Thinking it through.

[Sarge47]

Most of you know my definition of Survival; in the broad sense, it's making it through the day alive; in the narrower sense it depends on the situation.

Having said that I am concerned that some on here have not thought it through. Yes, it's true that survival skills will come into play when TSHTF, IF & ONLY IF you've prepared for that eventuality properly! Here's some thoughts:

1.) BOB vehicle loaded up: Concerns: How will I get through all of the traffic that will obviously be "bugging out" as well? What if an EMP weapon has been used & now my vehicle is nothing more than an emergency shelter? What if the authorities are containing all civilians & are barring all escape routes with armed troops?

2.) How will I keep an adequate supply of food & water available? Wild edibles are only good for a limited time, what if it's winter? How long can I expect to graze off of the local vegetation before it's gone, especially with all of the other people doing the same thing? (To quote Remy: "The forest is NOT a supermarket.")

3.) Why do I think I can survive without help from others?

Right now there's a thread on surviving flooding. How many other disasters can you think of? We've recently had a minor earthquake here. What about toxic spills in your area? These are concerns that need to be addressed, not just "big Brother!" :cool2:

[Sourdough]

Sarge, For me, my highest risk is clearly body malfunction. Caused by truck crash, bear mauling, cancer, stroke, logging injury, etc. & the economic destruction that would accompany that because I have "NO" health insurance, and never have had any medical insurance.

My second highest risk is forest fire.

My third highest risk is that is not being able to survive the erosion of my very small social security income, either because of Hyper-Inflation, or insolvency of Social Security.

[your_comforting_company]

1.) BOB vehicle loaded up: Concerns: How will I get through all of the traffic that will obviously be "bugging out" as well? What if an EMP weapon has been used & now my vehicle is nothing more than an emergency shelter? What if the authorities are containing all civilians & are barring all escape routes with armed troops?

2.) How will I keep an adequate supply of food & water available? Wild edibles are only good for a limited time, what if it's winter? How long can I expect to graze off of the local vegetation before it's gone, especially with all of the other people doing the same thing? (To quote Remy: "The forest is NOT a supermarket.")

3.) Why do I think I can survive without help from others?

Right now there's a thread on surviving flooding. How many other disasters can you think of? We've recently had a minor earthquake here. What about toxic spills in your area? These are concerns that need to be addressed, not just "big Brother!" :cool2:

1.) I actually expect to have to walk anyway, and I know a wooded path to get me there so I can stay off main roads, etc. You can't drive where I'm going anyway, so a vehicle is pretty useless. Armed troops, will pose little more than an inconvenience unless they are posted AT my door.

2.) I don't know about everyone else, but my location has plenty of good things to eat and fresh water running year round. Springs don't freeze and there are always fish available. For all the people I've talked to locally about such things, Noone else seems concerned even a little bit. I'm sure there will be plenty of other people to eat if I run out of fish and veggies. I had to contact the state university to even find someone remotely near my area to help me learn wild edibles. Nobody cares and nobody will be eating them. Folks around here will starve to death or poison themselves and be food for me. Which poses another question: How do you feel about eating people? I've heard folks taste like pork. yummy! :tongue_smilie:

3.) I think I will have no choice, other than to fend for myself for the reason stated above. Nobody else knows squat about surviving, nor do they care to learn. Who will help me? Who will I be able to rely on?
I know I can count on myself.

I realize the questions were really rhetoric, but I really wanted to lend some light from my side of the river, err, creek, err.. These are things I've thought about long and hard, and I've got a plan.
Am I ready if it happens tomorrow? probably not, but, by God, I will do my best. Never underestimate a person's will to live!
Short of Nuclear war, or intentional poisoning of the underground aquifers, I believe I could make due. Farmers pump enough toxic junk into the ground now, that it would take a great deal of toxicity and thorough planning to really destroy this place. I can think of lots of disasters that might cause me to have to leave, but none will destroy me completely except for the cataclysmic events I've pointed out. Mostly it IS situation dependent. I tell you what.. If you can get to my house, you can go with me and help :D
And who's really gonna go after a buncha dumba** rednecks anyway?:bat:

[Tripwire]

1.) What if an EMP weapon has been used

2.) How will I keep an adequate supply of food & water available?

3.) Why do I think I can survive without help from others?


1) Got points, and a carb, My truck will run. It only has to make it less than 50 miles to the BOL staging area. It will be left there, If I have to move into the bush.
There is no reason why you can buy a $500 70s beater truck. They are everywhere around here.

2) We have enough food to last months, by then we will have crops in the ground, and meat in the cache. Water is everywhere.

3) We already have a network built. We will live, and if necessary, die together.

[Rick]

To answer your last question of what other disasters, there are several listed in this thread.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1929&highlight=disaster+definitions

[mountain mama]

What year model vehicles would survive an EMP?

[Rick]

It's a good question, MM. It really depends on the make but, in general, 1975 is sort of a rule of thumb. Chrysler started using electronic ignition in '72, Ford in '74. I have no idea when GM went to EI.

It also depends on the type of electronic ignition. There are basically two types. Induction and capacitive discharge (CDI). CDI is what's used in most cars today. CDI started being used in the '80s.

That said, there is a school of thought that any vehicle is safe because the body acts as a Faraday cage and protects all the electronics. In fact, some tests indicate that may be true.

http://empcommission.org/docs/A2473-EMP_Commission-7MB.pdf

Most military vehicles should be protected since that's a known issue and a possible battle scenario. As we said in another thread, you can pick up surplus vehicles all day long for $10-$12K or less. Sometimes much less. I saw a 6x on Craigs List earlier today for 4500 and it was loaded with options like winch, hard top, heater, etc.

[Sourdough]

Most military vehicles should be protected since that's a known issue and a possible battle scenario. As we said in another thread, you can pick up surplus vehicles all day long for $10-$12K or less. Sometimes much less. I saw a 6x on Craigs List earlier today for 4500 and it was loaded with options like winch, hard top, heater, etc.

That is what I paid for my 6X6 Duce & a Half is $4,500.-- Funny thing, it had no registration, so I went to G.I. Joes and bought full woodland camo BDU, shaved my head, and drove it 125 miles to the homestead on July 4'th. People were saluting me or the truck.

[doug1980]

I wonder why we spend so much time preparing and trying to delay the inevitable....death. Why I don't want to die nor do I look for it, but I can't see spending my whole short life thinking about it or trying to prolong it. Up until a few years ago I had no real "faith" but now that I do it has made me value the time I have and not look back or into the future which I can not control. I agree that preparation is good and important but to what extend, to what end. If it's my time to go than so be it all the prep and skills wont do any good. Just seems like people spend a lot of time worrying about their own demise when they have no real control of it any way.

[Sarge47]

1.) I actually expect to have to walk anyway, and I know a wooded path to get me there so I can stay off main roads, etc. You can't drive where I'm going anyway, so a vehicle is pretty useless. Armed troops, will pose little more than an inconvenience unless they are posted AT my door.How many other people know about it? Why would you leave your home?


2.) I don't know about everyone else, but my location has plenty of good things to eat and fresh water running year round. Springs don't freeze and there are always fish available. For all the people I've talked to locally about such things, No one else seems concerned even a little bit.They're not concerned because they don't think it can happen to them. Once that they realize that it can is when the danger really hits.


I'm sure there will be plenty of other people to eat if I run out of fish and veggies. Don't forget the hot sauce!


I had to contact the state university to even find someone remotely near my area to help me learn wild edibles. Nobody cares and nobody will be eating them. Folks around here will starve to death or poison themselves and be food for me.Trust me on this one, when starvation starts to hit everybody will be looking!


Which poses another question: How do you feel about eating people? I've heard folks taste like pork. yummy! :tongue_smilie:Nah, they taste like chicken...or...uh...so I've been told!


3.) I think I will have no choice, other than to fend for myself for the reason stated above. Nobody else knows squat about surviving, nor do they care to learn. Who will help me? Who will I be able to rely on?
I know I can count on myself."No man is an island unto himself." Who watches while you sleep? who's got your back? There's safety in numbers.


I realize the questions were really rhetoric, but I really wanted to lend some light from my side of the river, err, creek, err.. These are things I've thought about long and hard, and I've got a plan. Am I ready if it happens tomorrow? probably not, but, by God, I will do my best. Never underestimate a person's will to live!You can only plan so much, that's my point! The will to live is one thing, the will to survive to a point of satisfaction is something else.


Mostly it IS situation dependent. I tell you what.. If you can get to my house, you can go with me and help :D And who's really gonna go after a bunch of dumb a** rednecks anyway?:bat:1st, I'll be "bugging in! 2nd, who? anybody that wants what you have, & there will be a lot more of them than there are of you! :sneaky2:

[Sarge47]

1) Got points, and a carb, My truck will run. It only has to make it less than 50 miles to the BOL staging area. It will be left there, If I have to move into the bush.
There is no reason why you can buy a $500 70s beater truck. They are everywhere around here.

Don't they all have a magneto? Or no?





To answer your last question of what other disasters, there are several listed in this thread.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1929&highlight=disaster+definitions
Thanks Rick, it's always good to refresh some of the old info from time to time. I never read most of Bragg's stuff so I missed this one! :blushing:

[Sarge47]

I wonder why we spend so much time preparing and trying to delay the inevitable....death. Why I don't want to die nor do I look for it, but I can't see spending my whole short life thinking about it or trying to prolong it. Up until a few years ago I had no real "faith" but now that I do it has made me value the time I have and not look back or into the future which I can not control. I agree that preparation is good and important but to what extend, to what end. If it's my time to go than so be it all the prep and skills wont do any good. Just seems like people spend a lot of time worrying about their own demise when they have no real control of it any way.
I agree with you my self, BTW! :cool2:

[doug1980]

What year model vehicles would survive an EMP?

I always thought that no matter what it is as long as it was off during the EMP attack it would work. Of course I have been wrong before...once or twice. :)

[Winnie]

I'm with Sarge. Because of my situation my plan is to bug in. I'll only bug out if absolutely necessary. Once everything has calmed down I may relocate, and yes I have someone else's property in mind for that.

[wareagle69]

I always thought that no matter what it is as long as it was off during the EMP attack it would work. Of course I have been wrong before...once or twice. :)
nope sorry will not work

Trust me on this one, when starvation starts to hit everybody will be looking! : trust you????ha i don't think so, what is the solid research behind your statement

[/QUOTE]
(To quote Remy: "The forest is NOT a supermarket.")

[/QUOTE]

quite true it is not a supermarket, a supermarket has everything right there ready for you to eat just some simple things to do, the forest however is plentiful if one knows how to look(not where but how)

[Tripwire]

Don't they all have a magneto? Or no?


Nope, A coil, (wire in oil) Mechanical points & condenser (more oil)

http://www.procarcare.com/images/shar/encyclopedia/8852CG01.gif

A mechanical cam rotates the points open and closed

[wareagle69]

my outlook is simple, all i need to do is survival anywhere from one year to two years on what i have stored, lots wil die for many reasons accorrding to some the die offs will come in 3 waves, i think after that the true rebuilding will commence, so yes while the lifestyle you are now accustomed to will be gone another will takes its place.
while the prospects of this is not very pleasant to most, you will at some point become acclimated to this just the same as when you step outside at night and cannot see anything then after a spell it gets better, so will life-if you survive it

[Sourdough]

I'm with Sarge.


I think I'll start drinking early today...........It is Snowing again anyway.

[Rick]

I always thought that no matter what it is as long as it was off during the EMP attack it would work. Of course I have been wrong before...once or twice.

Doug - That is the premise. In the test link I posted above they state the following:

"Automobiles were subjected to EMP environments under both engine turned off and
engine turned on conditions. No effects were subsequently observed in those automobiles that were not turned on during EMP exposure. The most serious effect observed on running automobiles was that the motors in three cars stopped at field strengths of approximately 30 kV/m or above. In an actual EMP exposure, these vehicles would glide to a stop and require the driver to restart them. Electronics in the dashboard of one automobile were damaged and required repair. Other effects were relatively minor. Twenty-five automobiles exhibited malfunctions that could be considered only a nuisance (e.g., blinking dashboard lights) and did not require driver intervention to correct. Eight of the 37 cars tested did not exhibit any anomalous response.

Based on these test results, we expect few automobile effects at EMP field levels below 25 kV/m. Approximately 10 percent or more of the automobiles exposed to higher field levels may experience serious EMP effects, including engine stall, that require driver intervention to correct. We further expect that at least two out of three automobiles on the road will manifest some nuisance response at these higher field levels. The serious malfunctions could trigger car crashes on U.S. highways; the nuisance malfunctions could exacerbate this condition. The ultimate result of automobile EMP exposure could be triggered crashes that damage many more vehicles than are damaged by the EMP, the consequent loss of life, and multiple injuries."

They saw similar results with trucks, both gas and diesel.

They state early on in the article that aside from any impacts that may occur to vehicles drivers will also need to be concerned about the ability to acquire fuel since power will probably be out. The other issue concerns traffic signals since they will probably not be functioning because of the loss of power. In fact, they state that MORE vehicles with be damaged as a result of the loss of traffic signal caused wrecks than an initial EMP event.

[Sarge47]

trust you????ha i don't think so, what is the solid research behind your statement
Well, how about we start at the end of WWII when young German children came up missing all over Berlin. They were being eaten by the German populance. Then there's that soccar team that crashed in the Andes, the Donner party.......:sneaky2:



quite true it is not a supermarket, a supermarket has everything right there ready for you to eat just some simple things to do, the forest however is plentiful if one knows how to look(not where but how)
Which forest is that? You live in Canada & have no idea what's NOT available in my neck of the woods. :cool2:

[doug1980]

Just eat all the food that people leave behind when they bug out....problem solved.

[Rick]

They ate the kids? Oh, come on.

"Ich bin ein Berliner!" (burp)

[wareagle69]

well sarge go back and re-read your posts, the trust comment has nothing to do with cannibalism it has to do with YCC comment about people not wanting to learn wild edibles and your response was "trust me when they are hungary they will eat all the plants" so when someone says "trust me" i ask for proven facts, just cuz you have a bunch of posts and are a moderater i do not need to "trust" your info- the facts ma'am just the facts, so as not to confuse our many guests here.
next point- yes you are correct while i am in canada i do not know the plants of western illinois ans what is there or not, although google gives me a good idea, my point wasabout the "supermarket mentality" it is not "where " you are looking but "how" you are looking.
Trust me, if you think there are not enough plants to sustain you then you are quite right, but......to the educated individual there is plenty if they learn how.
But ... this is the point to stock up for a year, let the ones that are not able to live meet their demise after much of the population is gone then the true survivors will be able to rebuild, and.....i belive that food will be abundant at that point.

[2dumb2kwit]

They ate the kids? Oh, come on.

"Ich bin ein Berliner!" (burp)

Oh, Oh, Oh....I know this one! J.F.K., "I am a donut"!:tongue_smilie:

[your_comforting_company]

How many other people know about it? Why would you leave your home?

I live in a neighborhood 2 miles outside of town. There are too many people here who will come to my house looking for help because, according to them, I'm the only one who will make it through it. They will be coming for my help, and I can't possibly keep everyone fed and do all the chores that need to be done to accomodate them. There is a certain danger and vulnerability in numbers, although that's in conflict with the safety idea, which I completely disagree with. They can have what they find here. The lazy buggers will never put themselves in a wilderness situation (they are too accustomed to the lifestyle they live now and most likely would never leave town) which is where I'm going, and deep, so I'm not worried about them following. The roads are trashed back there, I doubt an army tank could get back there. No driving means the other folks aint coming.. like I said.. LAZY.


They're not concerned because they don't think it can happen to them. Once that they realize that it can is when the danger really hits.
Exactly my point. So I'm leaving here and all the ticks and leeches too.


Don't forget the hot sauce!
I will be buying a bottle to add to the BOB tomorrow, unless the world as we know it ends before then...


Trust me on this one, when starvation starts to hit everybody will be looking!
They don't know what to look for. That's my point. They will either starve or poison themselves. Can you get poisoning from eating a person who's poisoned themselves with a plant? Kinda like caterpillars? How could you tell if they died from poisoning? Good stuff to think about.. people might be a food source.


Nah, they taste like chicken...or...uh...so I've been told!
Lets see one of those beer rigs... nevermind...:online2long:


"No man is an island unto himself." Who watches while you sleep? who's got your back? There's safety in numbers.
Who runs off with what little you have while you sleep. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Who can you really trust? Are you SURE your "friend" won't take you out? What about conflict resolutions? There is a particular danger in numbers when times are so screwy. Desperate people do desperate things, often to their own detriment or the same of another for inconsequential reasons; often without reason. Then there's the whole ape-man effect.. how many other grown men will be ashamed for their lack of skill or ability to be self-reliant. How abrasive will our relationship be? competetive nature? Neanderthan rationale?
I trust myself to do what needs to be done.


You can only plan so much, that's my point! The will to live is one thing, the will to survive to a point of satisfaction is something else.
satisfaction is a relative term. Tonights supper is a good example, but that's another thread...


1st, I'll be "bugging in! 2nd, who? anybody that wants what you have, & there will be a lot more of them than there are of you! :sneaky2:

Ok, you stay, and when the hordes spot your house and come to take what you have, you'll be there to feel the brunt of their force.
When they arrive at my house, they will find an unoccupied dwelling and a bunch of junk they can have. Everything I will need will be out there in the bush, waiting for me to arrive. I'm leaving it all behind.

[rwc1969]

You can only think it thru so much, and you can only prepare for so many different far out, or not so far out, scenarios. Nobody can prepare for everything and I think if we all really thought it thru we'd realize that.

It doesn't mean we shouldn't think things thru or try and be prepared, but it only gets you so far.

The best plan is to be able to improvise, and not solely rely on thinking it thru or preparing for something that may never happen.

Governements, businesses and people in general make well thought out plans, and set goals based on those plans. But those plans and goals are always changing/evolving based on the changing environment and unforeseen situations. The ones that have improvised the best and were able to react and respond to changes the best are the ones that survived. The ones that made good plans, set goals and stuck to those goals eventhough the environment demanded change didn't.

[Rick]

YCC, I would never want folks to know my survival preps or my skills. Too tempting for them to assume just what you said.

As for bugging in, that's my plan unless I'm forced out by something crazy (chem spill, meth lab, whatever). I'm familiar with the area, my preps are here, I'm one of many so being looted is remote plus I have a whole lake for fish, birds and water.

[your_comforting_company]

it's a two headed coin, Rick. If you try to teach people primitive skills to get them interested in Nature and the environment and history, etc, you do yourself a disservice by exposing your knowledge and becoming viewed as an asset to others. If you dont' try to teach others old ways that demonstrate respect for nature and etc, you do them a disservice.
volunteering and demonstrating for the boy scouts comes to mind as a good example of sharing knowledge, although they are probably trustworthy enough that you wouldn't have to worry about them killing you in your sleep, or stealing your stuff, so not the best example of that aspect, but maybe you see where I'm going with that idea...
damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
If you do, everyone knows, if you don't are you being selfish by not teaching your neighbor "to fish".. kinda hard for me to find the words.. it's gettin late lol

[Sarge47]

.....just cuz you have a bunch of posts and are a moderater i do not need to "trust" your info....Hmmm, I don't know what's going on here, WE, but "Homey don't play dat!" So you're now #2 on the "ignore list." :cool2:

[rwc1969]

The way I see that situation YCC is if you know how to hunt and gather and a doctor knows how and has tools to fix you up then there's a benefit to work together.

if you're hurt and a doc is hungry....??

If people were smart they wouldn't rob you for your assets, they'd work with you to share the assets. Not all people are smart though. I could see people killing the ones who know stuff to gain it temporarily, but it wouldn't be too smart a thing to do.

In a chaotic, lawless, and unethical situation intelligent and wise groups will have to band together or hide to prevent the not so wise groups from taking over and ruining everything. Cuz the not so wise will band together and seek out the wise and intelligent to exploit them just like the vikings, spanish and english did. It's the "what I like I take, what I don't I break" mentality that you gotta watch out for.

[hybrid]

To me , surviving is just that. Ensuring that the conditions are met to keep my bodily processes running properly, or near enough to.

This operates at several levels... in a day to day sense it may be about decent eating, not stressing over nonsense, being observant and driving safely. The basic will and passion to survive.

Middle term, involves preparation, principally gathering knowledge and experience, some of my ancestors lived for aeons in this land with nothing more than lumps of wood and bits of string, and a WHOLE lot of local knowledge - and nowadays the landscape is full of useful old bits of rubbish, etc which just makes it easier.

Also practical planning, for example wild sowing of "victory" gardens, seed saving, practice with local natural medicines, as well as keeping an eye on what all the cashed up townies think they're going to do in the Event Of... they can all starve to death in vacant lots and stuck on backed up highways.. leave me out of it ;)

Long term is where to me survival crosses over into actually living. I can grin and bear the lumps (no man v wild jokes, you lot :P I cook my roadkill tyvm ) for as long as it takes but it's important to my mind to have some idea of what I am aiming for over time. Creativity, culture and interpersonal experiences are critical for any sense of "society". Something like a future for my child, and yours as well... very important. I have no interest in allowing myself or others to be reduced to animals just because some abstract notions of social security have failed... many people over thousands of years have if nothing else raised healthy, happy kids with noone standing over em telling them how to do it, or why.

Fortunately, Australia has a pretty long held tradition of working together rather than just killing anyone that stands in your way (though this is changing, and you always get crazies...) and in my neck of the woods, it would probably take a good couple of months of complete civil collapse before we noticed anything much different other than the power not working :D And more free time to sit around sipping a cold bevvie and watching the birds.

We all have different skills and while old mate down the hill can drop a wallaby at 500m with iron sights, it takes the things in my garden to treat his golden staph should he ever develop any, takes my sensible management of our little patch to ensure decent cover for wildlife etc. Simply not sensible to shoot yourself in the foot, course if you have really stupid neighbours this is not something you can take comfort in!

I certainly can't see my region going totally zombie-movie in a real hurry, and enough mountain ranges between us and the cities to mean that only the truly talented urbanites will make it this far. Once the aircon, bigscreens, facebook and prescriptions bugger up, it will be all over red rover for the majority of them. Out of condition and out of their minds.

We like our gear, somewhat. But my partner and myself were both raised with the idea (someone here has it as a sig?) that the more you know, the less you need and the history if habitation in this country tends to support that. Good shoes (or tough feet and bushsense), something to keep the sun off, somethign to rug up in at night, the means to make fire and the means to cut stuff up, and carry water. Thats about the only true critical-1 aspects in our circumstance. We take none of our possessions seriously, and certainly never let ourselves believe we "deserve" or 'need" 99.9 percent of them. Long as we're healthy and happy , that's the important thing.

The limiting factor here is really water, and even then you'd be hard pressed to exhaust most man made or even standing natural supplies once the power stopped working and people stopped washing dishes all night, hosing down the car, filling the pool and watering their purely ornamental gardens.

transport wise, we'd go okay with our wheels here barring roadblocks, major treefall or whatever. failing that, almost all indiginous trade paths are still in existance, either as modern roads, stock trails or property lines.. anywhere we'd need to get to, ever, would be no more than a week or so's fairly moderate travel in country well stocked enough that you can't starve if you know what you're doing... but much of it looks sparse enough that the average "I gotsa Navman and no clue" type would pass it over.

No real need for us to flee anything much, if we do we can source horses and both know how to ride and if that doesn't work well, these boots were made for walking...just don't walk around in the midday sun like tourists when they come here, that will drive you nuts or get you killed. Walking under the moon is actually a lovely way to travel in open country.

Most country here would kill or terrify the average drone, in a lot of ways the land itself is the best defence against ill spirited people. The aborigines knew this, as did the colonials which is why they set about transporting as many blackfellas from their lands, or, breaking their spiritual ties with them and their kind as a means to gain control.

it is easy to forget that especially in remote parts of the planet, actual law and order is purely a state of mind and at the end of the day, if one of my neighbours swings by and kills me, I'd be tiny flakes of dingo crap in the scrub before anyone could prove anything. it is not law, or threat of law that keeps most people doing the right thing most of the time, it's just basic morality. Course, this varies by region, and of course circumstance. Average people do horrible things all the time, and they mostly feel bad afterwards. Doesn't do the victim any good. Most murderers for example, are found to have killed one person, once, for a "reason" (in their terms). Actual animalistic humans who kill for fun or over very little are so rare, and remarkable, that is why they end up as headlines and thriller movies ;) So foreign to most of us, even the fairly rough and ready.

I do not have a "pop it if it looks at me funny' approach to survival but we take our family security very seriously, that has to be the case whether the cops can be here in (maybe) two hours, if they really feel like it... or they can't. Likewise I don't believe I'd be much of a man or a dad if I expected some magic fairies upstairs to keep the water running to my house, keep me fed or healthy. Nice if they help out, of course! but hardly critical.

There is never any law for the truly lawless, even execution just gives the bastards a warped sense of nobility and validation.

I think we'd do ok, better than many, but you can't rule out accidents, bad luck and quirks of fate. That's where humour and "having a cup of concrete and hardening the $%^& up" comes into play.

[Sourdough]

Hmmm, I don't know what's going on here, WE, but "Homey don't play dat!" So you're now #2 on the "ignore list." :cool2:




Sarge, Your supposed to be "The" adult, your supposed to not over react, your supposed to be an impartial moderator, not behave like a child who's feelings have been hurt. I request that you not "Ignore" Wareagle, and that you stay in the conversation, and defend what you believe is the correct course of action for you and your family. These "take no prisoners" threads can be the most enlightening if people will not shut each other off.......:)

[Sarge47]

Sarge, Your supposed to be "The" adult, your supposed to not over react, your supposed to be an impartial moderator, not behave like a child who's feelings have been hurt. I request that you not "Ignore" Wareagle, and that you stay in the conversation, and defend what you believe is the correct course of action for you and your family. These "take no prisoners" threads can be the most enlightening if people will not shut each other off.......:)
Yeah...ok...but only because it's you! :sneaky2:

[Sarge47]

They ate the kids? Oh, come on.

"Ich bin ein Berliner!" (burp)
REF.: "Armegeddon" by Leon Uris. :cool2:

[Sarge47]

Okay, I'll assume that WE is an expert on wild edibles; however, in a bad situation I doubt he'll be around. I will refer to his "sticky:" "An Absolute Must-Read." You see, ya just can't LIVE on dandelion greens. You're going to have to supplement it with meat, fish, etc. Rabbits & squirrels can be snared, fish can be taken by hook or nets, but what about deer? All's I'm saying here is take some time to think & foresee the potential problems that can arise. :cool2:

[Rick]

Hey Hybrid - That was a great post. Well thought out and very articulate. We hold similar views. Of course, I don't have crocs around here.

Sarge - Leon Uris wrote historical fiction. He was a wonderful story teller but not everything he wrote is true.

[your_comforting_company]

I have to agree with Rick on hybrid's post. Can't give you any more rep, but definately worth some. It's always interesting to see the POV from different parts of the world. Sounds like you area is very similar to where I live.

I'm loving this thread. Lots of good points made and lots of things to think about. Good thread starter sarge!

[Sourdough]

This thread is timely for me, as I have all winter been reflecting on my next major life move. As we get old our options are reduced. The rate of physical deterioration accelerates. And it would be easy to find myself trapped in a dream that the heart craves, but the body can no longer execute.

In Hemingway's "The Old Man and the Sea" The fisherman looks at his hands, and is compelled to confront the truth, about himself, about the fish, and about the line to which they are both attached.

[hybrid]

Sorry sarge, slap me all you want but I have to play devils advocate and point out that consumption of other mammals is not essential for human survival. I respect your modness, but have to represent scientific accuracy or the ghost of various teacher's passed will haunt me all evening :P I don't care who doesn't play what, or who claims what title...facts are facts. Otherwise we would have no snopes.com :D

X million Hindus can't be wrong... complete protein, and the body having the ability to cache incompletes til finding their best next match have a lot to do with that. Also that many meats do not contain complete proteins in appreciable levels after sufficient cooking to rule out pathogens etc.

I love a roast once in a while... but it's not essential.Helpful, convenient, compact, easily achieved in some ecosystems, sure! But some of the healthiest, happiest and most energetic people I know eat no meat at all, and do not live of store-bought tofu and multivitamins either. verus most of the fat gutted, red faced, hour on the toilet types that tell me "you need a gut full of cow every evening to be healthy!". Shyeah, right :D

Dunno bout living off dandy greens... I find weeds mostly taste like weeds... I can cop a veg-heavy diet so long as it tastes like something... I have chicken monthly, fish half as often... mainly I disagree with commercial meat processes rather than the idea of eating meat you catch yourself. If Icannot discuss where someones dinner came from without them passing on it, they should not have been eating it in the first place ...otherwise its fruit veg nuts grains pulses n legumes for me and mine...very few "leafy greens" as they taste like crap, IMO. Without butter and garlic, at least.... my recovery from illness time averages half that of my steak eating brethren, and while anyone else is fiddling with snares, I can be collecting a guaranteed amount of proteins from the wild with the added possibility of snared mammal in a survival sitatuation providing bonus calories. I have noticed my peers doubling...tripling..quadding in the belly fat dept over the last few years of insisting they need to eat meat every day and when last tested, my liver function was apparently breathtakingly healthy for my age.

The whole "man needs meat" thing was thoroughly dismissed a good 50 years ago. It is a handy way to take a large amount of veg-derived proteins on board in a short time, but in some circumstances is more trouble than it is worth and is in no case "necessary for survival" no matter what someone on the interwebs says. Thousands of years of people actually living contrary to "accepted wisdom" says otherwise.

Complete proteins are complete proteins... this is to human nutrition what "organic v inorganic" is to plant growth.. available nutes are just that. Despite marketing , you do not need x amount of meat to process y amount of greens... just not how it works.

[Sourdough]

Are we done here.....? I sure hope NOT....?

[Rick]

Yeah, I think so. He left. It was a damn good post, too.

[Rick]

You can actually live a very long time on just about anything. There are so many examples in history of folks subsisting on some weird stuff. Sawdust bread, seed pods, yeah, even leather from shoes (it is cow skin, after all). So the point, I think, is can you stay alive. Know which plants to eat, when they are available, as WE said, how to harvest them and how to prepare them can keep you alive for quite a long time. Adding meat products, for me anyway, is just as a tasty way to expand the food options.

My DIL is a vegan. Not because she thinks eating meat is wrong but because she doesn't want to eat the chemicals, et. al. that are added to commercial meat. She's a pretty healthy gal.

[doug1980]

You can actually live a very long time on just about anything. There are so many examples in history of folks subsisting on some weird stuff. Sawdust bread, seed pods, yeah, even leather from shoes (it is cow skin, after all). So the point, I think, is can you stay alive. Know which plants to eat, when they are available, as WE said, how to harvest them and how to prepare them can keep you alive for quite a long time. Adding meat products, for me anyway, is just as a tasty way to expand the food options.

My DIL is a vegan. Not because she thinks eating meat is wrong but because she doesn't want to eat the chemicals, et. al. that are added to commercial meat. She's a pretty healthy gal.

But now the question is would you really want to survive like that? Would you want to prolong your life by eating sawdust bread and shoe leather? Would you want to live in a make-shift shelter in the woods being frigid cold in the winter and hot in the summer just so you can survive hoping whatever caused you to live this way will end? What if it never ends and you have to exist like this for 30, 40, 50 years. Not much of a life in my opinion. Just looking at a different perspective.

[Sourdough]

Doug, this not personal, you know I like you, you have been to my cabin. I think your generation, and your parents generation, and sadly most of my generation also (Note: I am old enough to be your Grandfather) have lived the most gluttonous, greedy, self centered, self important, distorted, warped, un-natural lifestyle possible. We (Yes, me also) feel we are entitled to a certain (Very High) quality of life. The poorest person in America lives better than the richest King 150 years ago. I have been disappointed that "ALL" of the religions have not endeavored to campaign against Gluttony.

Of course we would be inclined to self-abort in a sustained period of hardship.
But our idea of a life not worth living, would be the gravy train, to a the starving millions of humans in North Korea, Africa, or a dozen other countries.

[your_comforting_company]

But now the question is would you really want to survive like that?
Would you want to prolong your life by eating sawdust bread and shoe leather?
Would you want to live in a make-shift shelter in the woods being frigid cold in the winter and hot in the summer just so you can survive hoping whatever caused you to live this way will end?
What if it never ends and you have to exist like this for 30, 40, 50 years. Not much of a life in my opinion.
Just looking at a different perspective.

yes
I wan't to live, and I'll eat what I can, yes
I live like that now. no difference for me, except the part about being in the woods, so yes.
Fine by me. Sounds much simpler than "life" by todays standards. My kid's don't know they aren't comfortable because it's always been that way for them.
Opinions vary.
your perspective sounds like you don't care much for living if the world as we know it now ceases to exist. That's cool, cuz I bought a bottle of hot sauce today ;)

[doug1980]

Don't get me wrong I enjoying living and would sacrifice a lot to continue to do so but to what degree I don't know. I think many say they would be prepared to live a life similar to a homeless person but when faced with it I believe many will not be able to live it. I can't say with certainty that I would even be able to live that way, but I can't say I wouldn't either. I'm just putting a different spin on things. That's how I am, I like to bring in off the wall points of view when having a discussion even if they are not my beliefs.

[doug1980]

Doug, this not personal, you know I like you, you have been to my cabin. I think your generation, and your parents generation, and sadly most of my generation also (Note: I am old enough to be your Grandfather) have lived the most gluttonous, greedy, self centered, self important, distorted, warped, un-natural lifestyle possible. We (Yes, me also) feel we are entitled to a certain (Very High) quality of life. The poorest person in America lives better than the richest King 150 years ago. I have been disappointed that "ALL" of the religions have not endeavored to campaign against Gluttony.

Of course we would be inclined to self-abort in a sustained period of hardship.
But our idea of a life not worth living, would be the gravy train, to a the starving millions of humans in North Korea, Africa, or a dozen other countries.

I totally agree and am guilty of this. You know, you seen my truck. :)

[Rick]

You do what you have to do when there are no options. Third world folks live that kind of life because there is no option or none that they can see. I think the desire to live, regardless of environment, is the greatest drive the vast majority of humans have. They will endure anything to live one more day or one more hour if that's the only straw they have to grasp. So, yeah, toss that hunk of sawdust bread over here. If that's my option for food then I had better be munching it.

[Sarge47]

Rick, I've heard about Berlin's cannablism elsewhere as well, just can't remember where. However, both the story of the Donner party & the Andes survivors are well documented. Also, like you, I never let people outside my immediate family know how we're prepared. :cool2:

YCC: In the event of a TSHTF scenario, I will attempt to unite my neighbors into a tight-knit community. It's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it! :online2long:

Hybrid: I appreciate your involvement. You are right to a certain degree that man can "survive" on a meatless diet, but protein needs to be involved one way or another. Regarding plant life: While driving through the country with my wife I pointed out the cattails plants growing out of the drainage ditches as a source of potential food. She then pointed out the fields that drained off into the ditches as fields that the farmers spray much pesticides & other stuff that is hard on the human body & can cause problems.

Doug: I agree. I think about toughing out a nuclear attack in a bomb shelter, only to come out & find myself surrounded by radioactive waste. Do I want to continue to live that way? No. :cool2:

Sourdough: We old farts need to stick together! :sneaky2:

Wareagle: Use spell check! :innocent:

[Rick]

Farm chemicals. Does a body good.

[Sarge47]

Farm chemicals. Does a body good.
Not for my wife it doesn't! :cool2:

[Rick]

I'm not going there. Nope. Not going to.

[Sarge47]

I'm not going there. Nope. Not going to.
Smart man! :sneaky2:

[Sarge47]

If it's TEOTWAWKI then answer me this:

If 80% of the ranchers & farmers are gone how long before we decimate the current supply of cattle, poultry, pork, & crops? :cool2:

When that happens what will the surviving population do? What will they eat? :cool2:

What will Rick do if all of the Twinkies are gone? (Hint: See Woody Harrelsone in "Zombieland.") :innocent:

Yeah: TESTERONE! It's not just for breakfast anymore! :sneaky2:

[wareagle69]

Wareagle: Use spell check! :innocent:
i find this funny, i have been here 3 yrs now and the usual remark made about someones spelling is when they are upset at someone and try to feel superior and tell them they are usuing bad grammer and spelling, oh well if it makes you feel better, although i now see that remy was correct about you
[QUOTE=Sarge47;206614]If it's TEOTWAWKI then answer me this:

[QOUTE/] If 80% of the ranchers & farmers are gone how long before we decimate the current supply of cattle, poultry, pork, & crops? :cool2:[QOUTE/]

care to back up that steatement with proof? if you want toplay this game i will moniter everything that you post from now on for accuracy so maybe you should put me on your ignore list,
not sure what your problem is just because i asked you to back up a statement that you posted you get bent out of shape, as a mod you should be above all this.
as i have always said about what i post, do your research, don't just take what i say to be gospel just because i have been here for a while and newbies might tend to do that cuz they see all the posts and figure a long timer here might know what he is talking about, even whan allen teaches me something, i still do allot of research on it
just keeping everone honest and the newbies safe.

[your_comforting_company]

The bomb shelter / nuclear waste is a really good point. There is a certain level of existence I expect to be able to secure. I couldn't live underground long enough for everything to clean itself up, and If I can't go outside, then it may be the case that it's just not worth carrying on.
I wish my neighbors were as resourceful and dependable as you guys neighbors. I'm afraid most of mine would just be dead weight. The idea of a tight-knit community to inter-rely on is a great plan to have, if you have neighbors that are willing to do what needs to be done, like most of us here. Mine seem reluctant to do what needs now. If you have that option, consider yourself lucky. Many of us probably won't have that option.

[nell67]

Spellin' shuld knot evn be an ishu on this form,Y dos it evn com up???NO ONE is a perfect speller,and as long as you can get the gist of their post,then it shouldn't be a problem,for anyone.

I beLIEve we hashed this one out before,and I have seen misspelled words in almost everyones posts from time to time,it does not lessen the meaning behind what they post.

[Sarge47]

Spellin' shuld knot evn be an ishu on this form,Y dos it evn com up???NO ONE is a perfect speller,and as long as you can get the gist of their post,then it shouldn't be a problem,for anyone.

I beLIEve we hashed this one out before,and I have seen misspelled words in almost everyones posts from time to time,it does not lessen the meaning behind what they post.That was actually a joke, just forgot to post a smiley.

WE I don't care what you do, knock yourself out. The 80% deal was a "what if" scenario. :cool2:

[Sarge47]

i find this funny, i have been here 3 yrs now and the usual remark made about someones spelling is when they are upset at someone and try to feel superior and tell them they are using bad grammer and spelling, oh well if it makes you feel better, although i now see that remy was correct about you Wow! You actually found an undeleted post that Remy left(like I care.)? I'm impressed! I was joking about the spelling dude! Sheeesh, lighten up!

If it's TEOTWAWKI then answer me this: If 80% of the ranchers & farmers are gone how long before we decimate the current supply of cattle, poultry, pork, & crops? :cool2:
care to back up that statement with proof? if you want to play this game i will monitor everything that you post from now on for accuracy so maybe you should put me on your ignore list, Proof? For a "what if" scenario? What's up with you dude?


not sure what your problem is just because i asked you to back up a statement that you posted you get bent out of shape, as a mod you should be above all this.1st, who are you to dictate my behavior to me? Furthermore, you seem to have a problem about my MOD status as you're the one that mentioned it! What does that have to do with my questions? Actually this was all relating to your sticky in the 1st place: "An absolute must-read."


as i have always said about what i post, do your research, don't just take what i say to be gospel I don't.
just because i have been here for a while and newbies might tend to do that cuz they see all the posts and figure a long timer here might know what he is talking about, even when allen teaches me something, i still do a lot of research on it. Just keeping every one honest and the newbies safe.Hmmm, so your the "forum cop now? That's nice. :innocent: I assume you'll be doing that with everybody since that's only fair, right?

[Sourdough]

My guess is that there will be a lot of harvest-able animals, because most hunters well not walk 1/4 mile off the road system. We pack out moose 5 miles, I have even packed 90 pound loads of moose meat as far as 8 miles.

Something like an RMP will not effect the game animals, only man. I don't know squat about eating plants, unless I buy them at the grocery store. But I would live a long time on Fish & Game if I had too. My undoing would be the cold. I really need to set up a super small, easy to heat cabin. And buy more bow saws.

[nell67]

That was actually a joke, just forgot to post a smiley.

WE I don't care what you do, knock yourself out. The 80% deal was a "what if" scenario. :cool2:
Notice that I always capitalize the LIE in the middle of the word beLIEve??? It's my personal dig at the person (no longer a member of the forum) who brought the spelling issue up the first time,what a great night that was (not). My own reminder that spelling is a non-issue for us here,because we are all smart enough to 'cipher what our brothers and sisters mean even if it wasn't spelt korrectly :)

[Sarge47]

Notice that I always capitalize the LIE in the middle of the word beLIEve??? It's my personal dig at the person (no longer a member of the forum) who brought the spelling issue up the first time,what a great night that was (not). My own reminder that spelling is a non-issue for us here,because we are all smart enough to 'cipher what our brothers and sisters mean even if it wasn't spelt korrectly :)I know, my point is that if you really want people to understand what you're saying & if you claim that you don't want them to be mis-led, perhaps you might concentrate on keeping your posts understandable. Just a thought. :sneaky2:

[DISCLAIMER! This post has NOT been approved by the Forum Police! :innocent:]

[Ken]

Both Life and Mother Nature have funny ways of throwing curveballs at us. From a historical perspective, mankind has never, without exception, witnessed a worst-case SHTF scenario.

Yeah, the human race has survived the black plague, pandemics, world wars, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes and tsunamis, nuclear detonations, and you name it. However, each was unique and worst case effects were mostly fairly "localized."

And remember, although the cause is still being debated, SOMETHING - SOME EVENT, has caused mass global extinctions to occur virtually instantly. The Earth has experienced ice ages, collisions with meteors, super-volcano eruptions........ all before mankind arived on the scene.

We're here to discuss survival, but let's not loose sight of reality. Some cataclysmic events could render entire continents or even the Earth itself uninhabitable.

Take the Yellowstone Supervolcano as an example. Will it erupt during our lifetimes? Who knows for sure? If it does, most of North America beyond the immediate death zone will be covered with ash powder laden with free silica, destroying the lungs of anyone who ventures out without a working filter. The ash will bury and poison and kill most plant life. Above-ground water supplies will become acidic beyond use. Plants, trees, fish, birds, mammals - every living thing for hundreds of thousands of square miles - will choke and die. Worldwide, weather conditions will drastically change immediately. The ash and smoke in the atmosphere will circle the Earth for years. Worldwide crop production will plummet.

Waves of death will come in stages - the immediate eruption - those who succumb within days from thermal and non-thermal injuries - those who perish from more long-term effects - those who starve to death or cannot otherwise survive in a poisoned environment.

Foraging wild food sources may not be an alternative for anyone. Just sayin.'

[wareagle69]

Wow! You actually found an undeleted post that Remy left(like I care.)? I'm impressed! I was joking about the spelling dude! Sheeesh, lighten up!
Proof? For a "what if" scenario? What's up with you dude?

1st, who are you to dictate my behavior to me? Furthermore, you seem to have a problem about my MOD status as you're the one that mentioned it! What does that have to do with my questions? Actually this was all relating to your sticky in the 1st place: "An absolute must-read."
actually i have no problem with your moderating, for the most part you seem to be fair, as for my thread "an absolute must read" bugging out is a second option but..... foraging is still viable while bugging in
I don't. Hmmm, so your the "forum cop now? That's nice. :innocent: I assume you'll be doing that with everybody since that's only fair, right?

me being a forum cop will only pertain to what i know about, if crash were to come on here and post something about knife making i would not know it to be true or false, i would expect someone that does know to correct him if he is wrong, same as i will do about wild edibles, your statment "trust me" about who will be out foraging evrything is not backed up with any facts, if you had chosen to say "in my opinion" it might be different.
Now another point that you mentioned about me not knowing what is or is not in your forests, that is correct but i dare to say neither do you. Go spend the next 3 to 4 years of your life studying wild edibles then come back and make that statement, as far as you know there may be tons of edibles out there.
Now to address your comment on checking my spelling, if you say you were joking then ok, i'll taake it as that, but when in the middle of an argement or what ever this is, it is an often thrown around insult,
Sarge take this for whatever it is we both have been here for a long time and are like family, they squabble all the time but get over it sooner or later, heck crash never posted on any of my threads for a year (yes i noticed btw) but in an effert to keep things real and accurate i will butt in on anyone claiming something.
lets take for example your post a whiile ago about someone here saying they was going for a walk in a city park with a pocket knife and you got on and said "whoa a pocket knife ?wheres the first aif kit?" now to me thats a little ridicoulous and exessive but it is your opinion that one should have a first aid kit with them, thats cool thats your opinion i cannot correct you on that, but when you make a statement "trust me" that is now entering a different context especially if its about wild edibles.
hope we can still be freinds, balls in your court
WE

[your_comforting_company]

Notice that I always capitalize the LIE in the middle of the word beLIEve??? It's my personal dig at the person (no longer a member of the forum) who brought the spelling issue up the first time,what a great night that was (not). My own reminder that spelling is a non-issue for us here,because we are all smart enough to 'cipher what our brothers and sisters mean even if it wasn't spelt korrectly :)

Dew knot trussed spell chequer two fined awl yore miss takes!:innocent:

[Rick]

Ken - I think you are pretty close to the mark on your post. Everyone likes to think of themselves as the last cat strolling through town but it won't be like that and we all know it deep down inside. If most go then you're probably on the list to go too. Beyond the cataclysmic stuff like Old Yellowstone or that big hunka hunka burning rock hurtlin' at us from the Milky Way the rest of the stuff will really be based on perception.

If the news tells us it's bad then, by golly, it will be bad. If the news tells us it's not all that bad, then we'll be talking about what a nuisance the whole thing has been. We're funny like that. Orson Welles sort of proved that with War of the Worlds even though he wasn't trying to. This recession is a good example, too. Some have proclaimed and continue to proclaim it the end of all things holy. Some call it the resurrection of mankind. A fresh start. Most of us are somewhere in between...more or less. But it really depends on our perception of it as to how bad we think it is. When TSHTS I suspect it will be the same with that, too.

Did anyone feel that or was it just me?

[Sarge47]

me being a forum cop will only pertain to what i know about, if crash were to come on here and post something about knife making i would not know it to be true or false, i would expect someone that does know to correct him if he is wrong, same as i will do about wild edibles, your statment "trust me" about who will be out foraging evrything is not backed up with any facts, if you had chosen to say "in my opinion" it might be different.Ok, my bad! I use "trust me" as a figure of speech. So let me just clarify the point. My wife has tomes of printed material & buried among those thousands of pages is documented evidence about wild greens that no longer exist because of large masses of people grazing off of the land in years gone by. I went to her for the documentation & she now tells me she can't find it right away. Her health is very bad, she's trying to help her sister who's about to be foreclosed on & will have to move, as well as taking care of what's left of her late father's estate. Had I known that the evidence was going to be hard to produce I would have waited. :blushing:



Now another point that you mentioned about me not knowing what is or is not in your forests, that is correct but I dare to say neither do you.I would agree that you have much more knowledge than me on that subject


Go spend the next 3 to 4 years of your life studying wild edibles then come back and make that statement, as far as you know there may be tons of edibles out there.The thing is, WE, is that here, our forests are disappearing altogether. They're dwindling more & more as our towns & cities grow and the developers chop them up for huge apartment complexes and the like. Or farmers push them back to make bigger fields to plant in as their fields get taken over by the developers under something called "Eminent Domain."


Now to address your comment on checking my spelling, if you say you were joking then ok, I'll take it as that, but when in the middle of an argument or what ever this is, it is an often thrown around insult.
That's true, my bad again. :blushing: (By the way, I'm 'proofing" this post. :sneaky2:)


Sarge take this for whatever it is we both have been here for a long time and are like family, they squabble all the time but get over it sooner or later, heck crash never posted on any of my threads for a year (yes I noticed btw) but in an effort to keep things real and accurate I will butt in on anyone claiming something.That's fine, but don't think for one minute that I use my title to influence anybody. Hybrid just left over some silly crap & no one has a clue as to why so I suppose that comment just rankled; I apologize. (Can we hug now & sing Cum-by-ya?")



lets take for example your post a while ago about someone here saying they was going for a walk in a city park with a pocket knife and you got on and said "whoa a pocket knife? Wheres the first aid kit?" now to me that's a little ridiculous and excessive but it is your opinion that one should have a first aid kit with them, that's cool that's your opinion i cannot correct you on that, but when you make a statement "trust me" that is now entering a different context especially if its about wild edibles.Actually, it's about anything edible. For Example, during our nation-wide depression people resorted to eating things that we might find disgusting today. On the flip-side, they did some very inventive things as well.


Hope we can still be friends, balls in your court. WESure we can. Now, about the 1st aid kit, it's a very important piece of equipment. It just seems to me that many members come on here placing a higher priority on their knife than on a kit that can save their life. If someone goes on a day hike then, IMO, they should take a "10 essentials kit." That's mainly because I strongly suspect most of them don't have the same amount of knowledge or experience that you & others on this forum do regarding the outdoors. By me posting that I'm hoping to have them explain themselves further. :cool2:

The bottom line here is that I want people to be able to start thinking about things that they may have missed before. I think that some on here have done just that. It's why I always thought that your sticky: "An absolute must-read" is so very important. That's the impression YOU made on me! :cool2:

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