Survival kits info.

[hunter63]

All (many different ones for different stuff) my kits are a "work in progress".

I find my self adding stuff, usually because I didn't have it last time, then it's gets too full, or heavy, or a newer type bag shows up and away we go.

Basic kits, as well as pockets, are:
Knife, fire kit, water, first-aid, TP, compass, flashlight, rope, big garbage bags.

Next is thermos, lunch, candy.

Then anything else.

I like looking at everyone's lists, lot of thought goes into it, but I also try to see what I can pick up or improvise, so as to not have to carry it.

Ongoing nightmare would be caught in a 3 piece suit, straight from somewhere, where you wouldn't carry emergency stuff, in the winter, at nite in a blizzard.

[pete lynch]

...

Ongoing nightmare would be caught in a 3 piece suit, straight from somewhere, where you wouldn't carry emergency stuff, in the winter, at nite in a blizzard.

But at least you'll look good when they find you.:)

[Rick]

He will as long as the suit is polyester. Nothing's too good for our man Hunter.

(Hunter secretly caught picking up a few survival items)

http://dallasvintageshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/70_ish1.jpg

[hunter63]

Not pictured is my Lava lamp...........

[Rick]

Now that's funny I don't care who you are!!

[samfranklin]

All (many different ones for different stuff) my kits are a "work in progress".

I have a similar system to you a lot of my kits are in bits and pieces - and I agree I try to make a single item into a multi - use item to increase my kits effectiveness. But as I learnt before sometimes it all comes down to how effective they are.

[samfranklin]

I'm planning to do 2 nights out in my garden in the summer relying only on a tarp and my survival kit. I want to make the best survival kit I can for this but want it to be compact. Anybody got a good kit list/kit. My idea is to make my own ration packs/boil in the bags and be camping out only with those things and possibly a sleeping bag ;) thanks in advance.

[Rick]

Sam, any kit we offer would only be right for us. You need a kit that is right for you and for the environment you'll be in. Think of what you need in the back yard for those two nights, what the weather will be like and what you plan to do those two nights. Then build your pack to meet those needs. I actually think it's a really great plan. If you need something you don't have then you are right there to get it. Make note of it so you can add it to your pack. If you find out you didn't need some items then make a determination as to whether you want to keep it or not.

We all carry some basics that are necessary for us but my packs can change on an outing by outing basis depending on where I'm going, what the weather is and what I'll be doing while I'm out. Probably not what you wanted to hear but what's right for me may not be right for you.

[samfranklin]

Thanks for that Rick. My idea is because it is unlikely I'd be able to go and spend to nights like this in the woods, I want to try it but for now in my own home. Where's the best place for me to find a sort of standard list that I can change to suit myself. What features should I base the kit around. Geographical, weather?? What do the factors change mainly in my kit. More bigger kit, smaller kit? Thanks in advance.

[Sarge47]

Thanks for that Rick. My idea is because it is unlikely I'd be able to go and spend to nights like this in the woods, I want to try it but for now in my own home. Where's the best place for me to find a sort of standard list that I can change to suit myself. What features should I base the kit around. Geographical, weather?? What do the factors change mainly in my kit. More bigger kit, smaller kit? Thanks in advance.
Sam, your IP address shows me that you live in the Uk, triangulated by the towns of Darlington, Preston, & Leeds. If you haven't already got a copy, I recommend: "The SAS Survival Handbook" by John 'Lofty' Wiseman. Also Ray Mears comes from your neck of the woods so you might go to your local library and see what you can find written by him. Remember that you need to provide for the basics: Fire, shelter, water, & food. You need to stay dry and warm. Be sure & include a poncho or rain jacket. If they have plastic trash bags where you live you can even make one out of one of those. Also, your post back on the 29th of June, my 63rd birthday, BTW, was a great start! I'm impressed on your decision to start out training close to home! Sarge salutes you! :cool2:

[Rick]

Sam, we have it all. Scroll down to Survival Kits.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/chp3.php

[Beans]

I'm planning to do 2 nights out in my garden in the summer relying only on a tarp and my survival kit. I want to make the best survival kit I can for this but want it to be compact. Anybody got a good kit list/kit. My idea is to make my own ration packs/boil in the bags and be camping out only with those things and possibly a sleeping bag ;) thanks in advance.

In that location a couple pints, a couple of bangers and a cougar should take care of all your needs :innocent:

[samfranklin]

Thanks guys for all your help with this and I'll certainly let you know how it goes!
In that location a couple pints, a couple of bangers and a cougar should take care of all your needs Interesting thought! :/

[scoutsurvivor]

I find that most of these lists of survival kits are just too much for me to concider to be a kit. Of course, a lot of what should be in a kit should depend upon its use (car emergency, home, backpacking), but when I think of survival kit, the basic thing I think of is what I would have in my pockets and/or a small backpack, with all other items being situational extras.

So, for me a survival kit consists of a personal first-aid kit, a fire starter, a knife, a water bottle (full), a granola bar, a length of parachute cord, and appropriate clothing, plus an extra layer in reserve. That extra layer is usually a hooded rain jacket-- light nylon in the summer, oversized heavier goretex in the other 3 seasons. In the winter I will also toss-in a couple of hand-warmer packs.

With that said, each of my vehicles has a full first-aid kit, assorted tools, a blanket, and some light rope (amazing how often that comes in handy). My children build and maintain our vehicle and home first-aid kits with my supervision, because I want them to learn these skills and know I can depend on them to follow directions in an emergency.

If I'm traveling with others, at all, I will toss a family first-aid kit in my backpack. People look at me weird when I go somewhere that I have to have my backpack checked (like a ball game) and there is a first-aid kit in there, but I know where a kit is in an emergency.

When traveling with others in the winter I pack another pair of handwarmers.

Of course, if I'm camping then a whole list of other items starts being added, but this seems to go beyond survival.

The best way to be prepaired, however, is situational awareness. For example, a fire kit does you no good if you can't identify appropriate fuel in the ecosystem you are in.

[BushedOut]

Here is the contents of my survival tin:

-Flint & striker
-Waterproof strike anywhere matches (broken in half to save space)
-Cotton balls (tinder and prevents items from rattling around)
-10 ft of snare wire
-6 small hooks
-6 small splitshot sinkers
-Bandaids
-Butterfly sutures
-Razor blade or flat 2 edged broadhead blade
-Needles wrapped with braided 10lb test fishing line
-Triple anti-biotic ointment
-Anti-histamine tablet (benedryl for allergic reactions)
-Aspirin (in case of emergency heart attack)
-Ibuprophen (pain relief for injuries)
-Wire saw
-Small piece of candy or chocolate
-Electrolyte packet or tablets
-Water purification tablets
-Button compass
-Boullion cube or packet
-Mini magnifying glass (can be found with most eye-glasses repair kits)
-Compact emergency whistle
-Birthday candle (preferably the trick ones that are difficult to extinguish)
-Condom (used for a water bag)

[intel440]

Hey there SurvivalScout! I like your take on using Survival kits. :cool: You HAVE to take the darn things out in the bush and test them out. You HAVE to practice using the stuff in those kits. Trust me, just because you have some hooks and fishing line in your kit, don't assume it's easy turning that into fresh food! Just for fun, ask some of the guys that love fishing if they catch fish all the time, even with their fancy and high-tech gear? :D Will that little pack of salt help you when you're needing nutrition? Can that dinky little Xacto blade or razor blade in there, actually do anything bush related, when you need a blade?

Everything in your kit should be tested and used by you, personally and either in there because it works or out of there because, for you it doesn't work well enough. There have been SO many advancements made in this area in the last few decades, that a person can put together a VERY powerful little Survival Kit, without breaking the bank these days. That, along with the real knowledge of how to use it, will instill a pile of confidence, even in the shyer types of survivors out there. Being positive and confident, in life, is your ace in the hole, your hidden magic, that will keep you alive where others of lesser metal would perish from depression and anguish and fear and stupidity or the cold, long before hunger took them...

Thanx for posting this SS, and for reminding all of us to get out there even more often, and practice our skills even more than before. Life is short.:( Let's do stuff we really like, more often than we did before even...:)


lb....he is right on........practice makes perfect..........

[crashdive123]

Hey there intel440 how about stopping by the Introduction section and telling us a bit about yourself. Thanks. Here's the declassified link. http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14

[Sarge47]

Hey there intel440 how about stopping by the Introduction section and telling us a bit about yourself. Thanks. Here's the declassified link. http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14
the same goes for BushedOut! :cool2:

[Justin Case]

You are right sarge , This was a fun read starting at post 217,, "Ranger Rick" LOL, what a buffoon ! I doubt he would have the guts to come back here , :lol:

[ruffoverlord]

For my first post, I would like to have you're opinions on the compact survival tool kit that I have put together. Just to be clear that is not all im carring around its what I have on my belt. If you've tried anything below share you're experience or what you suggest instead. I also have a first aid kit which I will post soon because its a two page long list of stuff. I also always include 100' of paracord, tarp, extra socks (no cotton), my "Nam" boonie hat, fishing gloves and food rations with chlorine dioxide (aka mms) for water purification... I hate carrying gallons of water around its useless since there is a lot of streams where I live in Eastern Canada. :sweatingbullets:


http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1777/dscf09082.jpg

It includes:
-A Gerber folding metal wood saw
-A Buck 119 420HC stainless steel hunting knife
-A Buck lite 424 420HC stainless steel folding knife (as backup... excellent to carve wood because its very light and sturdy)
-A knife sharpener stick
-Multi-tool pliers with led light, philips screwdriver and small saw and knife
-Multi-fonction whistle with led light, thermometer, Magnifying glass, mirror and compass
-Magnesium Firestarter

[Sourdough]

I regret to inform you that: You are going to die............:ohmy:

[NightShade]

I regret to inform you that: You are going to die............:ohmy:

yup.... he's a goner

[NightShade]

seriously... not a bad start.... hope you have a lotta knowledge and experience if that is all you carry!

Those "small , light tools" are nice ..... except when they cant get the job done... and in my experience, you mind as well throw away those small bubble compasses...
and why carry "fishing gloves" if you carry no fishing gear?

[crashdive123]

Have you tried your kit out? If not, take it out in the woods. Bring your regular camping stuff, but try and use just your little kit. This way you will know what works for you, and where you are lacking. You'll have all of your camping gear as a fall back in case you need it. Everybody has different skill sets, so what works for me, or somebody else here may not work for you - or visa versa. When you get a chance, drop on by the Introduction section and tell us a little about yourself. Thanks. http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14

[ruffoverlord]

Its only a lightweight backpack survival kit for weekends on the forest trails, I am not parachuting into northern wilderness ok lolll dont worry soo much. I bring the whislte as backup del lamp mostly not for the crappy compass dont worry I always bring topo maps of the area before I go. The fishing gloves are half rubber and half nylon for good gripping and hand protection without sweathing + they are so fit no need take them off for anything.
I've tried almost all these items except the buck 119 which I chose to replace the sog fusion I had before who failed miserably to keep sharp when clearing branches in the boreal forest. I heard the buck119 is good for a lifetime of bushcraft is that true.
I rarely bring a hatchet because its more effort and I rarely cut wood bigger than my forearm.
Any other suggestions?

[hunter63]

Good start.
So, I didn't notice a drinking/boiling water container/cup?
Tinder? or char cloth? Pocket full of Bic's?
Mirror?

[Justin Case]

Better than nothing.

[NightShade]

lol... ok... well if its only for a short hike on a weekend day in the forest... its more then I usually bring! I just look at a few of the items in the picture, and recognize them as items I've already discarded as useless... as a whistle/light.. cool, as long as you realize that is a P.O.S. to rely on as a compass...
Your Magnesium firestarter is a great tool to have!!! Looks like you haven't used it before tho.. at least not that one... I reccomend trying it out.. It's not too hard, but there is a little knack to it.. better to learn now then when you need it.

[ruffoverlord]

I have a metal cup with enamel coating but it goes with the water purification and food rations pack not in this tool kit. I group my stuff in 2 parts; readily accessible and back pack because once im geared up i dont like to take off my back pack all the time. This picture here is whats on my belt ready for access while the rest is in my back pack.
The magnesium firestarter was use only for the flint stricker, the magnesium is for extreme cases I tested it its a lifesaver when the tinder is damp in the morning.

[NightShade]

I have a metal cup with enamel coating but it goes with the water purification and food rations pack not in this tool kit. I group my stuff in 2 parts; readily accessible and back pack because once im geared up i dont like to take off my back pack all the time. This picture here is whats on my belt ready for access while the rest is in my back pack.

Ahhhh.. see this is info you should have included originaly...
makes me think of you a little differently.... an intro post woulda helped too.. just sayin..:innocent:

side note... an easily accessable canteen or camelback or whatever is a good idea! I dont like going into the pack alot either...but hydration is an important aspect of most if not all outdoors activities!

[NightShade]

The magnesium firestarter was use only for the flint stricker, the magnesium is for extreme cases I tested it its a lifesaver when the tinder is damp in the morning.

I have one of those in every pack and vehicle I own... they are great!!
If you only use it for the flint tho... there are much better products available!
You can buy just a flint stick from most outdoors stores or even dpartment stores with a sporting section. bigger piece of flint that is easier to strike and will throw more sparks.... I keep a Magnesium as backup and use a flintstick as main firestarter.... total cost is under $15.. Then, of course, there's items like the "blastmatch"... little more $, but if you cant start a fire with this.... then you wont with anything!!

[ruffoverlord]

Yes thats true I have a canadian military issued camelback And its Very usefull compared to a bottle and once again allows me to drink without stopping. Good suggestion thanks nightshade!
I'll do a proper intro soon just thought ill try this forum out a little since i've bought the buck 119 2day for the hunting season and I would like to have you guys opinions about it.
I thought about the firestick alone but the bigger the heavier it gets and im trying to keep it light and anyway it only needs one spark my friend lolll.
I'm surprised nobody told me to pack an axe or hatchet...

[Sourdough]

I agree with NightShade, Use it.........Hell abuse it even. Eleven year old girls have nice new stuff, they save for their wedding/marriage/dowry. A "Real Man" uses his stuff, and if it breaks, great a good excuse of a new thingie. The truth is I don't know squat about survival kits. I also just throw some crap in my pocket and go.
To me the GOING is more important than the "Pretty" survival kit. I think too many people confuse Mental-Masturbating over the perfect survival, with getting there butt out in the wilderness. Oh welcome to the Forum.

[NightShade]

I'm surprised nobody told me to pack an axe or hatchet...

Geez... it's only your 4th post.... give it time...

[Sourdough]

I'm surprised nobody told me to pack an axe or hatchet...


PACK a Axe or Hatchet.................:ohmy::ohmy::ohmy:

[NightShade]

Use it.........Hell abuse it even. Eleven year old girls have nice new stuff, they save for their wedding/marriage/dowry. A "Real Man" uses his stuff, and if it breaks, great a good excuse of a new thingie. .

words to live by... I couldn't agree more!

[NightShade]

which I chose to replace the sog fusion I had before who failed miserably to keep sharp when clearing branches in the boreal forest.

Any other suggestions?

wrong tool for the job.... the Buck will dissapoint you as well if you intend the same use. (use the nice shiny saw!!!)

[NightShade]

I thought about the firestick alone but the bigger the heavier it gets and im trying to keep it light and anyway it only needs one spark my friend lolll.
...

look into them... they are about the size of the Mgnsm .... just all flint no magnesium... bout the size of a carkey.. fits in your pocket...

Oh... and stop editing your posts and forcing me to requote:innocent::thumbup1::innocent: lol

[ruffoverlord]

I've used the saw all summer and its awesome for any wood the size of an arm or less, green or dry its always effective. the pliers i used them mostly to manipulate boiling water container but the del lamp on this this thing is unbelievable for its size and the small wood saw is a nice complement for cutting sticks.

[ruffoverlord]

You're right the buck is too small and heavy to use as a machete on the trail but the saw is so much better as its less effort but takes more time yet leaves less of a mess behind. I prefer to conserve energy than gain a little time when clearing branches in the forest.
I used to have a swiss army knife but after trial and error I think a locking mechanisms is essentials on folding knives. Thats why I switched it for a combo pliers multitool and buck lite knife instead. I threw the swiss knife in the first aid instead.

[Rick]

Why don't you try posting an introduction so we know if you are 9 or 90? You can use this template to get you started.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7813

[TheWoodsman]

Not sure if there is a catagory for this...i just joined so here it is.
This is a on-going list i'm making for a survival. I will try out all my gear when i get it but i am in the plannijng process now so please add or remove what you items feel neccessary, thanks.

Wool blanket or sleeping bag (both)
Knife with firesteel
lighter
Canteen
Hatchet
Compass
Casio Pathfinder watch
First aid kit ( what should it include )
GPS with soar kit
Sunglasses
Shake or crank Flashlight ( no batteries )
Osprey argon 110 pack
50-100ft. 550 paracord
Sewing kit
Multi-tool
Hat
Raingear
Tarp
Duct tape
Mess kit
Fishing kit
towel
food
Mosquito net
Map
Chap stick
Water purifier ( what kinds )

This is just a general list not meant for a specific enviroment, just a basis that i always want to have and then can add based on where i go you know.

[Old GI]

Uh-oh. A Mod will be along shortly to help you with the correct procedures here. More importantly, you will find NUMEROUS, very long threads on this very quandry. Good luck.

[SARKY]

Yo Woodsman, How about going over to the intro section and introduce yourself and tell us a bit about yourself.

[Rick]

add or remove what you items feel neccessary

Are you looking for input because you are missing some important items. An intro would be helpful so we know how old you are.

1. Whistle (Tornado or Storm are both good. There are other good ones out there just make certain it's pealess)

2. Mirror (StarFlash is about the best one the market)

A wool blanket and a sleeping bag are pretty darn heavy to be packing.

[RangerXanatos]

I'd also add some small cash in-case you find it back to civilization and really need something to drink or eat.

[Artzi]

This is just a general list not meant for a specific enviroment, just a basis that i always want to have and then can add based on where i go you know.

I think it would be much more beneficial for you if you could specify more the environment where you atleast planning to go and that way we could maybe give you more specific tips about your gear.

Truth is that there is basically same gear list in every survival book and you will be more than OK with that stuff, but it is more or less the experience that will then build the perfect toolset ... for your needs. :cowboy:

Here is my tip: Add few chemical hand warmers.

[BornthatWay]

I have a survival kit that I carry with me all the time.

[Rick]

You might want to post your introduction in the Introduction thread instead of the Blog section. More folks will see it there. Here's a template you can use if you wish.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7813

And the Introduction section:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14

[Scaru]

here it is not pictured is 12 esbit tabs what do you people think i should add/subtract or change about this kit it weighs about 5 pounds

[Winnie]

Definitely add a first aid kit, and some food of some sort. Instant soup, energy bars, quick cook pasta meals or noodles, anything to keep the energy up. Also a lighter, waterproof matches can sometimes let you down. If funds permit a good quality knife. I'm sure there's more!

[BornthatWay]

You might want to add a water bottle with some water and at least some hard candy for energy and also will help keep your mouth moist. I find that a good sour lemon hard candy tends to keep my mouth the most moist.

[Scaru]

i have the playpus bottle if you look at the picture it is listed as "waterbottle" it is one of those collapsable ones the psp+ has a fixed blade knife in it and i already have a granola bar but i probably should add another so ill do that and ill get a lighter to go in there when i get a chance

[BornthatWay]

I realize you have an empty water bottle. But when you start out you should have a full bottle just in case you do not find water before you need a drink.

[rwc1969]

I think I'd swap out one of the ponchos and one space blanket for a sheet of thick clear plastic, 10 X 12' and swap out the box cutter for a sturdy fixed blade. I'd also lose the matches and add a fire steel and some tinder. And, I'd add a basic first aid kit with a mirror, tweezers, bandaids, compresses, gauze, micropore tape, pain killers, vitamins, eye wash, anti-bacterial ointment, alcohol pads, and such.

Looks good though.

[crashdive123]

Water purification tablets and the Platypus collapsible bottle are good, but keep in mind that tablets may not get rid of some nasties in the water. Maybe a canteen cup or other metal container for boiling water? I would include back-ups to your matches as well.

[crashdive123]

Oh - and you forgot to label the shoes in the picture.:D

[Scaru]

there is a metal cup, and i forgot to picture the fixed blade knife,i always carry a little first aid kit in my pockets im gonna go and get a painters tarp and put some holes in it to go in there becuase thats a good suggestion and i just added a lighter and this is not used as my normal pack which does have water in it some more bars and a bigger first aidkit but this is incase i lose my pack

[crashdive123]

In my opinion - the most important thing to do - regardless of the size of the kit - is to take it out and try it. See if it does what you need it to do. If it does, then you have the confidence in both your kit and your abilities. If you need to adjust it a bit, then you get immediate feedback.

[charibelle18]

I recommend "The Herb Book" by John Lust

It has over 2,000 listings with over 275 line drawings. It is referenced, & cross referenced. It tells the Common Names, Medicinal Parts, Descriptions, Properties & Uses, as well as Preparation & Dosage. It starts at the basics, even explaining how to make a decoction, infusion, tincture,...
It even lists plant dyes by plant, or color. It is a must for health survival, in the field.

I feel that this is an invaluable part of anyone's kit.

[payne]

Scenario:
- Number: 2 persons
- Location: A forest in British Columbia (or Alberta?)
- Length: 20 days
- Time: May

Here's the whole equipment list:
• Mosquito net
• Snare wire
• Cordage
• Survival Knife
• Penknife
• Fry pan (and a cover for boiling water?)
• Water bottle
• Fishing line and hook(s)
• Bear spray
• Flint
• Flashlight + Batteries
• Cotton-ball tinder into a zip-lock bag
• First Aid Kit
• Poncho
• Small axe
• Backpack
• A canoe waterproof bag (for food storage in the trees)
• Minimal food rations
• Whistle
• Wild Edible Plants/Berries (book or notes)
• {Optional?} Straps and carabiners
• {Optional?} Earplugs
• {Optional?} Condoms
• {Optional?} Knife sharpener
• {Optional?} Large garbage bag (for tree stills)
• {Optional?} Working gloves
• {Optional?} Trail flags
• {Optional?} Plastic spoon
• {Optional?} Duct tape

Too huge? Unrealistic? Unfitting? Comment.
If you could give your advice on whether or not you consider the "{Optional?}" marked items as being optional, it'd be great.
And finally, what should the First Aid Kit contain?

EDIT: I realize I used the term "Survival Kit"... that's more of a list of equipment I'd bring to "live off the land". Please base your answers on this fact. =)

[Sarge47]

Scenario:
- Number: 2 persons
- Location: A forest in British Columbia (or Alberta?)
- Length: 20 days
- Time: May

Here's the whole equipment list:
• Mosquito net
• Snare wire
• Cordage
• Survival Knife
• Penknife
• Fry pan (and a cover for boiling water?)
• Water bottle
• Fishing line and hook(s)
• Bear spray
• Flint
• Flashlight + Batteries
• Cotton-ball tinder into a zip-lock bag
• First Aid Kit
• Poncho
• Small axe
• Backpack
• A canoe waterproof bag (for food storage in the trees)
• Minimal food rations
• Whistle
• Wild Edible Plants/Berries (book or notes)
• {Optional?} Straps and carabiners
• {Optional?} Earplugs
• {Optional?} Condoms
• {Optional?} Knife sharpener
• {Optional?} Large garbage bag (for tree stills)
• {Optional?} Working gloves
• {Optional?} Trail flags
• {Optional?} Plastic spoon
• {Optional?} Duct tape

Too huge? Unrealistic? Unfitting? Comment.
If you could give your advice on whether or not you consider the "{Optional?}" marked items as being optional, it'd be great.
And finally, what should the First Aid Kit contain?

EDIT: I realize I used the term "Survival Kit"... that's more of a list of equipment I'd bring to "live off the land". Please base your answers on this fact. =)

Well, 1st I noticed that you listed "condoms" which was plural; then I noticed that you listed TWO people...hmmm :creepy:

Remember the 4 essentials of survival, they are...?

Next, group your items under those 4 categories.

Finally, your 1st aid kit should contain 1st aid items. For a more detailed list use the "search" function. Hope this helps. :whistling:

[Winter]

Well, if your knife is not field sharpenable with a smooth stone, you are gonna need a knife sharpening device.

Boiling water in your frying pan makes terrible water. A stainless steel water bottle will boil water. Frying pan is useless without some grease/lard/oil.

Why a plastic spoon? Get metal so you can cook with it.

[RangerXanatos]

I'll only mention three things and then let others comment.

1. Glad you have a FAK listed. Many young people think their impervious to injury
2. How about a map and compass in case you get lost or need to know the fastest route back to civilization.
3. How much is "Minimal food rations?" You're going to go through a lot of calories on your trek and if you don't have the food available, you're going mighty hungry.

[payne]

Well, if your knife is not field sharpenable with a smooth stone, you are gonna need a knife sharpening device.

Boiling water in your frying pan makes terrible water. A stainless steel water bottle will boil water. Frying pan is useless without some grease/lard/oil.

Why a plastic spoon? Get metal so you can cook with it.
Why metal? I'll use a wood stick to cook. =P
And plastic weights less than metal.


I'll only mention three things and then let others comment.

1. Glad you have a FAK listed. Many young people think their impervious to injury
2. How about a map and compass in case you get lost or need to know the fastest route back to civilization.
3. How much is "Minimal food rations?" You're going to go through a lot of calories on your trek and if you don't have the food available, you're going mighty hungry.
1. For 20 days, it'd be really stupid. ;o
2. Humm... I'll ask my partner to have those I guess. I did not think about the "fastest route": I had in mind we'd only come back on our path. This will be taken in consideration based on the spot where we will go. Thanks. =)
3. This is meant to be a survival trip, not a simple trek. The minimal food will be used only if we -really- need it. It'll probably consist into "gruel" and something else with very high calories, proteins and carbohydrates.


Well, 1st I noticed that you listed "condoms" which was plural; then I noticed that you listed TWO people...hmmm :creepy::creepy:
On a more serious note, condoms could be used to collect rainwater, transport water from a stream to the fire, or can also be used as gloves (I guess?).

And why should I group my items into "Fire/Shelter/Water/Food/Medical/Signal" ? =/
Anyways, many items can be used in many categories. =P

On 1st Aid Kit:
LMXXwwZh57o
Most of it, minus sunscreen.
Makes sense? ;o

I'd give the responsibility of assembling the 1st Aid Kit to my partner since he's the one that knows the most about that stuff. =P

[LowKey]

Hunting license?
Definitely a map and compass.
Are you going on a planned hike or are you thinking you are going to live off the land under the radar for 20 days? Just be sure to tell someone when you will be back so they can send out the SAR when you don't come back.

[welderguy]

Thing's to consider swapping out.
The pen knife for a SAK
The frypan for a jet boil.
The plastic Spoon for a titanium Spork.
You don't need the waterproof canoe bag use a trash bag to hang.your food with
Duck tape is always a good thing to have. And a way to sharpen your knives is a good idea.

[crashdive123]

With that kit for 20 days in the forests of BC or Alberta, your skill level as well as your partner's had better be extremely high.

[payne]

Hunting license?
Definitely a map and compass.
Are you going on a planned hike or are you thinking you are going to live off the land under the radar for 20 days? Just be sure to tell someone when you will be back so they can send out the SAR when you don't come back.
Problem is, we aren't sure yet of the number of days we'll stay in there. As I see it right now, if we're really enjoying it like crazy little kids (I can still dream =P), we might stay longer.


Thing's to consider swapping out.
The pen knife for a SAK
The frypan for a jet boil.
The plastic Spoon for a titanium Spork.
You don't need the waterproof canoe bag use a trash bag to hang.your food with
Duck tape is always a good thing to have. And a way to sharpen your knives is a good idea.
Sorry for looking stupid, but what is a SAK? And why would it be better than a pen knife?
And also, what is a jet boil? XD
Keep in mind I'm not a native English talking person: I'm a French-canadian... so my vocabulary some times limit my comprehension. =P

A trash bag would get raped by squirrels and other small mammals, no? The canoe bag is robust.

And talking about sharpening knives. I remember Bear Grylls doing so with little rocks spread on a wood stick. Is this method valuable? Do you have other good "wild" methods?

EDIT: And what about a Field Repair Kit? I guess it could prove itself to be useful in many occasions. Or will duct tape always do the trick?

[gryffynklm]

SAK Knife
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=SAK&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&pq=sak&xhr=t&q=SAK+knife&cp=9&pf=p&sclient=psy&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&source=hp&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=SAK+knife&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=d2b4304b4e24e04e

Jetboil
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=JEt+Boil&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&source=hp&q=JEtBoil&aq=f&aqi=g5&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=d2b4304b4e24e04e

[welderguy]

Swiss army knife - SAK.
squirrels can eat thru just about anything , as can coons. Well yea grylls did it but he also drinks piss nuff said there.
A jetboil is a compact stove that packs up Into a cup
/ cooking pot. , google them you might like it.

[Rick]

My suggestion is that you take that kit as you have it laid out and spend the week-end with it. Determine what worked and what didn't and adjust accordingly. Then try your modified kit for the week-end. Determine what worked and what didn't and adjust accordingly. If you do that three, four or five times you should come out with a kit that is right for you. If you expect to put that kit together then go out and tackle your 20 days or whatever number you decide on it's going to be a pretty miserable experience.

[welderguy]

@rick, I've had the same bag for 6 years now and I still do that.

[payne]

Swiss army knife - SAK.
squirrels can eat thru just about anything , as can coons. Well yea grylls did it but he also drinks piss nuff said there.
A jetboil is a compact stove that packs up Into a cup
/ cooking pot. , google them you might like it.
Jetboil looks utterly useless: I'll use fires to boil my water... ;o
I thought "pen knife" where SAK. I was really talking about SAK, in fact. :P
But now, a new question arises: what kind of options/tools should the SAK have? There are so many different set-ups...


My suggestion is that you take that kit as you have it laid out and spend the week-end with it. Determine what worked and what didn't and adjust accordingly. Then try your modified kit for the week-end. Determine what worked and what didn't and adjust accordingly. If you do that three, four or five times you should come out with a kit that is right for you. If you expect to put that kit together then go out and tackle your 20 days or whatever number you decide on it's going to be a pretty miserable experience.
Problem being I will not have a single time to try it out until I must leave home once I finish school... and once I leave home, I'll have this whole equipment list with me, so there aren't much chances to change things.
I'll meet my partner weeks after I left, so if he ever he feels the need for it, he can test my list on his own.
I can personally only rely on the draft I'll have elaborated with you guys by the end of school session.
I'm pretty sure it's hard to "miss-use" that kind of basic equipment and I really don't see what could really turn bad with these items. =/

P.S. By "leaving home", I mean 5000+ Km of hitch-hike adventure. ;P

[hunter63]

I am really glad to see a 'list" of items........A whole lot more thought went into it, congrats.

Might want to check into fishing license...... easy way to gather protein, and you don't really have to be there.
Swiss Army Knife has been in my pocket for close to 50 years, and use it just about every day.
Basic knife, 2 blades, can opener/screw driver, bottle opener/screw driver, saw, awl, scissors, tooth pick, tweezers....and if your gonna bring condoms, maybe a cork screw for the fine wine........
I think I have the "Huntsman" in my pocket now.

[payne]

I am really glad to see a 'list" of items........A whole lot more thought went into it, congrats.
Told you guys I was under rush and would have time to work on the project after the exams. ;)
Final exams are coming pretty fast, though... =/
Anyhow, I'm nearly done reading the 443 pages of Army's Survival Guide: I've reached the Appendixes, so it's not really like I can take much more notes out of it.
I soon should start trying to a fire going with only wood and cord (bow drill method). Anyone knows which type of fire produces the less smoke as possible?

[Sourdough]

Anyone knows which type of fire produces the less smoke as possible?

Propane...............

[finallyME]

For a SAK, just make sure it has a knife blade, saw, and scissors. A file is also good. You will use those more than anything else.

You will want to bring something to sharpen your knife. You can sharpen in the field, but that takes experience, which you will only gain by ruining a knife or two. Not something you want to risk outside of practice. Besides, there are some pretty small knife sharpeners out there.

You will also want something separate to boil water in, besides the fry pan. Someone mentioned a metal water bottle. Make sure it isn't aluminum. Stainless or titanium only. You can get a stainless one for $5, and a titanium one for $50.

[payne]

Propane...............
That would really kill the experience, in my honest opinion. =/

For a SAK, just make sure it has a knife blade, saw, and scissors. A file is also good. You will use those more than anything else.

You will want to bring something to sharpen your knife. You can sharpen in the field, but that takes experience, which you will only gain by ruining a knife or two. Not something you want to risk outside of practice. Besides, there are some pretty small knife sharpeners out there.

You will also want something separate to boil water in, besides the fry pan. Someone mentioned a metal water bottle. Make sure it isn't aluminum. Stainless or titanium only. You can get a stainless one for $5, and a titanium one for $50.
Ok, thanks. =)

[Sourdough]

That would really kill the experience, in my honest opinion.

What experience are you aspiring to achieve. And, Why that experience over another...?

[Rick]

On the metal water bottle make certain it is NOT double walled. If you put that on the fire it will explode or at least pop a seam if it has one.

[Camp10]

I prefer a multi-tool to the SAK. I carry the Gerber but the Leatherman and the SOG are also good tools. Your going to want a tarp on your list (at least, I would want one on mine). They are good for fast shelter and they are light. It really sucks when all your stuff is wet. Also, a fire is going to be a pain if thats your only heat source for 20 days x every meal! A jetboil or something similar will be worth thinking about.

One more thing, make sure you follow the game laws and have licenses that you need to take any animal. It isnt really a survival situation if your "plan A" is to kill and eat stuff once you get there...

[crashdive123]

J
Problem being I will not have a single time to try it out until I must leave home once I finish school... and once I leave home, I'll have this whole equipment list with me, so there aren't much chances to change things.
I'll meet my partner weeks after I left, so if he ever he feels the need for it, he can test my list on his own.
I can personally only rely on the draft I'll have elaborated with you guys by the end of school session.
I'm pretty sure it's hard to "miss-use" that kind of basic equipment and I really don't see what could really turn bad with these items. =/

P.S. By "leaving home", I mean 5000+ Km of hitch-hike adventure. ;P

This statement bothers me more than anything else, and indicates that you are no where near ready for your journey. Not trying to talk you out of it, and I truly wish you well. If you are not willing to put some field time in for a journey like this you are setting yourself up for failure. Since you will not help yourself, I cannot offer any advice to you (not that it would really matter).

[Old GI]

5,000 KM in 20 days? Did I read and calculate this correctly? 250 KM/day?

I think the advice about shorter training sessions prior to this very large endeavor is something you need to think about. Skill development, kit validation, mental fitness, etc.

[NCO]

Anyone knows which type of fire produces the less smoke as possible?

Well dried birch tree smokes very little.


Honestly I would swap that frying pan to a kettle of some sort, or to a German style mess kit. http://wiki.partio.net/images/thumb/e/e5/Pakki.jpg/250px-Pakki.jpg
That gives you a small frying pan, kettle(more boiling capacity) coon proof storage and so on and it'll be light too when you take aluminium one. Since you'll be hiking you want to think multi use items to eliminate excess weight. And get a titanium spork!

[gryffynklm]

Payne

Let me start by saying that I totally agree with Crash in post 23. I recommend that you prepare for your trip.

You state that you are too bust with your studies which implies that you feel that it is necessary for you to prepare for your chosen field of study. You have been given tools books, software, hardware to do this and instruction time to give you a chance to become proficient in the knowledge and use of those tools. By your implication. stressing your studies as being important, I assume that you do not like the idea of going into a test without having studied and practiced the what you have learned. You wish to be successful in your classes therefore you study avoiding failure. I commend you on your attitude for your studies.

Your attitude toward your "Survival journey" is a contradiction to your studies.
You plan on collecting information, tools and choose to go take your Survival TEST Journey, without the study and practice.

I like you am arrogant in that I feel that I can do just about anything I put my mind to.
I repair my car using a repair manual, and purchase the tools I need. I am not an auto repair mechanic.
Here is what I have learned and accept for gaining the experience.

It will take me at least twice as long then a mechanic due to lack of experience. Not a big deal.
You will take at least twice as long as someone with experience. It could be a real big deal if you become injured and have to stop bleeding.

I must reference the book despite reading it several times the night before and still have to pause to understand how it applies to the actual part.
You plan on having some references field guide. A reference is just that something you fall back on the enforce your knowledge. Its a bit late to be using it as a work book. How's that sprained ankle doing.

On occasion I need another tool or I'm missing a part in the middle of the repair. Not a big deal more time wasted.
you wouldn't know that you forgot to purchase that optional part for the new wonder gadget until you use it. I have encountered new products that are missing parts from its packaging. Waiting until you are in the field to try new gear can be surprising.

Sometimes I have to call a buddy for advice. Not a big deal.
Well..... You probably can't.

I sometimes make mistakes and sometimes have to re do things. Not a big deal I have some time and a spare car.
Well if you aren't practiced you may encounter the negative side of the learning curve.

You should put the same effort in to your trip that you are putting into your studies.

Check out the links below
British Columbia SAR statistics 2010:

Located Alive 1400
Located deceased 80
Not Located 55

If SAR is sent out to find you 8.8% chance you won't come out alive.

BC Search And Rescue excellent site for you to begin your research.
http://www.bcsara.com/stats.php#

Check out Adventure Smart link under the heading prevention on the above site I have provided it below incase you cant find it or don't have time to look.
English http://www.adventuresmart.ca/land/hiking.htm
French http://www.adventuresmart.ca/french/land/hiking.htm

Lots of great info there are tabs for Hiking, hunting, survive outside, trip safety.... Great stuff.

I'm going to look for our local SAR site to see what goodies they have for my area.

[Rick]

Are you going to leave a trip plan with anyone? Do you plan to check in on a regular basis? Have you established any communication plan that says if I don't contact you by X call SAR?

[Justin Case]

Payne

Let me start by saying that I totally agree with Crash in post 23. I recommend that you prepare for your trip.

You state that you are too bust with your studies which implies that you feel that it is necessary for you to prepare for your chosen field of study. You have been given tools books, software, hardware to do this and instruction time to give you a chance to become proficient in the knowledge and use of those tools. By your implication. stressing your studies as being important, I assume that you do not like the idea of going into a test without having studied and practiced the what you have learned. You wish to be successful in your classes therefore you study avoiding failure. I commend you on your attitude for your studies.

Your attitude toward your "Survival journey" is a contradiction to your studies.
You plan on collecting information, tools and choose to go take your Survival TEST Journey, without the study and practice.

I like you am arrogant in that I feel that I can do just about anything I put my mind to.
I repair my car using a repair manual, and purchase the tools I need. I am not an auto repair mechanic.
Here is what I have learned and accept for gaining the experience.

It will take me at least twice as long then a mechanic due to lack of experience. Not a big deal.
You will take at least twice as long as someone with experience. It could be a real big deal if you become injured and have to stop bleeding.

I must reference the book despite reading it several times the night before and still have to pause to understand how it applies to the actual part.
You plan on having some references field guide. A reference is just that something you fall back on the enforce your knowledge. Its a bit late to be using it as a work book. How's that sprained ankle doing.

On occasion I need another tool or I'm missing a part in the middle of the repair. Not a big deal more time wasted.
you wouldn't know that you forgot to purchase that optional part for the new wonder gadget until you use it. I have encountered new products that are missing parts from its packaging. Waiting until you are in the field to try new gear can be surprising.

Sometimes I have to call a buddy for advice. Not a big deal.
Well..... You probably can't.

I sometimes make mistakes and sometimes have to re do things. Not a big deal I have some time and a spare car.
Well if you aren't practiced you may encounter the negative side of the learning curve.

You should put the same effort in to your trip that you are putting into your studies.

Check out the links below
British Columbia SAR statistics 2010:

Located Alive 1400
Located deceased 80
Not Located 55

If SAR is sent out to find you 8.8% chance you won't come out alive.

BC Search And Rescue excellent site for you to begin your research.
http://www.bcsara.com/stats.php#

Check out Adventure Smart link under the heading prevention on the above site I have provided it below incase you cant find it or don't have time to look.
English http://www.adventuresmart.ca/land/hiking.htm
French http://www.adventuresmart.ca/french/land/hiking.htm

Lots of great info there are tabs for Hiking, hunting, survive outside, trip safety.... Great stuff.

I'm going to look for our local SAR site to see what goodies they have for my area.

Excellent post ! rep sent .

[LowKey]

Bunch o you guys got me on ignore, huh. LOL.
This is another kid wandering off into the woods without a clue. I'm with Crash. The advice he doesn't want, is the most important. Field practice first.

[Sarge47]

This statement bothers me more than anything else, and indicates that you are no where near ready for your journey. Not trying to talk you out of it, and I truly wish you well. If you are not willing to put some field time in for a journey like this you are setting yourself up for failure. Since you will not help yourself, I cannot offer any advice to you (not that it would really matter).
I agree with Crash. You sound like you know all about this, yet you keep asking for advice; then, when you get it, discard it. I haven't quite decided yet if you're a troll or a numpty. organize your list under the 4 essentials,that way you stay focused. I think you think you know it all already so I, like Crash, am done here. :brickwall:

[payne]

Your going to want a tarp on your list (at least, I would want one on mine).
I thought Poncho was the same as a Tarp. It's indeed a Tarp I intend on bringing. (Somehow, the Army's Guide seems to always talk about 'poncho' when it really is a 'tarp'.)


5,000 KM in 20 days? Did I read and calculate this correctly? 250 KM/day?

I think the advice about shorter training sessions prior to this very large endeavor is something you need to think about. Skill development, kit validation, mental fitness, etc.
5000 Km of hitch-hike in 2 weeks, approximatively. Then I go tree planting for 1-2 months, then I do the 20 days of survival.
I thought I was clear. If not, sorry. At least, I know I've said it properly in my Introduction post. =P


Well dried birch tree smokes very little.

Honestly I would swap that frying pan to a kettle of some sort, or to a German style mess kit. http://wiki.partio.net/images/thumb/e/e5/Pakki.jpg/250px-Pakki.jpg
That gives you a small frying pan, kettle(more boiling capacity) coon proof storage and so on and it'll be light too when you take aluminium one. Since you'll be hiking you want to think multi use items to eliminate excess weight. And get a titanium spork!
Taken in note: thanks! =D


You state that you are too bust with your studies which implies that you feel that it is necessary for you to prepare for your chosen field of study. You have been given tools books, software, hardware to do this and instruction time to give you a chance to become proficient in the knowledge and use of those tools. By your implication. stressing your studies as being important, I assume that you do not like the idea of going into a test without having studied and practiced the what you have learned. You wish to be successful in your classes therefore you study avoiding failure. I commend you on your attitude for your studies.

Your attitude toward your "Survival journey" is a contradiction to your studies.
You plan on collecting information, tools and choose to go take your Survival TEST Journey, without the study and practice.
Okay, I must clarify some things I guess. =P
First of all, I'm far from putting effort into my studies: I usually start studying for exams approximatively 24 hours the exam, which is far from sufficient if I base myself on what professors ask us to do (not to mention that I miss a lot of courses, and never do homeworks except for the exam's study-session). All my time is in fact taken by my implication in different committees: I am the 'general coordinator' (big boss) of 2 of them, and I am also an active member of 4 others committees... if you're wondering, that is -a lot-. Rare are the people that even give some time to one committee. So there goes all my time. My week-ends are filled with tasks to do related to those committees (writing minutes, organizing activities, answering the mailing box, managing the multiple projects, etc.).
Secondly, I say I will not have time to practice/use any gear before leaving. It's not exactly true, it was mostly to emphasize, however, on the fact that this whole organization would be done fast.
I will have approximatively 6 days free after the end of my school session to practice some skills. After that, I leave home and will probably not get to buy any new gear on the route. But still, I will have -plenty- of time to get used to it: 2 weeks of hitch-hiking, and 4-8 weeks of tree planting... that gives me a lot of time in the ''soft'' wilderness.
And about the 'field notes', I mostly only note down the things that are very case-per-case or that I would otherwise have had to learn 'by hearth'. For example, how to treat snake bits... that's really not the kind of stuff I'd want to rely on my memory since it fails so bad. =P


Are you going to leave a trip plan with anyone? Do you plan to check in on a regular basis? Have you established any communication plan that says if I don't contact you by X call SAR?
I'm leaving a trip plan to my parents, but once I leave home, I do not intend on contacting anyone for months. I'll contact my father so he can send me my bike once I return from that 'survival trip', but since I do not have any precise date, nor determined length, he won't be waiting for my call at any precise time.
I guess my partner will be the one that will organize the 'rescue' part of the trip since the whole thing happens near his house. I have no fear about it, though, and you shouldn't. Don't think I'm just a retarded foolish young boy that will run naked in the woods hoping to pass 43209543 days without problem. I'm extremely rational, and do not intend on intentionally dying there (yet I am prepared mentally, knowing it's not just a kid's game).
I do not have any plan to offer for the 'in case of need of rescue' for now, but we -will- have one: don't worry about it, seriously.


I agree with Crash. You sound like you know all about this, yet you keep asking for advice; then, when you get it, discard it. I haven't quite decided yet if you're a troll or a numpty. organize your list under the 4 essentials,that way you stay focused. I think you think you know it all already so I, like Crash, am done here. :brickwall:
I haven't discarded any advice... I explained my position on every single advice given on this thread.
For the ''4 essentials'', I simply asked how it could be relevant, yet no one answered, and since I personally consider it to be irrelevant in this case, I will not do so. It's pretty clear which item could be classed in which category. =/
No one told me why I should get a Jetboil instead of just boiling my water with a casserole. Rationally, to me, the Jetboil just looks like extra-weight.
A troll reading through 400 pages of a survival guide just to spoil a fake equipment list would be extremely determined. ;o

In resume: it looks like you are a lot to under-estimate my capacities to organize this trip, and you also seem forget that I am not alone working on this...
I believe my questions were clear in the OP:
''Too huge? Unrealistic? Unfitting? Comment.
If you could give your advice on whether or not you consider the "{Optional?}" marked items as being optional, it'd be great.
And finally, what should the First Aid Kit contain?''

Everything has its time. I'm currently working on the equipment list. Don't think that because I only talk about this aspect of the journey that I am only thinking about this one. ^_^

[Seniorman]

As for the SAK, the "Camper," the "Hiker", the "Hunter," or a lockblade "Hunter," or "Equestrian" will handle just about any needs you might have for a smaller knife.

Condom??? I'd forget that if I were you, unless your partner is a hot little babe who likes to snuggle in the leaves. If it's for carrying water or such, get a couple of one gallon ZipLok bags and reinforce the bottom edges with duct tape. A ZipLok bag will work much, much more efficiently than a condom for water.

As others said, get a small pot with lid to boil your water, and cook some of your food. While you're at it, make certain you have a way to clean your cooking gear after use. Unclean pans and pots and cups, etc., can easily lead to food poisoning ... and that is the last thing you want out in the woods, far from medical help. A small bottle of liquid soap can save you all kinds of misery.

EDIT:
PAYNE - "And finally, what should the First Aid Kit contain?''


Do you have any First Aid training?? If not, you'd be wise to find a Red Cross course where you are going to school and take the course. First Aid is not something you want to try and learn "on the spot" in an emergency situation. If you have a First Aid kit and do not know how to use it, it's practically worthless.

Good luck.

S.M.

[nell67]

I thought Poncho was the same as a Tarp. It's indeed a Tarp I intend on bringing. (Somehow, the Army's Guide seems to always talk about 'poncho' when it really is a 'tarp'.)


5000 Km of hitch-hike in 2 weeks, approximatively. Then I go tree planting for 1-2 months, then I do the 20 days of survival.
I thought I was clear. If not, sorry. At least, I know I've said it properly in my Introduction post. =P


Taken in note: thanks! =D


Okay, I must clarify some things I guess. =P
First of all, I'm far from putting effort into my studies: I usually start studying for exams approximatively 24 hours the exam, which is far from sufficient if I base myself on what professors ask us to do (not to mention that I miss a lot of courses, and never do homeworks except for the exam's study-session). All my time is in fact taken by my implication in different committees: I am the 'general coordinator' (big boss) of 2 of them, and I am also an active member of 4 others committees... if you're wondering, that is -a lot-. Rare are the people that even give some time to one committee. So there goes all my time. My week-ends are filled with tasks to do related to those committees (writing minutes, organizing activities, answering the mailing box, managing the multiple projects, etc.).
Secondly, I say I will not have time to practice/use any gear before leaving. It's not exactly true, it was mostly to emphasize, however, on the fact that this whole organization would be done fast.
I will have approximatively 6 days free after the end of my school session to practice some skills. After that, I leave home and will probably not get to buy any new gear on the route. But still, I will have -plenty- of time to get used to it: 2 weeks of hitch-hiking, and 4-8 weeks of tree planting... that gives me a lot of time in the ''soft'' wilderness.
And about the 'field notes', I mostly only note down the things that are very case-per-case or that I would otherwise have had to learn 'by hearth'. For example, how to treat snake bits... that's really not the kind of stuff I'd want to rely on my memory since it fails so bad. =P


I'm leaving a trip plan to my parents, but once I leave home, I do not intend on contacting anyone for months. I'll contact my father so he can send me my bike once I return from that 'survival trip', but since I do not have any precise date, nor determined length, he won't be waiting for my call at any precise time.
I guess my partner will be the one that will organize the 'rescue' part of the trip since the whole thing happens near his house. I have no fear about it, though, and you shouldn't. Don't think I'm just a retarded foolish young boy that will run naked in the woods hoping to pass 43209543 days without problem. I'm extremely rational, and do not intend on intentionally dying there (yet I am prepared mentally, knowing it's not just a kid's game).
I do not have any plan to offer for the 'in case of need of rescue' for now, but we -will- have one: don't worry about it, seriously.


I haven't discarded any advice... I explained my position on every single advice given on this thread.
For the ''4 essentials'', I simply asked how it could be relevant, yet no one answered, and since I personally consider it to be irrelevant in this case, I will not do so. It's pretty clear which item could be classed in which category. =/
No one told me why I should get a Jetboil instead of just boiling my water with a casserole. Rationally, to me, the Jetboil just looks like extra-weight.
A troll reading through 400 pages of a survival guide just to spoil a fake equipment list would be extremely determined. ;o

In resume: it looks like you are a lot to under-estimate my capacities to organize this trip, and you also seem forget that I am not alone working on this...
I believe my questions were clear in the OP:
''Too huge? Unrealistic? Unfitting? Comment.
If you could give your advice on whether or not you consider the "{Optional?}" marked items as being optional, it'd be great.
And finally, what should the First Aid Kit contain?''

Everything has its time. I'm currently working on the equipment list. Don't think that because I only talk about this aspect of the journey that I am only thinking about this one. ^_^
Since we "shouldn't worry about it" I think no more advice should be given,using the search function on the site will answer some of your questions,if not all.

Your attitude towards most advice already given is pretty poor,you came here asking for advice from people who have "been there,done that" and know that of which they speak.sounds like you are not getting your ego stroked,these guys are not gonna do that for you ....

[gryffynklm]

Payne, No worries then, thanks for the clarification.

[payne]

As for the SAK, the "Camper," the "Hiker", the "Hunter," or a lockblade "Hunter," or "Equestrian" will handle just about any needs you might have for a smaller knife.

Condom??? I'd forget that if I were you, unless your partner is a hot little babe who likes to snuggle in the leaves. If it's for carrying water or such, get a couple of one gallon ZipLok bags and reinforce the bottom edges with duct tape. A ZipLok bag will work much, much more efficiently than a condom for water.

As others said, get a small pot with lid to boil your water, and cook some of your food. While your at it, make certain you have a way to clean your cooking gear after use. Unclean pans and pots and cups, etc., can easily lead to food poisoning ... and that is the last thing you want out in the woods, far from medical help. A small bottle of liquid soap can save you all kinds of misery.

Good luck.

S.M.
Thanks. =)


Since we "shouldn't worry about it" I think no more advice should be given,using the search function on the site will answer some of your questions,if not all.

Your attitude towards most advice already given is pretty poor,you came here asking for advice from people who have "been there,done that" and know that of which they speak.sounds like you are not getting your ego stroked,these guys are not gonna do that for you ....
What about you read properly what I'm writing?
I'm saying I do not want advices on the rescue part since I haven't started preparing it yet. I created this thread to receive inputs on my equipment list.
My attitude toward the advices related to the Original Post are perfectly fine. But yes, I do reject help on the rescue part. And it's really not as if it's hard to plan that part: it's a matter of saying where you'll be, when you should come back, and have a way to call for emergency at any time.
Are you waiting from me to be sorry for asking explanations on some advices? Because I am not: it's perfectly rational.

[Justin Case]

just watch man vs wild,,,, BG will teach you everything you need to know..

(just be sure to take a crew along with you and extra shampoo for the motel room)

[payne]

just watch man vs wild,,,, BG will teach you everything you need to know..

(just be sure to take a crew along with you and extra shampoo for the motel room)
Yup: I intend on cooking fishes right next to my shelter, drink my own pee whenever I can because its acidity kills bacterias and its thus safer than water, and silently move during the night without any light to sneak behind bears without them seeing me.
Good plans are good. =D

[Justin Case]

And this can be your theme song,,,,,, Performed by,,,,,, you guessed it,, The BG's ;)

A3b9gOtQoq4

[BENESSE]

Yup: I intend on cooking fishes right next to my shelter, drink my own pee whenever I can because its acidity kills bacterias and its thus safer than water, and silently move during the night without any light to sneak behind bears without them seeing me.
Good plans are good. =D

Go for it!!!
After a certain point, you've got to go out and do it, your way. At this point you know all you need to know, the rest is discovery.
Now it's "$hit or get off the pot" time. Hope that makes sense in "Canadian."

[Sourdough]

Well payne, I vote that you go for it. Really, just go do what you want to do. Your more likely to get hurt flying or driving to western Canada. You seem like a sensible young man to me. Just speaking of my choice, I would rather see you concentrate on becoming a good "Woodsman" who just enjoys being in the wilderness. I personally think all this "Survival-ism" crap is just a passing novelty, like bungee jumping, or 24 hour dance contests, it is just the current hip thing. In the long run over a lifetime, you will be better served to become a "Woodsman or "Outdoorman" or Wilderness explorer who is comfortable being alone with God in His/Her wilderness.

[payne]

Thanks for all the advices.

Here's the final version of my equipment list:
• Mosquito net
• Snare wire
• Cordage
• Duct tape
• Survival Knife
• Swiss Army Knife
• Casserole
• Stainless water bottle (not double walled)
• Fishing line and hook(s)
• Bear spray
• Flint
• Flashlight + Batteries
• Cotton-ball tinder into a zip-lock bag
• Large garbage bag (for tree stills)
• First Aid Kit
• Tarp
• Small axe
• Backpack
• A canoe waterproof bag (for food storage in the air)
• Minimal food rations
• Trail flags
• Whistle
• Titanium spork
• Wild Edible Plants/Berries Book
• Knife sharpener
• Map + Compass
• Satellite phone
• Unscented antibacterial soap
• Blanket
• Toilet paper roll
• Cloth

If ever I open more threads, it'll most likely be because I'll have questions about "making soap in the wild" or also possibly on "cordage". I also have some questions on the Bow-drill fire, but the thread's already open.
The rest will all be about me practising stuff, so unless I encounter a major block, I shouldn't bother people anymore.

Thank you a lot for all your help guys, even though a lot of misconceptions created some frictions. =P
I can only hope for my parents to buy me a camera so I can bring back some great pictures. ^_^
Don't worry: today's failed attempt at making a bow-drill fire made me realize how unarmed I was (it was really pathetic), and I will practice a lot more than I expected to. I'll chew some school time and try to hang a bit more in the simili-forest behind my house.

[Sarge47]

Well payne, I vote that you go for it. Really, just go do what you want to do. Your more likely to get hurt flying or driving to western Canada. You seem like a sensible young man to me. Just speaking of my choice, I would rather see you concentrate on becoming a good "Woodsman" who just enjoys being in the wilderness. I personally think all this "Survival-ism" crap is just a passing novelty, like bungee jumping, or 24 hour dance contests, it is just the current hip thing. In the long run over a lifetime, you will be better served to become a "Woodsman or "Outdoorman" or Wilderness explorer who is comfortable being alone with God in His/Her wilderness.
I agree with everything you wrote here SD! Here's some wise old sayings that go along with that:

You can't argue with stupidity.

You can't tell a fool anything, but a word to the wise is sufficent.

When you argue with a fool, you have TWO fools arguing.

[Justin Case]

If you can't afford a camera ,, good luck with the Sat Phone.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

We share 6 similar items in our kits. The rest should be replaced with things you need. You don't need an internet search, you need to think. This is your first wilderness test. Can you think for yourself? Try again.

[payne]

If you can't afford a camera ,, good luck with the Sat Phone.
What if I say I will not have to pay for it? ;)

[Justin Case]

What if I say I will not have to pay for it? ;)

I would say,, ask them if they have any cameras,,lol,, BTW Pawn shop or get a cheap disposable..

[Sarge47]

Sourdough, also sent you some Rep for that great post! :nod:

[finallyME]

I prefer a multi-tool to the SAK.

What about both? I carry a SAK multi-tool.

This is the one I have.
http://images.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/sak/images/VN-53924.jpg

Now I wish I had the one with scissors instead of the serrated blade.

[Camp10]

I'd never seen one of them FM! I'll have to find one and give it a try!

[Alaskan Survivalist]

You lack the most important thing to accomplish this task, that is a reason to drive you to do it. It's a good thing you made a list otherwise you'd have no way to wipe your a$$. Hint, Hint.

[payne]

You lack the most important thing to accomplish this task, that is a reason to drive you to do it. It's a good thing you made a list otherwise you'd have no way to wipe your a$$. Hint, Hint.
I had planned on bringing some toilet paper, but just forgot to write it down.
I would've bring it anyways. =P
Still, thanks. ;)

(Or I completely misunderstood your post. XD)

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I had planned on bringing some toilet paper, but just forgot to write it down.
I would've bring it anyways. =P
Still, thanks. ;)

(Or I completely misunderstood your post. XD)

You understood fine. Take it a little further and put more focus on what you use everyday. Like clothing.

[Beans]

I just seen this sign yesterday Author unkown

"If I agreed with you then both of us would be wrong"

[Justin Case]

i just seen this sign yesterday author unkown

"if i agreed with you then both of us would be wrong"

lol,, love it ! :)

[gordy]

No 22 in the survival kit, what's the story.

[RCKCRWLER]

Have you recently watched "Into the Wild"? OK all joking aside if you are still around I would recommend you pick up The Boy Scouts Of America Handbook or something comparable in Canada. Good idea to hang out in your backwoods before you go. Best thing I thought you said yet...

[SARKY]

I just don't see this going well for you. It is not just about planning but also testing (your gear and skills). So just what is your skill level and that of your buddy?
What are you going to do for shelter? Why a pan and not a pot? It is better to have all the supplies you might need and not use them rather than not have them and need them.

[bobzilla]

You are a lot younger than I am,advise is great but be your own man and go for it,learn from your mistakes and your success and modify your strategy,it's better to go for it now than end up being an old "expert" on this forum.If it's in your heart,go,learn,and bring your information back to us.Don't cancel your dreams,regardless.

Good Luck,Bob

[garethw]

hi there
I'd add a couple of other things that I use every time out...
A small folding saw: Bahco or Opinel
A light sleeping bag rather than a blanket.
A bivvy bag and camp mat if you are planning on sleeping in the forest under your tarp.
I'd carry a Leatherman too.
I always carry at least 2 litres of water one of which is a canteen and quart set, light and useful as it gives you a cup for boiling and dosn't take up any more room than a water bottle on its own.
Nearly forgot a Swedish Army Firesteel...
Bonne chance
Cordialement
Gareth

[finallyME]

No 22 in the survival kit, what's the story.

A 22 is not necessary for a survival kit. It is nice to have, but not necessary.

[Beans]

My Suggestion is to "layer" your equipment.

"Stuff" in your back pack.
"Stuff" in a pouch on your belt
"Stuff" in your pockets.

Always use whats in your back pack first.
If you lose your backpack, you will have enought in your belt pouch to surivive.
If you lose you belt pouch you will have enought in you pockets to surivive.

If you do use some "Stuff" from your belt pouch or pockets replenish from your back pack asap.

[BENESSE]

My Suggestion is to "layer" your equipment.

"Stuff" in your back pack.
"Stuff" in a pouch on your belt
"Stuff" in your pockets.

Always use whats in your back pack first.
If you lose your backpack, you will have enought in your belt pouch to surivive.
If you lose you belt pouch you will have enought in you pockets to surivive.

If you do use some "Stuff" from your belt pouch or pockets replenish from your back pack asap.

Excellent advice!!!!
I do a version of that when I normally travel. Don't always feel like dressing in cargo pants, vests and shirts with pockets but it's worth it, on the off chance I'm left without my carry on, pocket book, etc.

[Highhawk1948]

Sourdough, you are a wise man.




Ride, Shoot Straight and Speak the Truth. T. Roosevelt

[samfranklin]

What's your view?
Today I changed my overloaded survival kit, into a smaller more compact, what I think is more concise survival kit. (tin size like http://www.survivalaids.com/order1.php?pg=715). What do you think to smaller/bigger tins what's is better/worse? Why?
Sam

[Rick]

I think you are better off having that than nothing. But I also think you need to build a kit tailored to your needs. I may not choose to gather fish with line and hook or I may not want my water chemically treated. If you build your own kit then you can pick and choose the things you want to have and generally have better quality materials. I'll leave that last comment as a general rule since there are kits on the market that are pretty well made.

[samfranklin]

I totally agree, but that link was just an example of the size of tin I'm talking about!
Sam

[TheWind777]

Here are some of the things I chose when assembling my own Survival Kit.

I'm sure many of these have been talked about many times (Swedish Firesteel); but it's my decision on which is the best to buy out of all that's out there.

Most, if not all, of these things can be gotten from Amazon.com.

First is the box to put everything in. I chose metal so I can use it to cook with. A SIGG Maxi Aluminum Box with safety clasps.

For the Survival Kit knife I chose a Ka-Bar BK11. Paracord with the guts ripped out can be used to wrap the handle (has holes in the handle that are paracord-sized). The overall size is perfect for a survival kit, it's big enough to use for small chopping jobs, yet small enough to pack into a kit.

Tri-Seps by Gatco for sharpening knifes, pins, fish hooks. It has three sides with three different roundnesses for sharpening serrated knives.

Frontier Emergeny Water Filtering Straw. Small and compact. Filters 30 gallons of water.

Leatherman Squirt PS4 Multi-tool. Really tiny, yet rugged and has scissors, wire cutters, pliers, many other tools.

SE 11-function Credit Card Tool. Fits in a wallet, has eleven tools (knife, screwdriver, can opener, bottle opener, butterfly screw wrench, saw blade, ruler, 6 wrench sizes, compass if you fill Anxiliary indicator with water and float magnetized pin (dubious use).

Tool Logic Survival Card I. The compass works fine if you remove all metal tools. The little serrated knife is very useful, firestarter, tweezers, toothpick, magnifying glass. Can be quickly thrown into the wallet and carried at all times.

You should also include the Tool Logic T1BCC Series Business Card Ultra-slim Tool Card with 12 Features. It's small, thin and has things such as a needle and writing pen.

Storm All-Weather Safety Whistle. Bright-orange so you can't lose it, bigger than most safety whistles but even blows underwater (strange skill). Loudest whistle in the world. You must cover your own ears or you probably will lose some hearing.

The Tick Key. Easy way to remove ticks. You slide the groove under the tick and pull him off without his head coming off.

Swiss+Tech Micro-Max 19-in-1 tool. Has good screwdriver set, even has hex hole that can work with any magnetic tip so you can bring just the hex sizes or star wrench sizes you might need (good for cross-country bicycling).

StarFlash Signal Mirror.

Swedish Firesteel Magnesium Starter. Get the 10,000 use one. Best firestarter. Just bring pack of drier lint with you as tinder.

Buy pack of 100 4 mil ziplock bags of size 2" x 2" and 2" x 3". They are useful for many reasons. The 2" x 2' size is perfect for packing one kleenex. Pack a few for emergency toilet paper use. Also, you can pack 12 waterproof matches into one if you clip about 3/16" off the end of the match. Stuff them in side-by-side and slip them in the side of the kit. Five "Tinder Quik" Fire-starter Tabs fit in a 2" x 2", too. Or stuff three cotton balls dipped in vaseline into one.

17% Streetwise Pepper Spray for bear, person (and dog repellent if you're cross-country bicycling). Small yet powerful.

'Real' 550 Paracord. "Brigade Quartermasters" carries good-quality paracord. I got orange so things can be seen easily when you're camping. (Model Number RAP5016 )

Pack of "Nature's Way Alive - Whole Food Energizer", 1.4 ounces. I chose the Apple-Cinnamon flavor. Has 3333% of Vitamin B12, 2500% of Vitamin B-6, 120 Calories. Good power drink to keep you going in an emergency.

Pack of "Amazing Meal, "Chocolate Infusion". 32.6 Grams. Greens, protein & Vegetables. 110 Calories. Blends superfoods adn protein for energy.

Rite-in-the-Rain All-Weather Memo Book with Waterproof pages. No. 374-M.

SOL Bivy. You get the advantage of metalized polyesther at the same time as it being a bivy. Very small and light.

Pack two NITEiZE "Figure-9" 50-pound Carabiners (definitely not for climbing) for quick taking-up-of-slack on paracord. Can be used to hang a tarp guy rope, etc. Or, one 'true' carabiner which can take a load (get in the mountaineering dept. of REI).

Fresnel "Card Magnifier" lens, 3.5" x 2 1/4" is another one that takes up no room and slides along the edges of the kit.

Stainless Steel Commando Wire Saw Model 8312. Don't pull too hard, of course, these are fragile. There's a bigger version that is really tough, but I tend to just break limbs by levering them between two close trees to snap them, or across my knee; so haven't found the need for a saw too much. Good to have, though, and packs small.

Waxed thread. You can get it at a craft store like Michaels. It is super-strong and works like iron (imagine thick dental floss). Can be easily used to make trapping nooses.

Roll of wire; I got mine at the local dollar store.

Silva "Guide' Compact Sighting Compass Model 426. Packs small, durable, works well.

Hemostat clamp.

Forehead thermometer. Use your signalling mirror to read the temperature. Walgreens has it.

Butane Torch lighter with blue flame. You should have many ways of starting a fire.

3M Steri Strip Skin Closures 1/4" x 3" - 10 Packages of 3 for when you cut yourself deep. Act as sutures.

Well, those are a few of the choice picks. Hope that helps.

[hunter63]

Any pic's?
Sound like a pretty good kit, but pic's give an idea as to size and such.

[Aurelius95]

Agree with Hunter. Good info/descriptions, but pics make me happy.

Do you think you'd need more toilet paper than 1 Kleenex? I know I would...

[Sarge47]

I don't know about other folks, but I don't cook in anything made out of aluminum. :cool2:

[Rick]

Nice write up. Now test out your kit and see if they were in fact all the right choices.

Not sure what you mean by "real" 550 cord. It's either MIL-C-5040 Type III or Type III Commercial or some knock off version. The Commercial Type III will do anything that MIL-C-5040 will at about half the price.

Just so you understand, Vitamin B6 and B12 are both water soluble vitamins. It doesn't matter if your product has a trillion times the recommended dose ALL the extra is excreted mostly through urine in B6 or through bile in B12. The most you can have is 100% of what your body requires and the rest is excreted. B12 can be stored in the liver for a long time so the odds of you having a B12 deficiency is pretty slim.

[Sarge47]

I use the Silva Ranger compass as it's a lot more durable than many others. I bought my parachute cord from "Cheaper Than Dirt," & for a flint/steel method I use Strike force. While I do have both a "Fox 40" whistle & a Starflash, I thought both needed improvement so I upgraded. The Whistle I like is a flat, pealess whistle & you can get a better (IMO) mirror here:

http://www.amazon.com/Rothco-8315-SIGNAL-MIRRORS/dp/B002P93Z92/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1293947429&sr=8-3 :thumbup1:

[TheWind777]

I've used the kit, in various conditions of completion, for many months.

I find that I take out parts of it and put them into a smaller pouch with a zipper that I put on my beltloop with a carabiner.

...

Yes, B vitamins pee out; but I was just giving a couple examples of what the kind of nutrition levels are in it. It is fully-packed with everyting you'd need in an emergency condition.

I don't know how to add photos in this Forum yet. I have a full PDF of the entire kit I could attach if it allows large file attachments.

Ahah. So there's a 'attach picture', 'attach link' and 'attach video'. Will try those next time. I figure that 'attach link' means something is already on the interent, rather than attaching a PDF.

So, I just opened up a new angelfire site and uploaded the PDF. Lets try a link...
****************************************

It's 4.7 MB in size and holds all the information about how to use each tool. Some of the newer additions aren't in there, like the Ka-Bar knife.

[TheWind777]

Well, success breeds rip-offs. There seem to currently be a ton of really cheap quality cord being passed-off as 550 paracord that's circling the internet. Some doesn't even have the interior 7 strands.

Many say that Brigade Quartermasters is a reliable place to buy it.

[SARKY]

First is the box to put everything in. I chose metal so I can use it to cook with. A SIGG Maxi Aluminum Box with safety clasps.

<The fact that it is aluminum throws up a red flag for cooking. Is it coated in any way? Why not invest in a decent ti. cook kit?>

For the Survival Kit knife I chose a Ka-Bar BK11. Paracord with the guts ripped out can be used to wrap the handle (has holes in the handle that are paracord-sized). The overall size is perfect for a survival kit, it's big enough to use for small chopping jobs, yet small enough to pack into a kit.

<Knives are like girlfriends(to us guys), you fall in and out of love with them and everyone has their own tastes as what is the perfect knife for them.>

Tri-Seps by Gatco for sharpening knifes, pins, fish hooks. It has three sides with three different roundnesses for sharpening serrated knives.

< I prefer non serrated knives for survival work and so a simple stone can be used to touch up the edge.>

Frontier Emergeny Water Filtering Straw. Small and compact. Filters 30 gallons of water.

<So you are good for 30 days or 2 of you for 15 or 3 of you for 10. What about after that? You said in an earlier post that you had spent months on the road, you will need a better resource for filtering water.>

Leatherman Squirt PS4 Multi-tool. Really tiny, yet rugged and has scissors, wire cutters, pliers, many other tools.

<I'll again defer to the girlfriend analogy.>

SE 11-function Credit Card Tool. Fits in a wallet, has eleven tools (knife, screwdriver, can opener, bottle opener, butterfly screw wrench, saw blade, ruler, 6 wrench sizes, compass if you fill Anxiliary indicator with water and float magnetized pin (dubious use).

<Wouldn't a SAK fill the same billet? Have you actually used it under adverse conditions?>

Tool Logic Survival Card I. The compass works fine if you remove all metal tools. The little serrated knife is very useful, firestarter, tweezers, toothpick, magnifying glass. Can be quickly thrown into the wallet and carried at all times.

<Again, I can carry my SAK on my hip at all times. I prefer a dedicated compass.>

You should also include the Tool Logic T1BCC Series Business Card Ultra-slim Tool Card with 12 Features. It's small, thin and has things such as a needle and writing pen.

Storm All-Weather Safety Whistle. Bright-orange so you can't lose it, bigger than most safety whistles but even blows underwater (strange skill). Loudest whistle in the world. You must cover your own ears or you probably will lose some hearing.

The Tick Key. Easy way to remove ticks. You slide the groove under the tick and pull him off without his head coming off.

<I really like the tick key but would not be without a pair of tweezers as well.>

Swiss+Tech Micro-Max 19-in-1 tool. Has good screwdriver set, even has hex hole that can work with any magnetic tip so you can bring just the hex sizes or star wrench sizes you might need (good for cross-country bicycling).

<I love gizmos and gadgets as much as the next guy but I think you've gone over board with them.>

StarFlash Signal Mirror.

<Good item but a good compass with mirror (Silva, Ranger) does double duty.>

Swedish Firesteel Magnesium Starter. Get the 10,000 use one. Best firestarter. Just bring pack of drier lint with you as tinder.

<Have one and like it but prefer the BlastMatch.>

Buy pack of 100 4 mil ziplock bags of size 2" x 2" and 2" x 3". They are useful for many reasons. The 2" x 2' size is perfect for packing one kleenex. Pack a few for emergency toilet paper use. Also, you can pack 12 waterproof matches into one if you clip about 3/16" off the end of the match. Stuff them in side-by-side and slip them in the side of the kit. Five "Tinder Quik" Fire-starter Tabs fit in a 2" x 2", too. Or stuff three cotton balls dipped in vaseline into one.

17% Streetwise Pepper Spray for bear, person (and dog repellent if you're cross-country bicycling). Small yet powerful.

'Real' 550 Paracord. "Brigade Quartermasters" carries good-quality paracord. I got orange so things can be seen easily when you're camping. (Model Number RAP5016 )

Pack of "Nature's Way Alive - Whole Food Energizer", 1.4 ounces. I chose the Apple-Cinnamon flavor. Has 3333% of Vitamin B12, 2500% of Vitamin B-6, 120 Calories. Good power drink to keep you going in an emergency.

Pack of "Amazing Meal, "Chocolate Infusion". 32.6 Grams. Greens, protein & Vegetables. 110 Calories. Blends superfoods adn protein for energy.

Rite-in-the-Rain All-Weather Memo Book with Waterproof pages. No. 374-M.

SOL Bivy. You get the advantage of metalized polyesther at the same time as it being a bivy. Very small and light.

<Another item I really like. I've got the 2 person size which they don't make anymore.>

Pack two NITEiZE "Figure-9" 50-pound Carabiners (definitely not for climbing) for quick taking-up-of-slack on paracord. Can be used to hang a tarp guy rope, etc. Or, one 'true' carabiner which can take a load (get in the mountaineering dept. of REI).

Fresnel "Card Magnifier" lens, 3.5" x 2 1/4" is another one that takes up no room and slides along the edges of the kit.

<If you can't start a fire with a firesteel, how do you expect to start one with a magnifier lens?>

Stainless Steel Commando Wire Saw Model 8312. Don't pull too hard, of course, these are fragile. There's a bigger version that is really tough, but I tend to just break limbs by levering them between two close trees to snap them, or across my knee; so haven't found the need for a saw too much. Good to have, though, and packs small.

<Again, the saw in the SAK works just fine for what you need.>

Waxed thread. You can get it at a craft store like Michaels. It is super-strong and works like iron (imagine thick dental floss). Can be easily used to make trapping nooses.

<I prefer 65 or 80 lb test SpyderWire and I can use it in building a shelter.>

Roll of wire; I got mine at the local dollar store.

<What kind if wire? I carry .020 stainless safety wire in my kit.>

Silva "Guide' Compact Sighting Compass Model 426. Packs small, durable, works well.

Hemostat clamp.

Forehead thermometer. Use your signalling mirror to read the temperature. Walgreens has it.

Butane Torch lighter with blue flame. You should have many ways of starting a fire.

3M Steri Strip Skin Closures 1/4" x 3" - 10 Packages of 3 for when you cut yourself deep. Act as sutures.

Well, those are a few of the choice picks. Hope that helps.<

<What do you carry water in?>
<Run it through the mill a time or two, then let us know where it shined and where it failed. Just remember this, "Shiney, fancy crap is sitll crap">

[Canadian-guerilla]

first i heard of the Tick Key
now i gotta see if i can make my own

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/tick%20key.jpg

[Sarge47]

Cheaper Than Dirt sells the real deal & have been doing so for many years.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.net/SearchResults.aspx?site=All+Products&num=15&q=parachute+cord&pagenumber=1

I bought the 1000' spool myself. :shifty:

[Rick]

(Pssst. That's Commercial Type III cord. But don't tell anyone.)

[Rick]

Well, success breeds rip-offs. There seem to currently be a ton of really cheap quality cord being passed-off as 550 paracord that's circling the internet. Some doesn't even have the interior 7 strands.

There is probably some truth to that statement. When you are looking for paracord if you can pick up 1000 feet for $50 (or about that) it's Commercial Type III. MIL-C-5040 will cost you about $80 or so per 1000 feet. You can also pick up on the description in many cases. It's easy to gloss over the descriptions so really read it. Some retailers will try to pass off Commercial as MIL-C-5040 and you'll never know the difference when you have it in hand. But the price is a sure give away.

[TheWind777]

As for toilet paper...

When I pack a survival kit it's usually particular to things.

The things it is particular to in my case are extremely long term cross-country bicycling and the desert.

When you're crossing the country by bicycle in all seasons and for many months-at-a-time every item you bring is survival gear, not just what is in the one box. The box contains emergency stuff, but other more immedite-need stuff also finds its way there.

Toilet paper, I just use a roll of it. But, disasters happen always in a cross-country situation. I got flooded out once, I had a flash flood once, I had what was probably a tornado bouncing over me once, I had storms that would tear the tent flat, sometimes water would find its way into tent and things got wet.

So, those are the times that you need whatever is in the box.

I had a huge box on the first bike trip. It was called a 'Rec-Pac' by Anzen (now defunct). It was a hard canoing pack with a rubber seal. It saved our a** many times, and really saved our lives a couple times. I would have been dead once if I didnt' have all that dry gear in the Rec-Pac.

So, Survival gear extends outwards from the little box and into the little box. Sometimes need blends and a thing that used to be just in the survival kit moves to a more accessible area.

Toilet paper is always the one you need at all times. Sometimes it was used to absorb thunderstorm water as it leaked under the tent floor, sometimes it would absorb my sweat which would build up as condensation under my sleeping bag. On the second trip I had gotten a plastic container which exactly fit a whole roll (had to strip a few feet off the outside, but basically a whole roll).

So, toilet paper isn't generally much in my survival kit. It's too much a necessity. I don't have the luxury of taking room in my survival kit for it much. I think it to be quite an extravagance to put two tissue pieces in two plastic bags in there. To me, that's maybe too much.

It's like candy. I put one fireball in there. But, usually that gets supplanted by more important things like water purification tablets (first trip I just used drops of bleach. Second trip I used a couple drops of regular iodine from a regular iodine bottle.)

Most of the things that are taken for granted now-a-days (that you get a bottle of water purification tablets) I just used simple things and they worked just fine.

I had a regular four-way screwdriver, a hand drill with a 1/8" drill bit (which I used to drill through copper pipe one time to create a mirror mount for the bike), a broken hacksaw blade, etc. There were no prepared tools back then. I just improvised. When the Rec-Pac lid busted in Tennessee I had to fashion a new one out of sheet steel and angle aluminum which I cut with the broken hacksaw blade and drilled with the hand drill and 1/8" bit hole-by-hole until I was done. Glued on the cut edges with a gray epoxy weld, glued on the old rubber seal with 'Scotch Super Strength Adhesive'. Had to stop in a store in a town to borrow a pop-rivet gun to transfer the two snap hasps to the new lid.

So, you use what you have, then you improvise the rest.

I put few (what I'd term) luxuries in my true 'Survival Kit'. I basically put the things I hope I will never have to use in the survival kit. I have other bags for the more used items. If I find I am using something from the emergency kit too much, it gets shifted to a more easily reached place.

[TheWind777]

Well, The Tick Key has a thing which would be very hard to duplicate.

First, it's so cheap why would you want to try and make your own; but second, the area where the tick's head is is tapered downwards so it isn't just flat. Then it tapers into a little specially-shaped area and is just the right amount of sharpness so it funnels on either side of the tick's head without shearing it off. The slight bend downwards cradles the head as you pull and the not-quite-perfectly sharp edge pulls the mouth parts out instead of just slicing off the head.

That's pretty particular and I'd say I, who is very good at the use of a Dremel tool, would have a hard time replicating those angles.

I generally buy what I couldn't possibly make. They did a wonderful job designing this tick tool; and it's amazingly cheap.

[Rick]

How did you carry a Rec-Pac on your bike? Those things are huge.

[TheWind777]

As for water... that completely depends on where I am.

When I went cross-country I would use those collapsible plastic 5-gallon containers. That way you can squeeze out the air and only fill it part of the way, or you can fill the whole block up. However, when it got above about 90 degrees the water was too tepid. In that case I would use a Urethane filled thermos which would keep its cold for a long time even in direct baking sunlight. Then I would try and fill it from drinking fountains in supermarkets when we went through the small towns.

When I have more luxury, meaning that I'm just living at home and I'm going out on the weekend to hike and camp in the Sonoran Desert or the Superstition Mountains (which is every weekend) I freeze liter bottles three-quarters-of-the-way in the freezer, then fill them up to the top.

I have a slip-over cover which is insulated which keeps the frozen part frozen until the next morning even when the sun is a baking 110 degrees.

When I go riding on hot days with my bike I freeze water half full on the bike bottles, which I slide into the bike's holder. Then I put another bottle of water that's 3/4 frozen into a insulated holder in the Bike Bin (a hard bike pannier we use when we go for short bike rides) with cloth packed around it (usually a jacket because the Desert goes cold quite quickly after the sun goes down, particuarly after about September).

[TheWind777]

I designed a thing I called "The Rec-Pac Holder". I had made a thin platform which had four oval holes cut out of it to keep the weight down. Then I built-up three sides with 3/4" wood and screwed and countersunk which were exactly the width of the Rec-Pac. I then put the same thickness wood on the RecPac so a rounded edge fit into a round edge on the holder. I used the same snaps the Rec-Pac used to close the lid to snap it in three places on the holder.

To adhere the platform to the bike's rack I just used small U-bolts which were then adhered with PC-7 (a very rugged aluminum-filled-epoxy).

The only frail part turned out to be the lid. The original lid for the Rec-Pac was a different kind of brittle plastic which shattered easily. It had already cracked just weeks out on the trip. In Tennessee we were heading on to see a Hog Slaughter and so I was in a hurry. I forgot to snap the three snaps (only time I ever did that) and as I headed up the hill towards the slaughter the Rec-Pac slid off and crashed to the ground with the charging wire I had built in to it dragging it behind.

The cover was shattered completely and there was then nothing to keep everything inside. I fashioned a bunji cord solution temporarily, then purchased the needed parts as we went through the next towns. I looked pretty silly riding with a six-foot length of angle aluminum sticking out of the back.

The Rec-Pac gave a very strong platform on which I could strap anything I wanted. I would be able to strap a five gallon collapsible water container on top with Bunji cords, along with a pressure cooker filled with beans to soak all day so it would be ready for us at night.

I once figured up and me, the gear, the food, the water and the bike would sometimes weigh a total of 450 pounds. Ouch.

[TheWind777]

After finishing the Rec-Pac holder, I painted it with Epoxy Paint which made it perfectly waterproof. It easily went the 5000 miles without a hitch. One time in Texas, around Woodville, I leaned the bike on a pole on the side of the road. I was shocked when the bike kept going. The pole was really made out of cheap plastic. The bike started sliding down a 45 degree embankment. I grabbed the back tire as it slid but couldnt' stop it. It fell over the edge of a wash, falling a full ten feet upside-down.

It lie there playing music because the radio had turned on.

The Rec-Pac holder was fine.

[Rick]

Man, you must have been running Armadillos clinchers or something similar. My wife and I road back when we were kids. We did several centuries but always had a gear truck to toss stuff into.

[TheWind777]

About a year ago I saw an advertisement for an orange Rec-Pac on-line. Talked with the lady and she said she had had a vintage 1980 Rec-Pac in brand-new condition. It had never been used and had been just stored away in its box since then.

I probably wouldn't have bought it anyways, but i thought that was amazing that there was a new Rec-Pac still out there.

It was the one which had the shaped curve on the top for a spare scuba tank. The plan with those was you put your gear into the Rec-Pac, you then tethered it to the bottom with a weight and you could scuba dive around it. That's how waterproof a Rec-Pac was.

The vinyl roll-bags for kayaking are no competion relative to a Rec-Pac. Those leak unless you have them rolled nearly half-way down the bag.

[Sarge47]

http://www.thewaterproofstore.com/backpacks.html :nod:

[Winter]

Ticks

Always touched 'em with a hot needlee/tweezers. They let go.

The rest of your kit? Looks as good as any, area specific. Looking forward to the field tests.

[TheWind777]

Hmmm... Hey, Sarge, why did you remove the link to my angelfire site?

It was just a PDF containing hundreds of details about building my Survival Kit. It contains instruction manuals for each of those items, instructions, and reviews.

It's my own website, not someone else's, and I wrote everything so can't be copyright infringement that I know of (although there are quotes from reviewers, I suppose).

[TheWind777]

Yeah, on the second bike trip we crossed the "Bikecentennial Route". They brought a big group of people who stood in awe as I cut with a regular knife. Most of them were carrying almost nothing. They had a truck which carried the bulk of it. They had to carry at least one of the kitchen supplies. They had one pair of shorts, a tiny GoreTex jacket and that was about it.

They had basically shipped everything else home after about the first week. They were expected to go 60 - 100 miles-per-day so they had no energy to actually have adventures at all afterwards. I remember us about to go to a Mountain Oyster dinner that was put on with Pot Luck. I went over to tell the guys about it as they came into their camp, and one just turned to me with this look of utter exhaustion and said, "Are you KIDDING ME?"

I don't understand people who would just kill themselves without having any kind of adventure at all. I asked one of the kids what the best thing was on their trip and they said "Ma's Boarding House", which was the boring place where we were staying for the night. We exchanged a tale of a rattler which had been touching Christine's toe the night before. She had let out a scream and I was off and running before the sound stopped. She had never screamed before. I kept thinking as I ran, "What could it be? Bear? People?" I came up over the bluff, threw my arms out to the sides and roared like a gorilla. Birds flew up at an angle. I said, perplexed and exasperated, "Birds???"

She goes, "No, Rattlesnake."

I say, "Where?"

She says, "Over there by that pronghorn skeleton."

She was about ten feet from the pronghorn skeleton, and there was no snake in sight.

"Well how did you get where you are now?"

"I don't know," she says.

"Well, where's the rattler?"

"I don't know," she says.

She had come over the edge of the bluff, had looked down and a rattler was touching her toe. She didn't have a clue how she had either gotten ten feet away from it, why she didn't get bit, or where it went.

The group would merely go from one known spot to another. Each day was already planned out for them and so all they could do is kill themselves with competition, making fun of those who came in last.

[TheWind777]

Hmmm... I've lost the knowledge of how you subscribe to a forum.

Where's that hiding?

[TheWind777]

By the way, if readers don't know what a 'Anzen Rec-Pac' is, it was a hard canoing pack with a rubber seal. It was absolutely waterproof and would stay absolutely waterproof even after years of use.

It was made out of solid plastic, so was heavy and hard against your body; but it was built like a brick-you-know-what. The only weak part was the lid, which was made from a very brittle plastic.

They were used by outfitters for years because they were so rugged. If you wanted to rent a canoe, you could also rent a Rec-Pac to go along with it. I swear that some outfitters are still using the 1980 Rec-Pacs even though Anzen went out of business decades ago.

http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/m/m3_V5JeTypAHUpe3YlFvHEw/140.jpg

[TheWind777]

And for those who never heard of the Bikecentennial Route, it's now called the TransAmerica Trail. It passes 4,250 miles.

We crossed it on our second bike trip as we passed through the Red Desert in Wyoming just before Yellowstone around Rawlins (Rawlings?).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikecentennial

The kids doing it told us they had paid $7000 to the company, who drove along with them with all the food. The cost included each place they stayed each night, and food. They absolutely had to stay up with the rest of the people and they knew exactly what place they had come from and what place they would be going to the next night.

The guide, when he got to talk to us alone, said, "Help!"

Apparently the kids were forcing him to eat a diet of hamburgers bought at junk food places as they went and he said he never had enough energy because of it.

Meat just doesn't sustain you. It burns like fast logs on the fire and then is gone.

[TheWind777]

But, I'm getting off-topic. The topic is Survival Kits...

[Rick]

Yes, the link was removed and you were PM'd. You can not post a link to any site you own. That goes for Youtube and other video sites if there is a link to your site in the vid. You can post it in your signature, however. That's just one of the ways we keep spam down.

[Sarge47]

Hmmm... Hey, Sarge, why did you remove the link to my angelfire site?

It was just a PDF containing hundreds of details about building my Survival Kit. It contains instruction manuals for each of those items, instructions, and reviews.

It's my own website, not someone else's, and I wrote everything so can't be copyright infringement that I know of (although there are quotes from reviewers, I suppose).Hey Windy, I pm'd you about it. No personal linlks in the body of your post, remember? It's okay to have it in your signature, however. Them's the rules. :cool2:

[TheWind777]

Oops... guess I oughta go read the Forum rules first, huh?

;)

[TheWind777]

Well, you can imagine the contents, then... Just imagine in your mind all the rest of the stuff. Got it firm in your head now?

Good.

[TheWind777]

I saw a post about getting water out of a cactus.

Actually, there is no water in a cactus. If you cut a barrel cactus off (not an easy job because it has fishhook spines which bite into your hand) it has a green pulp inside. If you mush up that pulp, you get no water. You get this squishy pulp. If you ate that pulp it would give you diarrhea. You could cut some out and put it under a solar still, but you'd only get a couple cups of water a day and you need a gallon of water an hour when it's above 100 degrees.

So, you would die way before you got enough water out of a cactus.

On my first bike trip, just before I settled down in Tucson, I did it once just to see. It took about half-an-hour to cut the top off (even with a knife with a ten-inch blade). Then I sliced back-and-forth-back-and-forth.

It's more like the consistency of watermelon rind than water.

[Ratman]

Hi there Rubybeetle, thanx for the link. :) While reading through the threads here, I got the impression that most folks in here DO NOT have a survival kit already. Tell me I'm wrong peeps.:confused: We ALL need at least ONE Survival Kit, if we are going to be spending much time in here friends...I have a few...all hand picked components and hand packed by little ol' me. :)

Who else in here has a SK already?:)
lb[/U]

LarryB, I have been working on a small survival kit for probably a year. I have read a variety of survival books and liked Cody Lundin's 98 Degrees The Art of Keeping Your *** Alive So I took his list and started putting one together. I have nearly all the 25 items he listed in mine, along with some items I bought before. So I have one that I put in a medium sized fanny pack so if I do leave home and go out into the wilderness I can probably stay alive for several days either until I get myself out or someone finds me if I should get lost. I certainly hope so anyway.

[Rick]

LarryB hasn't been on in a while. That post was from 2007. In any case, having a kit is definitely a good thing and following a list from a well known person is a logical place to start. But don't forget to take the kit out and use it. Make certain you know how to use all of the components and make sure each one is right for you. If something doesn't work for you then replace it. The kit needs to be personalized to your skills to make the most of it.

[southard]

Remember a survival kit doesnt have to be huge. Mine starts with just what I have in my pockets EDC (everydaycarry). 2 knives 1 locking 1 folding, 1 mini flashlight, a zippo (always topped off), matches, button compass, cell phone with maps stored on a micro sd card, Leatherman blast on my hip with flashloight in holster.
I then have a small kit that I can put on my belt with:
another flashlight
magnesium striker
minor sirst aid kit
needles and thread
glowsticks
matches and tender
water purification tabs
tea bags and electrlyte drink mixes
top ramen seasoning
compass
whistle
magnifying glass
space blanket
mini bic lighter wrapped in gorilla tape
pencil wrapped in tape
paper
emergency candle
micro flashlight
spare AAA batteries
spare boot strings
sharpening stone
And I wont get into my BOB and larger pack here

[Beans]

AS I have stated before. You need to layer your surivial kit.

Back pack
belt/fanny pack
In your pocket kit.

The items in your pockets need to be secure enough that you would need to lose your pants before you lose any items in them.
Use your items from your back pack first, then your belt/fanny pack and hope you don't have to use the items in your pants pockets

[southard]

I agree layering is the way to go, in my case driving truck cross country I never know what might happen. A water landing, rock slide, avalanche, fire (wild or auto) flash flood, or even tornadoe like what happened in Joplin or down south this last year. My pockets may end up all I have. Although I keep my "belt pack" by my driver seat ready to grab and leap. Right now I am planning and working on a kit for the mutt to carry in a harness pack.

[southard]

On top of the edc, belt pack, I also have a hydration pack by ful with loads of storage that is used. Then my big pack which everything else could be incorporated relatively quick.

[Warheit]

Flexibility and adaptability are huge factors when coming up with survival kits. My kits will change depending on the environment I am going to be in, why I am there and how long I am going to be there. You should always have enough, but never take more than you need in any circumstance. Believe me, having more can be an extreme burden and far more harmful than helpful in many scenarios.

The ability to create shelter, provide protection and aid in the efforts to hunt/sustain for myself are things I will consider with every item.

One thing I think a lot of people fail to realize is the importance of having a "kit" to survive at all times.

Even if I'm going on a three to four day camping escapade, I am never leaving my site unless I have the items necessary to survive if it magically disappeared after an hour hike.

[tj922]

I went to my local Barnes & Nobel, and picked up a field guide with over 200 color picture wild edible plants, (A Field Guide to Edible Wild Plants: Eastern and Central North America Lee Allen Peterson, Roger Tory Peterson in Books). It seems to be pretty comprehensive. There is also a lot of good information on this forum. The thing I like about this field manual is it is small enough to carryin your pack, and it has preparation instructions as well.

[Rick]

There are a lot of good books on wilderness edibles. A lot of good books on wilderness et. al. They all serve as a good guide and a good starting place. As Sourdough says, boots in the field are required to put the knowledge into action. If you have the slightest doubt on a wild edible, however, take some pictures and talk it out with someone that will know what it is.

[wildman]

ello m8, that sure is some kit-i'm new to this site and this is my first post so i hope its not a pointless one. i think that 2 mouse traps should be added. tied off, they can be used as snares for small game. plus can be used as triggers for death traps for large game.

[SARKY]

Layering not only insures that you have a kit of some size with you, it also insures redundancy as each larger kit should have most of the items of the previous (smaller) kit along with different or upgraded items.

[flywheel]

One of my favorites in my Survival kit is a small and verry usefull net. You can get this from a onion net or orange net.
I have a bigger one to carry soccer balls. Folded, it is not larger than a fingertip!!

- Carry plants
- Seafood
- Filled with Grass as a pillow
- Landing net
- Hide Smoked Meat in a tree
- Fish trap

Live and try is the best teacher .....

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[flywheel]

What i miss ....

I like to have some salt in my Survival kit.
To carry it in the Box i use two straws. I melt the ends fith a Fire lighter.
U can use the straw and make them longer if you put them into each other.

If you like share my idea ...
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[flywheel]

My Basic Survival Kits

I use one knive combination for work and Towntrips. The other one is the one with the multitool and a bigger Firestick and more Paracord.
Both have some hidden secrets:

- Knive or Multitool
- Paracord
- Firestick
- 3 Fishing Hooks
- 1 needle
- 2 plastik bag
- 1 onion net

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[Winter]

Some good ideas there Flywheel.

[DavidSurvival]

If you dig deep enough, you can request that your own city provide you with some of these materials. I received a kit in Los Angeles and New York - a kind of 'prep' kit - free reading materials and many of the items listed here including first aid kit, workman gloves, and glow sticks.

[Adventure Wolf]

My survival kit consists of nothing but a knife. Anyone that needs more then a knife is a weakling that doesn't deserve to live!.....Kidding, Joke ;)

I designed mine for about 2 days min.

- Backpack
- Folding Knife
- Multitool
- Knife Sharpener
- Fire Starter
- First Aid Pouch
- Compass
- Most Accurate scale map of area I can find
- Light Bedroll
- Thermos
- Water Purification tabets
- LED Flashlight w/spare batteries
- 50 feet of light rope
- Hatchet

Hopefully I can also grab either my 12 gauge Remington, .303 Lee Enfield or at the vary least one of my hunting bows and spare ammo. Then I would be set to hide in the woods for awhile if I needed to.

[Sarge47]

My survival kit consists of nothing but a knife. Anyone that needs more then a knife is a weakling that doesn't deserve to live!.....Kidding, Joke ;)


Glad you qualified that, you'd be surprised how much some people believe that a knife is all they need! Many moons ago, before there were any mods on here, two guys showed up from Canada. The following thread tells the tale, you have to read into it a-ways, but then keep reading to find out what happened!

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?378-Living-in-the-woods-The-Bare-Wilderness-Numptys!&highlight=bare+wilderness+numpties :mellow:

[jfeatherjohn]

Layering not only insures that you have a kit of some size with you, it also insures redundancy as each larger kit should have most of the items of the previous (smaller) kit along with different or upgraded items.

This is such an important point, Sarky.
My pocket kit will go along way to help me survive, but it fits in a pocket.
Each solution is covered in my bag, but in a "bigger" way.
My vehicle bag includes food, plus xtra tools.
My kayak bag is not designed to go anywhere; it carries things, (like clothes),that I might change into or strap on someplace.
It is a "graded" response; just because its not in or on my bag right now doesn't meanit wouldn't be. Everything is situational.

[TheWind777]

This is such an important point, Sarky.
My pocket kit will go along way to help me survive, but it fits in a pocket.
Each solution is covered in my bag, but in a "bigger" way.
My vehicle bag includes food, plus xtra tools.
My kayak bag is not designed to go anywhere; it carries things, (like clothes),that I might change into or strap on someplace.
It is a "graded" response; just because its not in or on my bag right now doesn't meanit wouldn't be. Everything is situational.

Yep. I kayak, and a kayak is a quite different animal than a bicycle. I only kayak one-night, for one thing.

I tend to have three emergency kits. One is nylon cordura with a carribinger to snap it onto my beltloop. It is a greatly pared-down emergency kit I take on day hikes. It contains the barest essentials such as bandades, a multi-purpose tool, hand wipes, extra toilet paper in teeny plastic ziplock bags, chapstick.

You could never truly survive with the pared-down kit. It is more for bare necessity than for survival. I tend not to take things such as water purification tablets (in the Superstition Mountains one has no water to purify anyways, most of the year. Right NOW there is tons of water in the streams; but that's rare).

However, I don't take my emergency bivy or my biggest firestarter, etc. I take the teeny versions of such things. I tend to throw an emergency blanket in case it starts to pour if there's impending rainstorms (the Superstition Mountains are pretty reliable. You don't get rain all-of-a-sudden if there is zero chance of rain, for example).

One thing I always take is a tablespoon of cayenne pepper; being over 60 years old with a long history in the family of heart attacks and hardening-of-the-arteries. Cayenne has been known to stop a stroke or heart attack in mid-flight.

Also always carry baking soda in a teeny ziplock for when my Gerd backs-up. Tend to take one beer with me when I hike for when I stop, and that sometimes creates horrible stomach acid problems.

Carry a good compass in that kit, waterproof matches, a fire starter, etc. There's the luxury kit which is way too big to carry on day hikes. It has the huge stuff such as the Sigg box and such. Yes, it is what I take when I'm backpacking many days. That is definitely not what I take when I go hiking in the Superstitions on Saturday or Sunday, though. That is my long-distance camping kit... the one which becomes your home when danger truly arrives.

If you're hiking places where someone is bound to be by in a few minutes, the need for true survival definitely goes down. The Superstition Mountains has become overpopulated. Too much hype about it, which attracts the wannabees and soon there's people traipsing all-over. I've seen footprints out in the middle of nowhere-nowhere when I had just got up in the morning. What used to be wilderness is becoming someone's back-yard, now.


I also steal from the bigger kits to taylor what I need. Some will go into the gray tiny kit.

[Survive]

I'm pretty new to the kit idea but i've been working on mine for about a week it contains

Shelter:
2 Contractor trash bags
1 Emergency blanket
6 Clamps

Fire:
1 Swiss Fire Steel Scout (my absolute favorite)
1 magnesium block with striker
1 lighter
12 Petroleum jelly cotton balls

Food:
20 feet of 20lbs test fishing line
12 size 8 hooks
10 split shot

Edges:
1 Whitetail folding knife
1 multi-tool
1 swiss army tool

Container:
5.11 6x6 Mollie pouch

I carry a 1980 USGI canteen and cup with 20 foot of blaze 550 cord



(any advise would be great - i'm the medic for our trips so i always have top shelf home-packed med kit on my hip)

[crashdive123]

You may want to work on your food option a bit - even a couple of power bars. Also - think about how you are going to get - and make fit to drink - water. There's more, but those two will get you moving in the right direction.

[Survive]

good point always plan for just having my kit... i carry my food in my backpack and plan on having my canteen with me for water... maybe i should look into an aquamira Filter straw

[timjones922]

I would need a survival van. I am constantly adding to my survival kit. The Big One will happen sooner or later. Earthquake that is. I am from Cali Woo Hoo!!!
I am with you there. All of the stuff I have would be tight getting in a full size SUV. By van, I am assuming that you are talking of the 26 foot + variety.

[Tokwan]

I have 3. 1 in my 4wd. 1 for my dirtbike and 1 for my hiking. To me, survival kits are really worth to have around you. You will never know when you will need one, but let's pray that we don't need to use one. However, one still needs to learn and practice on using the survival kit. Its practice, practice and practice. At the same time, keeping your kits up to date, is also very important.

[Rick]

Its practice, practice and practice. At the same time, keeping your kits up to date, is also very important.

Excellent post and spot on.

[ninjasurvivor]

I put survival kits together for fun. I collect and use survival supplies for hiking, hunting, trapping, even everyday use. I spread them around in various packs and kits depending on the scenario I may need it for. Most of it just sits there packed away, however.

There's no piece of gear I don't have, so its not a matter of making sure I have the right supplies. It's mainly a matter of being able to carry all that you need or want. That stuff gets heavy quickly. I've also create "minimalist" packs that have all the basics in a very small container. You can kind of go in any direction with this PSK business. It's a lot of fun actually.

[survivalmike]

Did some great prepping today!!

Bought a 2 week supply of food at my patriot supply - Free shipping!


& a StatGear - Auto Survival Kit which looks pretty badass and comes with a sweet knife!


I also bought new undershirts from Walmart which I guess is just to survive my wife's nagging about my worn out ones!!

[Tokwan]

I put survival kits together for fun. I collect and use survival supplies for hiking, hunting, trapping, even everyday use. I spread them around in various packs and kits depending on the scenario I may need it for. Most of it just sits there packed away, however.

There's no piece of gear I don't have, so its not a matter of making sure I have the right supplies. It's mainly a matter of being able to carry all that you need or want. That stuff gets heavy quickly. I've also create "minimalist" packs that have all the basics in a very small container. You can kind of go in any direction with this PSK business. It's a lot of fun actually.

Tha's when you learn dude!

[shellkat]

I'm looking for survival books for Arizona in Southwest Territory Phoenix Arizona to be precise also looking for any kind of books you suggest for medicinal and edible plants and the the desert here. I plan on using the library for most of my resources but if someone could suggest one book that I could buy that I could taking my bug out bag to have for reference as far as plants and other things I would be great

[MrFixIt]

I'm looking for survival books for Arizona in Southwest Territory Phoenix Arizona to be precise also looking for any kind of books you suggest for medicinal and edible plants and the the desert here. I plan on using the library for most of my resources but if someone could suggest one book that I could buy that I could taking my bug out bag to have for reference as far as plants and other things I would be great

Please don't rely on a book for wild edibles. Have someone with knowledge show you exactly what plants are edible and in season.
The pictures in books of plants that I've seen right in my backyard look totally different sometimes.

[Tokwan]

I agree with Mr. Fixit...pictures on books might be deceiving...and you might end up eating the wrong plants....

[hayshaker]

reminds me of the movie INTO THE WILD True Story Too.

[Tokwan]

Well..this is what I would do in coming up with my own survival kit..

Firstly, I would determine where I am, what climate I am facing and what are the natural disasters and animals in the area.

Then I would think:-
1. What kind of shelter would I have to make should there be an emergency.
2. Is fire making possible, are there natural tinder, is kindling available and would the wood easily catch fire. Or simply, am I in a desert, a dry forest, a wet area or marshland.
3. Will I be able to get water in that area? Should I always bring with me? Would I need to filter water?
4. Would the forest house bamboos?
5. Would the area I am in requires me to have a signalling mirror?
6. How about navigation?

These are what I would usually think and would determine what items should be in my Survival kit. It would help make my kit lighter or heavier.

[Demosthenes]

Hello everyone, first post from me, Mike.

I have a very useful tip for your survival kit and which I would like everyone to spread so as to save lives. P

You may have noticed that the Tuaregs and Bedouin nomads wear a scarf around their necks and face as they cross the desert on their camels. Do you know why?

In fact it is done to save water. As a human exhales he loses a lot of water in his breath. The lungs rely on humid air to function and the air we breathe in is moistened on its way down our throat. (I found that out when I almost died from meningitis. When I woke up after 10 days in coma I was on a respirator, which was connected to an ultrasonic humidifier, which stopped every now and then. As I frantically beeped the nurses the dry air going directly into my lungs thru a long (dry) tube felt like I was breathing sand!)

Anyway, the nomads wrap a cloth around their necks and mouth so that the moisture lost when exhaling stays in the cloth and is then picked up again and reused by the inhaled air. If a bandanna is so used in a survival situation you can reduce the amount of water a person needs and save lives.

It may even be possible that in the event of a sea ditching, that sea water be used on the outside of a bandanna to moisten the incoming air, though I haven't had the opportunity to test this. Or perhaps a tube through which one can breath air moistened by seawater can be developed........

I wonder just how many people have died of thirst who could have been saved had they known this simple, evident and life saving technique.

Please insert this tip in your survival manuals and spread the word.

[hunter63]

Demosthenes,
Hunter63 saying Hey and Welcome....there is an intro section at

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?14-Introductions

As far as your tip goes.... sounds good,..... how much testing have you done on this?....or just read about it someplace?

[Tokwan]

This is from my understanding...why do people wear robes and scraf that cover their body and face in the desert? FYI, They actually wear another set of clothes underneath the robes.
1. The items acts as a cover when they are braving sandstorms. It helps them to cover the face, protecting the eyes, ears, nose and mouth, allowing them to breath better and sand free.
2. Shields the hot sun ray, which can cause sun burn , heatstroke discomfort.
3. The wearer will sweat, and the robe helps to keep the sweat water within the robes, cooling the body.

This is what I know.....quite limited.

[hunter63]

This is from my understanding...why do people wear robes and scraf that cover their body and face in the desert? FYI, They actually wear another set of clothes underneath the robes.
1. The items acts as a cover when they are braving sandstorms. It helps them to cover the face, protecting the eyes, ears, nose and mouth, allowing them to breath better and sand free.
2. Shields the hot sun ray, which can cause sun burn , heatstroke discomfort.
3. The wearer will sweat, and the robe helps to keep the sweat water within the robes, cooling the body.

This is what I know.....quite limited.

Yeah, thanks, Tok, my understanding is much the same.......was just seeing what Demo would say.......

[Rick]

I doubt the very small amount of water vapor you would capture, if you capture any, would prevent death from dehydration. Once you become dehydrated you expel less and less moisture from all sources (urine, sweat, etc). When it's 120F outside that water vapor is going to evaporate pretty quickly.

[crashdive123]

@ Demosthenes ---> Do you have a source or reference for your theory?

[Tokwan]

I remember when I did the Baja Texas trail starting from Tecate many many moons ago, a blanket is good enough to act as a tarp when we stop at high noon. Having another blanket around you takes some getting used at first, but later, its okay.

[ashiq123]

I recommended to collect a book how survive the end days :)

[lostinthewoods]

Buy a kindle and buy a bunch of survival books. Instant one stop survival book library on one device. Although charging a kindle in the woods might be difficult.

[hunter63]

Buy a kindle and buy a bunch of survival books. Instant one stop survival book library on one device. Although charging a kindle in the woods might be difficult.

You can quote me on this.....

The "Zombies" that everyone fears are really those that depend on electronic devices to run their lives .....when the batteries go dead.
No brains of their own.........H63

[melleigha]

I have a HUGE survival kit. It has almost everything I could need. Books on identifying things, tools, canned and dried food, bottled water, first aid supplies. I started my kit after reading this FREE book that I got.

[Rick]

I'll pass on giving them my email address. Just a sloppy way to get a mailing list put together. What do you plan on surviving?

[wilderguide]

Marberry you are an Enduro just getting all that packed into the 60L would be a survival outing for me

But it's all good info and I've copied your list for me to pick and choose
thanks WG

[hunter63]

Marberry you are an Enduro just getting all that packed into the 60L would be a survival outing for me

But it's all good info and I've copied your list for me to pick and choose
thanks WG

I don't think you are going to get a response...hasn't been around for about 10 years...
Used to talk about being dropped off and left out in the wilderness...for weeks.
Maybe he didn't make it.

He certainly lists a LOT of stuff.......to carry....
List like that usually are "wish lists"...

I don't carry all the stuff in my 3/4 ton P/U

Just saying...

BTW for others to see what is being discussed.
Quote>
lol what i bring is a lil eccentric because im a survival junkie but here it is anyway

i use a 60L Woods Backpack to haul all my stuff, complete inventory is

A Outbound Banff Mummy sleeping bag Rated at -18 C (3LB's)

a two person hvy duty dome tent

speacial Edition Leatherman Wave (titanium tools)

Leatherman micra (size of a school eraser) (awsome first aid tool)

One of the earlier nameless leathermans

1 copy of 'Camping & Wilderness survival' by Paul Tawrell , the best wilderness survival book i have ever read i highly recomend it

Full Metal Welder's boots with extrme traction (THE BEST footware i have ever tried)

1 set of colemen rain cloths (jacket and pants)

a 4lb hatchet

a machete

500 wood strike anywhere matches

60 feet of rope (3 braided 550x7's) (breaks at 1200 lbs)

Zippo lighter with fluid refills

1 emergency fanny pack contains
- 2 thick rain poncho's
- 6x6 ft heat wrap
- 10 feet hevy duty cord
- 2 whistles
- 2 compasses
- tweezers

1 military issue folding shovel

1 high quality mapping compass

map pack with topographical maps of Manitoba , North Dakota , Minnesota, Saskatuan, and west Ontario

1 emergency 20 hour candle

1 first aid kit contains :
- 10 foot water proof adhesive tape roll
- various antibiotics including :
- Benzalkonium Chloride
- Methylparaben
- Ammonia pads
- isopropyl alcohol
- Iodophor pvp ointment
- iodine
- titratable
(most of these are only legally attainable - from a hospital or certified doctor)
- heavy duty bandages
- cold pack
- syringe
- anticeptics
- painkillers
- eye pad

flagging tape

waterproof match case with flint

5 rolls of snare wire

60 foot roll of strong 1/3 cm thick cord

60 foot roll of strong twine

6 footlong steel stakes

5 feet of strong fabric elastic 1cm thick (used as shock cord)

1 slingshot

250 emergency slingshot bb's

1 12x12 foot heavy duty tarp

waterproof back pack bag

1 buck folding knife

1 gerber folding knife

1 set of binoculars

1 high velocity pellet rifle (more powerfull then a .22)

500 hunting pellets for rifle

1 hand fishing set.

3 heavy duty garbage bags

1 large roll heavy duty ducktape

fingerless gloves

high quality authentic leather 'cowboy' style hat (wide brim great for when its raining)

2 sets of glasses and 1 set of contact lenses

1 set of heavy duty cloths

1 set of light summer cloths

Swimming trunks (wet suit if im planning on boating)

1 tube of superglue ( the rly rly rly powerfull kind )

2 sharpening stones

1 bottle of my emergency fire starter ( alot like napalm )

1 large fishing net (i know im screwed if im caught using it)

1 large bug net

insect repellant

one poison (stricknine, nicotine, arsenic,) dart in a metal box (incase i need to kill a grizzly

web belts in case i need to store things closer at hand

flaregun w/ 3 flares

flashlight (the dyno something kind , you squeze it and it lights up)

if im going in a boat i have another set that stays on the boat (2 heavy to carry)

1lb of jerky

enough pemmican to survive a month

water purification system

3 litres of fresh , (chemicals put in to make it more healthy) water

wool socks

tin cup

1 bottle of kerosene (incase i need lotsa flame from my lighter)
Quote

5-31-07

[madmax]

uh...wow...

[kyratshooter]

uh...wow...

Yea, I figure about 125-150 pounds of gear in that list.

No pity for the Sherpas at all!

[madmax]

What do ya suppose a month's worth of pemmican weighs...

... oh nevermind. snort.

[hunter63]

News up date....04-01-08

Wilderness survivor.... remains thought to be those of Marberry..... found under a large pile of gear....buzzards and scavengers had pretty much clean off the bones....

Had been missing for about a years after being dropped off to survive.
Located 100 ft from the road.

......
Sorry couldn't resist.....

[crashdive123]

Probably more truth to that than you know.

[rex4ev]

What about this?

I think you would be hard pressed to neglect something so simple yet so useful!!!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006QF3TW4/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=makeluck-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B006QF3TW4&linkId=a33294b07197ccf1635873667bd826dc

[rex4ev]

This is a perfect kit that is inexpensive but includes all the basics.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073WQKY15/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=makeluck-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B073WQKY15&linkId=b717cab1594526fb80d6235d789636bd

[rex4ev]

I love gadgets and these are not just cool they could save your life!

[Billy02]

well everyone has got everything, if i have missed or anything id like to add mosquito repellent.

[Shane Montana]

Thanks for the link, but I had to search for a bit to find the recommended list. the direct url I found it at: [URL="https://www.ready.gov/kit"]

[Rick]

That was a nearly thirteen year old post and it looks like the Feds changed their link. Lists are good to have but dependent upon the person and their needs and the type of problem they are planning for. Still, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for the updated link!

[myrtle.rankind]

Good choice. But my opinion the list is still too long

[surviveMark]

yes they right. If you going into the wild you should know plants name so you die like the guy in the movie into the wild - you shoulkd watch it. One of the best movie.

[Michael aka Mac]

I have no doubt that everyone that has posted in this thread has honed their survival skills and are self reliant, I do on the other hand think that many people are confusing the difference between survival kit and their survival system (bug out bag).

Over the past couple decades people have been stretching the term Survival kit to mean bug out bag. This becomes more confusing seeing the 24 hour , 48 hour and 72 hour survival kits which are more like a modified day pack with extra food and water and a few other miscellaneous items

If you look at the survival kits that pilots were given for example, they were rather basic items. These kits were some basic essentials to increase the odds of survival and rescue.

Personally I would rather use anyone of your backpack setups then those survival kits sold on the internet. Almost all of the survival kits I have seen, but not all, are filled with cheaply made or subpar gear that you could buy yourself separately at a much higher quality and durability. Now and then there is some company that is putting together survival kits or bug out bags with name brand, high quality gear, but you are paying an arm and a leg for this setup, and many times you already have several items of this kit/bag that you do not need a duplicate of.

This is what i have in my EDC bag that I carry with me whenever i leave my home:

*Mini LED Flashlight ( w/extra batteries and I put a plastic cover over the flashlight contact so not to drain battery )
*Ferro rod and striker
*Magnesium bar
*Permanent Matchless Lighter & Bic Lighter
*Survival Wire Saw
*2 Mylar Solar Blankets
*Water Purification Tablets (5 tablets)
*Compressed Camp Towel ( looks like a miniature hockey puck until opened)
*Waterproof poncho that doubles as a shelter
*Fixed Blade knife
*Swiss Army Knife
*Paracord
*Dental floss or fishing line
*SoS emergency food bar(s)
*Loud whistle
*Button compass
*few feet of duct tape

[madmax]

A machete and a pot. And I've proved it. Along with several others here.
In Florida.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

An old man I worked with as a young man told me something that I tell to young men now....

He said, "I don't ever ask God for anything. I only ask him to put it where I can get my hands on it.."


There's a lot in that little line. you just have to put your hand out and grab it.

Alan

[WolfVanZandt]

I wanna be Hugh Glass. He was mauled by a bear and left for dead in the North American wilderness. Then he crawled back to civilization. Uh...well, I don't want to be mauled by a bear...and that crawling stuff is for reptiles.

The key chain on my phone has a pen, flashlight and screen poker. The phone wallet has a note pad, magnifying glass, ruler, knife, compass, saw blade, prier thingy, notes about the area that I've collected (Colorado is sorta devious about what can poison you or not.). I usually carry some first aid stuff and a headband light in my back pack. I have a magnesium strip I sometimes carry. Aspirin, just in case I have my first angina in 30 years. Dramamine. Grph! If I'm out there for a week, I'll see if I can adapt to not taking that cabinet full of medication.

The time I really have to survive, It'll probably be the time that I have none of that stuff.

Eh, I'll live until I die. It's worked for 68 years and I won't be particularly surprised when it ends. I survive on my wits.

Uh, what were we talking about, now?

[I_am_not_atf]

What about medicine? I have seen antibiotics sold for animals and pets.

Just spam

Any idea if there is a place to get people versions?

[kyratshooter]

I had some bread that was going stale so I had French toast and fried spam for breakfast this morning!

And like all good preppers, I buy all my meds at Tractor Supply or the Farmers' Co-op.

[VnVet]

I_am_not_atf :
That was rather out of tune with reality; AKA spam.

12111
My reason for being a member here is because this site doesn't tolerate SPAM in any form unless it comes in a can. Meaning as you noticed 2 posts and you were out of here.


kyratshooter:
Many call them "fish mox" that translates to antibiotics for fish. As if I'm telling you something you didn't already know. :lol:
The key is knowing which antibiotic to use for what issue.
Of interest, antibiotic comes from two ancient Greek(?) words; anti or against and bios meaning life.

[crashdive123]

The other things that may be considered key are dosage and overuse, causing resistance to the antibiotic.

[VnVet]

The other things that may be considered key are dosage and overuse, causing resistance to the antibiotic.

As the Brits would say "Spot on."

Even medical professionals make mistakes. I was treated for a disease and it turned out to be a cracked tooth that was infected.

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