Government Getting Involved in Parenting Decisions [Archive]

Ken

04-28-2010, 07:19 AM

I think the Mickey D addicts would riot. :innocent:

I'm the last guy who'll speak in favor of the health benefits of the dollar menu. No different from potato chips, hot fudge sundaes, meat-lover's pizzas, bacon :innocent:..........

I guess my point is, I don't want the government making ANY of my personal decisions for me. What right does some government bureaucrat have to make my personal choices for me? Who anointed the government with the omniscience to control everything in our lives better than we can? Most government decisions don't impress me as it is.

If we allow the government to keep nipping away at our freedoms, I can envision a future when we all carry a national "everything" card that serves as an ID, a GPS monitor, a medical record, a credit/debit/ATM card, and controls our personal choices as well.

Swipe the card at the supermarket, and the register will "reject" all unhealthy purchases based on your health profile. All of this is possible.......

*Overweight? Forget that Snickers bar.
*Underweight? No more salads or gym memberships for you.
*BMI too high? Sorry, but you can't buy a pair of pants with more that a 34" waist - lose weight if you need new clothes.
*Not enough exercise? Your car won't start today. Walk to work.

"In the year 3535
Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies
Ev'rything you think do and say
Is in the pill you took today"

crashdive123

04-28-2010, 07:28 AM

I think most here would agree with you when you say
I guess my point is, I don't want the government making ANY of my personal decisions for me. What right does some government bureaucrat have to make my personal choices for me? Who anointed the government with the omniscience to control everything in our lives better than we can? Most government decisions don't impress me as it is. but untill their constituents send them the message.......

Hey Sarky! Where's the torches and pitchforks?

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 07:33 AM

I am in the advertising/marketing biz and I think the govt. is grossly overstepping here on the toys issue.
Requiring McD to post ingredients & nutritional values on their products makes sense--that would constitute full disclosure/buyer beware/eat at your own discretion (or risk).
The toys are beside the point and none of their business.

Winnie

04-28-2010, 07:48 AM

I absolutely agree Ken. When something starts to impinge on my personal choice, It gets my back up. I don't know whether you've hade the reducing salt and sugar thing in the US, but the govt "encourages" food manufacturers to reduce the amount of salt and sugar in the consumables. Well I'd like to tell you right now, low salt/sugar baked beans and tinned spaghetti in sauce taste bog awful! I rarely eat them, but I do enjoy beans or spaghetti on toast from time to time. I don't anymore.
There again, I eat a balanced mainly fresh food diet. If those who live off carp can't see that it's bad for them, well tough titty. Just have a heart attack and die. Leave me to enjoy the odd tin of beans WITH salt and sugar thank you very much!

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 07:49 AM

I guess my point is, I don't want the government making ANY of my personal decisions for me. What right does some government bureaucrat have to make my personal choices for me? Who anointed the government with the omniscience to control everything in our lives better than we can? Most government decisions don't impress me as it is.[/I]

I don't want that either because I am quite capable of making my own decisions without negatively affecting anyone else around me.
But what about others who aren't? I was happy to see smoking banned in public places because it was affecting my breathing and it was dangerous to my health. If the govt. hadn't stepped in do you honestly think people would have stopped on their own out of consideration for others?

Why not save your pitchfork for defense of our southern border since evidently that's what we'll have to resort to.

Ken

04-28-2010, 07:54 AM

I was happy to see smoking banned in public places because it was affecting my breathing and it was dangerous to my health. If the govt. hadn't stepped in do you honestly think people would have stopped on their own out of consideration for others?

There's a big distinction between selling french fries and selling tobacco.

Just sayin'. :innocent:

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 07:55 AM

crashdive123

04-28-2010, 07:57 AM

I don't want that either because I am quite capable of making my own decisions without negatively affecting anyone else around me.
But what about others who aren't? I was happy to see smoking banned in public places because it was affecting my breathing and it was dangerous to my health. If the govt. hadn't stepped in do you honestly think people would have stopped on their own out of consideration for others?

Why not save your pitchfork for defense of our southern border since evidently that's what we'll have to resort to.

I am an ex-smoker. I do not enjoy being in a room with a lot of smokers. I do believe that a business owner should have the right to allow smoking (still a legal product) at his/her establishment if they choose. I then have to make a choice of whether or not I want to give that business owner my business. I didn't eat at restaurants (when I ate out a lot) that didn't have no smoking sections, and I didn't drink in smoke filled bars. Probably a good thing on both counts for me.

As far as the southern border - I believe it will take more than pitchforks. It will take principles - something that is sadly lacking in DC.

Winnie

04-28-2010, 07:59 AM

Ah there's the rub, Bee. There were already low salt/sugar equivalents available. This refers the "regular" varieties. That's what I object to. The decision has been taken away from me.

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 08:04 AM

Ken you are right, there is a big distinction between selling french fries and selling tobacco which is why I haven't stated anywhere that fries should be banned. All I said was, let people know their nutritional value and let them make up their own mind.

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 08:34 AM

Ah there's the rub, Bee. There were already low salt/sugar equivalents available. This refers the "regular" varieties. That's what I object to. The decision has been taken away from me.

I know it's annoying Winnie, but it's still a relatively painless fix. Just add what you want in quantities that suit you. What's maddening is when you have no options and the ones you used to have weren't hurting anyone nor limiting their options.

Here's what makes me wanna go postal:
Bleeping "bad" words on TV especially late at night. If you're watching a comedy show and every 3rd word is bleeped, unless you read lips, it's not fun. All because some irresponsible parent might have his/her kids up that late watching the same thing.
Here I have NO options. But the parent does.
Don't understand why no one is ticked off about that.

Trabitha

04-28-2010, 08:39 AM

It ticks me off because I remember a cute little happy meal being a treat on special occasions as a child, and using the same thing for my son. Now the 2.00 treat that was so affordable, must be purchased individually and there's no little toy. It's like cacker-jacks and no prize. It means a lot to kids...:(
I'm just getting amazingly fed up with the "Father Knows Best" mentality that our government has gotten accustomed to. No..."Big Brother", you do NOT know best.

Winnie

04-28-2010, 09:09 AM

I know it's annoying Winnie, but it's still a relatively painless fix. Just add what you want in quantities that suit you. What's maddening is when you have no options and the ones you used to have weren't hurting anyone nor limiting their options.

My point exactly Bee. I have no choice! I fail to see why I should be penalized just because the govt thinks I should be nannied. Bottom line is, I no longer have the odd tin of beans.
It's the principle of the thing.
As for the Happy Meal toy I think Trabitha has hit the nail on the head.

2dumb2kwit

04-28-2010, 01:40 PM

I know it's annoying Winnie, but it's still a relatively painless fix. Just add what you want in quantities that suit you. What's maddening is when you have no options and the ones you used to have weren't hurting anyone nor limiting their options.

Ya see...there's part of .....make that a big part of the problem. "It's a relatively easy fix", or "we are only giving up a little", or "it's not that big a deal". Death of a thousand cuts, I say.

If you can't show me a good benifit, then don't ask me to give up anything!:sneaky2:

Let's turn this around, a little. How bad do you think people would be screaming, if the county said, "You can read the nutritional facts, so if you feed it to your overweight kid, you go to jail for child abuse."?

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 01:47 PM

Ya see...there's part of .....make that a big part of the problem. "It's a relatively easy fix", or "we are only giving up a little", or "it's not that big a deal". Death of a thousand cuts, I say.

If you can't show me a good benifit, then don't ask me to give up anything!:sneaky2:

Let's turn this around, a little. How bad do you think people would be screaming, if the county said, "You can read the nutritional facts, so if you feed it to your overweight kid, you go to jail for child abuse."?

Again, exaggerating a point that's beside the point of what I was saying to Winnie? (the part you quoted)

How about this?
Here's a basic can of soup/beans/stew.
Doesn't have salt in it.
Doesn't have sugar in it.
Doesn't have MSG in it.

Put it in your damn self. We don't know who wants what, so YOU decide.
Isn't that what you want after all?

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 01:57 PM

Ya see...there's part of .....make that a big part of the problem. "It's a relatively easy fix", or "we are only giving up a little", or "it's not that big a deal". Death of a thousand cuts, I say.

If you can't show me a good benifit, then don't ask me to give up anything!:sneaky2:

Let's turn this around, a little. How bad do you think people would be screaming, if the county said, "You can read the nutritional facts, so if you feed it to your overweight kid, you go to jail for child abuse."?

Don't give up anything YOU don't want to give up.
I, however, want to know what's in the food I'm eating. Just like products have labels in the grocery store (which you can ignore if you want to) they should have the same in restaurants--just basic stuff not the whole spiel. The way Starbucks and Subway do.
No one is forcing you to read it, eat it, or give it up...so what's the big deal?

2dumb2kwit

04-28-2010, 02:00 PM

Again, exaggerating a point that's beside the point of what I was saying to Winnie? (the part you quoted)

How about this?
Here's a basic can of soup/beans/stew.
Doesn't have salt in it.
Doesn't have sugar in it.
Doesn't have MSG in it.

Put it in your damn self. We don't know who wants what, so YOU decide.
Isn't that what you want after all?

Try reading the thread again.

Here is a can of beans with sugar and salt.
Here is a can of beans without sugar and salt.
People can get which one they want. What's wrong with that?

Some do-gooder doesn't think we should eat sugar or salt, so now you can get only beans without sugar and salt.

This punishes to producer and the consumer, and does little, if any, good.

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 02:10 PM

Try reading the thread again.

Here is a can of beans with sugar and salt.
Here is a can of beans without sugar and salt.
People can get which one they want. What's wrong with that?

Some do-gooder doesn't think we should eat sugar or salt, so now you can get only beans without sugar and salt.

This punishes to producer and the consumer, and does little, if any, good.

Why on earth should I pay MORE for them NOT PUTTING stuff in? (because now I do!)
I don't give a rat's behind about people eating sugar salt or whatever.
It's just that I can't take it out once it's in. Get it?

Just tell me what's wrong with everyone adding stuff they like. How many versions of everything does it take to satisfy everyone's taste?
As it is, the inane and expensive options make one's head explode.

2dumb2kwit

04-28-2010, 02:13 PM

Don't give up anything YOU don't want to give up.
I, however, want to know what's in the food I'm eating. Just like products have labels in the grocery store (which you can ignore if you want to) they should have the same in restaurants--just basic stuff not the whole spiel. The way Starbucks and Subway do.
No one is forcing you to read it, eat it, or give it up...so what's the big deal?

I agree 100% about labeling it.

I don't think you are getting what I'm saying. (And what I believe, Winnie is saying)

Let's use Spam, for example. You can get regular "Spam", or you can get "Low sodium Spam". They are right next to each other, on the shelf, and cost the same. 80% of what get sold, is regular Spam, 20% is "low sodium Spam". Do you not see a problem, with the gov't making it illegal to sell regular Spam. Is it OK, because you can still add salt, if you want to?

2dumb2kwit

04-28-2010, 02:18 PM

Why on earth should I pay MORE for them NOT PUTTING stuff in? (because now I do!)
It's called supply and demand. I would have thought a smart girl like you, would understand that.

Just tell me what's wrong with everyone adding stuff they like.
Why should 98% of the people be inconvenienced, to make the other 2% happy?
How many versions of everything does it take to satisfy everyone's taste?
As it is, the inane and expensive options make one's head explode.

It sounds like you are OK, with other people suffering, as long as it fits what you want.:innocent:

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 02:21 PM

I agree 100% about labeling it.

I don't think you are getting what I'm saying. (And what I believe, Winnie is saying)

Let's use Spam, for example. You can get regular "Spam", or you can get "Low sodium Spam". They are right next to each other, on the shelf, and cost the same. 80% of what get sold, is regular Spam, 20% is "low sodium Spam". Do you not see a problem, with the gov't making it illegal to sell regular Spam. Is it OK, because you can still add salt, if you want to?

On a scale of "Big Deals" this one rates on the very bottom if at all. Why? Because you can do something about it--add salt yourself. You may not like doing it, but you can.
However, when the speech police bleeps stuff out I have no recourse. I can't switch to another channel and see the same thing. I'd be happy to do that, but I can't.
NOW do you get it?

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 02:26 PM

It sounds like you are OK, with other people suffering, as long as it fits what you want.:innocent:

Likewise.
I am already paying more on many fronts (food, health care, environment)
because of the idiotic decisions of a relative minority. How's that fair?

Winnie

04-28-2010, 02:29 PM

2dumb2kwit

04-28-2010, 02:41 PM

Likewise.
I am already paying more on many fronts (food, health care, environment)
because of the idiotic decisions of a relative minority. How's that fair?

Nobody said that life is fair. That's kinda the point of all of this. We have to speak up, about the things that we don't like.

I think where you and I are having a disagreement, is that (using the "fair" terminology.) you are making a distinction between a little un-fair, and a lot un-fair, you don't seem to be worried about things that are a little un-fair. I say right is right, and wrong is wrong.

To me, this is like saying that it's OK, that you got robbed, because they only took $3 from you. Not only is it wrong, but after a while, you will realize that all your money got stolen.....$3 at a time.:innocent:

2dumb2kwit

04-28-2010, 02:49 PM

Well I'll float this past you Bee.... Why should I (and 2D I believe) Have to do without salt/sugar in our stuff just because people don't want to eat it. See what I mean? You've taken away my choice to buy goods containing what I want to satisfy their taste. There's no getting away from the fact that there IS a choice for all of us. If people don't want to eat salt/sugar in their beans buy the low sugar/sodium version. Like 2D said, it's up to folks to decide what to eat and feed their kids. It's all there on the label, some folk should learn to read them, instead of removing my choice because people are too lazy/ignorant to bother.

Edit: Yes I agree in the big scheme of things this goes beyond trivial, I was using this as a for instance.

Well.......yes and no.:innocent:

The Camel's Nose In The Tent.

One cold night, as an Arab sat in his tent, a camel gently thrust his nose under the flap and looked in. "Master," he said, "let me put my nose in your tent. It's cold and stormy out here." "By all means," said the Arab, "and welcome" as he turned over and went to sleep.

A little later the Arab awoke to find that the camel had not only put his nose in the tent but his head and neck also. The camel, who had been turning his head from side to side, said, "I will take but little more room if I place my forelegs within the tent. It is difficult standing out here." "Yes, you may put your forelegs within," said the Arab, moving a little to make room, for the tent was small.

Finally, the camel said, "May I not stand wholly inside? I keep the tent open by standing as I do." "Yes, yes," said the Arab. "Come wholly inside. Perhaps it will be better for both of us." So the camel crowded in. The Arab with difficulty in the crowded quarters again went to sleep. When he woke up the next time, he was outside in the cold and the camel had the tent to himself.

Trabitha

04-28-2010, 03:04 PM

What I think is being glossed over a bit in this discussion...is the fact that the bottom line is that Mcdonalds is a privately owned business. If you don't LIKE or don't approve of their food, don't eat. That's our right as a consumer. If we WEREN'T purchasing the happy meal, they wouldn't be on the menu any longer.
What's HAPPENING...is that the government is telling a PRIVATELY owned business what they can and can not sell in a certain state. This sets precedence and in America it's been made very clear as to how dangerous it is to set a precedent like that.
This takes away our right to choose. Is it at on a very small scale? for the most part, yes...but think about it this way. When will it be TOO large of a scale? If you let it get to that point...will you be ABLE to say no or will that right have already been taken from you?

We live in a nation that is leaning ever closer to a (forgive the overused term) nanny state. Too many feel that it's much easier to throw money at the government, and let THEM make the big decisions for us, because many from the younger generations are USED to mommy and daddy being there to pick them up when they screw up. Too many from the younger generations have the belief that life is fair...because in their tiny little world mommy and daddy KEEP it fair. We need to step back and help our children learn to pick themselves up, work hard, feel what it's like to make the wrong decision but still have the CHOICE to make it.

Is this a bit "overkill" for a thread that is all about a Happy Meal? Maybe...but it's one of many steps that this nation has taken in the wrong direction for FAR too many years now...and there is still no outrage. Stop being lazy people! FIGHT for what too many died to give you.
Write your congressmen and women. CALL your congressmen and women. Protest, stand up in the open and say no, encouraging others who think like you to do the same. Be as LOUD as the other side and be heard, because the reality is that our numbers are much bigger than they know. Vote.

That is all. Rant over. This type of stuff just sets me off. Sorry...

Winnie

04-28-2010, 03:10 PM

Trabitha, Well said!
I put my thoughts very badly using the bean analogy, you've put the whole thing into context. Thankyou!

2dumb2kwit

04-28-2010, 03:23 PM

Trabitha, Well said!
I put my thoughts very badly using the bean analogy, you've put the whole thing into context. Thankyou!

Make that two of us!

Dang...if I could make my points that well, I'd only have about 37 post, on this forum.:blushing: LOL

Trabitha

04-28-2010, 03:34 PM

LOL! Glad I could help.

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 04:02 PM

Trabitha

04-28-2010, 04:11 PM

Nothing there is news to us, B. It's not up to the government to tell us what we can or can not put into our mouths just because we are a nation of fatties. That's what's cool about America. We can CHOOSE to be fat if we want. The only reason it's becoming a regulatory issue NOW is because in a few years Obama-care will be footing the bill for many of those who have obesity issues. Taking away the temptation is not going to stop the problem. We all learned moderation when we were young...or we SHOULD have. Taking away temptation while you are young will not eliminate it. In fact it will make it worse. When you're out and about as an adult with your own money, and no education on those types of things, you don't know when to stop. Taking this tool from parents is a step backwards.

Don't you see the way things are going? Government takes over Insurance and now forces their will on the private sector further so they can save some cash...that's not right.

Winnie

04-28-2010, 04:15 PM

As far as I'm concerned Bee, there is no solution that I can see. Until folk can learn moderation in all things, I doubt there will. I also don't think it's up to a govt to attempt to resolve these issues with legislation.
I'm still getting my head round the constitution and laws in the US, but I do know our Human Rights to a degree. I may not necessarily agree with, in this case some peoples diet, but I would defend their right to eat what they want, even if it killed them. It's down to choice and a persons rights, that is what is worth defending. JMO.

2dumb2kwit

04-28-2010, 04:20 PM

What would be your solution (if any) to the way things stand now?

OBESITY IN THE US (fact highlights):

"Obesity in the United States has been increasingly cited as a major health issue in recent decades. While many industrialized countries have experienced similar increases, obesity rates in the United States are among the highest in the world with 64% of adults being overweight or obese, and 26% are obese.

Estimates of the number of obese American adults have been steadily expanding, from 19.4% in 1997, 24.5% in 2004 to 26.6% in 2007. Should current trends continue, 75% of adults in the United States are projected to be overweight and 41% obese by 2015.

The direct medical cost of obesity and indirect economic loss to obesity has been estimated to be as high as $51.64 billion and $99.2 billion in 1995, respectively; this rose to $61 billion and $117 billion in 2000.
Researchers for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and RTI International estimate that in 2003, obesity-attributable medical expenditures reached $75 billion."

Full story here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States

I think my answer to this, is also he answer to a lot of this country's problems. Stop shielding people from the consequences of their actions. People must be held responsible for their actions. And yes, this also means being responsible for the cost of your own health care.

I get so tired of people using the reasoning, that "it cost us all". You can't stop everybody from making mistakes, but you can dang sure stop taking my money to pay for them! I think that when people start paying for their mistakes, you'd be amazed at how many fewer mistakes get made.:innocent:

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 04:22 PM

Trabitha, I only asked if you personally had a solution. Or even saw the need for one.
My intention was not to rehash the same rhetoric that we've already covered. I got that.

Ken

04-28-2010, 05:33 PM

Trabitha, I only asked if you personally had a solution. Or even saw the need for one.
My intention was not to rehash the same rhetoric that we've already covered. I got that.

I've got a solution!

It's called "personal responsibility." If I choose to eat like a pig and to become a fat slob, or, alternatively, a drug addict, or to smoke myself to a crisp, that's my choice and my responsibility. I am responsible for the consequences of my choices and actions.

Concerned about the effects on health insurance costs? Adjust health insurance rates in accordance with lifestyle choices. That Whopper is gonna' end up costing some folks a lot more than a few dollars.

Ken

04-28-2010, 05:37 PM

As far as kids go, give THE CHILDREN up to age 18 universal health insurance coverage. When you turn 18, you become responsible for your own choices and actions - even the ones you (or your parents) made when you were 12.

Again, it's called "personal responsibility."

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 05:38 PM

I've got a solution!

It's called "personal responsibility." If I choose to eat like a pig and to become a fat slob, or, alternatively, a drug addict, or to smoke myself to a crisp, that's my choice and my responsibility. I am responsible for the consequences of my choices and actions.

Concerned about the effects on health insurance costs? Adjust health insurance rates in accordance with lifestyle choices. That Whopper is gonna' end up costing some folks a lot more than a few dollars.

Couldn't agree more!!! A win-win all around.

When you choose the behavior, you choose the consequences. That truly IS personal responsibility.

2dumb2kwit

04-28-2010, 05:45 PM

*Thump, Thump, Thump* Hello....is this thing on???:innocent:

Ken

04-28-2010, 05:53 PM

Remember this bucket of sh*t? Manuel Uribe from Mexico?

I watched a TV program about the guy. As he was moaning about his weight, someone handed him a plate with more food than I eat in a week. I didn't see anyone holding a gun to his head as he ate it all.

And what happened next? About 20 guys loaded the whale into a truck and hauled him to a hospital, where he kept eating food that was snuck in for him.

I had two other another ideas - each was much less expensive, too.

1. Keep him locked in a room with an armed guard at the door and only give the slob 1,000 calories a day of healthy food. Shoot anyone who even comes near the door with a pizza.

2. Let him stay in the room and explode.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OerJj_q1cfQ/SeAxpkUlLMI/AAAAAAAAABo/IzFyl00ixME/s320/Fat+man.jpg

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 05:58 PM

Remember this bucket of sh*t? Manuel Uribe from Mexico?

An abomination, really.
I like your solution.

Ken

04-28-2010, 05:59 PM

An abomination, really.

Now picture him in a thong.............. :innocent:

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 06:03 PM

Now picture him in a thong.............. :innocent:

Couldn't be much worse even if you could see it.

Camp10

04-28-2010, 06:23 PM

*Thump, Thump, Thump* Hello....is this thing on???:innocent:

Yeah, I hear you! Couldn't rep you though....I'll have to spread some.

2dumb2kwit

04-28-2010, 06:33 PM

Yeah, I hear you! Couldn't rep you though....I'll have to spread some.

I guess that's why Ken gets the big bucks. He can say the same thing that I say, but do it well enough that people think he's a genyus.....jeenous....real smart guy!:blushing:LOL

Camp10

04-28-2010, 06:42 PM

Concerned about the effects on health insurance costs? Adjust health insurance rates in accordance with lifestyle choices. That Whopper is gonna' end up costing some folks a lot more than a few dollars.

But who is in charge of deciding what is a healthy lifestyle? One day eggs are good for you, the next they are bad... When I go snowshoing for a weekend, I will eat lots of starchy foods and fatty meat. Is this unhealthy? I should be able to decide for myself what I eat. I would guess that a salad or tofu turd would be far less healthy for me to eat when I might hike for 16 hours and not get another meal for a day! Just my opinion.

Ken

04-28-2010, 06:47 PM

A simple blood test can determine if you smoke. A blood test (or hair follicle test) can determine if you use drugs. A scale can determine if you are overweight or underweight. Testing for alcohol abuse and high cholesterol intake is easy, too.

I try to keep things simple when possible.

2dumb2kwit

04-28-2010, 06:53 PM

But who is in charge of deciding what is a healthy lifestyle? One day eggs are good for you, the next they are bad... When I go snowshoing for a weekend, I will eat lots of starchy foods and fatty meat. Is this unhealthy? I should be able to decide for myself what I eat. I would guess that a salad or tofu turd would be far less healthy for me to eat when I might hike for 16 hours and not get another meal for a day! Just my opinion.

Excellent point! If someone sits on their arse all day, they will get fat on 1,800 calories. If some of our soldiers only ate 1,800 calories a day, they would starve to death.

Yeah...I'm out of shape now, but I remember when I would barely maintain my weight, eating 4,500 calories a day.

Ole WV Coot

04-28-2010, 06:56 PM

Welcome to the USA, United Socialists of America. I wouldn't want to be 50yrs younger today. That you can take to the bank, if you can find one.

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 07:54 PM

crashdive123

04-28-2010, 08:48 PM

Ken

04-28-2010, 08:55 PM

Wouldn't that constitute 4th Amendment violations?

Not so long as insurance is PRIVATE. :innocent:

crashdive123

04-28-2010, 08:59 PM

Not so long as insurance is PRIVATE. :innocent:

Yeah well................:blushing::innocent::blushing:

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 09:03 PM

Wouldn't that constitute 4th Amendment violations?

They sort of do it when you are being considered for Life Ins. You have to give blood up front and pay higher premiums if you're a smoker or engage in extreme sports.

Rick

04-28-2010, 09:05 PM

I thought smoking was an extreme sport.

2dumb2kwit

04-28-2010, 09:10 PM

Put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is pardner. :winkiss:

What the heck are you talking about??

You've already started drinking...haven't you?:innocent:

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 09:14 PM

What the heck are you talking about??

You've already started drinking...haven't you?:innocent:

No, but NOW I do.

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 09:21 PM

Excellent point! If someone sits on their arse all day, they will get fat on 1,800 calories. If some of our soldiers only ate 1,800 calories a day, they would starve to death.

Yeah...I'm out of shape now, but I remember when I would barely maintain my weight, eating 4,500 calories a day.

If the tests show you're healthy even sitting on your a$$, you've got nothing to worry about. However if they come back loaded with red flags, guess what?...YOU'RE paying higher premiums, not I. Therefore...Put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is.

That's what I'm talking about.

2dumb2kwit

04-28-2010, 09:41 PM

That's what I'm talking about.

The problem is, I'm putting my money where my mouth is, and having my money taken away from me, and put where someone else's mouth is.

BENESSE

04-28-2010, 09:54 PM

The problem is, I'm putting my money where my mouth is, and having my money taken away from me, and put where someone else's mouth is.

We still talkin' food?

2dumb2kwit

04-28-2010, 09:58 PM

We still talkin' food?

Bad, B........bad, bad, bad!:sneaky2:LOL

LowKey

04-28-2010, 09:59 PM

It's all marketing. All of it. From the food, to the health insurance, to the perception of the government they want you to see, or what the other guys want you to see, and beyond. Someone is always trying to get you to 'buy' something, whether it's a consumable or a way of thinking. It's all in learning to think for yourselves. Most on this forum do that. It's all the numpties out there that can't figure out hot coffee is hot or that icy stairs are slippery that mess it up for the rest of us. A little personal responsibility and a little more common sense is what is needed. Or just let Darwinism take a hand a little more often rather than legislating and litigating things to death.

Where does personal freedom start or end? Handing over hair for a drug test? Stepping on a scale? Being given a can labeled "Good Food" and being expected to eat it? You do realize that everyone will be tested, not just those that are suspect, right?

Besides, I like my canned baked beans to include sugar, and salt pork. Out of the can. For my convenience. That is my choice. I don't want to take the time to add the stuff. That would be inconvenient. Sometimes they get eaten right out of the can. Unheated. Away from home. Why is telling me to add the stuff any different than telling me I can't have it ready-made because it is bad for YOU?

This thread shows many symptoms of the wider problem of not seeing the forest for the me's.

Rick

04-28-2010, 11:31 PM

You eat unheated beans out of the can?......away from home? I knew you were uncivilized. I'll be you lick your fingers away from home, too.

LowKey

04-29-2010, 08:03 PM

Yup!
Maybe at home too, but not where the neighbors can see.

Rick

04-29-2010, 08:05 PM

And this from a guy that pees off the back porch.

LowKey

04-29-2010, 08:11 PM

Over the boat rail maybe. Not the porch rail. Don't have a porch. Yet. It's on the "You owe us rent" list.

Rick

04-29-2010, 08:14 PM

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