View Full Version : How Surival Turns Deadly - It's Not a Game.
hunter63
03-04-2010, 03:11 PM
Came across this today, just goes to show, that just because it's on the TV doesn't make it real.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/774517--survivorman-fan-found-dead-in-muskoka-wilderness?bn=1
Just before dawn on Thursday morning, Richard Code disappeared into the darkness and lit out for the Ontario wilderness, bringing little more than a few supplies and the skills he had learned from watching Survivorman, a reality show about subsisting in the bush.
The 41-year-old left behind a note, asking his landlady to call police if he failed to return by Sunday night. On Monday, she reported him missing and on Wednesday afternoon, Code’s body was found in a marshy, snowed-in area just north of Huntsville.
Police say Code’s death is not considered suspicious at this time and his brother Stephen Code said OPP have informed him that the cause of death was hypothermia.
It remains unclear if Code has ever received formal wilderness training but relatives say much of his knowledge came from watching Survivorman. The Discovery Channel program featured survival expert Les Stroud living in the wilderness without food, shelter or equipment and Code would often attempt similar trips, venturing into the Muskoka backwoods without food or tents.
For some outdoor education experts, “survivalist” reality shows have skewed the public’s perception of how dangerous it really is to live off the land, prompting inexperienced campers to venture into the woods with a bolstered sense of confidence.
For survival instructor Gino Ferri, shows like Survivorman make for excellent entertainment but should never substitute real-world training.
“TV abstracts the real ugliness of survival,” said Ferri, who runs a school called Survival in the Bush and trained Stroud back in the day. “They make the wilderness look like it’s a romantic place. Well, it’s romantic, as long as you have all your gear and you’re camping and enjoying it. In a survival situation, it’s a nightmare.”
Stephen Code, who lives in Kitchener, said his brother was passionate about survival trips but as far as he knew, he also lacked any formal training.
“I understand that Richard has done some self-teaching, training, through the video work this gentleman’s (Stroud) done,” Code said.
He said he and his father would worry about Richard’s trips and often warned him of the risks.
“My father had conversations with him in the past about the dangers of camping with little gear,” he said.
Code’s landlady Barbara Ellis said her tenant frequently read books about wilderness survival and would regale her with tales of his adventures. She said Code could “whittle” and rip bark from trees, twisting the pieces into makeshift ropes.
“He would tell me how he would cut down boughs to make a shelter,” she recalled. “He would fish for food and he said there were certain trees that he could eat the bark.”
Ellis said she met her tenant through church and Code moved into her Scarborough home about two years ago. The 86-year-old described Code as pleasant and mild-mannered, who made a living by helping her do errands around the house.
She said Code did three survivor trips last year but most were during the summer months. He only attempted one wintertime trip last November but fell sick and lasted just one day, she added.
Ellis said she had a bad feeling last week as Code prepared for this latest trip.
“I just said, ‘I don’t like this one,’ ” she said. “He just laughed a little bit… I sort of dread these trips but I know they’re so very important to him.”
Code left home at around 4 a.m. and, as he often does, left a note with Ellis telling her when he would be back. He included a map with his GPS coordinates as well as a checklist of what materials he brought, which included a multi-tool, an axe, matches, a lighter, an emergency blanket, fishing tools, a compass, a survival book, maps and some cash. He did not use a cellphone.
Ellis called police when Code failed to return by Monday morning and police began conducting aerial searches of the area where Code indicated he was going, near Burks Falls.
Code was known to hitchhike to his camping destinations and according to his brother, police received a tip early Wednesday indicating that Richard had been picked up in Aurora and dropped off at a truck stop near Bradford.
Early Wednesday afternoon, Code was still hopeful his brother might turn up safe, but a few hours later provincial police announced they had found his brother’s body, just between Horn and Bear Lakes.
Toronto police say a post-mortem will take place, likely Friday.
OPP said Code was found by helicopter in an area that was no longer accessible by foot, thanks to heavy snowfalls in the area and surrounding marshes.
Police were tight-lipped about further details including what he was wearing, but Code was last seen wearing beige cargo pants, a dark jacket, hiking boots and a black “Yukon”-style hat.
Det. Const. Jeff Emms said Code was no “rookie” when it came to outdoor adventuring and clearly prepared for his trip. But at the same time, such survivor excursions have officers like him “scratching our heads.”
“I would never do it,” he said. “These TV shows that are on, right, Survivorman and all these kinds of shows, would put these kinds of thoughts in someone’s head to do it.”
When reached in Madagascar where he is filming a new television series, Stroud said he always stressed proper training on his show, as well as in his book.
“You need that time in the bush and there is no replacement,” Stroud said, speaking to the Star before Code’s body was located. “I wouldn’t attempt to solo until I’d done at least half a dozen or 10 courses . . . in the bush with people that knew what they were doing.”
For Stroud, his show is a “documentary” program and not a “reality-based” show, which he says portray wilderness survival in a flashy manner that gets people “all riled up.”
He defended Survivorman as being an educational show that conveyed just how miserable it truly is to subsist in the wilderness. He noted that he can’t control how viewers interpret his show, adding that people have credited his teachings in the past for saving their lives in survival situations.
But for Ferri, he worries about the effects of such survival reality shows and has noticed a spike in interest towards wilderness survival. Students tend to also bring an inflated sense of confidence into his classrooms now, he said.
“Don’t think that you can learn things like survival by simply watching a show,” he said. “I mean, how often have we said that?”
For Stephen Code, he has never watched Survivorman but said he doesn’t oppose such reality programming, as long as the shows couch their entertainment value in safety information.
But for Code, he also recognizes the potential dangers of such shows, perhaps now better than anyone.
“I think as laypeople, we’re always concerned about risky endeavours getting publicized on TV sets and society picking up these things and trying to execute them in the real world,” he said. “It’s disconcerting.”
That's sad. It could have all been prevented if only he'd brought his camera crew with him.
red lake
03-04-2010, 03:21 PM
Came here to post the same article. Sure would like to know the details of his demise.
Pal334
03-04-2010, 03:47 PM
I feel sorry for his family. But he was old enough to decide his own destiny. Just glad no rescuers were injured
gryffynklm
03-04-2010, 03:58 PM
I hope that the details are reported on and some one stresses the dangers for doing this without training and prep.
Alaskan Survivalist
03-04-2010, 04:06 PM
I have not seen all his shows but I have always been rooting for him to catch a fish. Any body ever see Les Stroud catch one?
red lake
03-04-2010, 04:52 PM
http://news.therecord.com/News/article/679540
Better article here. States hypothermia was the cause of death and has some quotes from Les Stroud and Les's teacher Gino Ferri.
Gino I have met and he is the real deal.
First, we don't know that the gentleman didn't log on here. He could well be one of those folks that said I'm going with a knife and a shirt.
Second, this is why many of us are against telling folks to go ahead and do it. It's not just words on a forum. It's someone's life.
First, we don't know that the gentleman didn't log on here. He could well be one of those folks that said I'm going with a knife and a shirt.
Second, this is why many of us are against telling folks to go ahead and do it. It's not just words on a forum. It's someone's life.
Damned good post, Rick!
your_comforting_company
03-04-2010, 05:32 PM
where does the accountability fall? on himself? on Les? On the Landlady?
It's sad and people really need to get this out of their heads.. come on.. right now they are saying he died of hypothermia? that's what happens if you refuse to take backup gear. preparation, and location...
At least he was old enough to make his own decisions, but that sounds like hockey to me. hypothermia. I'd like more details too.
Justin Case
03-04-2010, 07:21 PM
According to the article, It was NOT his first time going out in the bush like that,, Ya Know,, You cant blame the show,,, Some people just lack good old fashioned "Horse Sense" or Common sense,,
gryffynklm
03-04-2010, 07:23 PM
This is a perfect example of what we are concerned about when the numptys come calling. The wisdom from this forum only caries so much weight with newbies that don't know who its coming from. Unless they read the forum for a while they will never understand the authority of the experience of this collective community.
Should we sticky this and add threads links to videos or articles that demonstrates going out to experience "survival" on purpose isn't a game. Maybe it would support the other "living Survival" stickies, you think they would be enough.
Anyone want to help make this sticky idea sound better.
Justin Case
03-04-2010, 07:23 PM
First, we don't know that the gentleman didn't log on here. He could well be one of those folks that said I'm going with a knife and a shirt.
Second, this is why many of us are against telling folks to go ahead and do it. It's not just words on a forum. It's someone's life.
Especially Young people,, They are so impressionable.
You have to take responsibility for your own actions. Even if you don't know that what you are doing is dangerous you need to research it. It would be easy to blame Les or the landlady but the responsibility rests on his shoulders.
Justin Case
03-04-2010, 07:26 PM
This is a perfect example of what we are concerned about when the numptys come calling. The wisdom from this forum only caries so much weight with newbies that don't know who its coming from. Unless they read the forum for a while they will never understand the authority of the experience of this collective community.
Should we sticky this and add threads links to videos or articles that demonstrates going out to experience "survival" on purpose isn't a game. Maybe it would support the other "living Survival" stickies, you think they would be enough.
Anyone want to help make this sticky idea sound better.
I think thats a great idea,, :clap::clap:
crashdive123
03-04-2010, 07:29 PM
We tell every numpty this every time. Then we get flamed. Then they vow to never come to this forum again. A numpty won't read a sticky - they want instant gratification, and they want it their way. Any advice to the contrary means we're just a bunch of old F.A.R.T.S. that don't understand.
I have to agree with Crash. I think it's instant gratification that's driving them. However, I've changed the title, copied the article and put it in Hunter's first post then stuck the thread. So, we shall see.
Justin Case
03-04-2010, 07:43 PM
Looks Like he took enough to survive tho ? even with only a basic knowledge base,
Snippet from article,
Code left home at around 4 a.m. and left a note with Ellis telling her when he would be back. He included a map with his GPS co-ordinates as well as a checklist of what materials he brought, which included a multi-tool, an axe, matches, a lighter, an emergency blanket, fishing tools, a compass, a survival book, maps and some cash.
pocomoonskyeyes
03-04-2010, 07:44 PM
Well at least it SHOULD serve as a warning. I'm just sorry someone had to lose their life to make it such an important lesson for everyone.
He should have used the cash to buy a wool blanket...apparently.
Some folks serve as a lesson of what not to do. It's unfortunate but true. Look how many have been killed while driving drunk.
Some folks serve as a lesson of what not to do. It's unfortunate but true. Look how many have been killed while driving drunk.
Some folks don't learn lessons 'till it happens to them. And then .... :innocent:
hunter63
03-04-2010, 08:51 PM
Wow my first sticky! Thanks guys, I thought it was important.
It is good example of the way things work or can happen in real life.
Justin Case
03-04-2010, 08:55 PM
Great Thread !!
wareagle69
03-04-2010, 08:57 PM
well here i go again
this is not going to be a popular response
i know gino and les and yes they are the real deal and give great advice, but 10 courses before going solo, and sarge with his thread with what 18 or 20 questions of what you must have before going in the bush, hogwash allot of responses and threads here make me ask the same question i have before, how many of you actually get out and spend many nights a year in the bush, i have said before i spend well over 90 nights out at least, have i taken formal training, yes but only recently, from allen most of what i have done has been solo treks into the wilds of the mountains, canyons, deserts, freezing cold and so on, most times i had only my simple pack in the truck when i would get hit with the desire to head out.
obviously he made a mistake, and i'll go out and say definetly that it was hypothermia, this weekend sucked, windy and cool then no wind and warm i broke a sweat a few times. but i understand all your stances on being prepared, its actually my motto, but for crying out loud when someone says they are going camping they get hammered(yup theres that word again sarge) on what they are doing, i will say to most of you get off the computer spend some time in the out doors remember what its like to be in touch with nature.
now this feller did allot of things right as justincase already outlined, this crap that people write about don't go in the bush unless you have wally world in your back pocket, is insane, same as when i go out for a walk in the bush and people say"but theres bears out there" yup there sure is and i've seen most of then hauling arse away from me, only one of them has confronted me so far, bear attacks are rare, i am and remain adament about posting about what you know and to also learn what you can, if you are going to post about bears or hypothermia you better have your ducks in a row cuz i will call BS when i see it.
WE
Wow my first sticky!
You mean on a forum, right? :innocent:
Congrats, Hunter! :clap:
C'mon, WE, I really value reading your posts, and you write some good stuff once in a while, but ya' GOTTA' HELP ME OUT HERE!
Can you PLEEEEEZE use capital letters and sentences and periods and skip a line between paragraphs so that my eyes and my head won't hurt so much after I finish reading your posts? :innocent:
2dumb2kwit
03-04-2010, 09:21 PM
I understand what you're sayin' WE. Blaming Les for this, is kinda like blaming "The Fast and The Furious" movies for some kid wrapping his car around a tree, while driving too fast, and then saying that he didn't have any race training.
As a side note, most of the really good race car drivers that I know of, don't have any formal training.:innocent:
I understand what you're sayin' WE. Blaming Les for this, is kinda like blaming "The Fast and The Furious" movies for some kid wrapping his car around a tree, while driving too fast, and then saying that he didn't have any race training.
As a side note, most of the really good race car drivers that I know of, don't have any formal training.:innocent:
.........or driver's licenses, either. :innocent:
wareagle69
03-04-2010, 09:25 PM
C'mon, WE, I really value reading your posts, and you write some good stuff once in a while, but ya' GOTTA' HELP ME OUT HERE!
Can you PLEEEEEZE use capital letters and sentences and periods and skip a line between paragraphs so that my eyes and my head won't hurt so much after I finish reading your posts? :innocent:
nope there are two things i refuse to bow down to,the intro nazis and the proper grammer nazis
nope there are two things i refuse to bow down to,the intro nazis and the proper grammer nazis
How about the common courtesy nazis? :innocent:
BENESSE
03-04-2010, 09:34 PM
We tell every numpty this every time. Then we get flamed. Then they vow to never come to this forum again. A numpty won't read a sticky - they want instant gratification, and they want it their way. Any advice to the contrary means we're just a bunch of old F.A.R.T.S. that don't understand.
Well, I am not an old fart and I understand.
I prefer that WSF err on the side of caution every time but especially when giving advice to the younger folks.
If there is any room for interpretation they'll interpret it as support for whatever foolhardy adventure they dreamed up.
And no, they won't share any of that with their parents, you can bet on it. So we have some responsibility I think.
Well, I am not an old fart .......
Sez who? :innocent:
WE - I think you missed something in the threads. It's not about go camping and it's not about having Wally World in your back pocket. It's about folks coming on here with no clue wanting to live in the wild for a year (their words, not mine). This thread sort of says what many of us have been harping on all along. People that are not properly prepared can die. It can certainly happen to any of us and will at some point but I have no intentions of tell someone to go and have a good time knowing they don't have the skill set to do it safely.
BENESSE
03-04-2010, 09:51 PM
Sez who? :innocent:
The only one that counts.
I, me and myself.
2dumb2kwit
03-04-2010, 09:51 PM
WE - I think you missed something in the threads. It's not about go camping and it's not about having Wally World in your back pocket. It's about folks coming on here with no clue wanting to live in the wild for a year (their words, not mine). This thread sort of says what many of us have been harping on all along. People that are not properly prepared can die. It can certainly happen to any of us and will at some point but I have no intentions of tell someone to go and have a good time knowing they don't have the skill set to do it safely.
Rick, I agree with you to a point, but what I was thinking, and I'd guess that WE is thinking, is that it sometimes gets a little to far out there.....Kinda like the thread about people not being qualified to feed homeless people. The intention is to protect people from harm, but it can get pushed a little too far.
The only one that counts.
I, me and myself.
Oh. An unbiased opinion. Gotcha'! :innocent:
BENESSE
03-04-2010, 09:54 PM
Rick, I agree with you to a point, but what I was thinking, and I'd guess that WE is thinking, is that it sometimes gets a little to far out there.....Kinda like the thread about people not being qualified to feed homeless people. The intention is to protect people from harm, but it can get pushed a little too far.
I totally disagree at least from the standpoint of advice given to me.
The only one that counts.
I, me and myself.
That's three........... :innocent:
The intention is to protect people from harm, but it can get pushed a little too far.
I believe that how far it gets pushed depends on the responding poster's level of tolerance for stupidity on any given day.
Really, I think that by far most of the inquiries we get here are thoughtful and well-reasoned questions. However, I do NOT believe that there is no such thing as a stupid question - and quite often, it's probably an idiot that's posing that question just to get a rise out of us.
When a poster says "don't try to talk me out of it," alarm bells start to go off.
2dumb2kwit
03-04-2010, 10:10 PM
I totally disagree at least from the standpoint of advice given to me.
Let's look at it another way. Instead of the wilderness, let's use big cities. We wouldn't tell people who have never been in one, to go there and flaunt their cash, don't pay attention, and don't worry....nothing can happen to you. Right? Of course we wouldn't do that. We don't want to get someone hurt, or killed.
But on the other hand, do we keep posting news stories about people getting robbed, raped or murdered in big cities, and say 'see, you shouldn't go to a big cities, unless you are armed and have extensive commando training? Should we do that, so that people don't go to big cities and get hurt?
wareagle69
03-04-2010, 10:26 PM
excellent point 2d2k
rick my point here is this guy got blasted by an "expereinced camper" according to one newspaper that says that no one should go out into the winter w/o a tent, that this guy obviously did not know what he was doing, i have not used a tent in years and find my shelters way warmer than a tent ever did, the folks that go primitive or practice bush craft get labled.
As for the folks that come on here, yes i too tire of the whole year in the wild thing, but they get hit right off with sarcasm and being called a numpty so they are defensive, why not instead either not post or suggest if they have tried 3 days or 14 days and build from there not hijack the thread about being a numpty. Makes them defensive.
I think too many here have forgotten the enthusiams of being new to the bush or wilds and haveing an idea set in their head, and being headstrong and rebllious.
I think we have coddled too many kids these days, if i was told not to ride any bulls until properly trained or fought my first cage fight w/o the proper training, i would not be where i am today,mistakes are part of learning.
A quote by the late lane frost probably the best bull rider ever
"don't be afraid to go after your dreams, but don't be afraid to pay the price for those dreams"
gryffynklm
03-04-2010, 10:37 PM
2D2K, WE,
Well put.
:clap::clap::clap::clap:
BENESSE
03-04-2010, 10:50 PM
Oh. An unbiased opinion. Gotcha'! :innocent:
Didn't say it was unbiased, just that it's only one that counts.
BENESSE
03-04-2010, 10:53 PM
Let's look at it another way. Instead of the wilderness, let's use big cities. We wouldn't tell people who have never been in one, to go there and flaunt their cash, don't pay attention, and don't worry....nothing can happen to you. Right? Of course we wouldn't do that. We don't want to get someone hurt, or killed.
But on the other hand, do we keep posting news stories about people getting robbed, raped or murdered in big cities, and say 'see, you shouldn't go to a big cities, unless you are armed and have extensive commando training? Should we do that, so that people don't go to big cities and get hurt?
Not quite the same.
You are exaggerating to prove your point.
Ole WV Coot
03-04-2010, 11:09 PM
Mistake going it alone. I have at least 55yrs practical experience in the outdoors and I wouldn't consider testing myself alone for days. I fail to see why I need to put my body in that situation unless it is necessary. It ain't practice it's as bad as the old "game" of putting your arms together and dropping a lit cigarette where they meet and the person that moves first loses. If the man was so good how come he made a fatal mistake? I wouldn't encourage anyone to jump off the roof to see if they bounce nor would I consider testing my body to see if it fails. If necessary do what you must but for survival, well it's not a game says it all.
Didn't say it was unbiased, just that it's only one that counts.
:innocent: To who?
wareagle69
03-05-2010, 08:21 AM
Mistake going it alone. I have at least 55yrs practical experience in the outdoors and I wouldn't consider testing myself alone for days. I fail to see why I need to put my body in that situation unless it is necessary. . If the man was so good how come he made a fatal .
well thats a matter of opinion, evrything i do is a matter of testing myself, if i could go out for 3 months alone i would just to see what i am made of, ask any one,ask edmund hilliary why he climbed everest "because its there"
There are thousnads of folks who head out on an adventure (thats why its called an adventure) every year and you never hear boo about it. why? cuz they lived.
I always told myself i would rather be killed by a bear or be sitting in my wheelchair when i am 50 rather than on the front porch when i am 80 saying "i wish i had", some folks can live with never testing themselves and some always will.
As far as "if he was so good how come he made a mistake" well look at les stroud he got famous at filming his mistakes and many of them he could have been seriously injured or died long before the rescue team could have gotten to him.
Live your dreams and life, just be raeady to sacrifce to get what you want
@ 2d and WE - I think your example of the city missed the mark a bit. If someone came on here and said I'm going to the city, find the worst area possible and walk down alley ways at night with cash hanging out of my pockets because I want the adventure would you say go ahead? Enjoy the adventure? My guess is not.
But when someone comes on here who obviously has no skills and no clue about the dangers in the wild it's okay to say go on and go? Enjoy yourself?
I don't think anyone has gone overboard in precautionary statements. At least I don't remember any. We've said go car camping first, practice in your back yard, take it and don't use it but at least have it, and similar type things. Everyone wants Johny to have a great time and we all want to foster the sense of adventure, answer the call. We just want Johny to come home at the end.
I see no difference in going to the bush with no skills and not understanding the danger and the character I posted about in the first paragraph. If you don't understand the dangers then there's a pretty good chance you're going to get hurt and, probably, endanger first responders/SAR in the process.
Alaskan Survivalist
03-05-2010, 01:17 PM
There thinkers and there are memorizers. I would rather be with a thinker that knows nothing and can figure things out than someone that has been lead around by the nose and shown everything. I have found the most dangerous thing in the woods is the idiot you bring with you, and learned that applies when traveling alone too.
That's it! From now on 2D and Ken stay home. You guys can't go with me anymore. See AS's post above!
2dumb2kwit
03-05-2010, 05:08 PM
That's it! From now on 2D and Ken stay home. You guys can't go with me anymore. See AS's post above!
Dang it, Uncle Rick....I'll be good.....I promise!:sneaky2:
wareagle69
03-06-2010, 07:59 PM
well after putting some thought into this here is what i came up with.
I think what irks me is how the media and others have responded to this, this point came to me this morning as i was driving down the hiway to town for breaky, i saw a fella come out of the bush with his dog and hit the hiway, not a big pack but obviously making his way down the road.
should i have stopped and told him some one died last week and he best go get a job and stop this foolish adventure he was on? how many times did richard go out in the bush and come back? i am watching a show about the west coast trail and the hardships faced on it.
How many folks have been out this year in adverse conditions and lived to tell about it but yet one person dies and they call les stroud on location to tell him about it, if it was so dangerous more folks would be dieing but yet we rarely hear about it, and beleive me we would with the international membership here, we so many are quick to denounce him and his efforts.
We live a society of fear, don't do this ,don't do that, no wonder nobody has any ambition, so much fear of dieing, no one wants to be reminded of how mortal we are, yet by pushing the limits we are truley alive. that is all i have to say on that
WE
BENESSE
03-06-2010, 08:17 PM
We live a society of fear, don't do this ,don't do that, no wonder nobody has any ambition, so much fear of dieing, no one wants to be reminded of how mortal we are, yet by pushing the limits we are truley alive. that is all i have to say on that
WE
People are pushing the limits, just not the ones you had in mind. They eat crap, smoke, drink too much and abuse their bodies, gambling along the way that they'll be the ones to beat the odds.
It's all the same thing WE, just choose your poison and admit it.
2dumb2kwit
03-06-2010, 08:19 PM
You are exaggerating to prove your point.
Weeeelllllll....yeah.:innocent:
I don't have the vocabulary to wow y'all with words, so I have to use the tools at my disposal. (You know...doin' the best ya can, with whatcha got.)
....besides, just because I'm exaggerating a bit, doesn't mean that the point isn't valid. :sneaky2: LOL
2dumb2kwit
03-06-2010, 08:21 PM
People are pushing the limits, just not the ones you had in mind. They eat crap, smoke, drink too much and abuse their bodies, gambling along the way that they'll be the ones to beat the odds.
It's all the same thing WE, just choose your poison and admit it.
How did you make the jump, from testing your limits, to poisoning yourself?
wareagle69
03-06-2010, 08:27 PM
People are pushing the limits, just not the ones you had in mind. They eat crap, smoke, drink too much and abuse their bodies, gambling along the way that they'll be the ones to beat the odds.
It's all the same thing WE, just choose your poison and admit it.
so you equate my bull riding, cage fighting, bungee jumping, trialthalon training, bear den crawling,solo treking butt to bad diet and exercise? i fail to see the six degrees of seperation in this, care to enlighten me?
BENESSE
03-06-2010, 08:29 PM
How did you make the jump, from testing your limits, to poisoning yourself?
How 'bout reading the quote verbatim from WE that I commented on?
" Originally Posted by wareagle69 View Post
We live a society of fear, don't do this ,don't do that, no wonder nobody has any ambition, so much fear of dieing, no one wants to be reminded of how mortal we are, yet by pushing the limits we are truley alive. that is all i have to say on that
WE
In light of that, I think my comment makes perfect sense if you'd just think about it for 10 consecutive seconds.
2dumb2kwit
03-06-2010, 08:37 PM
How 'bout reading the quote verbatim from WE that I commented on?
" Originally Posted by wareagle69 View Post
We live a society of fear, don't do this ,don't do that, no wonder nobody has any ambition, so much fear of dieing, no one wants to be reminded of how mortal we are, yet by pushing the limits we are truley alive. that is all i have to say on that
WE
In light of that, I think my comment makes perfect sense if you'd just think about it for 10 consecutive seconds.
I've read it, and thought about longer than 10 seconds. I guess I'm just not as smart as you, 'cuz danged if I get the connection.:innocent:
BENESSE
03-06-2010, 08:39 PM
so you equate my bull riding, cage fighting, bungee jumping, trialthalon training, bear den crawling,solo treking butt to bad diet and exercise? i fail to see the six degrees of seperation in this, care to enlighten me?
How on earth did we get to YOU in all this, when you were talking about "people" in general?
I've nothing but admiration for the way you've chosen to lead your life--but you didn't talk about that. (or did you and I missed it?)
2dumb2kwit
03-06-2010, 08:40 PM
so you equate my bull riding, cage fighting, bungee jumping, trialthalon training, bear den crawling,solo treking butt to bad diet and exercise? i fail to see the six degrees of seperation in this, care to enlighten me?
I know what you're sayin' WE....I never feel more alive than when I'm driving a race car, right to the edge of out of control.:clap:
hunter63
03-06-2010, 08:41 PM
There thinkers and there are memorizers. I would rather be with a thinker that knows nothing and can figure things out than someone that has been lead around by the nose and shown everything. I have found the most dangerous thing in the woods is the idiot you bring with you, and learned that applies when traveling alone too.
Now ain't that just the truth, especially the alone part.
wareagle69
03-06-2010, 08:44 PM
How on earth did we get to YOU in all this, when you were talking about "people" in general?
I've nothing but admiration for the way you've chosen to lead your life--but you didn't talk about that. (or did you and I missed it?)
you know me, i told you my bad qualities before, the egotistical part of me just assumed you was talking about me, cuz everone here knows how important i am, lol
2dumb2kwit
03-06-2010, 08:50 PM
Originally Posted by wareagle69
We live a society of fear, don't do this ,don't do that, no wonder nobody has any ambition, so much fear of dieing, no one wants to be reminded of how mortal we are, yet by pushing the limits we are truley alive. that is all i have to say on that
WE
People are pushing the limits, just not the ones you had in mind. They eat crap, smoke, drink too much and abuse their bodies, gambling along the way that they'll be the ones to beat the odds.
It's all the same thing WE, just choose your poison and admit it.
When you said this, I took it to mean that you thought that what WE does/did was the same as that other stuff.
That's true. He is impotent....important. :2:
BENESSE
03-06-2010, 08:52 PM
you know me, i told you my bad qualities before, the egotistical part of me just assumed you was talking about me, cuz everone here knows how important i am, lol
We can talk about you too, but I just don't have anything to criticize there.
However, when we talk about people in general, and I am one of those, I feel like I have something to throw in for consideration.
Tripwire
03-07-2010, 02:54 AM
You play the dice life rolls for you
All of us will rolls craps someday.
Id rather die out there, than cling to life in a home here.
red lake
03-07-2010, 10:49 AM
You play the dice life rolls for you
All of us will rolls craps someday.
Id rather die out there, than cling to life in a home here.
Right on brother! :clap:
So...if I find you guys injured in the woods should I just walk on by and let you have your wish? Just askin'.....
red lake
03-07-2010, 12:33 PM
Survival sometimes involves a rescue.
This incident is being discussed on two other forums I am member of. One is a wilderness canoeing forum, the other is a hunting and fishing forum. The perspective of those on each board is is so different. Some think he was a candidate for the Darwin Awards.
On one board somebody thought his arthritis may have contributed to is demise. :roll:
It has been confirmed Codes cause of death was hypothermia. -12C is not that cold but if he got wet that would be he end of him.
I think he was doing the right thing. Some talk about it, some do it. He did it and sadly not well. He paid for his errors with his life and for that my condolences go out to his family.
hunter63
03-08-2010, 01:03 PM
Survival sometimes involves a rescue.
This incident is being discussed on two other forums I am member of. One is a wilderness canoeing forum, the other is a hunting and fishing forum. The perspective of those on each board is is so different. Some think he was a candidate for the Darwin Awards.
On one board somebody thought his arthritis may have contributed to is demise. :roll:
It has been confirmed Codes cause of death was hypothermia. -12C is not that cold but if he got wet that would be he end of him.
I think he was doing the right thing. Some talk about it, some do it. He did it and sadly not well. He paid for his errors with his life and for that my condolences go out to his family.
Well said.
I have to agree with you, bad things happen to good people all the time.
Blaming it all on a TV show, is stupid.
People do stupid things all the time, and sometimes bad thing happen.
Over the years I'm sure that lots of incidents have claimed countless lives, but we just didn't hear about it.
I feel bad and also offer my condolences, to his family.
I did a lot of stupid stuff and thankfully have survived so far.
At least he didn't die of Game Boy over load, but out there, Doin' it.
red lake
04-03-2010, 10:04 AM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/survivalist-richard-codes-final-hours/article1521585/
Very good follow-up article. The author mentions a few of you guys in the article. :-)
It also confirms he used Les Stroud's book as a reference. But it seems he took out of it want he wanted and ignored other parts.
Well, personally I think that instead of b*tching about various perspectives, people could maybe take some time to learn a few lessons from this unfortunate young man, especially given the details in the follow-up article.
He wasn't prepared, his clothes weren't near good enough and those conditions weren't really that extreme
Except for a couple of previous trips, all of his education came from books and tv (possibly from internet forums as well? we don't know). So, he took on a longer trip too soon
If anyone wishes to challenge my personal first hand experience in northern boreal forest/extreme winter conditions,please recall that years ago here I confessed that I'm really a 12 year old girl scout, so now I'm 14, whatever....
I always recommend that people go through lots of personal basic training in an environment where if it becomes life threatening, they can get home or to help with ease. Then go for the more extended trips.
If people really want to go out and test their personal limits and they're of legal age so they don't have to sneak out past Ma and Pa, go ahead, be my guest. If you wind up dead, well you found out what your limits are, didn't you?
With the surge of survivalism and primitive skills, of course the media is going to jump on a self proclaimed expert who dies in the field. Remember, the media isn't about brining you the news but rather becoming popular.
Sorry to read about this gent. I do disagree with Les' comments about the training and believe he is just making them to cover his butt.
Many don't realize that it does not matter how good you are, one mistake can kill you. It can be a big mistake like walking between a momma grizz and her cubs, or it can be a little mistake like eating the wrong berry. Getting wet in November I consider a big mistake.
Hypothermia would really suck. You get soaked, to dry off means you need to take your clothes off to get them dry, dry yourself off, and try to get warm. If you don't have a wool blanket or something that will warm you when wet, you are sol. Even a wet wool blanket if it's really cold won't do the trick.
So where does that leave you?
Since I have a wife and kids, my outdoor trips are very limited. No over nighters anymore and no alone treks. It's just common sense.
I don't go looking for trouble in anything I do. I however always try to be prepared for it and hope my two angels are covering me.
I like WE's post. BUT!!! I only push the limits when "I" can afford to lose. There was a time that if I lost, it did not hurt anyone but myself.
It is what it is, survival. Sadly, this man failed this time.
crashdive123
04-05-2010, 06:01 PM
Nice post Trax. I tried to give you some rep - but alas I gotta spread the love.
gryffynklm
04-05-2010, 07:04 PM
I agree crash, and gave some rep.
I think Trax and Frank both make some good points. Folks don't stop to realize that you have to beat Mother Nature every time. She only has to win once and it's game over. A simple lightening strike. A cold rain. A flash flood. A quick wind that unleashes a widow maker. She has a LOT of tricks up her sleeve.
Swamprat1958
04-07-2010, 10:32 AM
Great post.
I think Trax and Frank both make some good points. Folks don't stop to realize that you have to beat Mother Nature every time. She only has to win once and it's game over. A simple lightening strike. A cold rain. A flash flood. A quick wind that unleashes a widow maker. She has a LOT of tricks up her sleeve.
I still think the best wilderness survival skills are about learning to live with nature rather than in competition with nature. (And I think this is where brother WarEagle and I agree most wholeheartedly, I admire the work he does out there) Those are certainly still the threads I learn the most from, and the stuff I'm still learning to practice the most when my boots are in the field. But people tend to go running off out there with a general lack of respect (read "stupidity" IMHO) for what they're dealing with....and wind up dead.
Rev.Moonshine
05-02-2010, 09:24 AM
sad story.
Unfortuantly some fall for the extreme survival gimmick they show on tv.
out machoing nature seldom works out.
planning preparation and common sense is still the way to go.
even tho the thought is thrilling at least in fantasy.
Personal experience usually jerks me back from fantasy land tho.
but sometimes i fall for the temptation of thinking about it.
(when i am warm and cozy in my bed just before i fall asleep)
I feel survival has become bogged down in theory many authors
list page up and down of edibles and a thousand ways to to make every imaginable tool from nothing in the wilderness.
instead of writing about common sense and safe guidelines.
KurtistheTurtle
06-15-2010, 03:28 PM
Common sense isn't something that can be taught in books or on TV. It requires critical thinking and chances to make mistakes. I'm sad this happened and sorry for the family and other relations. RIP, man. On the bright side, I'm glad he went out doing what he loved.
koldriana
09-09-2010, 04:32 PM
Wow, this is right around my area. I feel bad for him, this area can get pretty strange weather. One minute its warm, the next you have a torrential downpour with high winds and it's not even winter yet!
I'm hoping by next year at around this time I'll be ready to try something like this also but I'm still taking ALL my gear - just in case ;) If you have it why not bring it right?
your_comforting_company
09-10-2010, 06:55 AM
I understand your desire to try something like this, but I strongly encourage you to get a few years under your belt before heading off into the wilderness. Many of us have been practicing outdoor skills since we were itty-bitty babies. From what I understand you guys are just starting out.
In an environment as harsh and unforgiving as your area, I would definately be certain I could meet all of my needs before heading out. Just like the title says, "It's not a game!"
How are you doing with the firemaking? A little knowledge boosts your confidence. I find that the more I learn, the more I need to learn, Every time I learn a new trick or skill, I find that my path branches. That usually levels me back out.
Don't get out there, miles from anywhere, without the proper buffers in place. Skills gear, and knowledge will get you back home. Overconfidence and ignorance likely won't, as we see in this example.
If you have it.. bring it! Better to have it and not need it, than the opposite
koldriana
09-10-2010, 08:42 AM
I understand your desire to try something like this, but I strongly encourage you to get a few years under your belt before heading off into the wilderness.
Oh no, I think you misunderstood. NO WAY I would just go without anything..I was just talking about 'regular' camping with all the gear and just trying to do things without it if possible but still having everything with us - Not to worry, I'm new, not stupid :P
letslearntogether47
09-28-2010, 06:54 PM
I think the story should have mentioned the circumstances of his death.
My guess is that he fell into the water and got soaked while fishing.Lost his way back to the shelter where all his supplies were(including fire making).Also,even though the cause of death was hypothermia.He could have suffered an injury or even a stroke before that caused death.
I for one would like to know exactly what happened.
Ssgt_DimeBag
03-26-2011, 03:21 AM
Thats sad.
MidWestMat
03-26-2011, 12:21 PM
where does the accountability fall? on himself? on Les? On the Landlady?
It's sad and people really need to get this out of their heads.. come on.. right now they are saying he died of hypothermia? that's what happens if you refuse to take backup gear. preparation, and location...
At least he was old enough to make his own decisions, but that sounds like hockey to me. hypothermia. I'd like more details too.
How can the responsibility lie anywhere other than himself? He read up to gain knowledge, and was practicing his skills not for the first time. Much I am sure as many of us do. However, survival situations are dangerous and an accident can kill you. Same with canoeing, rockclimbing, hunting, fishing, ...
BC-Dave
04-05-2011, 12:14 AM
I haven't read this whole thread but I personally didn't like that news article on the first post.
To me it made it seem like it was hinting the cause of blame on Les Stroud's Survivorman. The guy was 41 and clearly made his own decisions in life. A show can influence you, but it can't make you do something. And it even said he had experience.
And I'm sorry but I laugh out loud to saying the show is so much for 'entertainment' purposes. Yeah... the guy is sitting there cold and miserable telling you how lonely he is. Compare that to a guy pole vaulting down a rock cliff with a stick.
jake abraham
08-02-2011, 06:51 PM
I am new to this i have been in the woods quite abit hunting fishing but about going out in that type of weather I just do not have the knowledge to go by myself i have been reading this forum for about three weeks i like what i have read so far i do feel for his family I will keep reading and practicing what Ihave learned from all of you thank you for sharing
Phaedrus
08-15-2011, 04:10 AM
The thing that should scare us all a bit was the list of his gear; he carried most of the stuff that we all advocate having in our survival kits. I'm not sure just what went wrong but I did read elsewhere that he suffered from CFS (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome). When experiencing a particularly bad episode just sitting up can be difficult, much less making shelter and fire or obtaining food and water. And once hypothermia sets in, it can be very dangerous to be alone. You're mental processes can spiral downhill pretty quickly, making simple tasks nearly impossible. Did he attempt to deploy his space blanket or did he even realize he was in trouble? He had a lighter & matches as well as an axe and multitool- in the middle of a forest! Was he unprepared to make fire or just too weakened by the cold and his CFS?
We will probably never know but it's sobering to realize that he was a pretty experienced outdoorsman, carrying what we would probably have...yet didn't survive.
Oh, BTW: Yeah, the article did kind of suck. They did repeated mention Stroud in a way that somehow implied he had some culpability. Bullpuckey! Les really keeps it real shows just how miserable a survival situation can actually be. Bear is much more likely to get someone killed than Les. Still, ultimately the viewer has to own their actions.
Mad Cow
08-15-2011, 03:15 PM
I dont blame the TV shows. To me that's silly. What I dont like about them is that they dont stress the point that surviving is NOT living. That you just are not going to run into the wilds with your Mora and 100' of para cord and live like a king. Sure, use the natives and mountain men as an example, but the truth is, they starved, were cold, and died allot. This is a sad story. The fellow should have read the disclaimer that discovery puts on before the shows.
mouse111111
09-22-2011, 10:02 PM
What's bad is I have friends that want to try this kind of stuff, of course I discourage it, it'll be a year or two before I try anything over 3 days. They are also the kind of people that skip the navigation and first aid section in a book and go straight to the hunting and skinning section.
hunter63
12-07-2011, 07:29 PM
Yet again an unplanned detour turns deadly........82 year old women dies trying to hike out of the forest.....86 years old husband did survive.
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/article_4760eef8-2112-11e1-abea-001871e3ce6c.html
That's too bad. Sometimes you do have to stop at the gas station for directions. Hope he recovers okay.
Wildthang
12-27-2011, 10:01 PM
Well you just have to know your limitations, and that is the responsibility of each individual that decides to learn anything, from survival to riding motorcycles. So when a beginner decides to push himself beyong his skill level, he must be wiling to face the consequences.
I have seen kids buy a new sportsbike, and by the 2nd day trying to do wheelies, riding 160mph, and talking and acting like they have been riding their entire life. and a lot of them die instantly as a result.
So it's not just survival that gets people in trouble, it is human nature. We all want to beleive that we can master a skill without adequate experience, but some of us know and understand our limitations. The ones that dont, either luck out or die!
wholsomback
02-15-2012, 01:38 AM
Well you can talk till you are blue in the face these days,people just don't listen and they think if a guy on tv does it I can do it better.Well the sad fact is is that even if someone would have said stop you would probably just have gotten the finger and a few choice words.SURVIVAL is no joke and is not playtime.I in my USMC days took all of the survival courses and they let you know you are only one step away from death,it only takes one mis-step and you are done.That is why most of those shows say don't try this at home,because you shouldn't.It's good to practice technique and learn all you can but save survival for what it is, survival.Don't put yourself or another(rescuers) in bad situations where someone could die just for self gratifacation,it is not worth it.I have been in real survival situations before and training works just fine,if you know what to do and keep your head you have a chance.
kyratshooter
02-15-2012, 12:37 PM
Hey!!!
I stayed out of this one for two years and 5 pages of posts!!
How did that happen?
Must I remind everyone here that survival is a verb, not a noun.
Survival is something one accomplishes, not something that sneeks up and jumps on you or runs away laughing at your death.
Death is the result of NOT surviving, it is not the result of survival.
Survival is not a skill, it is the result of the use of a skill set. One hones that skill set while hoping to never need it. One practices the skill set under safe and controlled conditions as an alternate use of tools and knowledge.
One does not place himself in a position where the skill set is necessary on purpose, as in "I am going out to survive in the wilderness" or "I am going out to practice my survival." That would indicate that one is purposely placing oneself in harms' way, and is that not a mental defect? A suecidal impulse no less?
There is a great difference between the old man that makes a wrong turn that results in death, and the young or old man who runs to the woods without proper gear or training to "survive".
One is mistaken, the other is defective.
hunter63
02-15-2012, 12:42 PM
KRS, you are spot on....and I have said may times, "I have never went out "surviving' ...on purpose".
Great post. Now, if you'll excuse me I need to go practice survival.
letslearntogether47
02-15-2012, 04:01 PM
Great post. Now, if you'll excuse me I need to go practice survival.
Ok,just be safe and don't forget to bring an umbrella.
crashdive123
02-15-2012, 06:50 PM
....and a survival knife.
crashdive123
02-15-2012, 06:52 PM
Oh - and a
survival gun
survival tarp
survival spam
survival canteen
survival shoes
survival belt
survival pack
survival whistle
survival mirror
survival hong
survival radio
Seems that not only is it a verb, but an adjective as well.:innocent:
kyratshooter
02-15-2012, 07:04 PM
Now Crash, after camping with you for a weekend I can insure that the two of us would truly survive for at least a month as long as we could stay warm, sheltered and had a good pot of coffee. Living off the "fat of the land" as it were.
If we each had all that stuff we would just call it "camping".
Is the umbrella camo? How about orange? Which is the official "survival color"?
crashdive123
02-15-2012, 07:06 PM
Well that's true......would that be survival camping?http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii67/crashdive123/Forum%20Fun/mega5.gif
the two of us would truly survive for at least a month as long as we could stay warm
I'm not EVEN gonna ask what when on when you two went camping. Nope. Don't wanna know.
I survived by the way. I know ya'll were worried. It was just to the mailbox and back but, hey, things happen.
BENESSE
02-16-2012, 12:07 AM
You know it was the jamboree that sealed the deal.
Next tihing you know they'll be registering at Cheaper Than Dirt.
Daniel Nighteyes
03-15-2012, 07:32 PM
I don't want to be the wet blanket, so to speak, but true survival situations are, by definition, risky at the very best.
In my not-so-humble and somewhat experienced opinion, NO ONE (including yours truly) should willingly, intentionally, place themselves in situations where true life-or-death survival is at stake. Even the most experienced outdoorsmen (mountain men, NDNs, other aboriginals, etc.) frequently died in true survival situations. Let there be no mistake about that.
Want to practice your skills? GREAT! In fact I encourage it, but please do so in a situation where back-up support is readily available in the event your practice should fail. Said back-up doesn't have to be much -- just enough to ensure that you don't become food and/or fertilizer for the indigenous wildlife and plants.
Regards,
-- Nighteyes
Wildthang
03-21-2012, 07:47 PM
Yeah I honestly hope I never have to truly survive again, and just hope I know enough if I ever do! Almost every survival situation has different factors, and odds can turn against even the best of survivors and it is usually unexpacted. I hate that oh fudge feeling you get when it dawns on you that things just turned for the worst! That's the moment you have to clear the mind and make the plan.
But I swear that feeling is something you never forget!
hunter63
04-02-2012, 10:18 PM
Know what your doing and being prepared helps save your life.
http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/lost-33715-safe-bear.html
And having a plan with someone you trust. A+ in my book.
Wildthang
04-04-2012, 07:40 AM
Know what your doing and being prepared helps save your life.
http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/lost-33715-safe-bear.html
That is a great example of being prepared. You see some people on hiking trails sometimes that do not have as much as a fanny pack with a water bottle and just wonder what they are thinking?
dizralph
07-07-2012, 07:29 PM
He was missing some stuff in order to survive.
Celticwarrior
07-07-2012, 07:42 PM
I think that every Les Stroud/Bear Grylls wannabe should go out and do this as soon as possible, and let Darwinism remove them from the gene pool. Maybe we will have a smarter society as a result. Too many people think that they are somehow too smart, too important, and too amazing to actually DIE when they go out and do stupid things without any safety net 'just in case' of the worst case scenario. I think the same holds true for people who go out into the ocean on ill-equipped boats or even jet skis, or go hiking up a mountain without any gear or checking the weather reports, or go backcountry skiing without regard for getting lost/injured or avalanches. If you are dumb enough to go out into nature and not have enough respect for what it can do to us frail humans to pack accordingly, then you likely deserve whatever happens to you. Sounds harsh, but that's the way things are out in the wild. I feel bad for their families, but I won't shed a tear over someone who intentionally puts themselves out there and then dies when they don't prove hardy enough for the challenge.
dizralph
07-07-2012, 07:49 PM
Maybe we will have a smarter society as a result. Too many people think that they are somehow too smart, too important, and too amazing to actually DIE when they go out and do stupid things without any safety net 'just in case' of the worst case scenario. If you are dumb enough to go out into nature and not have enough respect for what it can do to us frail humans to pack accordingly, then you likely deserve whatever happens to you. Sounds harsh, but that's the way things are out in the wild. I feel bad for their families, but I won't shed a tear over someone who intentionally puts themselves out there and then dies when they don't prove hardy enough for the challenge.This x100.
lilshadowxzx
07-29-2013, 09:37 PM
why would anyone learn survival skills exclusively from tv? don't they specifically state NOT to attempt this? especially without actual training from professionals/experienced teachers?
Kudos
01-01-2014, 06:18 PM
I live close to the Wilderness and would like to believe that I possess enough to be able to make it if the need arose but, to be honest, I am intensely aware of just how dangerous it can be especially in Winter.
A Weekend trip into the woods for fun knowing that your car is not far away is one thing but trying to Survive with the minimum of equipment is far removed from that. Even with a full set of well prepared equipment there are still major challenges and dangers that could result in far less than a happy ending.
I would also consider it extremely unwise to venture into the Wilderness alone especially in Winter especially with no means of contacting the outside World. One fall resulting in a disabling injury could result in a grave and/or Life threatening situation very quickly. Let's not even consider an Animal attack or being unable to start a fire.........
msbhvn
04-16-2014, 03:35 PM
wow this really is an eye opener...thanks
Tokwan
06-15-2014, 09:31 PM
I guess that when everyone sees the TV shows (be it Bear Grylls, Les Stroud, Dual Survival and the good looking Ruth), we seem to think that once we know the "art of survival", we will make it safely back to civilization.
Actually, we learn or go in depth about surviving the wild, woods, forest, make our own survival kits, it is to know how to survive and gives us a chance to maybe get out of it safely. It gives us chance as I said...not 100% guarantee. We have even seen experts on TV not able to complete their "handed a situation" task and they have to bail out. Life is like a car..it starts, work and sometimes it has some problem, it doesn't start.
Its okay to practice, but enroll in a survival school first, learn from the experts, then practice at safe surroundings in safe situations. Even if one is an expert, we always pray that we do not need to use our survival kits.
ninjasurvivor
07-15-2014, 04:12 PM
About a month ago an alleged "experienced" survivalist named Mike Herdman set off bare foot at night to look for his dog who ran off in the Los Padres wilderness. They found his body two weeks later 3/4 mile away up a 1200 foot tall cliff. His body was in such an odd place that searches hadn't bothered looking there and just happened to see it from the air by random chance. He died from blunt force trauma from falling down the cliff.
It remains unknown why he would choose to go off in such a remote area with no supplies or shoes. You'd think if you were really trying to search for a dog then you'd go back and get a flashlight and shoes. Even more baffling was why he attempted to scale and huge cliff under such conditions.
This serves as a good real life lesson to the rest of us. Poor decision making and lack of supplies will get you killed. Prior knowledge and experiences amounts to nothing in such conditions.
Asiza
09-07-2014, 03:34 PM
We tell every numpty this every time. Then we get flamed. Then they vow to never come to this forum again. A numpty won't read a sticky - they want instant gratification, and they want it their way. Any advice to the contrary means we're just a bunch of old F.A.R.T.S. that don't understand.
Sadly, our society was groomed to be an instant gratification one. Easier to control them when they are groomed to have little 'real' knowledge, an inflated sense of self entitlement, and have been pampered with guaranteed electricity, food, medical care, and 'education'. Most in America would die of hypothermia in their own homes without our modern conveniences. The rest of the world doesn't live like that (98% would think the poorest of us rich). We were groomed for stupidity by our own betterment in life.
Asiza
09-07-2014, 03:46 PM
well here i go again
this is not going to be a popular response
i know gino and les and yes they are the real deal and give great advice, but 10 courses before going solo, and sarge with his thread with what 18 or 20 questions of what you must have before going in the bush, hogwash allot of responses and threads here make me ask the same question i have before, how many of you actually get out and spend many nights a year in the bush, i have said before i spend well over 90 nights out at least, have i taken formal training, yes but only recently, from allen most of what i have done has been solo treks into the wilds of the mountains, canyons, deserts, freezing cold and so on, most times i had only my simple pack in the truck when i would get hit with the desire to head out.
obviously he made a mistake, and i'll go out and say definetly that it was hypothermia, this weekend sucked, windy and cool then no wind and warm i broke a sweat a few times. but i understand all your stances on being prepared, its actually my motto, but for crying out loud when someone says they are going camping they get hammered(yup theres that word again sarge) on what they are doing, i will say to most of you get off the computer spend some time in the out doors remember what its like to be in touch with nature.
now this feller did allot of things right as justincase already outlined, this crap that people write about don't go in the bush unless you have wally world in your back pocket, is insane, same as when i go out for a walk in the bush and people say"but theres bears out there" yup there sure is and i've seen most of then hauling arse away from me, only one of them has confronted me so far, bear attacks are rare, i am and remain adament about posting about what you know and to also learn what you can, if you are going to post about bears or hypothermia you better have your ducks in a row cuz i will call BS when i see it.
WE
Lol, You sound like my father :) I grew up listening to his mountain man stuff. He's had more than bears meet him, face to face, at the top of a ridge though, and all of them ran (including him). He always told me, if a bear attacks, for some reason, "play dead and let them bat you around". If they think you are not a threat, they will leave you alone. The one that attack are usually mothers anyway so, I get that. And as for hypothermia, my dad said it's better to be naked and dry than layered with sweat ...
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09-07-2014, 05:20 PM
Came across a Quote from the Movie, The Outlaw Josey Wales.
Has some value in survival,
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09-07-2014, 06:57 PM
Is the umbrella camo? How about orange? Which is the official "survival color"?
I didnt see an answer to Kyratshooters question, but the recent discussion about camo painting everything from boats to significant others made me think about it. I wonder what you all think about this question. For myself, when I am hunting it is camo (with the regulation amount of hunter orange if applicable). When I am hiking/climbing I favor reds, oranges, and yellows (including the tent, backpack, etc.)
My preference for bright colors comes from experiences looking for missing hikers and climbers. Bright colors make a big difference in spotting them from the ground or the air as compared to dark colors and camo. As an example, a fallen climber lying on a glacier snowfield who is wearing dark brown, black, grey, dark green, etc., looks like a rock outcrop. OTOH someone who is wearing red, orange, or yellow, stands out (reverse pun not intended) very clearly even if they are not moving at all. In the jungle or dense forest or desert, white stands out best to my eyes. When time is of the essence, I hope that the person we are looking for is wearing bright colors.
Maybe it all boils down to what you envision as your personal survival scenario. In the ones I picture myself being in, I would want to be found as quickly as possible.
Anyway. My vote for the official wilderness survival color is Orange. (Ill try not to get lost during Fall when the aspens are turning.) Any other votes?
I think bright colors are important. The rain cover on my newer pack is orange so I can stand out if I need to but I don't have to stand out all the time.
Tokwan
09-10-2014, 08:48 PM
I think there is no official color as I see lots of safety vests using orange, yellow or luminous green. To me a survival color should be bright, so that you are easily seen. Its regardless if you are in orange, yellow, red, luminous green or white or even aluminum...as long as you stand out in contrast to the backgrounds, you should be able to be seen.
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04-09-2015, 07:28 AM
We tell every numpty this every time. Then we get flamed. Then they vow to never come to this forum again. A numpty won't read a sticky - they want instant gratification, and they want it their way. Any advice to the contrary means we're just a bunch of old F.A.R.T.S. that don't understand.
Well said.
Dipsh1ts never want to listen to the Old farts. :-) The intelligent, serious, smart young (and older who should allready know) people book survival courses, then leanr how ignorant they REALLY are.
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I agree that you need info, a mentor, and practice to go do "survival" camping.
Been there, done that.
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We get all sorts of people, who have all sorts of outdoor pursuits coming on the course. A very small amount would be the typical doomsday "Survivalists" type, who think that camping out with cammo gear and carving wooden spoons is 'survival'. :-)
Bushwalkers, Defense Personell, Paragliders, Kayakers, Climbers, Teachers, 4WD enthusiasts, Ultra Marathon runners, Bush Fire Fighters, Cross Country motorcyclists, Snowboarders etc etc
Australia is such a vast country, with so many outdoor pursuits available, that most clients simply want to learn proper survival skills (self rescue), not camping skills. :-)
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