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Did you know that US federal lighting efficiency standards that start in 2012 effectively ban the manufacture of incandescent lightbulbs? :sneaky2:
Yep. In 2012, the 100-watt incandescents we have used for decades will no longer be made, with 75-watt bulbs phasing out in 2013, and 60- and 40-watt bulbs disappearing in 2014. It's all part of The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. Incandescent bulbs simply can't be manufactured to comply with the provisions of this law scheduled to go into effect in 2012.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Independence_and_Security_Act_of_2007
Instead, you'll be able to purchase compact fluorescents (CFLs) or LED bulbs, neither of which provides the "warm" light of an incandescent lightbulb.
I wonder if Congress and the President are exempt from THIS law. :innocent:
Ken thinks that it's time to start buying and hoarding incandescent lightbulbs. About 3 lifetime's worth. :sneaky2:
Check out what's happening in Europe: http://www.thefreemanonline.org/anything-peaceful/light-bulb-hoarding/
Alaskan Survivalist
04-13-2010, 01:50 AM
Thanks for the heads up. What's next?
I suspect that eventually they're gonna' figure out that fewer people will consume fewer resources. That's good for the environment. Right? :innocent:
Then they'll figure out that people will simply die off if there's not enough oxygen to go around. Right? :innocent:
Trees produce oxygen. Right? :innocent:
My guess is that their next step will be to ban trees. :sneaky2:
A video about the Light Bulb Nanny State:
http://www.breitbart.tv/light-bulbs-vs-the-nanny-state-reasontv-illuminates-the-cfl-push/
Camp10
04-13-2010, 05:47 AM
I hope the LED's perform better as outside lights than the CFL's do. When it gets real cold, the CFL's are not so good. Thanks for the warning Ken, I just hope lots and lots of these new rules and regs go away in 1013!!
BENESSE
04-13-2010, 07:44 AM
With so many things to hoard, before you know it, you home will start looking like a Home Depot.
Where does one draw the line seriously?
BLEUXDOG
04-13-2010, 08:05 AM
With so many things to hoard, before you know it, you home will start looking like a Home Depot.
Where does one draw the line seriously?
When it starts looking like Lowes.:blushing:
crashdive123
04-13-2010, 08:13 AM
The surprising thing about this law (well, OK - maybe not all that surprising) was that after its passage - when those that voted for it were asked how they thought their voters would react to not having the choice to buy incandescent lights - their response - What are you talking about? We never said they couldn't buy them. It would be refreshing if it was required to read and understand legislation before you voted on it.
canid
04-13-2010, 09:10 AM
It would be refreshing if it was required to read and understand legislation before you voted on it.
that's so crazy it just might work.
as for loosing incandescent bulbs; i haven't managed to buy a decent one in years anyway. they don't seem to last 1/4 as long as they used to, and a mild sneeze in the other room will break the element.
gryffynklm
04-13-2010, 09:17 AM
We go through light bulbs a lot. The main road is maybe 20ft from the house and we get a lot of logging trucks passing by. You can feel it. The vibration does in the elements i think.
Justin Case
04-13-2010, 09:19 AM
Ken thinks that it's time to start buying and hoarding incandescent lightbulbs. About 3 lifetime's worth. :sneaky2:
Why ? The new ones are better and more energy efficient, and you wont burn your fingers on them ,, lol
crashdive123
04-13-2010, 11:00 AM
Why ? The new ones are better and more energy efficient, and you wont burn your fingers on them ,, lol
While I use them quite a bit, they do have some drawbacks.
Disposal - very expensive to properly dispose of them. Throwing them in the trash probably has a bigger impact on the environment than we yet have a full understanding of. Drop a few boxes or case of them in the store? Hazmat costs will be excessive.
Cost - While they cost more - they last longer - so it balances out right? Not always. Many CFL's are not meant to be constantly turned on and off. By doing so, the life span of them can be drastically reduced.
Health effects - some have an adverse reaction to being in close proximity to the harsh white light for extended periods.
Suitability in all environments - cold temps decrease their effectiveness.
For me, much of the hype over incandescent bulbs was hype based on junk science. Bureaucrats, in a knee jerk reaction to placate a powerful lobbying sector passed legislation that will have many unintended negative consequences.
Justin Case
04-13-2010, 11:09 AM
all good points,, I tend to look at it like a Natural transition as was going from oil lamps to light bulbs , :blushing:
crashdive123
04-13-2010, 11:12 AM
And you may well be right. The technology of lighting is advancing. I guess my whole point is - if they are such a great thing (or as they become a great thing), then let the marketplace decide, not the government. There was no law requiring everybody to buy an automobile, and yet the buggy whip industry gradually was left by the wayside.
Justin Case
04-13-2010, 11:14 AM
And you may well be right. The technology of lighting is advancing. I guess my whole point is - if they are such a great thing (or as they become a great thing), then let the marketplace decide, not the government. There was no law requiring everybody to buy an automobile, and yet the buggy whip industry gradually was left by the wayside.
Another GOOD point !
hunter63
04-13-2010, 12:38 PM
I occurs to me that continuing the passage of "nanny state" type laws, allows politicians to make claims on what a good job they are doing, avoiding the tough issues.
It also occurs to me that there is a part of the population that likes the candles, oil lamps, and now Plain Old Light Bulbs.
Badawg
04-13-2010, 01:11 PM
It's not gonna matter as in December of 2012, We all gonna die anyway:alien:
2dumb2kwit
04-13-2010, 02:05 PM
all good points,, I tend to look at it like a Natural transition as was going from oil lamps to light bulbs , :blushing:
Oil lamps weren't outlawed.:innocent:
Ya see, the problem is that not enough people think through all the consequences. This law, and what people think of it, are just another example of that.
2dumb2kwit
04-13-2010, 02:13 PM
In 20 years, when huge numbers of people suffer from sight problems, will "big energy savers" (Think big oil, big tobacco, etc.) be the bad guys, and be sued for untold billions of dollars?
When a guys cfl doesn't come on, in the cold, and he walks out on his back porch, slips on the ice he didn't see, and breaks his neck....who does he sue? Same situation....guy gets eaten by a bear that he didn't know was in his yard.
Does this all sound silly???? Tell me...one in how many people that have Toyotas were killed by a defective accelerator? Think about it.
2dumb2kwit
04-13-2010, 02:15 PM
How many people will become sick, because of the production of, or the disposal of, the poisons that are in cfl's???
I could always hold a screwdriver by it's tip and use it as a hammer. Really, I could. And screwdrivers usually cost far less than hammers do. They're lighter to carry, take up less space, and can also be used as chisels. Heck, you can even turn a screw with one! :)
Why would anyone possibly want to buy a hammer?
BENESSE
04-13-2010, 02:32 PM
I could always hold a screwdriver by it's tip and use it as a hammer. Really, I could. And screwdrivers usually cost far less than hammers do. They're lighter to carry, take up less space, and can also be used as chisels. Heck, you can even turn a screw with one! :)
Why would anyone possibly want to buy a hammer?
Huh?
Talking from a left field by the way of a back alley.
2dumb2kwit
04-13-2010, 02:41 PM
Huh?
Talking from a left field by the way of a back alley.
OK, let me 'splain. Wait...that would take to long......let me sum-up.
It's about being able to choose the right tool for the job. The person doing the job, just may know what they need, better than some bozo in DC.:innocent:
(How'd I do, Ken???)
Huh?
Talking from a left field by the way of a back alley.
No, no, no. Just trying to prove the point that some tools do a job better than others. The CFLs and LEDs simply can't do the job as well as incandescents.
Think about it:
Who wants to wait 3 minutes for a light to get bright enough to use it?
Who wants to get the eye strain typically caused by CFLs and LEDs?
Who wants to rely on a bulb that often fails in cold weather?
Who wants to deal with the toxicity issues and envirnmental issues associated with CFLs and LEDs?
Who wants to pay far more for something that doesn't do nearly as good a job as the thing it replaced?
You want to make things more energy efficient? Turn out the effin lights when you're the last one to leave a room! Try using motion detectors to control outside lighting! Does every room in your house need a light on at night? How about solar powered outside lights as your primary landscape lighting?
I have a friend who lives in a 12 room home. He lives alone 2/3 of the time. Drive up to it at night, and there's a light on in every room. In the summer, all 4 zones of his central air conditioning are set at 62 degrees. He was just b*tchin about his last monthly electric bill of $600+. In the summer it's double that amount.
(How'd I do, Ken???)
Real good, 2dumb! :innocent: Sounded just like me. :blushing:
I really gotta' stop takin' business calls while I'm trying to post here. :sneaky2:
Justin Case
04-13-2010, 03:04 PM
LED LED LED ! :)
http://www.eartheasy.com/live_energyeff_lighting.htm
The defense Rests ,,:smash::smash: :innocent:
LED LED LED ! :)
http://www.eartheasy.com/live_energyeff_lighting.htm
The defense Rests ,,:smash::smash: :innocent:
Hey "Mr. defense," ya' know what?
We used to have them lousy incandescent light bulbs in our traffic lights here in Mass. Terrible waste of energy. Most of that energy was wasted in heat rather than light. So we switched to LEDs! :)
Just one problem........... Before, when it used to snow, the heat from the incandescent bulbs would melt the snow from the traffic lights. Darn thing is, them LEDs run so cool that, when it snows now, many of our traffic lights get covered with snow and you don't know if the light's green, yellow, or red. Combine that with folks who can't drive in snow in the first place, and we have more accidents at intersections now. :)
That's the very thing traffic lights are intended to prevent, ain't it? :innocent:
2dumb2kwit
04-13-2010, 03:23 PM
Hey "Mr. defense," ya' know what?
We used to have them lousy incandescent light bulbs in our traffic lights here in Mass. Terrible waste of energy. Most of that energy was wasted in heat rather than light. So we switched to LEDs! :)
Just one problem........... Before, when it used to snow, the heat from the incandescent bulbs would melt the snow from the traffic lights. Darn thing is, them LEDs run so cool that, when it snows now, many of our traffic lights get covered with snow and you don't know if the light's green, yellow, or red. Combine that with folks who can't drive in snow in the first place, and we have more accidents at intersections now. :)
That's the very thing traffic lights are intended to prevent, ain't it? :innocent:
See what I mean! They're killin' people!:sneaky2::innocent:
(They, being the global warming, green extremist.)
Justin Case
04-13-2010, 03:26 PM
Hey "Mr. defense," ya' know what?
We used to have them lousy incandescent light bulbs in our traffic lights here in Mass. Terrible waste of energy. Most of that energy was wasted in heat rather than light. So we switched to LEDs! :)
Just one problem........... Before, when it used to snow, the heat from the incandescent bulbs would melt the snow from the traffic lights. Darn thing is, them LEDs run so cool that, when it snows now, many of our traffic lights get covered with snow and you don't know if the light's green, yellow, or red. Combine that with folks who can't drive in snow in the first place, and we have more accidents at intersections now. :)
That's the very thing traffic lights are intended to prevent, ain't it? :innocent:
http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/heated_20traffic_20light_20lens
:smash:
:innocent:
Justin Case
04-13-2010, 03:28 PM
ohhh,, this one is BETTER ! where do you live ? http://www.uppermichiganssource.com/news/story.aspx?id=391632
Snip
MDOT will continue to install LED traffic signals. If snow does become a problem, they will add heated lenses or custom shields to block the snow.
:smash::innocent:
2dumb2kwit
04-13-2010, 03:33 PM
ohhh,, this one is BETTER ! where do you live ? http://www.uppermichiganssource.com/news/story.aspx?id=391632
Snip
MDOT will continue to install LED traffic signals. If snow does become a problem, they will add heated lenses or custom shields to block the snow.
:smash::innocent:
At what cost? Will it take more energy to heat the lenses than they saved with the lightbulbs?
And let me hijack my own thread for a moment..........
Don't you just LOVE the high intensity emergency lights thy use on police vehicles these days? Heck, you can see them for MILES! And they're energy efficient, too!
Just don't get within a hundred yards of them, because you'll probably get blinded and crash your car into something like, maybe, the guy who was driving the police car. :innocent:
Which brings me to yet another hijack.............
Why do fire trucks and ambulances and police cars need TWO OR THREE sirens? They make such a racket that you often can't even tell which direction they're coming from. And don't ya' just love it when the guy operating the siren plays with the controls, trying to create a different sound every couple of seconds?
2dumb2kwit
04-13-2010, 03:35 PM
Oh, Oh, Oh,....LED's won't keep baby ducks warm...so instead of just a light bulb, Ken will need to have a lightbulb and a heater.:innocent: LOL
http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/heated_20traffic_20light_20lens
:smash:
:innocent:
Great! One more item to pay for! One more item to maintain! One more thing to break down just when you need it!
And how can it be cheaper to continuously heat at least THREE lenses all winter long instead of just letting the light bulbs do the job one at a time?
Be honest. You work for the guvment, don't ya', Justin? ARE YOU A CONGRESSMAN? :sneaky2:
Justin Case
04-13-2010, 03:40 PM
And let me hijack my own thread for a moment..........
Don't you just LOVE the high intensity emergency lights thy use on police vehicles these days? Heck, you can see them for MILES! And they're energy efficient, too!
Just don't get within a hundred yards of them, because you'll probably get blinded and crash your car into something like, maybe, the guy who was driving the police car. :innocent:
Which brings me to yet another hijack.............
Why do fire trucks and ambulances and police cars need TWO OR THREE sirens? They make such a racket that you often can't even tell which direction they're coming from. And don't ya' just love it when the guy operating the siren plays with the controls, trying to create a different sound every couple of seconds?
Because people use a defense of "I didnt hear it" when they get tagged for Failure to yeild,, etc,, There are protocols in place,, they must be a certain decibel, also,, the reason they oscillate is so they will hit every tone for people that may be deaf to certain tones,, as for the bright lights,,,, i know they the units that change the traffic lights to green for emergency vehicles is often done by detecting a white light flashing at a certain frequency,,, some switch when a siren is put into the "Yelp" setting,, but those are not that reliable,
.........they will hit every tone for people that may be deaf to certain tones....
And if they ain't deaf BEFORE the trucks go by, they'll sure as hell be deaf AFTER they go by. :sneaky2:
BENESSE
04-13-2010, 03:46 PM
I'm going for a beer run.
Anybody want anything?
Justin Case
04-13-2010, 03:46 PM
And if they ain't deaf BEFORE the trucks go by, they'll sure as hell be deaf AFTER they go by. :sneaky2:
Thats true ! lol
Justin Case
04-13-2010, 03:47 PM
I'm going for a beer run.
Anybody want anything?
Just Beer :)
Justin Case
04-13-2010, 03:48 PM
Oh, Oh, Oh,....LED's won't keep baby ducks warm...so instead of just a light bulb, Ken will need to have a lightbulb and a heater.:innocent: LOL
Dont say that,, he might sit on them to keep them warm , :sneaky2:
I'm going for a beer run.
Anybody want anything?
Shrimp cocktail. Extra sauce, horseradish, and tabasco, please. And a Baked Stuffed Lobster (a 3-pounder would be just about right :innocent:) with fries. Please don't forget the drawn butter. And some of them hot little rolls or corn bread with honey-butter! Maybe some corn-on-the-cob and some creamed spinach as side dishes. Creme Brulee and espresso for De-Sert. And maybe a snifter of Fonseca 20 Year Old Tawny Port to top it off. :innocent:
Oh yeah, the beer......... I'm in the mood for a Red Stripe today. In fact, make it a six-pack, okay? :)
Justin Case
04-13-2010, 04:12 PM
And a Bag of Jerky Please,,,,, I will pay you back,, Promise,, :blushing:
BENESSE
04-13-2010, 04:16 PM
Shrimp cocktail. Extra sauce, horseradish, and tabasco, please. And a Baked Stuffed Lobster (a 3-pounder would be just about right :innocent:) with fries. Please don't forget the drawn butter. And some of them hot little rolls or corn bread with honey-butter! Maybe some corn-on-the-cob and some creamed spinach as side dishes. Creme Brulee and espresso for De-Sert. And maybe a snifter of Fonseca 20 Year Old Tawny Port to top it off. :innocent:
Oh yeah, the beer......... I'm in the mood for a Red Stripe today. In fact, make it a six-pack, okay? :)
How about a big diet coke?:)
Don't want to contribute to a delinquency of someone on the wagon.
How about a big diet coke?:)
Instead of what? The espresso? Call it a caffine exchange? :innocent:
2dumb2kwit
04-13-2010, 05:36 PM
Shrimp cocktail. Extra sauce, horseradish, and tabasco, please. And a Baked Stuffed Lobster (a 3-pounder would be just about right :innocent:) with fries. Please don't forget the drawn butter. And some of them hot little rolls or corn bread with honey-butter! Maybe some corn-on-the-cob and some creamed spinach as side dishes. Creme Brulee and espresso for De-Sert. And maybe a snifter of Fonseca 20 Year Old Tawny Port to top it off. :innocent:
Oh yeah, the beer......... I'm in the mood for a Red Stripe today. In fact, make it a six-pack, okay? :)
You pig. We're supposed to be losing a few pounds, and getting in shape!:sneaky2:
B, if you'll leave the fries off, I'll have what Ken is having.:innocent: LOL
hunter63
04-13-2010, 05:54 PM
LOL, like that's gonna help the diet........Like waiting in line, listening to someone order, triple burger super-sized fries, and a Diet Big gulp, whatch the diet, you know................
Just beer here, gonna be 5 o-clock in a couple of min...................Thanks!
lucznik
04-13-2010, 06:36 PM
...after its passage - when those that voted for it were asked how they thought their voters would react to not having the choice to buy incandescent lights - their response - What are you talking about? We never said they couldn't buy them. It would be refreshing if it was required to read and understand legislation before you voted on it.
You just need to learn to speak better politician-ese.
The legislation just makes it illegal to manufacture incandescent bulbs. It never says that people can't buy them.
Of course, the one eventually results in the other by default, but in a politician's world, they are still very different things.
Storing a sufficient supply of bulbs is going to be quite a challenge. Oh well, on the bright side there now at least is yet another small way for me to demonstrate my defiance toward liberal "thinking."
Sourdough
04-13-2010, 07:17 PM
It will not matter when the grid fries, world wide.
BENESSE
04-13-2010, 07:34 PM
It will not matter when the grid fries, world wide.
And there you have it boyz 'n girlz.
I think we can put this matter to bed and move on.
Justin Case
04-13-2010, 07:38 PM
without incandescent heat lamps your Fries will get cold :cold:
BLEUXDOG
04-13-2010, 09:35 PM
I guess this means my Easy Bake oven won't work any more!:sneaky2:
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I guess this means my Easy Bake oven won't work any more!:sneaky2:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513lVumz4gL._AA260_.jpg
My cousin got one of them the same Christmas I got this:
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Launching planes and eating hot brownies. That was the life! :innocent:
Tripwire
04-13-2010, 10:29 PM
A case of 120 130v 60w bulbs cost me $40
They will last me the rest of my days
justin_baker
04-13-2010, 11:57 PM
CFL light bulbs are HORRIBLE. I get up to take a pee in the night and it takes like 10 seconds before i can actually see what im doing. (All new homes built in CA have to be built with CFL bulbs. Thats california for ya......)
krazykangaroo
04-14-2010, 03:11 AM
In Australia we have had a ban on incandescents (except for specialised ones) for a couple of years. Flourescents may take a few more seconds to brighten but they are quite fine. There was no problems changing over.
Just as good as the incandescents in my opinion.
Rowan
Camp10
04-14-2010, 05:50 AM
A case of 120 130v 60w bulbs cost me $40
They will last me the rest of my days
130v bulbs last for a very long time. People complain about their bulbs not lasting long but they buy the 115v bulbs and run them in their house. If you check your house voltage it is probably close to 123v. This is the voltage we aim for here in Maine. If you are way out on the end of a line, you might be fine with the cheap ones but if you are anyplace where the power company cares about, those bulbs wont take the voltage for long.
Camp10
04-14-2010, 05:56 AM
It will not matter when the grid fries, world wide.
I think it's close around here! People are fighting hard to keep the company from building new transmission lines and the existing ones are 40-60 years old. They get very overloaded through the summer months. There are very little if any east-west 115kv lines in Maine and all the wind farms are popping up where there is no real way to get them on the grid.
Batch
04-14-2010, 07:59 PM
Incandescent flat suck in energy efficiency. If I remember correctly, the most efficient lose 60% to heat loss and more typically its 80%.
But, when you factor efficiency and environmental impact it requires doing so for all parts from start to finish. Also, disposal after life use.
Also to my knowledge it is cool white lighting that causes eye strain. Daylight bulbs more closely replicate sunlight and are better for the eyes.
Ya' know, everyone talks about the "heat loss" from incandescent bulbs. Most of us spend a lot more time indoors, with the lights on, during the short cold days of winter than the long warm days of summer. So, is that heat really lost, or is it helping to heat our homes?
hoosierarcher
04-14-2010, 08:56 PM
Ken why don't you contest this as unconstitutional? They don't ban cigarettes but they can ban lightbulbs that work better than what they want to replace them with? GRRRRRRRRRRR I love my country but I sure fear/loathe my government and their seeming desire to micromanage our lives.
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