The "Survival knife."

[Sarge47]

Every so often a newcomer shows up & asks that age-old question: "What survival knife should I buy?" The flood gates open and out comes a plethora of opinions, suggestions, & recommendations; from the lowest dollar amount up to the ceiling. The truth of the matter is that any knife can work in a survival situation; even a steak knife. I recently bought a professional kitchen "French knife" with a rubberized handle at a yard sale for a dollar & it's strong enough to chop wood! Remember the movie: "Castaway?" Tom Hanks makes do with the blade of an ice skate!

Even the experts don't agree. Dr. Ron Hood uses knives like the large Busse Battle Mistress. Tom "Lofty" Wiseman uses a Parang. Cody Lundin uses a small Mora knife with a Carbon steel blade influenced by Mors Kochanski; A survival expert living in Canada who's backyard is the Boreal Forest.

It's what Mors says that intrigues me the most; I guess it's true what they say, size DOES matter, but not in the way you might think. Mors has published 17 little survival booklets, each 32 pages long and small enough to fit in a shirt pocket. Here is what he has to say about knives in his booklet: "Tools of Survival and Survival Training;" pg. 14:

A STURDY, SHARP KNIFE
A survival knife should be difficult to break, yet delicate enough to carve a wooden netting needle and be sharpened in such a way that one can produce curly wood shavings with it. It should stand up to the use of a baton. A folding knife fails due to the weak blade pivot. The blade should be palm width in length and be made of carbon steel to be used as the striker in the flint & steel method of fire starting."

He illustrates "batoning" methods, including a way to use that small blade to cut down a tree about 8-10 inches in thickness. Any newcomer asking the "knife" question will get this knife recommendation from me in response. :cool2:

[Alaskan Survivalist]

You just described my Estwing hatchet. It even can do delicate work like like carving a net needle since all you need is string rolled around a pointed stick.

[crimescene450]

This is my knife. Had it for a year and still havent had to sharpen it.
I like knives with seration and regular blade.

http://www.sportingoutbacksupplies.com.au/product.php?productid=16261&cat=259&page=2

btw i got it for $40 at walmart, not $145 at this place


my othe rknife is a folding Gerber

http://www.rei.com/product/727695

[pete lynch]

I'm with Sarge47 on this one, though if I need to cut down a 8-10" tree I hope I have a hatchet or an axe.

[Camp10]

There is lots to consider when picking out a knife and the looks of it should be one of the last considerations. You've nearly got it all right Sarge.:innocent:

I agree that sharp and sturdy are most important and I dont like a knife with a blade more than 5" but that is just a personal preference. Most good knives have a high carbon content. Stainless knives still need carbon in order to be hardened so a stainless knife can still be a high carbon knife.

There are all kinds of steels that the different companies use. This is the one place that you need to research before you buy. If you buy a stainless knife, get one that uses 440C or better steel. I shy away from the Scandinavian steel because they use more alloys and less carbon. Feel free to prove me wrong on that point...I know that Scandinavian steel is expanding their blade steel all the time and they might have something now that is better than 60 points carbon. I can get all kinds of sparks from a stainless knife (I use CPM S30V) with a firesteel. I dont carry flint so I havnt yet tried it with a S.S. blade.

That doesnt mean I disagree with you about a non-stainless knife but my reasons are not for sparks. A well made Carbon steel should be differentially hardened and this makes a big difference in the toughness of the knife. A carbon knife should have more flex then a S.S. one and so tasks like batoning would be less stressful on them.

I agree that in a pinch anything can be used as a knife. I would suggest using makeshift knives and tools as much as you can if you are in a survival situation to save your blade for when you need a blade but I still want to put the odds in my favor.

I will put a $500 scope on a $150 rifle because I believe I get better results then doing the reverse. I feel the same way about knives as I do scopes.

I am not saying I am right and I know that people have had great results with all kinds of gear but IMO a good knife is a worthwhile expense.

[Rick]

Very good posts both of you.

Paul, I have $100 knives and $10 knives and I think there is a place in MY pack for both (notice I said MY pack). There is a difference between inexpensive and cheap with the latter being something to shy away from. A good knife doesn't have to be expensive and an inexpensive knife can still be a good knife. I carry both to the field with me and rely on both to do different tasks. There is also a difference in size. That happens to be my choice. When things go bad, of course, any port in a storm.

Both of you got some rep from me. Nice posts.

[Sarge47]

It's not me who "got it right," but Mors Kochanski; Survival expert, author, and Wilderness Living Skills Instructor. Like Pete Lynch, I would prefer an axe or hatchet in lieu of a small knife for taking down a tree. However, you can buy a Mora with a carbon steel blade for about 12 bucks, and it can get the job done. Many "newbies" come on here with very little cash for buying a knife, so hence my recommendation. Dr. Ron Hood suggests big, heavy knives that can run from $200 & up. For that type of knife & blade length, I'll stick to my Becker Combat Bowie with it's 9 inch blade; cost was about $75. However, I just got a great deal on a Mora 2000 Survival knife on e-bay, and it's a great knife. I was turned on to this knife via Klkak's "praise report" on his use of the same knife in Alaska. After all, he is a professional guide. When it comes to equipment that can save my life, I defer to the experts. :cool2:

[Justin Case]

I am convinced that a good machette is the way to go ! (thanks Mac),> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-6jO3qr0MA
I mean they are universal, you can chop down a tree then fillet a fish, If I had to choose, it would be a machette hands down,

[Camp10]

It's not me who "got it right," but Mors Kochanski; Survival expert, author, and Wilderness Living Skills Instructor. Like Pete Lynch, I would prefer an axe or hatchet in lieu of a small knife for taking down a tree. However, you can buy a Mora with a carbon steel blade for about 12 bucks, and it can get the job done. Many "newbies" come on here with very little cash for buying a knife, so hence my recommendation. Dr. Ron Hood suggests big, heavy knives that can run from $200 & up. For that type of knife & blade length, I'll stick to my Becker Combat Bowie with it's 9 inch blade; cost was about $75. However, I just got a great deal on a Mora 2000 Survival knife on e-bay, and it's a great knife. I was turned on to this knife via Klkak's "praise report" on his use of the same knife in Alaska. After all, he is a professional guide. When it comes to equipment that can save my life, I defer to the experts. :cool2:

I wasnt trying to take away from your original post, just add to it. I tried to rep you for it but I have to spread some first. I also defer to the experts. If you read through Kevin's praise report, you will see that he refers to the Mora as a light duty knife, better served to handle the tasks that you dont need your larger knife for. In his review of the Mora knife (his other thread about the same knife) he mentions bending the blade at the handle and rolling the tip. I'm not trashing the Mora and I still think Kevin liked the knife but it isnt the right knife for every task in the field.

My expert is Pete from Big Pete Knives (if I am not allowed to mention his business, feel free to remove it). He makes his living making and selling knives. He is working towards his Journey Smith and has a pretty good handle on heat treat and steel composition.

I'm not trying to add any confusion for any newcomer just to clear up that if they are new to both bushcraft and knives then they should do a little research on exactly what they expect their knife to do and then what metal type and manufacturer might be best suited for the task.

Before a newby starts a thread on the best knife, I would rather see a newcomer do their homework on what they want their knife to do. Pick the type of steel that does this the best (there are all kinds of websites with advice on the steel types), then narrow down the manufacturers that make a knife that fits what they want and then ask which of those we have experience with and what we like about them. At the very least, give some basic info on the research they did and ask if they are on the right path. They might still get a pile of conflicting info from us all but at least it might be more directed and helpful.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

There is a problem with "defering to the experts" on the subject of survival that being that survival requires a broad knowledge on all aspects of life. I have seen people with more specialized knowledge in a particular area. Survival experts are "a jack of all trades, master of none". Call me crazy but if I want to know about fishing I would ask a fisherman, for Arctic gear I would ask someone who works and lives in the Arctic like an Eskimo. What the survival experts do well is bring vast knowledge together but they can be less than accurate on specifics.

PS-I come at survival from a homesteading perspective. A knife is tool that is seriously limited and you should become better skilled in the use of more capable tools or when TSHTF you will be spending your remaining days eating bugs in a debris hut.

[Wise Old Owl]

Just to add 2 cents, The knife should be lightweight, and long, all too often the short blades leave a lot to be desired. I can't figure out if state law or regulation is the reasons for such a short blade on store shelves.

One other item is a handle curl so your finger doesn't slip onto the blade itself. (Better Grip)

[Sarge47]

A.S. & W.O.O.; we'll have to agree to disagree on this as I DO trust the judgement of the experts. Mors Kochanski is considered tops in his field for cold weather Survival, & the Boreal forest area is very much like that of Alaska. Yes, other tools are also important, however the focus of this thread was the knife.

Also, the blade does NOT have to be long. Mors does mention a finger guard if the knife is also used as a fighting knife; although all my knives do have guards...I'm such a klutz! :blushing:

[Sarge47]

I wasnt trying to take away from your original post, just add to it. I tried to rep you for it but I have to spread some first. I also defer to the experts. If you read through Kevin's praise report, you will see that he refers to the Mora as a light duty knife, better served to handle the tasks that you dont need your larger knife for. In his review of the Mora knife (his other thread about the same knife) he mentions bending the blade at the handle and rolling the tip. I'm not trashing the Mora and I still think Kevin liked the knife but it isnt the right knife for every task in the field.

My expert is Pete from Big Pete Knives (if I am not allowed to mention his business, feel free to remove it). He makes his living making and selling knives. He is working towards his Journey Smith and has a pretty good handle on heat treat and steel composition.

I'm not trying to add any confusion for any newcomer just to clear up that if they are new to both bushcraft and knives then they should do a little research on exactly what they expect their knife to do and then what metal type and manufacturer might be best suited for the task.

Before a newby starts a thread on the best knife, I would rather see a newcomer do their homework on what they want their knife to do. Pick the type of steel that does this the best (there are all kinds of websites with advice on the steel types), then narrow down the manufacturers that make a knife that fits what they want and then ask which of those we have experience with and what we like about them. At the very least, give some basic info on the research they did and ask if they are on the right path. They might still get a pile of conflicting info from us all but at least it might be more directed and helpful.You make some great points, Camp, let's take a closer look at them:

"If you read through Kevin's praise report, you will see that he refers to the Mora as a light duty knife, better served to handle the tasks that you dont need your larger knife for."

While this is true, Mors & Cody are NOT talking about the Mora 2000 Survival knife as the blade isn't in line with what they use. However, neither one uses anything else but the "Carbon steel" Mora blade & seem to do pretty good with it.

"but it isn't the right knife for every task in the field."

I totally agree with this statement; there is no "one size fits all" type of knife. However, it is a great all-around utility-type knife that doesn't break the bank.

"I'm not trying to add any confusion for any newcomer just to clear up that if they are new to both bushcraft and knives then they should do a little research on exactly what they expect their knife to do and then what metal type and manufacturer might be best suited for the task.

"Before a newby starts a thread on the best knife, I would rather see a newcomer do their homework on what they want their knife to do. Pick the type of steel that does this the best (there are all kinds of websites with advice on the steel types), then narrow down the manufacturers that make a knife that fits what they want and then ask which of those we have experience with and what we like about them. At the very least, give some basic info on the research they did and ask if they are on the right path. They might still get a pile of conflicting info from us all but at least it might be more directed and helpful."

You & me both brother! You & me both! :innocent: :cool2:

[Rick]

I wouldn't use a screwdriver to hammer with and I wouldn't use pliers to remove a screw (Lord knows I have when they've been buggered). A tool is designed to perform a fairly specific task. I use a very small bladed knife for wood working, a medium blade for utility work, a larger blade for chopping and splitting smaller diameter wood, an axe to do the bigger stuff and a chain saw to do a lot of or the really big stuff. IMO, no one knife will "do it all" because they simply aren't designed to.

[Camp10]

I wouldn't use a screwdriver to hammer with and I wouldn't use pliers to remove a screw (Lord knows I have when they've been buggered). A tool is designed to perform a fairly specific task. I use a very small bladed knife for wood working, a medium blade for utility work, a larger blade for chopping and splitting smaller diameter wood, an axe to do the bigger stuff and a chain saw to do a lot of or the really big stuff. IMO, no one knife will "do it all" because they simply aren't designed to.

Correct. However, it is kind of like shopping for a new vehicle. You try to get the power you need with the gas mileage you want. It is better to go middle of the road then to either extreme. I misspoke when I said "every task in the field" It wasnt what I wanted to convey. I dont believe there is a knife that fits that bill just that I would rather not go with "just enough" or "might work" when it comes to carrying only one knife.

I really dont want to over post in this thread because I think Sarge did a good job building a go-to post for the newcomers asking the same old question so I will get back off my soap box and find another thread to read!:)

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I have a brother in law on my wifes side that has been homeless in Alaska for over the thirty years I have known him. He is not recognized as an expert at all but he's seen more cold weather than any expert you can put up against him and done it with little or nothing and as drunk as he can be. I have seen people that have accomplished much more than merely survive in the wilderness and built thriving enterprizes. Experts writing down what's common knowledge around here don't impress me. Repeating what they say impresses me less. First hand knowledge and picture demonstations helps. Whatever you hear you don't know jack until you've done it. I may seem knowledgable but only because I stick to things I know are fact based on my experience and talk is cheap. It is when the words are applied to real circumstances that the truth comes out. I may seem like a fool to those that only reseach things on a computer but those that do it know what I say rings true. Expert or not.

[Batch]

I think you can look at it like this. What are you most likely to have on you. Do you have an axe, machete or large fixed blade as your EDC?

Some different set up when your in your truck. Different in your boat. Different on a short day hike as opposed to an over night hike. When you go camping, hunting or off roading?

It seems to me more people are willing to drop a SAK in their pocket every time they leave the house. Lots of people are willing to carry a muli-tool on their belt.

If you are going to buy just one knife you are going to need to carry that knife with you ALL of the time.

[Sarge47]

I have a brother in law on my wifes side that has been homeless in Alaska for over the thirty years I have known him. He is not recognized as an expert at all but he's seen more cold weather than any expert you can put up against him and done it with little or nothing and as drunk as he can be. I have seen people that have accomplished much more than merely survive in the wilderness and built thriving enterprizes. Experts writing down what's common knowledge around here don't impress me. Repeating what they say impresses me less. First hand knowledge and picture demonstations helps. Whatever you hear you don't know jack until you've done it. I may seem knowledgable but only because I stick to things I know are fact based on my experience and talk is cheap. It is when the words are applied to real circumstances that the truth comes out. I may seem like a fool to those that only reseach things on a computer but those that do it know what I say rings true. Expert or not.
I'm not trying to take away anything from your bother-in-law, you're lucky to have a knowledgeable relative to help you. However, both Cody & Mors not only "talk the talk," they "walk the walk." I agree that they have to have "been there & done that." They have & they've done! However, the bottom line is your brother-in-law isn't here to share with the rest of us, these guys are. :cool2:

[Sarge47]

I think you can look at it like this. What are you most likely to have on you. Do you have an axe, machete or large fixed blade as your EDC?

Some different set up when your in your truck. Different in your boat. Different on a short day hike as opposed to an over night hike. When you go camping, hunting or off roading?

It seems to me more people are willing to drop a SAK in their pocket every time they leave the house. Lots of people are willing to carry a muli-tool on their belt.

If you are going to buy just one knife you are going to need to carry that knife with you ALL of the time.I agree with you, I always have at least a SAK within reach at all times. If I were leading a pack of Boy Scouts, say, on a day hike; the SAK would be all that I'd carry. If I were going out on a weekend camping trip with them then I'd hook up the Mora. If I were going out on my own into the deep woods I'd add something a bit larger and probably carry an axe for good measure. :cool2:

[wareagle69]

i used to carry a navy seal buckmaster or my rambo knife, ah the sins of my youth.
Now let me add my experience- here in the canadian north i carry something only ever rarely mentioned- a folding saw. one in my pocket and a larger one in my day pack, i can easily cut more and faster and safer than an ax. As for knives i carry a 4" gerber fixed blade and can easily use it with a baton to split wood, then in my pocket a 3 inch skinning blade as most game you will get in a survival situation will be small, try that with a 12in blade.
Evrything i carry is done out of saftey and compact effectiveness, having just completed a 110 hour wilderness medic course it just confims my thinking and experience. to all who i "teach" i always make sure in the bush with me they have a folding saw, less energy expended and lots more safety.
I defer to the mantra that i live by and is some here sig line
Knowledge without experince is just information
We

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I'm not trying to take away anything from your bother-in-law, you're lucky to have a knowledgeable relative to help you. However, both Cody & Mors not only "talk the talk," they "walk the walk." I agree that they have to have "been there & done that." They have & they've done! However, the bottom line is your brother-in-law isn't here to share with the rest of us, these guys are. :cool2:

They are not here. There is no way to interact with them. I would rather have experience told first hand. Better yet has anybody ever thought to invite them to join the forum?

[Sarge47]

They are not here. There is no way to interact with them. I would rather have experience told first hand. Better yet has anybody ever thought to invite them to join the forum?
I've asked both of them but they're too busy out in the wilderness teaching students and hate being desk-bound. We had one guy on here that posted only a couple of times who worked with Mors a lot but he didn't come on after that. :cool2:

[Sarge47]

Bruce Zed, who not only is a member, but a Survival instructor chimes in:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?p=74103&highlight=Mors+Kochanski#post74103

and here's the member who worked with Mors; North61:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2124&highlight=North61

:cool2:

[Justin Case]

Those guys like Cody Lundin get paid to do this stuff now, I think getting them to participate on a forum would be futile, just my opinion, :)

[Rick]

Thanks!! I've never seen wood split that way. I've started the day off learning something. Perfect!

I think a small, portable saw is as handy as a pocket on a shirt. The one I carry is the Gerber Sportsman saw.

http://www.bestglide.com/product_images/gerber_sportsmans_wood_saw.jpg

[tsitenha]

Might be off topic a bit but along with the "right" knife would be practical uses with that knife, best knife in the world according to whomever does you no real good if you don't wear it, use it as many times under as many tasks as possible, maintain it, sharpen it (learn to sharpen it).
As mentioned before bring the right tools for the work given.
Not a fan of "batoning", if I can remember to bring my knife then a hatchet is also a mainstay (personaly would carry a hatchet before anything else but who wants to leave their knife at home?)

[Sarge47]

A.S., I think you're going "off-topic" as this thread was dedicated to the person new in the world of outdoor lore & might be wondering about a "so-called" survival knife. Yes, a person could survive with a knife alone, or without anything at all; it's been done before. Nice blades. :cool2:

[Alaskan Survivalist]

It was my thinking that those giving advice could demonstrate the ability of thier knives. Like the guy with the 600 dollar knife. What can it do that others can't? Show me. I am speaking especially to the new guy that needs to be able to see what can be done with a particular tool. It's capabilities and limitations. We are like minded that a person should be as well prepared as possible and going out with just a knife would be foolish. I wanted to drive that point home accurately. I also thought it would be a good excuse to get out and practice some of our skills. There may be guys carving triggers for a trap right now. You are propably right about being off topic and I may start another thread like...What can you do with your knife?

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I fixed it by deleting comment and starting new thread. Done.

[Wise Old Owl]

I remember my post and I am still on the fence - there are too many short spade or 2 and 1/4 Wenger and others (regulated by state law) knives. Stainless does not hold a
sharpness. Some are tools others are toys... I am willing to read here about the difference. I still think a longer knife is better.

[Rick]

I think the main thing is what works for you and what you are comfortable with.

[lucznik]

...there are too many short spade or 2 and 1/4 Wenger and others (regulated by state law) knives. I too will have to, respectfully, disagree with your assertion.

My all-day, every-day knife is a Victorinox Fieldmaster. It is, in my opinion, one of the most versatile and useful pocketknives ever made. The "large" blade is 2.5" long. The "short" blade measures a scant 1.5". I have field dressed and skinned elk with this knife. A bigger blade would not really have helped me. This knife also has a very useful saw blade which I have used to do things like cut through pelvic and leg bones and fell small trees. The only quibble I can think of with this knife is that I do wish the blades had a lock-back mechanism.

Other features with this knife include:

Scissors
Can Opener with Small (flat) Screwdriver
Bottle Opener with Large Flat Screwdriver and Wire Stripper
Reamer with Sewing Eye
Phillips Screwdriver
Hook
Toothpick
Tweezers


This little tool puts other knives to shame with its incredible versatility. If I could carry only one knife, this would be it.

Even my "large" hunting knife for over 3 decades has been a little 3" lock back Buck Ultralite. I do own a couple of fixed blade knives (Buck Alpha Hunter, Gerber Profile) that I do occasionally carry but, even they don't sport blades longer than 4"

The big knives carried by Mountain Men of yesteryear were intended primarily as close-quarter scalp protectors against Indians, i.e. they were carried for a specific (and nonexistent in today's world) purpose. Most of these men carried and used smaller blades for their daily field chores.


Stainless does not hold a sharpness... In my experience, the sharpness of a blade usually says much more about the blade's owner than about the blade's steel.


I still think a longer knife is better. Yes, you've said that but; WHY do you think the longer knife is better?

[Sarge47]

...The only quibble I can think of with this knife is that I do wish the blades had a lock-back mechanism. I own a Victorinox SAK that has the lock-back mechanism. I can't remember the name off-hand, but it's just like the one I gave RWC. :cowboy:

[beetlejuicex3]

I wouldn't use a screwdriver to hammer with and I wouldn't use pliers to remove a screw (Lord knows I have when they've been buggered). A tool is designed to perform a fairly specific task. I use a very small bladed knife for wood working, a medium blade for utility work, a larger blade for chopping and splitting smaller diameter wood, an axe to do the bigger stuff and a chain saw to do a lot of or the really big stuff. IMO, no one knife will "do it all" because they simply aren't designed to.


This is a great point and Rick has made it twice now. There may be room for more than one knife in a pack. A small, sharp, utility type blade and a larger work horse.

Personally I'm +/- machetes. Despite them being our best sellers by far.

[NCO]

Exactly right. I carry a small swiss army knife in my pocket, a puukko on my belt, leuku and a hatchet in my backpack. The swiss is a backup-thing that's always with me.

[lucznik]

I own a Victorinox SAK that has the lock-back mechanism. I can't remember the name off-hand, but it's just like the one I gave RWC. :cowboy:

I've seen a few. I may pick up one called (I think) the Trekker to stow in my pack. However, these SAKs with a lock-back mechanism are all quite a bit larger than my Fieldmaster. I'm not sure I would enjoy carrying them in my pocket quite as much.

[Rick]

@ Lucznik: There are a lot of SAK lock back knives. Look for the Hercules, Equestrian, Outrider, Fireman One-Handed, Centurion, Forester, Soldier, Workchamp, Hunter, Skipper, Picknicker, Helmsman, One-Handed Trekker Series, Trekker, Rucksack, Adventurer or any in the Sentinel series. There may be others but one or more of those should offer the options you'll want. They are all smaller knives in the 4 3/8" closed range.

[Wise Old Owl]

I too will have to, respectfully, disagree with your assertion.

My all-day, every-day knife is a Victorinox Fieldmaster. It is, in my opinion, one of the most versatile and useful pocketknives ever made. The "large" blade is 2.5" long. The "short" blade measures a scant 1.5". I have field dressed and skinned elk with this knife. A bigger blade would not really have helped me. This knife also has a very useful saw blade which I have used to do things like cut through pelvic and leg bones and fell small trees. The only quibble I can think of with this knife is that I do wish the blades had a lock-back mechanism.

Other features with this knife include:

Scissors
Can Opener with Small (flat) Screwdriver
Bottle Opener with Large Flat Screwdriver and Wire Stripper
Reamer with Sewing Eye
Phillips Screwdriver
Hook
Toothpick
Tweezers


This little tool puts other knives to shame with its incredible versatility. If I could carry only one knife, this would be it.

Even my "large" hunting knife for over 3 decades has been a little 3" lock back Buck Ultralite. I do own a couple of fixed blade knives (Buck Alpha Hunter, Gerber Profile) that I do occasionally carry but, even they don't sport blades longer than 4"

The big knives carried by Mountain Men of yesteryear were intended primarily as close-quarter scalp protectors against Indians, i.e. they were carried for a specific (and nonexistent in today's world) purpose. Most of these men carried and used smaller blades for their daily field chores.

In my experience, the sharpness of a blade usually says much more about the blade's owner than about the blade's steel.

Yes, you've said that but; WHY do you think the longer knife is better?

Ok Lets say you have to make fuzz sticks in wet weather, you have to remove the bark and wet stuff in order to burn the dry wood, by opening it up. Pit your Wenger vs your Buck and I bet the Buck will be easier after lets say five minutes of whittling fuzz sticks.... Use your Wenger for five and then do five with the Buck I have done this already and there is a clear winner IMO.

Longer knife because its manageable.

[SARKY]

OK, my $0.02, Knives just like guns is a very personal thing! What feels good in my hand may not in yours. It is also a very personal relationship that a person has with their knife. In general, I think that a 3-5 inch drop point blade of what ever steel you feel comfortable with, with a full length tang and what ever scales/grips you like is the ideal general utility blade. That being said, I don't believe that there is ONE knife that can do it all well. That is why I generally have 2-3 on me at all times.

[lucznik]

Ok Lets say you have to make fuzz sticks in wet weather... Pit your [Victorinox] vs your Buck and I bet the Buck will be easier after lets say five minutes of whittling fuzz sticks.... Use your[Victorinox] for five and then do five with the Buck I have done this already and there is a clear winner... (emphasis added) You've done this with MY knives? How dare you sneak into my house and my pockets and borrow my stuff without permission! :whistling:

Seriously though, wouldn't this be just a function of which knife is the sharpest? (Which, in my case, would mean either one would work just fine as I keep all my blades shaving sharp.)

Making fuzz sticks - at least the way I was taught to do them - is more of a fine blade skill. I don't see why the smaller knife would be at any disadvantage here.

[kyratshooter]

Everyone seems to forget about the "Clutz Factor" when using and comparing knives.

Just as some people can not stay inside the lines of a coloring book, some people can not use a knife for anything but chopping. Some people prefer a hunge blade and hefty handle due to using their blades like most would use a baseball bat.

Others prefer to make bone fishooks, complete with eyelet holes, buttons, build snares and skin small game and other gear with their more delicate blades.

This is not a personal attack against anyone, simply pointing out the differences between individuals and their gross motor and fine motor skills.

I noticed that the persons refered too are contimperary "experts" many of whom seem greatly influnced by military training, where a "survival knife" doubbles as a hacker of human limbs, opener of 55 gallon barrels and digger of fighting holes.

Almost every "classic outdoor writer" advised a collection of cutting tools on entering the forest; hatchet, fixed blade less than 6" long and a folding knife for small work.

There is no reason on this green earth that a person should restrict themselves to only one cutting tool.

Reminds me! I must go to the Dr. tomorrow and he is going to carve on me a bit. I am not pretending to tell him what tool to use but if he comes at me with a RAT7 or LMF we will have words even if he assures me it will do "fine work".

[tsitenha]

excellent post kyratshooter, the right tool for the right job but most importantly the right skill to use that tool efficiently.

[jc1234]

I use a very large knife that I had made to suit my purposes

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It chops, it saws, it can serve as a hunting knife, but is ground enough to make precise cuts. I has several other uses as well. Its got a 10.5" blade, that many would say is too big. Its triple thermo quenched and completely hand forged for strength. I upsized my knife because my 8 inch blade wasnt large enough for some of the functions I required. I also carry a multi tool, but honestly, I havent used it since I got this knife. I use it for everything when Im out hiking (I havent camped yet this season).

Would I use it for military purposes, hand to hand combat, blah blah blah...no. But I am not in those positions where I would have too. Would I use it to defend against four legged critters, yes, I can draw it faster than my 45 and its safer for close quarters (such as an aggressive domesticated dog).

Anyway, its bigger than most people would want, but it does work for me. Its not fancy, but it just works plain and simple and its balanced enough to be precise. I thought balance in a big knife was impossible and over rated...I was completely wrong on both counts.

[Rick]

Yeah, but can you serve pate de foi gras with it? I thought so.

[jc1234]

Yeah, but can you serve pate de foi gras with it? I thought so.

No, but I cant seem to find a way to keep my wine chilled in the summer months while attempting to survive the elements either, so I figured it wasnt important. Well that and I hate liver.

[Rick]

Liver? You mean? Oh, well, yuck.

[hoosierarcher]

Am I the only one that thinks serrated partial edges are just plain stupid or at least poorly located?
I had a Cutco rep come to my house to do a demo and he brought out a 1.5 inch hemp rope and cut it with a Cutco Double Diamond serrations and then asked me to cut it with one of my kitchen knives. I just my boning knife and cut it cleaner and as quickly as his "fancy" serrated knife did. Learn how to sharpen your edge tools and weapons and keep them sharp. Serrations are for lazy people and bad additions to a survival knife, IMLTHO.

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