Knife/Survival Knife Info.

[Fisherman Dylan]

I plan on getting a new knife since the one I have is a bit to big and cluncky to use all that well (10" blade). I would like to stay fairly low price as well since I dont have a steady income. Anyone?

[huntermj]

:eyepoke: OH Brother!

[Sarge47]

This is a joke, right? If not, you just crossed over into "Numpty" land!

:death: :oops: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :cool2:

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I plan on getting a new knife since the one I have is a bit to big and cluncky to use all that well (10" blade). I would like to stay fairly low price as well since I dont have a steady income. Anyone?

Just grind 5 inches off the end of the knife you have.

[Justin Case]

Just in case anybody bought one of these back in the 1980's I apologize in advance for laughing. I don't recall ever seeing the commercial on TV, but was LMAO when I saw the You Tube vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gj9CMvwfv4

LOL,,,, I still Have one of those,,,,,,,,,, someplace ,, ?? My aunt bought my Cousin and I each one for Christmas,,,,, LOL

I know this is an old thread, I just wanted to tell Crash Thanks for bringing a fond memory back to me,,, :) :)

Funny, you started out your post "just in case" lol

[Sarge47]

Check 'em out:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8322

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/blog.php?b=47

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/blog.php?b=29

'Nuff said! :cool2:

[Rick]

The one you have.

[Ken]

....... you just crossed over into "Numpty" land!

This is your Numpty Land prize!

http://takecarezines.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/plastic-knife-2.jpg

[Justin Case]

http://www.deadmentellnotales.com/pirateimages/ki.jpg

[Sarge47]

Your not going to get your 500 points this way; okay, for low cost go to Safe zone & check out these Mora Knives. They're very good & low cost. Read Klkak's praise report on the Mora Survival knife 2000!

http://www.safezonellc.com/mora2000.html

http://www.safezonellc.com/kevin.html

This is the one I bought from Safe Zone:

http://www.safezonellc.com/mora746.html

There are many more models to choose from, but the 2000 is obviously a great one for the money! :cool2:

[canid]

only the knife you have with you in an emergency is a survival knife.

the important considerations when selecting any knife are it's materials, it's suitability for the tasks you intend to use it for [e.g. if you need a camp knife capable of chopping detail, big and clunky might be just the thing], and your aptitude in using it. anything else a manufacturer calls it, or claims about it are pretty much irrelevant, unless you are concerned about collectability/resale value, etc.

[Justin Case]

Your not going to get your 500 points this way; okay, for low cost go to Safe zone & check out these Mora Knives. They're very good & low cost. Read Klkak's praise report on the Mora Survival knife 2000!

http://www.safezonellc.com/mora2000.html

http://www.safezonellc.com/kevin.html

This is the one I bought from Safe Zone:

http://www.safezonellc.com/mora746.html

There are many more models to choose from, but the 2000 is obviously a great one for the money! :cool2:

Hi Sarge,, I like that on in the first link,, question, How are the sheathes ? are they pretty durable ?

[Sarge47]

Hi Sarge,, I like that on in the first link,, question, How are the sheathes ? are they pretty durable ?
They're pretty good. You need to do a search for Klkak's "Praise Report" as he did several threads. Really good info! :cool2:

[Justin Case]

They're pretty good. You need to do a search for Klkak's "Praise Report" as he did several threads. Really good info! :cool2:

Ok,, I just looked at the review on Ricks Homepage,, Didnt talk about the sheath,, Ill search . ;) Thanks !

[pocomoonskyeyes]

For an honest and straightforward answer. There is no such thing as "the best Survival knife" It is as mythological as a Unicorn. Instead I would suggest what some other "long term survivors" used, namely the Mountain Men. If it were possible they would have a "layering" of blades.

A "Layering of Blades" To me means knives that overlap in size and use. Say for them it was something like a Jack Knife,Patch Knife,Skinning knife, And a larger blade, like a Hudson Bay knife,Bowie Knife or some such.

Using knives available today, the choices are very Varied.but to try and follow this train of thought, I'll tell you what I have that I consider "Overlapping Knives" although I use more than they did.
1) Swiss Army Knife
2) Mora
3) A Nessie (Nessmuk pattern)
4) a "Bowie" Knife
5) An Ontario 12" Machete

My Nessie and Bowie are approximately the Same size. However the Bowie is slightly longer, and considerably thicker, Also the blade grinds are different. VERY different. These are the only ones that you won't be able to find pictures of by doing a "Google" Search. Because I made them.

So to give you an idea of the difference:

http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt61/pocomoonskyeyes/knives/BowieandNessie5.jpg


I also have a few others that I can "swap out" as my mood or needs dictate.

But honestly the true answer to your question is one of two possible answers:
1) There is no single "Perfect Survival knife".
2) The one you have with you when you need it.

[Rick]

Justin - I'm not at all certain there is a "good" commercial sheath these days. Even high dollar, big name knives have gone to flimsy nylon sheaths that aren't worth the match it would take to burn 'em. Just my opinion.

The Mora sheaths are plastic. At least the majority of them are. I think they are better than some of the nylon sheaths that are being sold today but not as good as a nice leather sheath or even a Kydex sheath. Still, they do the job they were designed for and I think very durable for the money. Again, just my opinion.

[Sarge47]

Ok,, I just looked at the review on Ricks Homepage,, Didnt talk about the sheath,, Ill search . ;) Thanks !


http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9653


http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9951&highlight=praise+report+mora+2000 :cool2:

[Justin Case]

Ok, Thanks,, now that you mention it, I have a Dive tool (knife) with a plastic sheath , (forgot about it :blushing:) but its a good sheath ;)

[Justin Case]

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9653


http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9951&highlight=praise+report+mora+2000 :cool2:

Great ! Thanks Sarge ;) I LIKE the look of the 2000,, interesting grind ,,,

[FVR]

For all those tenderfeet out thar, get yourself a real life KABAR or a home made Bowie and be done with it.

What's the best knife, that's like asking what's the best BEER? What's the best TRUCK? What's the best CAR?

Are brunettes better than blondes? Are blondes better than redheads?


Tell ya what, go to a yard sale or a flea market and pick up a $5.00 butcher knife.

Guess what ya got?

The best survival knife.

This idea about survival going hand in hand with quality knives is a joke. Okay, you're in a survival situation, you have not knife, just roll over because you're going to die, no knife, YOU will die.

Now, me and a few others, no knife, no problem. Because a knife does not equal life but rather a false sense of security.

Think I will go play with some rocks.

[Rick]

Frank is one of the few guys I know that can easily kill Wild Turkey without a knife. Or any other weapon for that matter.

[Justin Case]

Yeah,, Hell Bite their head off ! LOL just joking :clap:

[huntermj]

Red heads are the best. :innocent:

[crashdive123]

LOL,,,, I still Have one of those,,,,,,,,,, someplace ,, ?? My aunt bought my Cousin and I each one for Christmas,,,,, LOL

I know this is an old thread, I just wanted to tell Crash Thanks for bringing a fond memory back to me,,, :) :)

Funny, you started out your post "just in case" lol

I knew you'd be along - I'm psychot...........um - I knew you'd be along.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I prefer cheap beer.

[huntermj]

redheads and cheep beer, cant go wrong :tongue_smilie:

[BENESSE]

Knife bait proves irresistible.
Gotta love this crowd.:)

[welderguy]

Frank is one of the few guys I know that can easily kill Wild Turkey without a knife. Or any other weapon for that matter.

thats a good thing he does that without a weapon would hate to see him get hurt after finishing off the wild turkey

[klkak]

Frank is one of the few guys I know that can easily kill Wild Turkey without a knife. Or any other weapon for that matter.

Franks gonna make some lucky woman a fine mountain man one day.:clap::innocent:

[klkak]

I'm kinda partial to brunettes and Alaskan Amber.

[welderguy]

Red heads are the best. :innocent:

I just got rid of one so I am in debate over this one.

[huntermj]

in truth, im a new englander. i like auburn and long trail.

[welderguy]

I think Im going to try bald, and md 20/20 this go round

[huntermj]

Wait, what was this thread about?

[BENESSE]

I think Im going to try bald, and md 20/20 this go round

Certainly less competition with that choice.
Smart thinking.

[crashdive123]

Wait, what was this thread about?

I don't think I want to know.

[welderguy]

Ok to get back on topic Here it is hands down the worlds best survival knife.

And if you want to showoff how skilled a survivalist you are youll get one of the shovels to match

[hunter63]

Ok to get back on topic Here it is hands down the worlds best survival knife.

And if you want to showoff how skilled a survivalist you are youll get one of the shovels to match

No, No, No, not one of those!
I have one of THESE and it The Greatest Knife in the WORLD!
and under $10 bucks!


http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=90714

(actually I do have one, got it as a door prize at a Sportsman Dinner, LOL)

[Justin Case]

No, No, No, not one of those!
I have one of THESE and it The Greatest Knife in the WORLD!
and under $10 bucks!


http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=90714

(actually I do have one, got it as a door prize at a Sportsman Dinner, LOL)

Hey That looks a lot like the Buckmaster I used to have , (before it got ripped off :sneaky2:) anyway,, Is it any good Hunter ?

[welderguy]

No, No, No, not one of those!
I have one of THESE and it The Greatest Knife in the WORLD!
and under $10 bucks!


http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=90714

(actually I do have one, got it as a door prize at a Sportsman Dinner, LOL)

Ok but does it have a matching shovel Huh ?:cool2:

[huntermj]

No, No , No
this is the best survival knife ever.

[crashdive123]

No, No , No
this is the best survival knife ever.

I've got a pretty good imagination, but..................

[huntermj]

What, you couldnt see the picture i had trouble posting?

[crashdive123]

Ah - got it now. Yep - I remember seeing that knife before and would agree that it is a might fine one at that. Glad to see you got the buckskin package.

[hunter63]

Hey That looks a lot like the Buckmaster I used to have , (before it got ripped off :sneaky2:) anyway,, Is it any good Hunter ?
No, not really, oh wait, ya there, pretty good, thats the ticket, you betcha, I'll sell it to ya for say $30 bucks?


Ok but does it have a matching shovel Huh ?:cool2:
No, you win, it got no shovel............


No, No , No
this is the best survival knife ever.

Yo, there, nice hide, what are you gonna chop with that little thing, LOL

I wear it around to scare off the sheeple, gotta wear a head band with it though.

[huntermj]

yup, got the package. And will start a new thread when ready to make some mocks. But i want to get it right, an animal gave its life for this and i want to honer that by doing it right. Aggg i need to upload the ispell thing. Again

[hunter63]

Yo, Hmj, found the pattern for the high top moc's.
You intersted?
PM Me

[huntermj]

Of course. and thank you

[randyt]

i prefer cheap redheads and if i'm going to drink beer i'll drink pabst.

[welderguy]

i prefer cheap redheads and if i'm going to drink beer i'll drink pabst.

Damn you know my ex then dont ya.

[randyt]

nope, nope, nope, i stay away from wives and ex-wives, it's a whole lot safer.

[FVR]

I put on the mocs, sneak up around the bush, aha! there is that Wild Turkey. As I slowly move in for the kill, I don't need no stinkin knife, bow, or gun. As I slowly sneak up on the Turkey, watching, always watching for the hen bird that may make alot of racket.

Slowly, all of a sudden, swish... my hand is around the neck of the Turkey. Constantly looking and listening for the hen bird or the little chicks that keep running around.

I reach up...ready to twist the neck of that Wild Turkey...Aw Crap. I've been busted by the hen bird, the chicks saw me.

Maaa....Daddy's opening that bottle again.


Ah, another day, another hunt.

[Pict]

The word for knife in Portuguese is "Faca". I teach it as an acrostic for selecting a knife.

F - Forte (strong)
A - Amolada (sharp)
C - Curto (short)
A - Aqui (here, as in the knife you have with you)

Beyond that just make sure it looks like a knife.

Point, edge, handle, sheath. No need to complicate things.

[Tripwire]

Rambo said this is a good one

http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/rambo/images/rb4blog.jpg

Doubles as a cleaver, camp axe, tomahawk, and can opener

[justin_baker]

Needs to be moderately sized. Needs to be able to chop decent size wood, down a tree if you absolutley have to, and be small enough to do any light task.
This is a good choice,
http://www.amazon.com/Gerber-22-01589-Rock-Camp-Knife/dp/B000VL4G30
http://www.survivalistsoutfitter.com/MerchantUploads/edgeAcroboo/1589.jpg
Its build like a tank, has decent edge retention, weighted and sized perfectly as a lightweight trekking knife with plenty of firepower.

[Rick]

This is a typical..."What's the best survival knife?" .....thread. Enjoying seeing one crop up now and then. Mostly "then", however.

[welderguy]

This is a typical..."What's the best survival knife?" .....thread. Enjoying seeing one crop up now and then. Mostly "then", however.

Did you enjoy this one Rick?

[Fisherman Dylan]

I like the knife in your fist post sarge and can anybody say derailed? XD

[Sarge47]

I like the knife in your fist post sarge and can anybody say derailed? XD
My "fist" post? :confused1: Oh, you mean this one? :death: This is why school is so important, you must learn how to spell! :cool2: The adults that mis-spell on here are no longer in school, so they can't help it! :innocent:

[hunter63]

My "fist" post? :confused1: Oh, you mean this one? :death: This is why school is so important, you must learn how to spell! :cool2: The adults that mis-spell on here are no longer in school, so they can't help it! :innocent:

And with out a "spellchecker", like working with out a net........used to be real important?
Sarge, you are showing your/our age, LOL., pet peeve of mine as well.

[Fisherman Dylan]

I was talking about the mora 200 and my bad about the spelling. I didn't realize that my keyboards batteries were dying and sometime the keys wouldn't work. I now have new batteries tho ^__^

[trax]

Man, you were doing so well RD, then you had to go ask that question. Read what FVR had to say about knives, he's right, but I'll qualify it with you're still better off with one than without. Whatever knife you have with you, know what you can do with it before you head out and that's going to be your survival knife. Think in these terms: if you're in a situation in the wilderness where just your own survival (getting out of that situation) is your only concern, did you have the good sense to bring a knife to begin with? If you answered yes, good on ya', if no, then you have hopefully taken some time to learn how to survive without a knife.

(ah ha! he responded, thank you Trax)

...and if you really want to go shopping for a knife, check out klkak's reviews on the mora.

[Sarge47]

I was talking about the mora 200 and my bad about the spelling. I didn't realize that my keyboards batteries were dying and sometime the keys wouldn't work. I now have new batteries tho ^__^
Must be working off of a laptop. And it's Mora 2000, not 200. Trax is right, read the reviews using the links I posted earlier. Here's why we hate that question around here; if you ask it you'll get over a hundred different answers because everybody has their faves! Many will cost a lot more than you will have the loot for. Many will not be right for you. That's why I listed the Mora knives. They get the job done at a reasonable cost & if you add that long-bladed knife then you're pretty well equipped for anything. Also, there is no "one, perfect, survival knife." No "one size fits all." I have several knives & I bought them because I liked the way they looked. Like FVR, I believe it was, said: You can get by with a butcher knife if you had to. For awhile Bear Grylls tried to sell a custom made knife from Baileys in the UK with a 4" blade...The cost was over $700. I don't think he sold very many. :cool2:

[crashdive123]

For me - it's not that I mind the question - it's that there is no correct answer. By the way - what do you mean by the term "survival knife"?

[Sourdough]

For me - it's not that I mind the question - it's that there is no correct answer. By the way - what do you mean by the term "survival knife"?


Perhaps you are onto something, Crash. Maybe the problem is what it is called. I have about 60 to 80 knives, but I do not own a survival knife. But then I also have NO survival gear/equipment, nor any survival skills.

Maybe we should BAN the words: "Survival Knife", and substitute: "reachable sharp tool". Or "RST" Now I have a RST under the seat of my Snow Machine. I have a RST in the grain barn for cutting feedbags, and bailing-twine. I generally have a RST on my belt.

Hey: Sarge why not BAN the word Survival knife.......:clap::clap:

[BENESSE]

Perhaps you are onto something, Crash. Maybe the problem is what it is called. I have about 60 to 80 knives, but I do not own a survival knife. But then I also have NO survival gear/equipment, nor any survival skills.


I agree.
The idea of any one thing being a "Survival X" is totally simplistic and can be misleading if taken literally.
And some of the younger folks just might take it that way.

[Rick]

Then again...there are some items that are generally geared toward that very thing. SPOT, 36 hour candles, Quikclot, water straws, etc. There's nothing wrong with the word or the concept. There are situations when it's quite practical. Any knife you use in a survival situation would, in fact, be a "survival" knife.

[BENESSE]

Then again...there are some items that are generally geared toward that very thing. SPOT, 36 hour candles, Quikclot, water straws, etc. There's nothing wrong with the word or the concept. There are situations when it's quite practical. Any knife you use in a survival situation would, in fact, be a "survival" knife.

But then why label it as such?
IMO it dilutes the concept.

Q: What's the best survival knife?
A: The one that helps you survive

End of discussion

[Fisherman Dylan]

I now understand. And he probably didnt sell any of his knifes.

[Sourdough]

Rick, by discouraging the use of the Words like "Survival Knife", we reinforce, and hammer the idea that anything "reachable and sharp", even a sharp rock, or broken glass is a tool.

This Forum could lead the paradigm shift, we could change the probability of the survival of one human life, by teaching the world to not think in terms of a word tool for a set application, but that any"thing" reachable is a tool. We really could do this.

[Rick]

But then why label it as such?
IMO it dilutes the concept.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion as frivolous as it appears to be. And you can hang on to it if you don't mind being wrong.

(snort, chuckle)

[Rick]

Pardigm shift? This forum? Well, yea...nah. Have you seen the quality of folks around here? Some of 'em are lucky if they can shift a 3 speed.

[Justin Case]

On a Whim, I just looked up "Survival Knife" on Wikipedia, It is really kind of Interesting and gives examples and Origins ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_knife

[Sourdough]

So is a "So Called" Survival Knife, still a survival knife if you can't quite reach it.....? or is it a piece of unless shinny metal........?

[hunter63]

Pardigm shift? This forum? Well, yea...nah. Have you seen the quality of folks around here? Some of 'em are lucky if they can shift a 3 speed.

Wow, man, a shift?, far out, man, haven't been in a shift for a spell, just look out the corners of you eyes you will see "Stuff", man.

Seriously now, we all need to get our knife preferences out there, so the younger generation can learn, like, right?
So like whats the deal?
I think we should schedule a "Survival Knife" discussion once a month, just "because"?

[Rick]

Sourdough - I agree with you. Like Kevin says, "If you can't reach your kit when you need it....Its useless." I feel the same way about whatever you need when you need it. If that knife (or whatever) is lost and unreachable then it's a "Could Have Been Survival Knife".

[crashdive123]

I was actually being serious when I asked young Ranger Dylan what he meant when he used the term survival knife. I don't know if he uses it as a term for his "go to" knife, or just the latest fad expression.

This forum isn't too bad when it comes to using the term survival. Most have a pretty level headed idea of what it is, and will guide those with a romanticized view of the term to some state of reality. If that doesn't work, we just send Sarge after them.

On other forums (I know - I was shocked as well to find out they existed) the term survival is thrown around like candy. In those cases, it's meaningless - just a bad plot line in a B movie. So much of this annoyance comes from marketing. Products like Survival Seed Bank, Survival Food, Survival Knives, Survival Guns, Survival ad nauseum just dilute the actual meaning and play on peoples fears to market their products.

[hunter63]

Crash I have to agree with you.
The terms are thrown around, a lot, with no clue of actual usage other than a few movies and TV shows.
My "go to" knife and if I had a choice of ONE knife it would be a Swiss Army Knife, then add to that as needed.

[Justin Case]

not me,, I want the Rambo super deluxe with optional luggage rack and off road lights ;)

[RangerXanatos]

My "survival" knife that I feel like I would want most as if I were going to be thrown into a survival situation changes. Sometimes I'd want my kuhkuri, other times my BK-2, one of my moras, swiss army knife, multi-tool, and sometimes I even feel like I would prefer with my Opinel. But if I was given the opportunity, I'd take them ALL. Like others have said, there is no right answer to this question. Just different people's opinions.

[FVR]

Ah Ha! The question is not what knife, but how many do you carry?

So, how many do YOU carry?

I've always got the bowie, then there is the pocket Gerber, in my possibles bag is an old Union Cutlery 5" folder, on the strap is a striker knife with a 3.5" blade. Deeper in the bag are a variety of trade points rough sharpened, then there is the hand ax in the back pocket of the bag.

If I'm not going prim. then there will be a Leatherman on the belt, oh and if I have my bow with the modern homemade quiver then there is the Gerber Gator in it's case on the side of that.

Then there are a few misc. flint or chert tools that stay in the bottom of the bag for skinning critters.

Sometimes I substitute the bowie with the hawk.

Oh, I forgot, in the woods I always carry my pioneer style home made file knife. It's the workhorse.

And if you've been here long enough, ya know I like to throw knives. All my knives are throwable and if you are within 20 yards you could look like a pin cushion.


But if I had to take one and only one knife, it would be the sparker knife. 3.5" of blade is enough and it throws sparks with most rocks.

[finallyME]

Ah Ha! The question is not what knife, but how many do you carry?

So, how many do YOU carry?



2 to 3. I always have the multitool, and the Mora. Sometimes I bring the SRk along for fun. He gets lonely at home sometimes.

[finallyME]

I think we should schedule a "Survival Knife" discussion once a month, just "because"?

Or....we could all just write up a pre-answer to the question and save it. When someone asks the question again, cut and paste. :innocent:

[hunter63]

Or....we could all just write up a pre-answer to the question and save it. When someone asks the question again, cut and paste. :innocent:

What would the fun in that?
It is kinda fun seeing what different people come up with, and the different uses.
I even picked up a couple of Opinel, after seeing them here, cool little knife.

Most of my time is either hunting, camping primitive, working in the brush, clearing, cutting, etc.
So I do have a variety of different "tools" to do what ever job is at hand.

Anyway, I guess a standard list would help out if asked the dreaded question, "Which Knife is the Best?"

[Stargazer]

Have you seen the quality of folks around here? Some of 'em are lucky if they can shift a 3 speed.

Do they even make a 3 speed any more.Boy Rick you sure are showing your age buddy.

Two feet and 3 pedals.What more is there to say.

[survivalpro#4]

i would take one of your sak there light weight and there easy to fit in tightly packed areas like your kit.

[survivalpro#4]

i want to geta fixed blade survival knife thats not to big or not to small and not to expensive like $80

[crashdive123]

i want to geta fixed blade survival knife thats not to big or not to small and not to expensive like $80

OK - a couple of questions for your first, so I can tailor my answer for you.
1. How old are you?
2. What do you want to use it for (types of tasks you want to do with it)?
3. What experience do you have with a fixed blade knife?

[pocomoonskyeyes]

First let me warn you. You are going to get 100 different responses from 100 different people. Some are even going to say "Oh NO!! Not THAT question again!!"

Mora's are good, most knives that have a blade from 4-6 inches are going to be pretty good, depending on the design, thickness, and Grind.

Personally (JUST MY OPINION), I prefer a fixed blade,full tang knife, that is made from a Good Quality steel. It would have a point that could be used for tight spots and easily sharpened. Some prefer stainless, I prefer High Carbon steel. Really it is hard to beat a Mora for value and price. For $80 you could buy 5 or 6 and have some pretty good knives. If you broke one,so what, you still have several more.

Still just my opinion, but knives are like wrenches,screwdrivers or any other tool. Some are Specialty use, some are general use. I would rather "layer" my knife choices so that use and size somewhat "overlap". Example: Swiss Army Knife (SAK), Liner lock @8-9 inches Over all Length(OAL) Good sheath knife about 9-10 inches OAL, small Machete in the 12 inch blade range, Hatchet, Tomahawk, or small Camp axe. Add to that a chisel, and saw and you have all the woods cutting tools you would need to do a LOT with. Using saw,chisel, and knife you can Craft all sorts of things. Traps, furniture, Shelters......

The best thing to do is ask YOURSELF "what uses will I put it to?" Then go from there.

[Sarge47]

ARGHHHHHHHHH!!!

I give up! (Walks away shaking head.) :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash:

[survivalpro#4]

i am 13 so i dont want a big knife that i cant controll i just want one to carry with me when i go build shelters behind my house and just survival and i have very little experiance

[lucznik]

O.K. I don't mean this to be insulting but...

At 13 y.o. and with "very little experience," I'm not sure a fixed-blade knife is a good choice. The Boy Scouts of America limits knives carried by their young men (ranging in ages from 11 to 18) to folding knives and I think there is a fair amount of good logic behind their rule. I know that my oldest (12 y.o. in June) isn't allowed to have a fixed-blade knife unless I'm right there with him, but he does have and carries most places his own pocketknife (as does my 9 y.o.).

A good Swiss Army Knife would have all the tools you need for "building shelters and just survival," can be easily had in lock-back configurations if so desired, and would, in general (and of course IMO), be a wiser choice for someone as young as you.

[Camp10]

i am 13 so i dont want a big knife that i cant controll i just want one to carry with me when i go build shelters behind my house and just survival and i have very little experiance

Then you should perhaps ask your parents what knife they might let you have.

[Sarge47]

i am 13 so i dont want a big knife that i cant controll i just want one to carry with me when i go build shelters behind my house and just survival and i have very little experiance
If you're 13 join the Boy Scouts & get advice from them! Your screen name says "survivalpro #4" (what happened to the 1st 3 'survialpros?:innocent:) This implies that you already know the answer to that question. most retailers in my state will not sell a knife to anybody under 18, so you might have to have a parent order it for you. However, & this is the only advice you're going to get from me on this subject, check out the Survival Mora 2000 on The "Safe Zone" thread I posted. It's about 30 bucks. If that's to much check out the cheaper ones, they're all great starter knives that won't break the bank! :cool2:

[survivalpro#4]

the first three were before me and my parents are fine with it i asked them

[Sarge47]

the first three were before me and my parents are fine with it i asked them
Then they'll need to order for you; again, I strongly suggest "Safe Zone" as Rick takes good care of the membership when they order from him! Psssst! (whispering) he's also a Scoutmaster, so keep the prior BSA history on the QT! :sneaky2:

[survivalpro#4]

im not going to get the knife right now i was just wondering what were good brands to get i dont need any more knives

[crashdive123]

Thanks for answering the questions I asked SP#4. I think the suggestion of a small folder like the Swiss Army Knife is a good one. Depending on which one you get there are many other useful tools on it that will do everything you have indicated that you want to do. What every you do - do it with your parents. That is really important. Scouting is a good program for many young men. Talk to your parents about that too. Obviously things like this are going to require the involvement of your parents. Remember - it's really important.

[survivalpro#4]

i know my dad is strict about that and i under stand it and i already have a sak

[roar-k]

Start with a SAK and go from there. Every boy should have a SAK while they are growing up. SAKs can be used outdoors or for EDC.

I still have all 3 that were given to me while growing up.

[Camp10]

I would pick the RAT-5 in 1095 steel. It might be a challenge finding it under $80 but it is a good knife...for something made in a factory.:innocent:

[Sarge47]

...with Camp 10. This is the kind of stuff that I was afraid would happen. a 13 year old should NEVER carry a large fixed-blade. You're SAK is perfect for now. Later on you could check into a Mora, preferably the Survival 2000, but you can also get a good one for half of what they cost. A RAT-5 is no knife for a 13 year-old to be playing around with! :cool2:

[roar-k]

...with Camp 10. This is the kind of stuff that I was afraid would happen. a 13 year old should NEVER carry a large fixed-blade. You're SAK is perfect for now. Later on you could check into a Mora, preferably the Survival 2000, but you can also get a good one for half of what they cost. A RAT-5 is no knife for a 13 year-old to be playing around with! :cool2:

+1 to that. I had my SAK from the time I was 5 - 14 and then my grandfather gave me an old pilot survival knife. He told me since I was able to keep my SAK in good repair I could have it. Then about 2yrs. later my godfather gave me the KA-BAR he used while he was a marine.


survivalpro start out with something you know you will use and become acquainted with. Then down the road find something with a little more heft if you wish, but I would advise to still keep your SAK around or at least a good pocket knife. While I love my RC-4, most chores I can accomplish with a small folder or fixed blade.

[Pict]

I suggest we make this and a few other topics a sticky. It's not that the topic gets done to death, it is a primary topic of concern for guys like this who are just starting out. While I understand the frustration it can be avoided by having a distillation of the best info collected in one location that we can point people to, sort of a FAQ section.

Everybody started out somewhere and I know I bought a lot of knives and have seen my students buy all sorts of crap before they learn what to look for.

In answer to the OP. If you really are wanting to get into a fixed blade knife for wilderness survival and bushcraft then I suggest you start with a Mora and learn how to sharpen. It will do you no good to buy an expensive blade if you don't know how to get it back to a razor edge. As your ability to sharpen increases then you may want to invest in a better knife with better steel etc. Unless you can sharpen well you won't know the difference between 1095, A2, D2, O1 etc, you will just sharpen your expensive knife poorly.

I have been involved with wilderness survival and bushcraft for the past 30 years and when I run my survival course here in Brazil we use the $10 Mora and the $6 Tramontina machete. That is where I start new students. Once they learn serious knife skills they can go on to purchase more expensive knives. I also have other more expensive knives including a $200 Skookum bushtool, it is a fantastic knife. You will get 80% of that fantastic knife function with a $10 Mora.

Start with a carbon steel Mora and buy sharpening stones with it. You are learning to use a system not just a knife. Mac

[Camp10]

...with Camp 10. This is the kind of stuff that I was afraid would happen. a 13 year old should NEVER carry a large fixed-blade. You're SAK is perfect for now. Later on you could check into a Mora, preferably the Survival 2000, but you can also get a good one for half of what they cost. A RAT-5 is no knife for a 13 year-old to be playing around with! :cool2:

A Mora has a 4 1/2" blade and the RAT-5 has a 5". I cant see how a kid can "play" with one but not the other.:sneaky2: The RAT will keep its edge far longer (a dull knife is more dangerous...right?)

He said his parents were okay with him owning a fixed blade knife. I offered no advice until he posted that. I have never seen a SAK with a fixed blade so I dont know how that might help him in his hunt for a fixed blade. Plus, he had posted this prior to my answer:

Quote:survivalpro#4 im not going to get the knife right now i was just wondering what were good brands to get i dont need any more knives

Tell me how I steered him wrong.

[Sarge47]

A Mora has a 4 1/2" blade and the RAT-5 has a 5". I cant see how a kid can "play" with one but not the other.:sneaky2: The RAT will keep its edge far longer (a dull knife is more dangerous...right?)

He said his parents were okay with him owning a fixed blade knife. I offered no advice until he posted that. I have never seen a SAK with a fixed blade so I dont know how that might help him in his hunt for a fixed blade. Plus, he had posted this prior to my answer:

Quote:survivalpro#4 im not going to get the knife right now i was just wondering what were good brands to get i dont need any more knives

Tell me how I steered him wrong.

1st of all the kid's 13, we don't know for sure if his dad IS okay with it. 2nd the knife will be at least pretty close to 90 bucks with S & H; & the young man said LOW price, remember? (I wouldn't pay that much for a knife & I'm a lot older, BTW) If the kid loses it he's out a lot of cash. 3rd, the handle of the RAT 5 will fit a man's hand a lot better than that of a child (yes, that's what he is.) & is probably heavier than a Mora. I'm thinking something light-weight that won't break the bank...IF, & only IF the kid is really looking into getting a fixed blade with parental approval as they're the ones who are going to have to order it. Even then I'm hesitant because of liability issues. Remember the give-away back-pack that was originally offered to any new member UNDER 18; then changed to over 18? That was one of the reasons why the giver decided to change the age limit. In dealing with minors you need to be very careful these days. :cool2:

[SARKY]

If your parents are OK with it and perhaps do a little adult supervision after you get it, I would recommend a RAT RC-5/SERE. It will take a heck of a batonig to damage the blade. So just save up your pennies ubtil you can afford one.

[Sarge47]

If your parents are OK with it and perhaps do a little adult supervision after you get it, I would recommend a RAT RC-5/SERE. It will take a heck of a batonig to damage the blade. So just save up your pennies ubtil you can afford one.
Stay away from batoning altogether! It can get you injured really bad! If you're going to chop anything use the right tool for the job. I carry a small, lightweight "Backpacker's" hand axe made by Buck. Get back into Scouts & learn the right way, even if you have to find a different troop! I do agree with Sarky on saving your pennies, by then you should be a lot older. :sneaky2:

And if you need other Brand names there's Gerber, Buck, Kershaw, Cold Steel, Ka-bar, Becker, yada, yada, yada.....:innocent:

[jc1234]

well in the 54 pages of replies, Im sure Im just repeating whats been said, but Im stuck at home with a cast on and bored...so Im replying lol.

I find that a 1/4" thick blade of well tempered carbon or stainless steel (pick your poison) is my magic number. it can provide lateral stability if needed, I can pry with it, I can do almost anything with it, never having to worry about it snapping and injuring myself, never being afraid to use it when I need it because I know its up to the task. There are really strong specialty steels, but they generally bend instead of break...I dont want the blade to bend or break...hence my 1/4" thick requirement.

I feel a big knife can do everything a small one can, but not the other way around. Although if you just use your knife for cutting and thats it, a smaller blade will be just fine I suppose. I like a blade 8 - 12" long with 1 - 3" of serrations towards the rear of the blade. They work great for some tasks and they wont get in the way of slashing or cutting tasks with that much knife in front of them. I like a wider blade for a nice belly. full tang is a must for me and removable scales (those are the only things that need replacing on a well made knife in my non professional opinion).

Im currently have an 11" blade custom made for me with every feature Ive decided I needed over the years, but nothing is wrong with a middle of the road factory made knife...Ive used them for over 20 years, again for me...thickness of the blade above all else will get you through the day, I just felt it was time to get exactly what I wanted and I happened know know a great bladesmith who specializes in utility / survival type knives was more than willing to take on the task.

As far as the 13 year old who wants a knife. I think a fixed blade is a better idea than a folder. I seem to recall that most injuries Ive seen in kids and teens with knives have been them closing a folder on a finger accidentally, even with the new lock blades. I also think that kids tend to play with folders like a toy when bored, but fixed blades are just tools (even if they are "cool" looking) and not treated as much as a thing to play with when bored....but I have limited experience.

[KurtistheTurtle]

before i get on topic i just want to say i love this thread so much. 68 pages of talk about knives. i am so glad something like this exists


Needs to be moderately sized. Needs to be able to chop decent size wood, down a tree if you absolutley have to, and be small enough to do any light task.
This is a good choice,
http://www.amazon.com/Gerber-22-01589-Rock-Camp-Knife/dp/B000VL4G30
http://www.survivalistsoutfitter.com/MerchantUploads/edgeAcroboo/1589.jpg
Its build like a tank, has decent edge retention, weighted and sized perfectly as a lightweight trekking knife with plenty of firepower.
just bought it for some work this month. hope it works!

[NCO]

I will comment about Boy Scouts rule about no fixed blades for young guys. Are they idiots?(said with a humongous grin)

I got my first knife when I was 2 years old. It was a fixed blade age old puukko. So dull that the backside was probably sharper than the blade, for obvious safety reasons. Having it familiarized me with the knife. When I was around 5yo I had a sharp knife and I was busy making willow whistles and sharp sticks.

[Sarge47]

I will comment about Boy Scouts rule about no fixed blades for young guys. Are they idiots?(said with a humongous grin)

I got my first knife when I was 2 years old. It was a fixed blade age old puukko. So dull that the backside was probably sharper than the blade, for obvious safety reasons. Having it familiarized me with the knife. When I was around 5yo I had a sharp knife and I was busy making willow whistles and sharp sticks.

"I will comment about Boy Scouts rule about no fixed blades for young guys. Are they idiots?(said with a humongous grin)" For the most part, many are. Also there's the problem with liability here as our country is "sue-happy!" Remember, "Be Prepared," & that includes avoiding law suits because little Johnny played Numpty & cut the crap out of his hand.

" got my first knife when I was 2 years old. It was a fixed blade age old puukko. So dull that the backside was probably sharper than the blade, for obvious safety reasons. Having it familiarized me with the knife. When I was around 5yo I had a sharp knife and I was busy making willow whistles and sharp sticks." That's what we call being "the exception." Today, here in America, if a parent gave a 2 year old child a knife they would soon be arrested for "Child Endangerment," among other charges & have that child removed from their care. Sounds harsh, I know, but it is what it is. :cool2:

[NCO]

Now that's some big font!

I understand the liability and cultural difference, and I do not, in any shape or form, encourage anyone to act against the rules and laws of your country or club.

I just every now and then forget that in most western world some of the customs we have are so alien.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Now that's some big font!

I understand the liability and cultural difference, and I do not, in any shape or form, encourage anyone to act against the rules and laws of your country or club.

I just every now and then forget that in most western world some of the customs we have are so alien.

Let me help clear this up! The rearing of a child is the responsibility of the parent no matter where you are at! Teaching a very young child to use a knife is not reckless endangerment of a child in America. Failure to supervise and parent the child is. My daughter uses and carries a knife at home and on outings and when preparing food all under my watchful eye. There has not been one scratch on her. Cultural difference maybe...but that difference exists inside of the US and your country. You have city slickers and you have the good ole boys! My daughter is also taught the proper handling and use of firearms. Both began being taught at birth!

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

"I will comment about Boy Scouts rule about no fixed blades for young guys. Are they idiots?(said with a humongous grin)" For the most part, many are. Also there's the problem with liability here as our country is "sue-happy!" Remember, "Be Prepared," & that includes avoiding law suits because little Johnny played Numpty & cut the crap out of his hand.

" got my first knife when I was 2 years old. It was a fixed blade age old puukko. So dull that the backside was probably sharper than the blade, for obvious safety reasons. Having it familiarized me with the knife. When I was around 5yo I had a sharp knife and I was busy making willow whistles and sharp sticks." That's what we call being "the exception." Today, here in America, if a parent gave a 2 year old child a knife they would soon be arrested for "Child Endangerment," among other charges & have that child removed from their care. Sounds harsh, I know, but it is what it is. :cool2:

As an American parent I don't agree with the reckless endangerment of a child statement about America. But, then I don't think you meant it the way I read it.

[Spectre1]

I've found I can get a large knife to do small jobs, but a small knife to do a big job is another story.

[TheWoodsman]

I just ordered a Fallkniven F1 but want another knife becuase who dosen't and i caeme across a company named Cold Steel and they make good knives it seems. Was wondering what knives you all reccomend and if you have tired any from Cold Steel?

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I just ordered a Fallkniven F1 but want another knife becuase who dosen't and i caeme across a company named Cold Steel and they make good knives it seems. Was wondering what knives you all reccomend and if you have tired any from Cold Steel?

Ha, Ha!!! That's a good one! Have you ever read this forum?

BTW, Don't know who you are but welcome.

[Old GI]

What??? I don't recall any forum participants voicing an opinion on knives. Where would they be?:oops:

[welderguy]

I just ordered a Fallkniven F1 but want another knife becuase who dosen't and i caeme across a company named Cold Steel and they make good knives it seems. Was wondering what knives you all reccomend and if you have tired any from Cold Steel?

Cold steel knives are good they seem to hold up well I have a couple and I like them.
Just a friendly suggestion, the forum is full of knife reviews take a few minutes and browse the forum you may find some info your looking for.

[Sarge47]

Don't see an intro & there's no profile on you in your user profile. :thumbdown: Intro 1st, info 2nd, fair enough?

[crashdive123]

Cold Stell makes some OK knives. There really is a lot to choose from. Your intended use and personal preference will determine what is best for you. Even in the Cold Steel line, you have quite a few choices.

[Camp10]

What??? I don't recall any forum participants voicing an opinion on knives. Where would they be?:oops:

I once voiced an opinion about a knife....I just keep it to myself now.

[Rick]

It would be helpful if you guys could tell me the best all around survival knife. I've been thinking about going to the woods with one.

[Camp10]

It would be helpful if you guys could tell me the best all around survival knife. I've been thinking about going to the woods with one.

This one!:no::yes::innocent:

http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad337/lewisknives/100_0088-1.jpg

Yeah, I own one but it isnt what you think...I found it in the garage when I bought the place. I just dragged it in for this picture...honest!

[Rick]

That's exactly what I was hoping to take to the woods with me. It doesn't happen to have a compass in the handle to does it? That would be swell if it does. I like the pop bottle opener. I usually carry a couple of sodas with me when I hike.

[crashdive123]

Well, there's always the Rambo Super Deer Slayer Delux with Laser/Holo Sight/Scope/Tac Light.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii67/crashdive123/RamboKnife001.jpg

[BENESSE]

It would be helpful if you guys could tell me the best all around survival knife. I've been thinking about going to the woods with one.

You can't go wrong with a #1 choice of those who like it best. :sneaky2:

[Rick]

Wow! If that thing just had Crashcarta handles I would so be like in the woods looking for a bear.

[Camp10]

That's exactly what I was hoping to take to the woods with me. It doesn't happen to have a compass in the handle to does it? That would be swell if it does. I like the pop bottle opener. I usually carry a couple of sodas with me when I hike.

Oh, you know it has the compass! You can also see that the buyer ordered the camo version instead of a lesser knife made in black...yup, this thing would get you deep into .......the woods?

[Rick]

You can also see that the buyer ordered the camo version

(Wink) The buyer.....yeah.

[Camp10]

(Wink) The buyer.....yeah.

Yeah, the buyer...I was way to young to buy a knife when these things were new!:innocent:

[Winter]

I should just save to notepad this answer.


I have my knife selection and you have yours. What I have works for me in the bush. (I got pictures)

If your knife works for you, GREAT.

If you show a pic of your new knife and tell me it's the best knife ever,; you should do pushups.

[Rick]

At this stage in life pushups are pretty easy. My fingers just barely touch the floor. I only have to roll back and forth a little. Imagine an exercise ball and you'll have the idea.

[Sarge47]

I suggest a good Mora knife....:devil:

[GLOCKMASTER]

I purchased this Bark River Bravo-1 (http://www.barkriverknifetool.com/knifedetail.asp?kid=46#title) a few months ago. So far it seems well made and the sheath is made of kydex with a fire steel carry loop mounted on the side. Here is a quick picture that I took in the backyard right after it arrived. I will get some more pictures posted as soon as I can get it to the field.

http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n355/STR8SHTER/KidsShooting004.jpg

[crashdive123]

Good looking knife.

[Rick]

I see they've started using Crashcarta for their scales.

[kyratshooter]

I should just save to notepad this answer.


I have my knife selection and you have yours. What I have works for me in the bush. (I got pictures)

If your knife works for you, GREAT.

If you show a pic of your new knife and tell me it's the best knife ever,; you should do pushups.

But what if your knife does not work for you, and you just don't know the difference due to never having the perfect knife, like we do?

[Sarge47]

I purchased this Bark River Bravo-1 (http://www.barkriverknifetool.com/knifedetail.asp?kid=46#title) a few months ago. So far it seems well made and the sheath is made of kydex with a fire steel carry loop mounted on the side. Here is a quick picture that I took in the backyard right after it arrived. I will get some more pictures posted as soon as I can get it to the field.

http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n355/STR8SHTER/KidsShooting004.jpg
Well let's see if it passes my "3 absolutes" test:

1.) Great quality steel...CHECK!

2.) RH 54 to 58...CHECK!

3.) Priced under a hundred bucks!...NO!

Pretty knife...pretty expensive that is, I can buy three or four Becker's for the price of one of those. :thumbdown: :cool2:

[GLOCKMASTER]

Well let's see if it passes my "3 absolutes" test:

1.) Great quality steel...CHECK!

2.) RH 54 to 58...CHECK!

3.) Priced under a hundred bucks!...NO!

Pretty knife...pretty expensive that is, I can buy three or four Becker's for the price of one of those. :thumbdown: :cool2:

Well since this one doesn't pass your "3" absolutes test I will see if I can snap a few pictures to post of my old K-Bar that I carried when I was in the Corps. That should pass.:tt2:

[Rick]

Yeah, that one just cost 4 years.

[Sarge47]

Better yet, I could buy 5 or 6 of these! I got one and this is my favorite!

http://www.safezonellc.com/mora2000.html :tt2:

[Highhawk1948]

There is a lot to say on this topic but I'll just suggest that you get you a good american made knife, "orginal american made" Old Timer sheath knife, a Puukko knife is good, the bush type mora knives are good, plenty of good knives. Buy a solid knife. I have been in the woods all of my life and have made a career in the woods and have used many knives. My choice of knives is Randall Made Knives, out of Orlando Florida. Yes they are expensive, but they are the best and they have a model for whatever you are looking for. But you don't have to spend a lot of money. The Kabar is a good example. Mora and Puukka are very resonable. I have also used Buck, Case, and Old Timer. Get a good knife, keep it sharp and don't use it for things that it is not intended for. ( I have never had to "baton"!) Good Luck,



Ride, Shoot Straight, Speak the Truth.

[Lamewolf]

Hello Everyone,

I too have a survival kit problem. I have a master list that would probably fit into a small day pack. Lately though I have been developing a kit in a coffee can. I can describe it later if anyone is interested but on to my problem. It is what type of knife/tool should I put in the kit. I own a leatherman Wave that I carry all the time (even to church) and I have both wenger and victornx SAK(Both carry tidentical gear. Large lock blade, wood saw, philips and flathead drivers, awl). What are some of your opinions out there? Folding vs fixed? Multi tool (leatherman) vs Knife (SAK)?

For years I have seen and heard folks talking about their survival kits and when you look at them, you would think they are packing for a month long vacation. A survival kit should be designed so that it is compact enough to have with you at all times just in case you need it unexpectedly, not as big as a backpack or even a "coffee can" Nothing wrong with using a backpack or coffee can as long as you plan on it being with you everywhere you go, but what happens when you are at church or somewhere else that you simply won't take them along with you. Design your kit small enough so that it can go anywhere with you. In your kit you need a means to make fire - ferro rod, or butane lighter (notice I didn't say "BIC"), and some tinder such as vaseline soaked cotton balls wrapped in aluminum foil, water purification tablets and a means to collect water such as a non lubricated condom or foldable pouch such as a heavy duty ziplock bag. Shelter such as a space blanket or plastic sheet, or a large contractor sized garbage bag. A small fishing kit with a few assorted hooks, splitshot sinkers, fishing line, flies, and a small jig (twigs can be used as a bobber). 4 feet or so of snare wire. Extras can include sewing needles and thread (I prefer dental floss), a small LED light small enough to hang on your keychain, some hard candy or sugar packets. And last but not least a good knife. My kit contains an ESEE Izula which is a small fixed blade knife that is very high quality and guaranteed for life. The Izula is about 6 inches long with a blade slightly less than 3 inches long and made of 1095 carbon steel. All of this can fit in a small pouch that will fit on my belt or in a jacket pocket and be with me everywhere I go just in case. I too have backpack kits and various other larger kits, but they go with me only when I can take them. The small kit allows me to have a kit all the time.

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