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jeffb
08-02-2010, 05:27 PM
Anyways I'm looking for a place in the USA to get away from it all and live long term, like for years and years. Just like Les Stroud "Snowshoes And Solitude" and D*ck Proenneke "Alone In The Wilderness". At first I was thinking of trying one of my local forests like the Cleveland NF, San Bernardino NF, or Angeles NF but there way too crowded with people and forest rangers. I would probably get found out quick. So I'm looking for a place with abundant wildlife, good fishing, good water supply. It would be nice if it was on a big huge lake or river. I could build myself a canoe. I want to go there with a tent, sleeping bag, your usual camping gear, and of course some food supplies at first. Then build myself a cabin, and start hunting and fishing. Anyone know of any place in the USA that would be perfect for this without getting caught by the authorities? Thanks

Sarge47
08-02-2010, 05:32 PM
Anyways I'm looking for a place in the USA to get away from it all and live long term, like for years and years. Just like Les Stroud "Snowshoes And Solitude" and D*ck Proenneke "Alone In The Wilderness". At first I was thinking of trying one of my local forests like the Cleveland NF, San Bernardino NF, or Angeles NF but there way too crowded with people and forest rangers. I would probably get found out quick. So I'm looking for a place with abundant wildlife, good fishing, good water supply. It would be nice if it was on a big huge lake or river. I could build myself a canoe. I want to go there with a tent, sleeping bag, your usual camping gear, and of course some food supplies at first. Then build myself a cabin, and start hunting and fishing. Anyone know of any place in the USA that would be perfect for this without getting caught by the authorities? Thanks
Too little personal info; go here & fill out the template so we'll best know how to answer your question:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7813

Thank you. :cool2:

Justin Case
08-02-2010, 05:52 PM
Try the sporting goods section of a super wal*mart :innocent:

jeffb
08-02-2010, 06:00 PM
Too little personal info; go here & fill out the template so we'll best know how to answer your question:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7813

Thank you. :cool2:

Here you go

Your Approximate Age 33

Your Gender Male

Your Geographic Location (small town in West Virginia, family ranch in Texas, or the the Lower East Side) Southern California

Your Occupation (present and relevant past, such as military, technical, etc.) Used to do construction but now do computer work.

Your Prior Relevant Training (all types, such as first aid, military, firearms, survival, etc.) Not much prior outdoor training

The Nature of Your Prior Experience (Terrain, Season, Number of times/years, and longest duration in Wilderness) About 10 years experience with outdoor camping

Your Level of Experience (novice, intermediate, advanced, expert, instructor, etc.) I would say intermediate

Your Preparedness Planning (type and level) I try to prepare before camping

Your Interests and Hobbies (gardening, wilderness skills, urban survival preparation, knife-making, firearms, food storage, backpacking, etc. ) Hiking, backpacking, camping, outdoor survival

Your Membership and Learning Objectives To learn to become a better outdoorsmans

Ken
08-02-2010, 06:06 PM
Here you go

Your Approximate Age 33

Your Gender Male

Your Geographic Location (small town in West Virginia, family ranch in Texas, or the the Lower East Side) Southern California

Your Occupation (present and relevant past, such as military, technical, etc.) Used to do construction but now do computer work.

Your Prior Relevant Training (all types, such as first aid, military, firearms, survival, etc.) Not much prior outdoor training

The Nature of Your Prior Experience (Terrain, Season, Number of times/years, and longest duration in Wilderness) About 10 years experience with outdoor camping

Your Level of Experience (novice, intermediate, advanced, expert, instructor, etc.) I would say intermediate

Your Preparedness Planning (type and level) I try to prepare before camping

Your Interests and Hobbies (gardening, wilderness skills, urban survival preparation, knife-making, firearms, food storage, backpacking, etc. ) Hiking, backpacking, camping, outdoor survival

Your Membership and Learning Objectives To learn to become a better outdoorsmans

I wonder if'n one of our Mods would be kind enough to move this to Jeff's Introduction thread? :innocent:

hunter63
08-02-2010, 06:24 PM
Anyways I'm looking for a place in the USA to get away from it all and live long term, like for years and years. Just like Les Stroud "Snowshoes And Solitude" and D*ck Proenneke "Alone In The Wilderness". At first I was thinking of trying one of my local forests like the Cleveland NF, San Bernardino NF, or Angeles NF but there way too crowded with people and forest rangers. I would probably get found out quick. So I'm looking for a place with abundant wildlife, good fishing, good water supply. It would be nice if it was on a big huge lake or river. I could build myself a canoe. I want to go there with a tent, sleeping bag, your usual camping gear, and of course some food supplies at first. Then build myself a cabin, and start hunting and fishing. Anyone know of any place in the USA that would be perfect for this without getting caught by the authorities? Thanks

So the question is: Where can I go to avoid authorities, and live for free?

Short answer, not much out there that is liviable, that is not owned, controled or used.

Sadly, that seems to be a dream of a lot of people, but if that's what you want to do, usally means working, getting some money, buying a place, and doing what ever you what, that you can afford and is legal.

welderguy
08-02-2010, 06:28 PM
Try the sporting goods section of a super wal*mart :innocent:

Um they really frown on doing that, especially when you light a fire.:innocent:

crashdive123
08-02-2010, 06:33 PM
Are you looking to buy a piece of remote property, or just freeload on somebody else's land?

jeffb
08-02-2010, 06:36 PM
Are you looking to buy a piece of remote property, or just freeload on somebody else's land?



Freeload on somebody else's land.

welderguy
08-02-2010, 06:38 PM
Freeload on somebody else's land.

Well thats a good attitude to have, Im guessing you eat at soup kitchens and collect food stamps too.

Ken
08-02-2010, 06:39 PM
Tell ya' what. :innocent: I'll let you use some land for a few months, and you can practice clearing it while you get ready for the real thing out there in the wilderness. I'll even supply well water from a garden hose, firewood, and a Porta-John. There's plenty of game and fishing close by. Just leave the dogs, cats, squirrels, and ducks alone, and we'll get along just fine. :sneaky2:

crashdive123
08-02-2010, 06:40 PM
Freeload on somebody else's land.

Then I have no advice for you. Thank you for your honesty.

hunter63
08-02-2010, 06:41 PM
Freeload on somebody else's land.

Good way to get shot these days.

jeffb
08-02-2010, 06:41 PM
Tell ya' what. :innocent: I'll let you use some land for a few months, and you can practice clearing it while you get ready for the real thing out there in the wilderness. I'll even supply well water from a garden hose, firewood, and a Porta-John. There's plenty of game and fishing close by. Just leave the dogs, cats, squirrels, and ducks alone, and we'll get along just fine. :sneaky2:



Sounds like a great deal. I'm interested!

Justin Case
08-02-2010, 06:48 PM
Tell ya' what. :innocent: I'll let you use some land for a few months, and you can practice clearing it while you get ready for the real thing out there in the wilderness. I'll even supply well water from a garden hose, firewood, and a Porta-John. There's plenty of game and fishing close by. Just leave the dogs, cats, squirrels, and ducks alone, and we'll get along just fine. :sneaky2:


Sounds like a great deal. I'm interested!

Me too !,,,,,,,,,

crashdive123
08-02-2010, 06:49 PM
Geez - the guy just signed up. How do you know if he's your type?

BENESSE
08-02-2010, 06:56 PM
Geez - the guy just signed up. How do you know if he's your type?

Ken will just have to use his Bimbo test to make sure.

welderguy
08-02-2010, 06:57 PM
Geez - the guy just signed up. How do you know if he's your type?

ROFLMAO , that there is funny.

Sarge47
08-02-2010, 06:57 PM
Freeload on somebody else's land.
Okay, anybody who wants to be an accessory to a felony raise your hand! Uh, Ken, you'd better stand by, we may have a client for you! :cool2:

welderguy
08-02-2010, 06:58 PM
Ken will just have to use his Bimbo test to make sure.

In this case I dont think it would work.

Sarge47
08-02-2010, 06:59 PM
Um they really frown on doing that, especially when you light a fire.:innocent:
You think they frown on that? Try frying up those little fish over in the pet dept.! Man do they go ballistic! :innocent:

Justin Case
08-02-2010, 07:01 PM
he could always stalk and trap one of those rotisserie chickens from the deli :innocent:

Ken
08-02-2010, 07:04 PM
Sounds like a great deal. I'm interested!


Me too !,,,,,,,,,


I'll prepare the contracts, waivers, and hold harmless agreements. For starters, I'll need up-to-date proof of pre-paid insurance for the period in question, proof of citizenship or authorization to live and work in the United States, and authorization for a criminal background check. :)

Justin Case
08-02-2010, 07:06 PM
I'll prepare the contracts, waivers, and hold harmless agreements. For starters, I'll need up-to-date proof of pre-paid insurance for the period in question, proof of citizenship or authorization to live and work in the United States, and authorization for a criminal background check. :)

Paid Vacation and Health Insurance ?

Sarge47
08-02-2010, 07:09 PM
For starters, I'll need up-to-date proof of pre-paid insurance for the period in question....:)
I thought our President paid for our Health Insurance? :innocent:

Ken
08-02-2010, 07:11 PM
Paid Vacation and Health Insurance ?

Naaah, you don't have to give me any of that. Just leave the dogs, cats, squirrels, and ducks alone. OHHH, YEAH! Leave the girls (23, 19, and 16) alone, too! :sneaky2:

Justin Case
08-02-2010, 07:13 PM
Naaah, you don't have to give me any of that. Just leave the dogs, cats, squirrels, and ducks alone. OHHH, YEAH! Leave the girls (23, 19, and 16) alone, too! :sneaky2:

Forget it ! :sneaky2:

Rick
08-02-2010, 07:19 PM
Jeff, Honestly, I don't know what to say. National Parks generally allow no more than 2 weeks because they don't want squatters moving in to stay. That's essentially what you said you want to do and completely the wrong mind set. Frankly, I'd be pretty pizzed if I walked up on someone that had been living in a park funded by my tax dollars.

If you are truly interested in learning the outdoors then there are a number of threads that will direct you to various jobs to help you learn. Working for a guide, white water rafting company, etc.

You can also find organizations that do camping, hiking, backpacking and a number of other outdoor activities. You just need to search for them. They are scattered all over the place.

http://www.hikingandbackpacking.com/californiaclubs.html

Find some folks that are serious in what they do and learn from them.

Sarge47
08-02-2010, 10:56 PM
I gotta agree with Rick, Jeff; if I found somebody squatting on any woods I might own they better pray I'm not armed & the cops arrest them 1st. Then they're going to find themselves in a whole new "survival situation." Add to that the fact that you want to include members of this forum as accessories/accomplices really bugs me. I gotta say that I'd expect an idea like the one you're planning on coming from somebody a lot younger than 33. Just sayin'...:cool2:

sgtdraino
08-03-2010, 05:17 AM
Anyways I'm looking for a place in the USA to get away from it all and live long term, like for years and years. Just like Les Stroud "Snowshoes And Solitude"


Are you looking to buy a piece of remote property, or just freeload on somebody else's land?


Freeload on somebody else's land.

Les Stroud didn't freeload on somebody else's land. He purchased a remote piece of land, and then developed it.

pete lynch
08-03-2010, 05:31 AM
And Richard Proenneke leased his land from the Alaska Bureau of Land Management. He also was experienced at living in the wilderness before he went to Twin Lakes.

finallyME
08-03-2010, 09:59 AM
To answer the OP's question, since no one else did ;) ............No.

scottmphoto
08-03-2010, 10:21 AM
Like the OP already said...most places are too crowded with people, Rangers and their rules. I haven't spent a year there, at one time but I've got a little land that I go "survival camping" on for a couple of weeks at a time (when I have the time, that is). I haven't built a permanent shelter, like a cabin, yet, just a lean-to. I like to camp in a different spot now and then.
In the spring, we are going to choose a site for a cabin though. When we build it (my self, wife and three kids), we're going to build it completely off the grid and use mostly the materials that is there on the land. We'll have to drill a well and we're going to have solar and wind for power and we've got a gasoline generator for emergencies. It'll have wood heat and I'll have some 100# propane tanks that I'll have to haul to town now and then for our main cooking and to run the fridge.
Oh, we'll still have our in-town jobs (we're self-employed), so we won't be complete recluses, but we're getting out of town just as fast as we can.

trax
08-03-2010, 11:17 AM
some place where anyone who might stumble upon your little site is unarmed, just a survival thought there, partner.

rwc1969
08-03-2010, 07:34 PM
So the question is: Where can I go to avoid authorities, and live for free?

Short answer, not much out there that is liviable, that is not owned, controled or used.

Sadly, that seems to be a dream of a lot of people, but if that's what you want to do, usally means working, getting some money, buying a place, and doing what ever you what, that you can afford and is legal.

Well where's the fun in that?:)

rwc1969
08-03-2010, 07:38 PM
Jeff, Honestly, I don't know what to say. National Parks generally allow no more than 2 weeks because they don't want squatters moving in to stay. That's essentially what you said you want to do and completely the wrong mind set. Frankly, I'd be pretty pizzed if I walked up on someone that had been living in a park funded by my tax dollars.

If you are truly interested in learning the outdoors then there are a number of threads that will direct you to various jobs to help you learn. Working for a guide, white water rafting company, etc.

You can also find organizations that do camping, hiking, backpacking and a number of other outdoor activities. You just need to search for them. They are scattered all over the place.

http://www.hikingandbackpacking.com/californiaclubs.html

Find some folks that are serious in what they do and learn from them.

Why??????????????

Batch
08-03-2010, 07:48 PM
I don't know National Parks. But, Big Cypress National Preserve has no restriction on time other than Bear Island being closed for two months. I know several old timers that winter there and they stay half the year in the same camp.

If you get way out in the back country of Big Cypress no one will ever see you unless you mess with someone else's camp.

randyt
08-03-2010, 08:43 PM
maybe you could file a mining claim and do your thing there. I think sylvan hart started out on a mining claim, not sure though. and in this current world of ours I don't know if a mining claim can be filed anymore.

ClayPick
08-03-2010, 11:52 PM
Up here reservation land offers a lot more autonomy.

wareagle69
08-04-2010, 06:04 PM
I gotta agree with Rick, Jeff; if I found somebody squatting on any woods I might own they better pray I'm not armed & the cops arrest them 1st. Then they're going to find themselves in a whole new "survival situation." Add to that the fact that you want to include members of this forum as accessories/accomplices really bugs me. I gotta say that I'd expect an idea like the one you're planning on coming from somebody a lot younger than 33. Just sayin'...:cool2:

there are many folks who live on crown land and national forest land, i did many times myself, staying in the cocconino and kiahbab national forest(which incedentaly is owned by the tax paying people) now if i work for 10 yrs and pay taxes and then want to spend a few months living in the forests it is my constitutional right to do so, i pay my taxes.
op, the best places is in the west

Rick
08-04-2010, 06:10 PM
But there's the paradox, WE. You could only stay there morally while you are working and paying taxes. Once you stop working then you start sponging and you no longer have the right to stay there. Calm down, I'm joking.

BENESSE
08-04-2010, 06:11 PM
Jeffb, your best bet is to go to Canada. They are much more tolerant up there and I'll be the first one to say good luck and have fun. Stay as long as you feel like it. :)

Oh, don't forget to write!

Rick
08-04-2010, 06:28 PM
You know God doesn't love ugly. You know that, right?

BENESSE
08-04-2010, 06:32 PM
Ya talkin' to me? :sneaky2:

Sarge47
08-04-2010, 08:50 PM
there are many folks who live on crown land and national forest land, i did many times myself, staying in the cocconino and kiahbab national forest(which incedentaly is owned by the tax paying people) now if i work for 10 yrs and pay taxes and then want to spend a few months living in the forests it is my constitutional right to do so, i pay my taxes.
op, the best places is in the west
What you do is up to you, I was talking about any land I might own. Hey, maybe Jeff could come up to your digs and trade labor on your homestead in exchange for camping rights? :sneaky2:

your_comforting_company
08-04-2010, 09:45 PM
I have refrained from posting till now.
I would make a suggestion, but I'm unsure what it is exactly you are asking.
The heading says "do a les stroud or whatever" but your post says you want to go someplace wild and live long-term.
My goal, my ultimate achievement would be... wait for it...
to own someplace wild and live long term.

don't go squatting on public land if you want long term. get your own. The rest of us do it. we get jobs, do our time, and have "our place". When you get yours you can leave it as "wild" as you want it. That's what I'm working on now.

If you want to do a "week long survival treck" like they make TV shows out of, there are all kinds of parks and trails all over the country. Massive rivers... get in a boat and get lost. take lots of pictures. Oh and don't get killed...

In all seriousness, you say you don't want to get caught by the authorities? Do it right. Pay your dues. Buy yourself some land. I will not in any way condone long term living on public land. I suppose you intend to make your cabin with the trees that are on that land? Look if you want to go camping in a remote area for two weeks, make yourself at home. if you want to invade some of the few wild places left in this world (humans are an invasive species too) on a long term basis, you do not have my support.

I'm not trying to be rude, but that's how I feel about it. When I "go wild" no authority will be able to tell me to leave, because they'll be tresspassing... just sayin'.

trax
08-05-2010, 02:26 PM
Jeffb, your best bet is to go to Canada. They are much more tolerant up there and I'll be the first one to say good luck and have fun. Stay as long as you feel like it. :)

Oh, don't forget to write!

Thanks so much for that, wait'll you see the crowd that I'm sending packing down to NYC.

BENESSE
08-05-2010, 02:40 PM
Thanks so much for that, wait'll you see the crowd that I'm sending packing down to NYC.

Thank wareagle...he is practically sending out engraved invitations.
As for sending crowds to NYC, well someone must have beaten you to the punch. They are here already.

zandercross13
03-20-2013, 02:35 AM
Tell ya' what. :innocent: I'll let you use some land for a few months, and you can practice clearing it while you get ready for the real thing out there in the wilderness. I'll even supply well water from a garden hose, firewood, and a Porta-John. There's plenty of game and fishing close by. Just leave the dogs, cats, squirrels, and ducks alone, and we'll get along just fine. :sneaky2:



Is this a real offer? or is it just a comment? if it is real i would love to take you up on it because i could always use the practice

Wildthang
03-20-2013, 06:02 AM
Is this a real offer? or is it just a comment? if it is real i would love to take you up on it because i could always use the practice

Okay Ken, time to step up:snartass:

crashdive123
03-20-2013, 06:38 AM
I'll wager that is was a real offer two and a half years ago when he bought the land and was clearing it. I'd also wager that the offer has expired since there were no takers and he had to do it himself.

Sarge47
03-20-2013, 07:08 AM
I believe that the offer has long since expired as Ken no longer has the land if memory serves me. ....:creepy:

PineMartyn
03-20-2013, 09:08 AM
there are many folks who live on crown land and national forest land, i did many times myself, staying in the cocconino and kiahbab national forest(which incedentaly is owned by the tax paying people) now if i work for 10 yrs and pay taxes and then want to spend a few months living in the forests it is my constitutional right to do so, i pay my taxes.
op, the best places is in the west

I feel I need to correct a few misconceptions here:

Crown land is a term applicable in Canada. There is no Crown land in the USA. In the USA there are national forests, BLM lands, etc, but even BLM lands are subject to a number of regulations. The fact that something is owned by tax-payers doesn't entitle one to just move in and live on it, least of all if one isn't a citizen or resident of that country. Just as you may not build your home in a municipal park, so you may not do so in a National Forest either. To say that something is owned by tax-payers is to say it's owned by all of them, which specifically prohibits anyone using it as if it were his or her own private property or using it in a way that would interfere with others making use of it for its intended purposes.

Similarly, in Canada, one can lease Crown land to live on from the province or territory in question, but it is illlegal to simply make a camp and live on general-use Crown lands without having applied for and obtained formal permission. I have been a Crown land camper for much of my adult life in Ontario and even camping on Crown lands is subject to a number or regulations specifically created to prevent squatting.

For instance, when camping on any Crown lands in Ontario, one may not stay in one spot for more than 21 days. After 21 days one must break camp and relocate. One needn't move far (just 100 meters or more), but this precludes building and living in a cabin. Further, it is expressly forbidden to build any permanent structures, which would includes cabins. Now, there are all sorts of legal exceptions; for instance, one could apply for and purchase a lease for some specific purpose and duration, one could be a licensed trapper with a trap line that includes the right to build a trapping cabin, or one could have obtained mining rights and be working a mineral claim, etc. Nevertheless, the idea that one could just hike into the bush and take up permanent residence on Crown lands and do so legally is far from correct. Moreover, you may not hunt, fish, or trap except in season and then only with the necessary permits and in conformity with all applicable regulations and limit restrictions. And as for planting a food garden...any sort of agriculture on Crown lands is forbidden. We have helicopters that are on the lookout for grow-ops in our woods, and these spotters are pretty good at recognizing signs of human activity, even on small scales.

I have made a number of instructional videos about Crown land camping in Canada and those who have viewed them already know that I actively encourage any who want to give Crown land camping a try to get out there and do so. Our Crown lands are there to be enjoyed for low-impact recreational pursuits such as hiking, skiing, snowshoeing, canoeing, backpacking, canoe-tripping, dog-sledding, hunting and angling, etc, but one simply may not live out there without running afoul of scores of laws, which include include penalties such as fines, reparation costs for any damages done to the local environment, seizure of possessions, and even incarceration.

Lastly, Crown lands can be used for free (as described above) by Canadian residents, but non-residents have to obtain a permit from the MNR (Ministry of Natural Resources) and must pay even just to camp on Crown lands. In Ontario, the fees are 10$ per person per day. One can avoid having to get a permit and paying the camping fees by simply renting a tent or other temporary shelter from a local outfitter.

Here's a link to a video series I made on the subject of Crown land camping for any who might be interested:

http://youtu.be/SHOVMz_FmFA

Hope this helps,
- Martin

PineMartyn
03-20-2013, 09:59 AM
Les Stroud didn't freeload on somebody else's land. He purchased a remote piece of land, and then developed it.

There's a confusion here I think.

JeffB, in his original post, made mention of Stroud's year-long trip featured in his documentary, Snowshoes and Solitude. That did not take place on any land purchased by Stroud. That year-long experiment in primitive living took place in the mid-90's on Goldsborough Lake (50 41′ 55″ N, 89 20′ 46″ W), which is smack in the middle of Wabakimi Provincial Park in north-western Ontario. Wabakimi is a managed, operational, and maintained provincial park. It is a very remote park however, being accessible to visitors only by canoe, float plane, or rail, not by road. I don't know for a fact Stroud and Jamieson obtained obtained permission to camp there for free for an extended period, or if they paid to camp there, or if they were doing so under the radar of park officials. Howver, given that he was making a film documentary about it, and the park is managed and maintained, I'm reasonably confident he obtained the permission he needed. In any case, he and Sue Jamieson lived in a teepee and later a primitive A-frame shelter of natural materials. They did not build a cabin or any permanent structures, as these would not have been permissible in a provincial park and would have been contrary to their own goal of living in a traditional native dwelling.

More than a decade later, Stroud and Jamieson purchased a property to live on. They converted an existing house and out-buildings into the off-grid property featured in Off-the-Grid with Les Stroud. That land was not a remote property however. That property is located just 10 minutes north of Huntsville Ontario (and just a little west of the town of Novar). Stroud has equipped the property for paint-ball games and he now rents it out to groups and companies as a kind of corporate retreat/getaway.

In any case, as sgtdraino pointed out, there's no reason to think Stroud and Jamieson simply marched into the woods and camped illegally or made their home by squatting on private or public lands in either case.

Hope this helps,
- Martin

Highhawk1948
03-20-2013, 07:12 PM
Get lost in Canada

payne
03-21-2013, 09:34 AM
There is however a law in effect called "Squatter's Right" which allows one to claim a piece of land to be his or hers if you have been occupying it without hiding for 15 years. This is a very rough line, and I would highly suggest informing yourself before trying to use this right. I have personally done research, and I can tell you there are a lot of restrictions and court cases to go through in order to make sure you'll be eligible to call for that right.

PineMartyn
03-21-2013, 10:21 AM
Good point about squatter's rights, Payne.

The notion of squatter's rights exists to legally acknowledge instances where someone has lived on a piece of land openly and where this has been unchallenged, so that the person living on the land is a de facto owner/user of that land.

Recognition of de facto use and ownership is a very old principle in property rights of all sorts. It's part of the same principle that informs easements on property. For instance, I just purchased a home built in the 1920's or 30's where one fence, the garage, and the driveway are actually encroaching on my neighbour's property. Whoever built this back in the day simply mismeasured or was careless about observing the actual survey boundaries of the property. But because this circumstance has existed for so long and was not challenged by the owner when it happened, the neighbour can do virtually nothing about it. That portion of my neighbour's property is not his to do with as he pleases anymore. Action needed to be taken long ago.

A similar principle is operative in copyright law, where one can lose one's copyright privileges if one does not take steps to protect them by objecting/challenging copyright violators. Unchallenged use of another's property can result in the owner losing the usual privileges associated with ownership. This is why copyright holders so often pursue copyright violators or, alternatively, give express special permission to do so in particular cases. Often, it's not about lost revenue, but about losing one's copyright privileges through inaction. We see the same thing happen with trademarks and logos. Corporations have to challenge people who use their trademarked logos, slogans, on pain of losing the rights to those trademarks if they don't take any action.

So, this principle is why government's routinely invoke and enforce laws that permit them to expel squatters. If they did not implement such legal measures, any piece of government land, even natural monuments, parks, etc, could, in principle, fall into private ownership. One turns a blind eye to such activity at the expense of one's ownership rights...and that includes government-owned lands.

And, as Payne rightly stated, you can't be a secret squatter. If you do it in secret or by stealth, you're not a de facto occupant/resident...you're a trespasser, no matter how long you've been doing it. It has to be a matter of public knowledge.

Hope this helps,
- Martin

Power Giant
03-21-2013, 10:46 AM
This thread died years ago. Never beat a dead horse.

hunter63
03-21-2013, 12:04 PM
This thread died years ago. Never beat a dead horse.

Pertinent information is never "old"....PM added some interesting info........Unless it "the best survivial knife", better be "New"....

BENESSE
03-21-2013, 12:15 PM
I love to see old threads revived. It means someone cares enough to do research on what was said before and follows up allowing new members to contribute their POV.

hunter63
03-21-2013, 12:23 PM
I love to see old threads revived. It means someone cares enough to do research on what was said before and follows up allowing new members to contribute their POV.

Spot on....some one has done the 'search"as is suggested many times....

crashdive123
03-21-2013, 04:09 PM
Pertinent information is never "old"....PM added some interesting info........Unless it "the best survivial knife", better be "New"....


I love to see old threads revived. It means someone cares enough to do research on what was said before and follows up allowing new members to contribute their POV.


Spot on....some one has done the 'search"as is suggested many times....

I agree wholeheartedly.

kyratshooter
03-21-2013, 08:45 PM
It's spring again!

These searches would be easier if we had a ROTTW section, possibly titled How To Live (freeload) Off Other People's Efforts.

We could have special subtopics like; Avoiding Tresspassing Charges, Stealth Camping, Gurillia Gardening, Professional Dumpster Diving

pete lynch
03-22-2013, 05:00 AM
Don't forget "Poaching Made Easy"

1stimestar
03-22-2013, 01:12 PM
It's spring again!

These searches would be easier if we had a ROTTW section, possibly titled How To Live (freeload) Off Other People's Efforts.

We could have special subtopics like; Avoiding Tresspassing Charges, Stealth Camping, Gurillia Gardening, Professional Dumpster Diving


Don't forget "Poaching Made Easy"

Hahaha.

Yes, Alaska has computers, IRS, and Child Support Enforcement agencies.

Mtnman Mike
03-28-2013, 11:08 PM
Tell ya' what. :innocent: I'll let you use some land for a few months, and you can practice clearing it while you get ready for the real thing out there in the wilderness. I'll even supply well water from a garden hose, firewood, and a Porta-John. There's plenty of game and fishing close by. Just leave the dogs, cats, squirrels, and ducks alone, and we'll get along just fine. :sneaky2:

That sounds a lot what I would do although I don't need my land cleared, just some more dead trees cut down, build a new cabin with a greenhouse and practice all kinds of survival. I also have a garden hose running out of a clean water spring and plenty of firewood. We might have to make a new outhouse.
Plenty of game and even fishing but no dogs or cats etc. maybe a bear or mountain lion.

I am offering anyone who is interested in camping some or all this next summer, a good place to camp, work some, practice and Live survival and even help me build a cabin. I would also furnish plenty of beans and such if necessary.


Is this a real offer? or is it just a comment? if it is real i would love to take you up on it because i could always use the practice

My offer is Real.

I know of very few places that are better to practice and live survival than on and near my remote Wyoming mountain retreat. It is at 9,500 feet in elevation about a mile east of the Continental Divide.
Like paradise in the summer and a winter paradise from Nov. to May.

So anyone just message or email me soon if interested in what I have offered. I have plenty of free camping spots also. Any questions just ask me. After June first I likely will be unavailable since I live up there from June to about Nov. every year since 1999.

finallyME
03-29-2013, 09:23 AM
I know of very few places that are better to practice and live survival than on and near my remote Wyoming mountain retreat. It is at 9,500 feet in elevation about a mile east of the Continental Divide.
Like paradise in the summer and a winter paradise from Nov. to May.


You must be close to Laramie then.

thefemalesurvivalist
03-29-2013, 11:40 AM
I am offering anyone who is interested in camping some or all this next summer, a good place to camp, work some, practice and Live survival and even help me build a cabin. I would also furnish plenty of beans and such if necessary.



My offer is Real.

I know of very few places that are better to practice and live survival than on and near my remote Wyoming mountain retreat. It is at 9,500 feet in elevation about a mile east of the Continental Divide.
Like paradise in the summer and a winter paradise from Nov. to May.

So anyone just message or email me soon if interested in what I have offered. I have plenty of free camping spots also. Any questions just ask me. After June first I likely will be unavailable since I live up there from June to about Nov. every year since 1999.

count me in!

1stimestar
03-29-2013, 02:09 PM
You know, we should do our own version of couchsurfing.com or org, I forget. Once I get my new cabin, I'm sure I could benefit from some labor in exchange for a spot on the couch and my excellent tour guide abilities.

Ken
03-29-2013, 04:13 PM
Is this a real offer? or is it just a comment? if it is real i would love to take you up on it because i could always use the practice

That was like 3 years ago. Sorry, I don't own that property anymore.

welderguy
03-29-2013, 05:37 PM
That was like 3 years ago. Sorry, I don't own that property anymore.

Wow time flys by dont it!!!

Sarge47
03-29-2013, 08:02 PM
That was like 3 years ago. Sorry, I don't own that property anymore.However, Ken CAN use an "ambulance spotter!" .....:w00t:

ForsakenRecluse
09-23-2016, 04:54 PM
I have came across this thread and Jeff's other post a very times while doing my research over some period of time.
I think it's messed up that people automatically start ridiculing someone because they want "freeload" off of someone else's land.
First of all nothing is freeloading if you have to do a form of work to receive it. Secondly, I don't believe in land being owned and even if I did, why would it matter if someone is living off of remote land? Might as well put some use to it.

So to continue the question: Where would you recommend going to, in order to live off the land away from society without buying land (if you bought the land you would still be apart of society and paying taxes, therefore still being on the grid)

When I say this I don't mean so you can run back to civilization whenever you want. To go Live out in the wild. Like hundreds of miles out where no average person would find you.

hunter63
09-23-2016, 05:30 PM
Haven't heard back from jeffb....for a long time....so can't say how it worked out for him......????
Seem you know him pretty well?

ForsakenRecluse
09-23-2016, 05:53 PM
No I don't know him at all. It's just everytime I do my survival study searches and come across this site it would always be this post or his other one that is similar.

hunter63
09-23-2016, 06:34 PM
Well good luck with that....I do not agree....and wouldn't suggest a place even if I did.
Some one shows up,.... and knocks on your door, ask if there is anyone around that has too much stuff that they aren't using,.... they don't need... you can just haul it off.

Sorry.

Rick
09-23-2016, 07:40 PM
Because this is the kind of crap that gets left behind when freeloaders squat on someone else's land. This guy got 6 months for this mess. He should have been forced to clean it up. If you want remote try Siberia.

http://media.backpacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/AR-150919660_opt-1.jpg

crashdive123
09-23-2016, 08:52 PM
Secondly, I don't believe in land being owned and even if I did, why would it matter if someone is living off of remote land?

If it is my land, I can assure you that it will not end well for the squatter.

hunter63
09-23-2016, 08:58 PM
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Seniorman
09-24-2016, 12:19 PM
" ... Secondly, I don't believe in land being owned ...

Well, you're not the first with that particular ideology. That's what Lenin and Stalin and Mao and Kim and Castro, etc., believed. :yawnb:

S.M.

kyratshooter
09-24-2016, 02:34 PM
I can not properly respond to posts 73 or 75.

I am claiming the Ron White philosophy for this situation.

Some things you can't fix.

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