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Pal334
06-02-2010, 09:33 AM
In the military we frequently “table topped (or also known as Map reconned) operations etc prior to plan implementation.
Ken recently brought up an interesting idea. In his case, was exploring using High voltage line right of ways as a “bug out route”. As he mentioned, this would include “running a route” exploring obstacles , viability of the route, etc.
It got me to thinking that no matter your location (big city, suburban or the “wild”) it would make sense to map out your potential routes and alternatives (on a single map, or several maps, your choice) . What I do is sit at the kitchen table and study it, and with a pencil mark those routes or alternatives that look good on paper. In my case I have “found” many routes that could serve my needs (at least in theory). I keep this as my “master map”. Then as time and opportunity permit, I will chose one of the routes (or even pieces of it) and explore them in person. During this exploration I discover things that may not be shown on the map (huge perpetual wet / marshy areas made due to new construction, etc) that may make the route inappropriate for my intended use. Also during this exploration if at all possible I mark any resources (water towers, industrial areas, etc) that I discover. Possibly more important would be liabilities such as bridges, prisons etc. I am not a big fan of GPS, but if I was, I would be marking areas and features of interest or concern. Make sure to use and understand a variety of maps that are suitable to your area (topographical, street maps and simple street map books) each type will provide unique information that you can use. Also find the website for your locale that will warn of major construction (short and long term) that can make temporary changes in your list of choices.
One aspect that will be a personal choice is the “detail or scope” of your map, do you want it down to an “block by block, street by street detail (urban and suburban) or more “zoomed out “ scale (for the wilds) or a combination? My choice is detailed with a “zoomed out” version as a backup, each with my notes included.
This would be an ongoing process, with no real end since most of us are in urban /suburban areas where there will be man made changes occurring all the time. And in city environments having a street map would be a must since disruptions of routes is almost certain.
When you have your initial map done, periodically set it on the kitchen table and review it and the information that you are updating it with. My preference is one map since information garnered during exploration of one route or area can sometime impact another area (of course I update the spares also). Again this is an ongoing process and can be interesting in that you learn a lot about your area that you may not otherwise learn.
Prior planning like this will relieve of one more onerous task if and or when you are called upon or forced to act during an emergency.
Good idea, Pal. Google Earth is your friend.
Pal334
06-02-2010, 12:35 PM
And its free :)
kyratshooter
06-02-2010, 05:00 PM
For three years I sat in on table top planning sessions and op orders. We would copy and note frantically, do our op orders, redraw the maps at company and platoon level. It was beautiful.
And never once did any operation go as planned.
Not that one should stop planning mind you, just that flexability should be part of that plan.
your_comforting_company
06-02-2010, 05:01 PM
For the big picture, i.e. getting TO the BOL, I prefer the zoomed out version. Most don't show power line routes, but most show creeks and streams, and bridges (inherent) and railroads.
For the actual BOL, I prefer the more detailed topo that indicates ridges and valleys, etc, and often shows springs or heads and other resources. These are often detailed enough to show power line routes too. The topo often comes as a waterproof map also.
I'm with you. I carry both and I often see the need for both. Lots of dirt roads and such around here aren't on the big map and often you can take dirt roads and trails to wherever you are going.
Great post pal!
Camp10
06-02-2010, 08:26 PM
For the big picture, i.e. getting TO the BOL, I prefer the zoomed out version. Most don't show power line routes, but most show creeks and streams, and bridges (inherent) and railroads.
For the actual BOL, I prefer the more detailed topo that indicates ridges and valleys, etc, and often shows springs or heads and other resources. These are often detailed enough to show power line routes too. The topo often comes as a waterproof map also.
I'm with you. I carry both and I often see the need for both. Lots of dirt roads and such around here aren't on the big map and often you can take dirt roads and trails to wherever you are going.
Great post pal!
You can see ROW corridors on a topo map and on google earth. Clearings (vegetation less than 6 feet) are usually noted as white in your map and if you live in a wooded area (like I do) there will be thin white lines running straight on the maps..these are your power lines. Grad your DeLorme and take a look!
your_comforting_company
06-03-2010, 12:46 AM
My map keys are a little different, I suppose. My map even shows old roads that are now underwater, and hiking trails that you can't drive down anymore. The new management area, Silver Lake, is a good example of that. While there are only one or two lines coming in (as noted on the topo, but not the "zoomed out" big map) There are a wealth of foot trails coming into the area, and all through it.
Neither map is a substitute for physically checking the routes, but it does help organize your plan.
your_comforting_company
06-03-2010, 12:50 AM
Oh.. I found a website a while back (of course it's bookmarked on my dead computer.. $%&*@*!$ ($%&*@*!$)) where you can download topo maps of almost the entire U.S. I use it to get maps for everywhere I hunt and fish and keep records of "good fishing" or "heavy deer trail" marked. Would be a good supplement to any map kit that is going into your bob.
Pal334
08-01-2010, 08:49 PM
I recently was able to "snag" a copy of the Forest Fire Services map of the New Jersey Pinelands. It shows , with much more detail the fireservice roads, permanent fire breaks , high power line routes and some very interesting "features" than anything I have been able to get before. I am in the process of "table topping" this in to my current maps. Now I will try to smooze my way into a similar map for the eastern half of PA. The moral is, never be satisfied, planning is a constant process
I think this is a great thread and hasn't received the recognition it deserves. Table topping IS part of the planning process. Just like testing your plan. Good stuff, Pal!!!!
SARKY
08-02-2010, 04:57 AM
I usually start out with a delormn map book to get my general routes and graduate to high detail topos of the routes i've picked. the topos give me a better idea as to altitude changes, more details for finding water and defendable shelter.
klickitat
08-02-2010, 03:07 PM
Tip for Google Earth I discovered:
Hold the left button on the mouse and sort of throw the mouse and let go of the button. This will cause the screen to move by itself. It causes everything to appear in 3D. It is incredible to see the terrain come alive.
Did you know you can "fly" in Google Earth? Go to Tools then Flight Simulator. You can go fast or really, really fast.
rwc1969
08-02-2010, 04:20 PM
Great post Pal. Only thing I could possibly think to add would be the use of old outdated topo maps and such. They show the way things were. A lot of those things are still out there, but they've just been covered up by years of progress.
All my personal maps are custom made from old topos or have scribbles here and there to show different things of interest.
Pal334
08-02-2010, 04:37 PM
RWC, I started with military topos and moved onwards. I have alot of "margin memos". Even if I never need or use them, is fun to see what is out there.
rwc1969
08-03-2010, 06:57 PM
Yes it is. I've found old orchards that were grown over, old roads that are gone, but still navigable by foot thru woods because the critters keep them somewhat open, old campgrounds, farms, and such where outbuildings still stand, but are obscured, metal resources, etc.
I don't know much about proper land navigation though and it's an area I need to work on. I've pretty much forgotten all the stuff I learned in scouts.
SARKY
08-04-2010, 02:44 PM
One last thing to add, travel your route/s and explore along your route. Check out places to put in caches and where water is available.
Pal334
12-01-2010, 08:39 PM
I recently got a "handme" down iPod touch from my daughter. I started "sniffing around" and found a map application. Now in a pocket size package, I can have a basic (and possibly more detailed later ) map on me all the time. Does not (at least for me) replace my more detailed paper maps, but is one more tool. another advantage may be that when I travel, I can download at least basic maps of the area (s) I will visit.
Intially I am going to use this application,but will probably be able in the future to find something better.
http://www.offmaps.com/
Planning is an ongoing process.
It seems to me if SHTF then communication needs to be a bit tactical. Not to get all paranoid or anything but I really don't want all those ears knowing my plans if I happen to be away from the house or family members happen to be. We carry the same maps so we can know the exact location of each other. Assuming I'm in the field trying to get home the conversation may go something like....
Map Alpha Tango. That specifies which map I'm looking at. I have an Atlas Topo for my state and my designation for the Atlas Topo might be Alpha Tango. (Might not be, too).
Read 39. May indicate the page number.
Delta 9 would indicate the coordinates.
November mobile would indicate my direction of travel is north.
Based on that information, my wife can check her map and see exactly where I am. That happens to be one map that I carry for anything in state.
I think it's important to be able to communicate the information but you may not want all those ears knowing you are at the crossroads of X and Y and heading north.
The only way this works is if you start out table topping the plan and work through scenarios.
Pal334
02-08-2011, 03:00 PM
Just saw this on CNN, checked it out and I think I will add it to my plan.Since it is GPS dependent, it is not a replacement for the paper map, but it more closely than anything I have seen will serve my needs. The interview I saw of the inventor (US Army Artillery Officer) says it is easily adapted to civilian use.
http://www.skuggen.com/2011/02/tactical-nav-a-taliban-tracking-iphone-app/#
partial excerpt from the article:
"The idea for the app came to Captain Jonathan J. Springer in a dream last July. He wanted to make an application that would assist soldiers in Afghanistan by making it possible to plot the coordinates, and post pictures and descriptions as they face Taliban soldiers. In addition, the app can also be used to direct artillery fire on enemy positions or to call in helicopter support."
Here's the web site:
http://www.tacticalnav.com/
crashdive123
02-08-2011, 04:24 PM
Warning!!!!!
Be careful when you are using any device to take pictures that is GPS enabled. I just watched a news story on "geotagging". People that post pictures on the net - facebook, forums, or elsewhere that were taken with a gps enabled camera (cell phones, etc) can be located by anybody to within 10 feet. There are new directives out to soldiers that they cannot post pictures from their cell phones.
This takes some inexpensive software to do it, but it was kind of scary. A reporter posted a photo of herself to facebook. It was night time. There were no distinguishing features to give away her location. The guy that was explaining how geotagging worked drove his van right up to her within 20 minutes.
The gps can be turned off, but then any app that uses gps will be kind of useless.
Pal334
02-08-2011, 06:56 PM
Good point, geotagging is a potential security issue. I more inclined to use this to make hard copies for future use. In an emergency situation, my general plan will be to "disconnect" from the net and cell phones if I have to be on the move. That should minimize any exposure to geotagging
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