $12,000. I think that is the cost of installation and electrical hookups. Neither are stand alone but off set the costs of your regular power supply.

There is a place near my camp that runs 12 volt for all their electrical. His house is wired (with outlets) for 12 DC and all his other appliances are gas. It is off grid but not really self sufficient.

I would do a little research in other uses of the sun to make your place more efficient. If you are building anyways, you can heat your hot water with a solar water heater. Big windows help, building on the sunny side of a hill, etc,etc. Then there is insulation and venting and rain collection and wood heat.

Decisions, descisions!!:)

[NightShade]

Propane appliances run very efficient... While still relying partially on the grid, you could get a propane generator to supply electricity when power is out... I just built a house on contract where they were still tied into grid but all apliances and a backup generator were run off a large underground propane tank...
Something to think about..

[cowgirlup]

If you haven't found a site yet, have you thought of water power? One of the properties I'm looking at has a stream with a 4 foot drop across the property. I've been checking how it runs now when it's dry (not too bad) but really want to see what it floods in the spring. If the property stays unbought that long...
I haven't even begun the process of finding out what kind of permits are required to put in a small turbine. I've heard some horror stories though.

We had been thinking of using hydro power here. At ine point in th past the house was powered that way and the remnants of the equipment is still here.
We wondered why they quit using it and went on the main power line.

This year we are way behind on rainfall. The brook was the lowest we'd seen it and while it would have provided enough water for drinking there was no way it would have helped power the house.

If we tried to gt it going again we would have to combine it with something else.

[LowKey]

You could use Light Tubes to light the house during the day.
Those First Day Cottages are nice.
I've been looking at these:
http://hillviewminibarns.com/frontier-cabin.php

[Trabitha]

THANKS, LowKey! That's more like what my husband wants. With his injuries he's worried that he would have a rather hard time building a home. "modular" type homes are always an option for people in our situation. Thanks a lot for that link! The prices are very comparable too!

[tsitenha]

Use of "sky lights' to allow naturall light to do for the day needs
-12volt systems for added features lights, TV, radio, with power inverters for computers and other technologies that don't lend themselves well to 12V
-coal/wood stove for heat, cooking, hot water (run a coil of copper tube/piping attached to the side or interior of the stove)
-Propane for refrigerator with a cache/cold room in ground as a longer term back up
-propane stove for hot weather cooking (no need to heat the whole house)
with outdoor BBQ/fire pit
-thicker amounts of insulation along walls, attics, subfloors: works in hot and cold weather

Mostly it is to vary/cross depend the abilities that you want with different sources of energy so that if one falters another can take over or at least temporarily bridge the gap.

[LowKey]

Your welcome Trabitha.
The trick on those cabins is getting them upgraded enough for the bank. And your weather, if it gets real cold. For instance, my bank wants it on a sill, not skids. Maybe they figure I'll drag it off with me when I leave? LOL.

[Rick]

I echo the Credit Union. I haven't used a bank in years. Credit unions are the only way to go. As for appliances, look for an instant on hot water heater. The single largest source of electricity in the house today is the hot water heater because it cycles on and off all day and night to maintain the water temp in the tank. With instant on you only heat the water when you need it and for only as long as you need it. You can cut your cost by about 50% depending on model. Also known as Tankless Hot Water.

No tanks...I mean thanks, necessary.

[klickitat]

Look into a Diesel Generator. You can then use old deep fryer grease to power it. Most places around here will give it to you if you want it. If your generator is in a shed and you can keep the oil warm then you do not have to turn it into bio-diesel. I had a Datsun pickup that I ran it in for a year before I gave it away to a friend. He ran the same truck for another 3 years and it was worn out before I got it.

[klickitat]

How big of a place are you thinking of? I have designed cabins that can be built for under 30K, use little in the way of energy and are very easy to build depending on the area you live in.

[Trabitha]

We really want something small. I don't think my husband could handle much under 1000 sq ft unless I can get a second floor. So if I can get 2 bedrooms and a loft on a basement I should be good going as small as 5-600 sq ft.

Sadly though...the new buy and dodge scam that's going on may screw me anyway. The housing market started to get back on track...but now those with good credit are buying new homes and defaulting on their old homes. If this crap keeps happening I'm screwed when it comes to getting a mortgage next year. :(
I've also heard through the grapevine...but haven't been able to find any proof of it...that there is a bill waiting to be pushed through in October that will "forgive" all Fannie and Freddie mortgages that have defaulted. *bangs head on desk * I'm so frustrated right now. :( I may be stuck in this house until the day I die. Well...at least I HAVE a house...

[LowKey]

Those instant-on water heaters are great. We got a furnace-fired heavily insulated hot water heater. Saved on electricity but now you got me wondering how much fuel it actually uses.

There are far too many "little" bailouts going through under the radar. Each one puts each of us a little more in debt. State o' Mass just got 600M for medicaid and education. The Hill can't be bothered to come back into session to figure out what to do with it. If they asked for the cash, they should get their fat bums back in the house and senate and damn well distribute it properly. Maybe in time for school to start.

Sorry for the derail.
Are you thinking of getting any livestock? Any equipment other than household?

[Trabitha]

If we can even do this, we planned on getting chickens and rabbits for sure. As it stands though, the current loan requirements will force me to qualify for an "investment property" loan and put far too much down on the new property. Not likely. If they don't take VA...and it's looking as though it will be harder and harder to do, I will need to put a load of cash down and be able to show that I can carry both mortgages at the same time, or they won't lend to me, regardless of my great credit score.

We may have to resort to staying HERE indefinitely, and being in the boro, we can't have livestock of any kind. I know there are some locally that are trying to get special exception, maybe I should get my name on that list. I would be more than willing to change my carport into a coop if need be.

Guess my plan is on hold until we see how the market pans out.

[Winnie]

I know it's not exactly what you want, but have you though of just downsizing to a cheaper property in town, and buying an acre or two just outside town to do the self suffiency thing on?
Once I have another job I'm considering this myself as properties with land are way out of my price range and land with building permission is as rare as Hens teeth.
Soooo the plan is, buy a small flat, then buy a few acres and visit every day. It's the only way I can sensibly own property.

[Trabitha]

That's exactly one of our other options, and most definitely one of the most affordable ways to go. Sadly, though...the market is kind of being a thorn in my side. Since things have gotten so bad that I pretty much have to be homeless to get a loan...we plan on putting this house up in the spring...and not even LOOK for anything until it's at least under contract. Sadly, contingencies can screw up a sale, but our hope is that someone will like this house SO MUCH that they are willing to let us stay here until we can find a home and get into it. Otherwise...with a child...it can be very difficult.

Thank you to everyone who has posted so far! A lot of the ideas I can use or have been using in my current home. Maybe if I'm lucky I can make THIS home so darn efficient I won't WANT to move. LOL!!

[LowKey]

There are several community gardens out our way. Unfortunately they all have experienced problems with pilfering and vandalism. Except for the large itinerant worker garden three towns over. I think those gardeners actually live out there in the field day and night to watch it.

[Rick]

I don't know your age or requirements but why do you have to do it all at once? Can't you find the land you want and purchase it? Do nothing else until you have the cash and/or the climate changes to enable you to put a building on it. You would still be able to add those chickens and rabbits with the appropriate precautions of course.

No need to answer just some thoughts. If you haven't, sit down with paper and pencil and write out all the ways you can make your dream come true as well as the hindrances to making it a reality. Once you see it on paper you will have something tangible to work with. You can then change the scenarios around a bit (land first, animals, buildings rather than all at once, for example) and see what best fits for you with the least amount of headaches. Having a plan in our head is nice but once it actually goes on paper, regardless of how abstract, we begin to see it as a work in progress and we can then begin to see the possibilities and options. As I said, just some thoughts.

[crashdive123]

Trabitha - One of the aspects of my job is inspecting homes for real estate transactions. You are absolutely correct when you say it's a tough market. Make your home have as much curb appeal as possible. The yard, bushes, flowers, paint, etc. should be the best on the block. First impressions go a long way.

[LowKey]

Unless you have the cash in hand, it's very hard to buy just property. The banks I spoke to would not even consider lending just for a piece of property. You had to have building plans in hand and be willing to do all the testing and permitting pre-purchase. And this was at the credit union too.

[Rick]

Tell them you want to farm it.

[Trabitha]

I don't know your age or requirements but why do you have to do it all at once? Can't you find the land you want and purchase it? Do nothing else until you have the cash and/or the climate changes to enable you to put a building on it. You would still be able to add those chickens and rabbits with the appropriate precautions of course.

No need to answer just some thoughts. If you haven't, sit down with paper and pencil and write out all the ways you can make your dream come true as well as the hindrances to making it a reality. Once you see it on paper you will have something tangible to work with. You can then change the scenarios around a bit (land first, animals, buildings rather than all at once, for example) and see what best fits for you with the least amount of headaches. Having a plan in our head is nice but once it actually goes on paper, regardless of how abstract, we begin to see it as a work in progress and we can then begin to see the possibilities and options. As I said, just some thoughts.

I hear ya, Rick...I think for me, it comes down to my personal mentality that it seems a waste to simply have a piece of land sitting there that I pay taxes and monthly payments on...while still paying my mortgage on my current home.
In a perfect world, I will get a land/building loan, build and consolidate to a normal mortgage. Sadly though, there are no banks that will do the VA version because they don't make anything on them, and I simply don't have a large lump of cash to put down on it. My current home has lost so much value in this market, I will be lucky to break even on a sale.
The primary reason for getting this home sold and into another home, is to help with the work load. I simply can't maintain this house on my own anymore and my husband is never going to be in the condition to help. Absolutely everything about this house was done wrong and fixing what's wrong to make it more efficient is taking up all my energy...with little return.
I'm also not find of the lack of light this property gets, making it harder and harder to grow a successful garden.

I'm looking into really low priced existing homes with minor structural issues on a nice lot, at this point. That may be the only way we could go from one to the other, with a VA loan. We'll have to just keep on schedule with our plan of putting this house up in the spring...but be ready to make a move just in case it sells.

[LowKey]

That might work in Indiana Rick. Not here. Farms are being sold off to make way for more yuppy McMansions. Boston commuters have sprawled halfway across the state (and into NH and RI) and it doesn't look like they're stopping any time soon. A 2-acre lot within 50 miles of Boston would set you back over 280k if it didn't have swamp, railroad tracks or high lines on it. I've been scoping a place in Southern NH and a couple places in a few smaller towns in south central MA. I wish I could aim for upstate NY but I'd still have to work for a bit to pay it off and there's nothin' for me out there.

Trabitha, keep at it and good luck.

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