View Full Version : O'MY GOD....I don't know what to do event...the day after....Panic...more panic..????
Sourdough
06-07-2010, 06:45 PM
Friday night........OK, THE Chit has really hit the fan. World wide panic on the 10:PM news. You had a hard time just getting home last night from work, Riots in Europe, Gangs on the streets near every place you would have too slow down (you ran some stop signs, rather than get car-jacked), in two spots a car or truck was burning. The Cause really does not matter, just know that it is world wide. And you never heard about it till you turned the car/truck radio on while going home from work.
You make it home, but it takes four times as long, and many detours, the people you live with were freaked-out about your safety. Over the course of the night you learned it had something to do with the European Economy or their banks or something that does not effect you in any way.
So it is Saturday morning and the door bell rings......it is the next door neighbors. Yes, the ones that think you are a doomer/survivalist wacko's. You have what you need and you even have extra cash because you sold your boat last Sunday for $2,450.00 cash, and the buyer gave you cash, and you for some reason did not put it in the bank.
Your whole family is now in the living room because the door bell keeps ringing. You send the children to their rooms in a voice that scares them, and the youngest starts to cry, You have your Glock in your back pocket. And your mate is holding the shotgun. You tell your mate to go to the hallway between you and the children's rooms, and stay there. The door bell is ringing and they are knocking on the door both, plus you hear them say, "I know that they are home".
You open the door, but you move toward them, and they step back to give you room, as you pull the door closed behind you, and ask, "whats up"....?
They say, "We need your help"
What steps if any do you take over the week-end.......?
(Note: This was somewhat shamelessly plagiarized from: "Grab the Apple" Forum.
kyratshooter
06-07-2010, 06:56 PM
LOL :cool2:
I live in rural KY.
My neighbors would be knocking on the door to see if I was OK or needed anything.
Sourdough
06-07-2010, 07:04 PM
LOL :cool2:
I live in rural KY.
My neighbors would be knocking on the door to see if I was OK or needed anything.
No, They said, "We Need your Help". What if anything do you do over the week-end....?
Pal334
06-07-2010, 07:25 PM
Make sure that my people (family and trusted folks) are ok. I do my best to calm the "herd" at the door. My primary plan is "bug in".Since they seem to be looking for leadership, try to organize them by setting up neighborhood tasks.
Examples:
Have them inventory what they have.
Organize a neighborhood watch.
Based on skill sets, assign them tasks, ie; Handy men do whatever repairs or preps needed, medical (nurses,EMTs, doctor) a make shift clinic . Anyone with anylitical skills monitor news and internet for news etc.
Basically keep everyone busy to try to stave off panic until a better idea of the situation can be discerned.
Then wait to see what Monday brings
Sourdough
06-07-2010, 07:34 PM
pal334, Good. This will be a on going teaching/learning thread. In a few days I'll hit you with Mondays news. In your local area some business are open, not all, but some it is Saturday. Phones and power are up.
Pal334
06-07-2010, 08:51 PM
Realizing that some stores are open, send folks out to shop for what they can. Have them get to the bank if its open. Since we live on a Dead End street, start to control access, limiting entry to residents and recognized visitors only.
BENESSE
06-07-2010, 11:01 PM
The set up hardly applies to me, but as always, I learn something. Just so you know I'm in a different universe. And for my universe, there are no threads that deal with what we've faced so far or will most likely face. I'm in the bulls-eye, epicenter of SHTF--first defense, front line of TEOTWAWKI. Every day we deal with stuff that hardly ever makes it national. Just today I was on a bus that was re-routed (no explanation offered) because there was an"incident" on 5th Av. Police cars, ambulances, fire trucks. We crept along and what would have taken 20min took 1hr. If I weren't loaded up with bags, I would have gotten off and walked. But I was too tired and didn't give a damn.
So let's play the day after. :)
doug1980
06-07-2010, 11:04 PM
Well I don't really like my neighbors so aside from shooting them, I'm not sure what I would do. Not getting to know my neighbors better might be a serious mistake on my part but I doubt that will change any time soon.
Sourdough
06-07-2010, 11:05 PM
The set up hardly applies to me,:)
By Monday it will apply to you, Your company is closing for 90 days or more, and you are NOT going to get any severance pay. The bank did not roll-over the loan for companies accounts receivables. Don't respond yet but be thinking what do you do.....?
Sourdough
06-07-2010, 11:12 PM
I'll confess that in a SHTF event, my single greatest fear is people who show up and say, "We NEED Your Help".
doug1980
06-07-2010, 11:15 PM
I'll confess that in a SHTF event, my single greatest fear is people who show up and say, "We NEED Your Help".
Well while they are all driving down to your neck of the woods you should head the opposite direction. I'm sure the Bush Company will accomodate you. :)
BENESSE
06-07-2010, 11:27 PM
By Monday it will apply to you, Your company is closing, and you are going to be living on less. Don't respond yet but be thinking what do you do.....?
I think about it even when I don't want to, Sourdough. And in the past my agency did close or change hands or the accounts shifted (fill in the blanks) and I was left jobless. Several times. I got back on my feat which of course is no guarantee that I would again. But I know the drill.
I learned to live waaaaay below my means before it became fashionable and now I simply see it as a challenge. Short of just moving in with you, I'm gonna need a whole lot of location specific instruction as to what to do when I have to haul a$$. :)
BENESSE
06-07-2010, 11:31 PM
I'll confess that in a SHTF event, my single greatest fear is people who show up and say, "We NEED Your Help".
I have always said that throughout my postings. The feral human element is my greatest fear. Short of that, I think I can get through most challenges.
rwc1969
06-08-2010, 12:26 AM
Since it's Sat. morn in I'd probably be going fishing, but now that the neighbors need my help I guess I'm stuck helping them.
Now that the shtf I wonder if I'll be working monday. If not, I hope they call and let me know cuz I'd hate to waste gas driving in for nothing.
Sourdough
06-08-2010, 12:44 AM
Since it's Sat. morn in I'd probably be going fishing, but now that the neighbors need my help I guess I'm stuck helping them.
Now that the shtf I wonder if I'll be working Monday. If not, I hope they call and let me know cuz I'd hate to waste gas driving in for nothing.
Your getting laid-off, No severance pay, they will call you if they need you, but it does not look good. Sorry. Unemployment is going to peak at 26.8% so you are not alone in this scenario.
rebel
06-08-2010, 01:02 AM
Act like you are robbing a post office. Go to a fed prison and relax???? I dunno. The senario is open ended.
Sourdough
06-08-2010, 01:05 AM
The senario is open ended.
Kind of like real lives.........:)
kyratshooter
06-08-2010, 01:11 AM
No, They said, "We Need your Help". What if anything do you do over the week-end....?
I moved here specifically to avoid this situation! But there are things I would need to do.
1. Eat all the icecream before it melts.
2. Turn all the meat in the fridge and freezer into jerky.
3. Sneek out a top off the gas tanks
4. Call the kids and remind them where home is.
That's it! The neighbors all have food reserves, generators, ATVs, SUVs, are armed to the teeth and have a company strength "neighborhood watch".
rebel
06-08-2010, 01:12 AM
Kind of like real lives.........:)
MMmmm, No. Most of the time you have some say.
Sourdough
06-08-2010, 01:46 AM
I moved here specifically to avoid this situation! But there are things I would need to do.
1. Eat all the icecream before it melts.
2. Turn all the meat in the fridge and freezer into jerky.
3. Sneek out a top off the gas tanks
4. Call the kids and remind them where home is.
That's it! The neighbors all have food reserves, generators, ATVs, SUVs, are armed to the teeth and have a company strength "neighborhood watch".
I said the Power (Electric) is on. I like #3 & #4. Do you receive a pension, or money from any source, even the U.S. Government.....?
Note: this is not about how smart you are, it is about teaching others, and learning one little small thing from someone else.
Sourdough
06-08-2010, 12:15 PM
OK, it is Monday morning. The neighbors did not need food or money. They just wanted you to know that they were going to his parents farm 370 miles away. They are going to try to rent a U-HAUL Truck if they can, but they are leaving either way. He gave you a key to their house, and asked you to keep an eye on the house, and if you need anything, help yourself. You gave them two 5 gallon fuel containers, one empty, the other half full.
Both neighbors had been laid-off for a year and a half. They were living on extended unemployment insurance, the house was in foreclosure, and one of their cars was repo'ed. They were happy to have been forced into a decision.
First thing Monday as you enter work you are handed a envelope, asked to sign for the receipt of it, and are told a meeting will be held for everyone at 8:45........So, everyone is laid-off indefinitely, something to do with the bank that took over the companies old bank (which FDIC closed) not rolling over the company operating load. There is no severance pay, we love you, we are sorry for any inconvenience, it is not our fault, blah-blah-blah and don't steal any paper clips when you leave.
The banks are open, withdrawals are restricted to $300.00 per day. Your house payment is due next Tuesday it is $2,137.00 the new car pmt. is $477.55 and due this Friday. The President has requested 30 minutes from all channels at 9:00 PM Tonight.
Four months ago you tried to re-finance the house, but the appraisal came in $31,800.00 less than you owe the bank.
Do you need to do anything....??? or are you OK....???
Oooops.....I forgot, your spouse works nights, yep.....at 1:PM the Human Relations Department call to advise that shift was being terminated, do not come into work, don't call us, we will call you, not our fault, we are sorry for any Blah-Blah.
Pal334
06-08-2010, 02:02 PM
In addition , two other neighbors have left, they were “weak sisters” and would not have contributed much. That makes four out of nine houses on the dead end street vacant and with potential “assets”. We board them up and secure them for later inventory. Remainder of the neighbors are similar to me in background, mid 50’s, retired military or police, the men in reasonably good health. All have grand kids and spouse. They have taken time and effort to one degree or another to be basically prepared and provisioned and profess that they have 2-4 months cash on hand.
We got the news about our layoffs, and shrug it off, we were within a couple years of our last retirement anyways. We have approximately one years food on hand, almost the same in cash, the money from the boat sale is on hand also. We are going to implement a daily $300 withdrawal plan , for as long as that lasts. At least for now the retirement checks are going into checking so bills will be covered for now.
With the neighbor, we relax our outward preps, so as not to draw attention. But do agree to maintain a neighborhood watch. Remaining neighbors seem to be on board and things will go smoothly for now.
We live within 3 miles of the entrance to a major military installation, will wait to see what that brings us (good or bad).
I am using the newly available time to install the wood stove that I have been meaning to do. Doing more food shopping to have a bit of buffer. Clearing back hedges and brush near my property line. Spend more time listening to a diverse selection of Radio , TV and internet sources, sorting the “wheat from the chaff”
Am printing out as many resources as I can, putting them in binders (I swear that I was not this far behind).
It’s a little inconvenient, nothing to panic about yet.
Sourdough
06-08-2010, 02:32 PM
Pal334, and anyone else. Please elaborate on any good or bad potential events resulting in living inside or just outside the gate of a large Military Base. (I am clueless about this)
Good helpful post, Pal334.
kyratshooter
06-08-2010, 03:00 PM
Sorry, your sanerio has nothing in common with my reality, and you keep changing it.
You are overly concerned with things that do not count and will not matter.
$300 withdrawal limit and $2,100 house payment? Who pays their mortgauge with cash?
Middle of rioting and the wife's shift is canceled? Was she going in to work during the riot? Were you going back to work through the war zone on Monday morning?
This is extremely nonsensical.
Sourdough
06-08-2010, 03:43 PM
Sorry, your sanerio has nothing in common with my reality, and you keep changing it..
It has nothing in common with MY Reality either, it is just a "Teaching/Learning" Story. If you don't want to play fine, I understand that you have 30 years of food, and $475,000 cash and gold buried in the yard, and 27 different water wells or springs in your fenced yard. That does not mean that I did not get a good idea from Pal334's post, something I had never considered in 42 years as a prepper. It is about the one thing that someone forgot, like 50# of 16d common coated sinkers (Nails).
It keeps changing because it is 3 days later.
Pal334
06-08-2010, 04:37 PM
Living near a large military post:
Advantages:
THere is a community of fit, disciplined people(something that makes me more comfortable)
This makes the community less likely to harbor local rabble rousers.
Any "local" rabble rouser would be dealt with in an immediate manner.
As retired military ,have access to a fairly good medical facility (local facilities could get swamped).
The military takes care of its own, and would likely provide rapid assistance post incident.
Possibility (incident dependent) of seeking and being granted shelter and protection on a secure military post if needed.
Disadvantages
You live next to a potential target.
Savvy people in the area will seek shelter and refuge, possibly overwhelming resources.
Dependent on type of emergency, local traffic patterns could be disrupted during the emergency (Happened post 9/11)
There are more pros and cons, but these leap out to me right now.
crashdive123
06-08-2010, 04:50 PM
Pal334, and anyone else. Please elaborate on any good or bad potential events resulting in living inside or just outside the gate of a large Military Base. (I am clueless about this)
Good helpful post, Pal334.
Another advantage to living on base would be security. Your "neighborhood watch" is well trained and well armed. When a base is in a state of heightend security, it is very difficult to move on or off the base unless you belong there. Adding to that - a Navy base, depending on the ships that are in port are self sufficient little cities. As Pal stated - a disadvantage is that your base may be a potential target.
I know that you have not mentioned it in your scenario (at least not yet) but if martial law is declared - you are the on the side that is laying down the law if you live on base. This could be good or bad depending on how the public reacts.
Sourdough
06-08-2010, 06:24 PM
Another advantage to living on base would be security. Your "neighborhood watch" is well trained and well armed. When a base is in a state of heightend security, it is very difficult to move on or off the base unless you belong there. Adding to that - a Navy base, depending on the ships that are in port are self sufficient little cities. As Pal stated - a disadvantage is that your base may be a potential target.
I know that you have not mentioned it in your scenario (at least not yet) but if martial law is declared - you are the on the side that is laying down the law if you live on base. This could be good or bad depending on how the public reacts.
See, I learned something......the thread was not a total waste.
BLEUXDOG
06-08-2010, 07:04 PM
I guess if your state has martial law. Not all do. I am not sure that the base is where I want to be. I am not impressed with the leadership skills I am seeing now and am sure that the Core values will surely be among the first casualties.
Bases have limited food resourses and base housing is no longer run by the base but by contractors. Some bases have their housing fenced off from the rest of the base. Also remember not all military members live on base. Those that make the most money usually live off base.
In this situation, I would check my security plans, inventory my resources and maybe start a small hydroponic garden inside because the garden will surely be over run by the "You owe me" population. I also think the local government will want anyone with stock of anything to give it up to be distributed at their discretion.
Pal334
06-08-2010, 07:33 PM
Martial Law is Federal imposed, so it matters not what the state laws are. And I will strongly disagree that the that the Core values will be a first casualty, in fact the mid to lower level leadership in our military is at its strongest and best now than it has been in recent history . Resource available? I am just outside the Ft Dix, McGuire, Lakehurst Joint Base. Its mission is mobility and has warehouses of supplies, so there would be no lack of resurces (of course there are always scenario variables). Those on base certainly will be in the "cat bird" seat, As Crash indicated security is extremely good (very high per capita security/ Police to resident ratio). At this location all base property and assets (including housing) are behind perimeter fences and there are strict entry control procedures in place. There are definitely worse places to be.
Pal334
06-08-2010, 07:36 PM
Sourdough: "See, I learned something......the thread was not a total waste."
I agree, is sort of like when I advocated "table topping" your plan. Running through an organized scenerio like you are providing give folks that are interested a chance to review their plans. Now bring it on!!!!!!!:) :)
I also think the local government will want anyone with stock of anything to give it up to be distributed at their discretion.
I'd like to see a source in which that has ever occurred in the U.S. It didn't happen in any of the depressions, it didn't happen in either World War either. Even in the midst of shortages on needed metals such as copper.
Sourdough - I don't think this was a wasted thread. I didn't play along only because this isn't my SHTF scenario and I was interested in what others had to say. Even though I don't plan for it I'll be the first to admit that nothing is off the table. So I was looking at it as a learning tool for me. I appreciate you putting it together. Thanks.
Sourdough
06-08-2010, 08:38 PM
I'd like to see a source in which that has ever occurred in the U.S. It didn't happen in any of the depressions, it didn't happen in either World War either. Even in the midst of shortages on needed metals such as copper.
I agree, I just don't see it happening. How can they take food from people who only go to town every few months, and call them "Hoarders". Just like I see no way they can take all the guns from People have to have them, just to go to the outhouse. If I have 800 pounds of meat, am I a Hoarder, No just your typical Alaskan with a Moose and a Grizzly Bear in the freezer.
In order to do that the Fed would have to state specifically the allotted amount you could have in your possession. Then everyone just moves stuff around to meet the rule. It's really unmanageable from an enforcement standpoint. Ever been duck hunting on the point system? That's a great game of okay you take those two and I'll take this one. Hey, look we can each take two more!!
I also think the local government will want anyone with stock of anything to give it up to be distributed at their discretion.
I'd like to see a source in which that has ever occurred in the U.S. It didn't happen in any of the depressions, it didn't happen in either World War either. Even in the midst of shortages on needed metals such as copper.
How 'bout this? :innocent:
"Special to The New York Times
May 30, 1918, Thursday
Page 4, 1452 words
WASHINGTON, May 29.--Indictments were returned by a Federal Grand Jury here today against Medical Director Francis Smith Nash, USN and his wife, Caroline Nash, charging them with violation of Section 6 of the Food Control act in having large quantities of flour, sugar, and other foodstuffs in their possession, to the value of $1,923.36. In a statement issue by the Food Administration it was alleged that the food hoarded was sufficient to maintain the family for more than a year and hence far in excess of the requirements of thirty days, the period recognized by Food Administrator Hoover as a 'reasonable one' for residents of cities."
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=940CEEDD1238EE32A25753C3A9639C946996D6CF
BLEUXDOG
06-08-2010, 08:54 PM
Sorry you missed out on Katrina.
The Superdome housed the have nots and the Basketball arena next door housed the haves. You heard about the lack of food and water in the dome but you did not hear about the supplies that were in the arena.
There were times when the "Authorities" were helping themselves to things that did not belong to them. I know of situations that involved local police, national
guard and active duty army were involved.
Louisiana does not have Martial Law.
I was trying to state what I would do in the given situation. I am no longer in LA and don't look forward to facing the given situation in my present location.
I did not mean to derail this thread. I would like to see more of what Sourdough has in store for us. I promise to mind my Ps and Qs from now on.
Sourdough
06-08-2010, 09:02 PM
I did not mean to derail this thread. I would like to see more of what Sourdough has in store for us. I promise to mind my Ps and Qs from now on.
You did NOT derail the thread. The whole point is sharing "our" thoughts and feelings.
BENESSE
06-08-2010, 09:18 PM
It's nice to hear ALL points of view no matter what.
However, supporting evidence and boots on the ground experience are always a plus.
Camp10
06-08-2010, 09:20 PM
Sourdough - I don't think this was a wasted thread. I didn't play along only because this isn't my SHTF scenario and I was interested in what others had to say. Even though I don't plan for it I'll be the first to admit that nothing is off the table. So I was looking at it as a learning tool for me. I appreciate you putting it together. Thanks.
+1 ! I'll follow along but until it turns to something that might be similar to my situation, I'll just watch. I've done my best to fly below the radar. My neighbors have no idea that I am prepared for trouble. I have nearly no debt and a job that is not likely to go away. I am enjoying the thread though!
Ken - the law was repealed the following year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_Fuel_Control_Act
Bluexdog - No problem from where I stand. It's all about give and take. You mind your pints and I'll mind your quarts. :innocent:
doug1980
06-08-2010, 11:03 PM
Hummmm advantages of living on Base...
Security is better I spose, more of a false sense at least here any way.
It's own Utilities, but they go out more here than they ever did back home. Matter of fact there was just a DO NOT DRINK THE WATER here that lasted several days. Couldn't boil it either.
Has it's own stores, but on pay day it's picked clean so I can only imagine how difficult it would be to get anything if SHTF.
A major negative would be a sort of Martial Law that would happen on Base. Restricted to Base or even restricted from going outside. You would not be free to leave even if you wanted to.
Not to mention a huge target.
Honestly I would rather take my chances away from a Military Installation but that's just me.
Winnie
06-09-2010, 04:22 AM
+1 ! I'll follow along but until it turns to something that might be similar to my situation, I'll just watch. I've done my best to fly below the radar. My neighbors have no idea that I am prepared for trouble. I have nearly no debt and a job that is not likely to go away. I am enjoying the thread though!
Sourdough - I don't think this was a wasted thread. I didn't play along only because this isn't my SHTF scenario and I was interested in what others had to say. Even though I don't plan for it I'll be the first to admit that nothing is off the table. So I was looking at it as a learning tool for me. I appreciate you putting it together. Thanks.
+2. similar situation to you C10.
BENESSE
06-09-2010, 07:42 AM
+ me 3. :)
Sourdough
06-09-2010, 11:37 AM
OK.....It is early Wednesday morning. You only had economic problems till now. The Nuclear Reactor 21.6 miles from your home, on the other side of the river is melting down, it started unknown hours ago while you were sleeping. (Feel free to have it be a toxic gas from a truck accident) It is a fatal air mass.
First the Bad News: The air flow is in your general direction. The safest direction for you to head to avoid the toxic air mass is already congested, traffic (Both vehicles and walking/running) is moving, but slower than the air mass.
Now the Good News: Sorry, there is no good news, however it is possible for you and yours to reach safety.
What do you do.......??? (Disregard the family in the first posts, it has switched to just the REAL you and the people you live with, if any.)
I'm on board now. First is a dose of potassium iodide for me and my wife (Yes, I have them on hand). Time to exposure and distance are two critical elements. I toss the bags in the car and head in any direction away from the source that I can find. If that means a 90 degree angle then so be it. My main concern is to put as much distance between me and the source as possible.
Sourdough
06-09-2010, 11:52 AM
I'm on board now. First is a dose of potassium iodide for me and my wife.
What is this.......?
Sourdough
06-09-2010, 11:58 AM
I know nothing about nuclear stuff, so anything anybody knows would be helpful. Like would a Rain suit or gas mask help....? We don't talk about this subject (Radio Active Gas/Dust).
BENESSE
06-09-2010, 12:02 PM
Good info here, S.
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/radiation/ki.asp
Pal334
06-09-2010, 12:31 PM
Rally the troops (including neighbors) . All don rainsuits and dust masks (the best we can do for now) and load up into three vehicles (trucks) one is an actual duece and a half (bless that neighbor) . Load a bugout supplies. Load on five 55 gallon barrels of water and any other container we can fill rapidly. Note: and all the fuel we can scrounge. All person exposed (will only be the old farts in rain gear and masks will periodicaly douse themselves with water to minimize contamination). Exterior air intakes to the vehicles will be duct tapped off for now.
Break out the maps we have been table topping and researching (see my post that subject) and choose our route through the Pine Barrens via the fire roads . (little known fact that there are huge expanses of stunted Pine Barrens covering Central to south New Jersey). The route chosen will be to get us out of the windward side of the contamination. It will cross established roadways, but quickly disappearing back into the brush. The fellows in the Duece (rear of column)will be the security element (weapons concealed at this point). One or more people will be monitoring the commercial, CB and shortwave radio for updates. Making all the miles we can
Sourdough
06-09-2010, 12:34 PM
BENESSE, I realize you would have no hope of evacuation, but is there action you could take........Like plug all vents, cover windows with trash bags, etc. Just wondering, even if exposed for an hour and the wind shifted away, would that be enough to be harmful....?
BENESSE
06-09-2010, 01:19 PM
BENESSE, I realize you would have no hope of evacuation, but is there action you could take........Like plug all vents, cover windows with trash bags, etc. Just wondering, even if exposed for an hour and the wind shifted away, would that be enough to be harmful....?
That's precisely what I intend to do IF I happen to be at home--heavy duty plastic & duct tape. (Plenty of that on hand)
If I am out and about, then it's $hit out of luck. The dust mask & safety goggles I carry around 90% of the time just won't be enough. Besides, it's anyone's guess what might get released. Different substances have different degradation rates and require different remedies. Just can't prepare for every contingency.
I would think that would work. As I said, the amount of time you are exposed and the distance from the source, I guess I would have to add the strength/type of radiation, are all primary concerns. As long as you don't get it on you or breath it then there is some protection in bugging in. Just remember that radiation gives off rays (alpha (not much of a concern), beta (a bit more of a concern if it is on your skin), gamma and X-ray (both can penetrate several feet of protection. These two can do you in if you get a large enough dose. That could occur through the walls of your home if the amount of fallout is great enough).
So, if you bug in and you are underground (basement or other underground dwelling) then you should be okay. If you bug in above ground then you want to stay to the center of your house and keep as much dense material between you and the outside walls as possible.
As for me, I'm booking it if I can.
crashdive123
06-09-2010, 02:34 PM
A reactor accident that close with the prevailing winds in my direction? I too would start dosing potassium iodide (yes, it is in my first aid kit. This is the brand I have http://www.nitro-pak.com/product_info.php?cPath=37&products_id=1127&osCsid=683abeb29ecb7f645ed3bf93b35ab1d3 ). My larger truck has all of my camping gear, 10 gallons of water and about 30 days of food in it. I would quickly load more food and water (why I keep it in the containers I do), attach a small tairler (enclosed) and load with gasoline (5 gallon containers X 12) along with chainsaws, axes, shovels. Mrs. Crash would be throwing some clothing in large trash bags. She would also load protective equipment (nitrile gloves, dust masks, etc.). This should take no longer than 5 to 10 minutes, and we are headed out. Drive perpendicular to wind direction, and then angle away. Do not run AC in vehicle. Do not open windows. Don clothing that covers exposed skin. Wear respirators. Monitor radio (s) for changes in wind direction.
Sourdough
06-09-2010, 02:53 PM
Anyone know how far away one needs to be in a full scale melt-down. I was here in Alaska and we were down wind a long ways when Chernobyl Reactor melted down in 86', and we were advised to stay indoors. And then not to eat animals like Caribou that ate surface plants that year.
There are two danger zones according to the NRC. The first is anyone within a 10 mile radius where people could be harmed by direct radiation exposure. There are very specific things that have to occur within that zone with regard to notification, emergency plans, etc. The second zone is an area up to 50 miles from the plant, where radioactive materials could contaminate water supplies, food crops, and livestock.
BENESSE
06-09-2010, 04:29 PM
You can click on your STATE in the DIRECTORY below to see the targets and other IMPORTANT information. (sorry, don't see AK)
http://www.ki4u.com/nuclearsurvival/list.htm
According to these guys....Alaska.
http://www.ki4u.com/nuclearsurvival/states/ak.htm
I think you're safe from the initial big bang.
Sourdough
06-09-2010, 10:14 PM
Thanks Rick, This has been a fatal problem in the past and will be again. :alien::alien::alien:
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