How to Handle Climate Change Deniers at Work.

[Justin Case]

How to Handle Climate Change Deniers at Work.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5nNbPWYHOA




(sorry, couldn't help it ) :whistling:

[Ken]

That
was
Funny!
:clap:

[BENESSE]

Nice!!!
Good advice too.

[hunter63]

Thats funny.
Local paper had a cartoon last week, Al Gore with his tongue stuck to a steel pole.

[Pict]

Yes, weather is not climate. Weather is something that you shovel out of the driveway, climate change is something that requires faith in Algore.

Mac

[crashdive123]

:innocent:Well........he did invent the internet.:innocent:

[Justin Case]

here's another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zo7wTOdc_M

[crashdive123]

Sorry - I know whom ever produced that intended for it to send a message. The only message it sends is the they're moon bats.

[LowKey]

yeah, and everyone is noticing now with the recent hoohaw over the allegedly fudged data that it's "climate change" now and not "global warming".
Don't get me started.

[2dumb2kwit]

yeah, and everyone is noticing now with the recent hoohaw over the allegedly fudged data that it's "climate change" now and not "global warming".
Don't get me started.

I'm with ya......If you want to see the "climate change" gang really blow a gasket, throw some real facts at them. LOL

[2dumb2kwit]

here's another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zo7wTOdc_M

If they had left out the part about the humans, I'd say that's about the kind of logic that a bunch of the warmers use. LOL:innocent:

[Ken]

More importantly, my local pizza joint just added jumbo shrimp pizzas to their menu. Two jumbo shrimp per slice.

They delivered one about 10 minutes ago. It was great! :clap:

[Justin Case]

More importantly, my local pizza joint just added jumbo shrimp pizzas to their menu. Two jumbo shrimp per slice.

They delivered one about 10 minutes ago. It was great! :clap:

yuk,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[2dumb2kwit]

More importantly, my local pizza joint just added jumbo shrimp pizzas to their menu. Two jumbo shrimp per slice.

They delivered one about 10 minutes ago. It was great! :clap:

How much does a large pizza cost, up there?

[Ken]

How much does a large pizza cost, up there?

Large Shrimp is a bit more expensive than most. $15.99

Small Cheese is $6.00 Large is $10.00

Small Special is $9.15 Large is $15.50

Small Fried Clam is $11.99. Large is $16.99 (Rick would love those!)

[Justin Case]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNrGhekg8GI

[2dumb2kwit]

Large Shrimp is a bit more expensive than most. $15.99

Small Cheese is $6.00 Large is $10.00

Small Special is $9.15 Large is $15.50

Small Fried Clam is $11.99. Large is $16.99 (Rick would love those!)

Heck, those prices ain't bad. I thought it would be crazy expensive up there.

[crashdive123]

yeah, and everyone is noticing now with the recent hoohaw over the allegedly fudged data that it's "climate change" now and not "global warming".
Don't get me started.

Allegedly fudged data???? Now that right there is funny, I don't care who you are.

[Winnie]

Well it's so warm over here, I've got another 2" of snow!

[glockcop]

Yes, weather is not climate. Weather is something that you shovel out of the driveway, climate change is something that requires faith in Algore.

Mac

Actually, Al Gore's climate change is something you shovel out of a horse stable :).

[glockcop]

Sorry - I know whom ever produced that intended for it to send a message. The only message it sends is the they're moon bats.

Go Crash. "He's one bad motha.....hush yo mouth.....I'm just talking bout Crash.....I can dig it".

[Pict]

"You can't reason someone out of a position they wern't reasoned into in the first place."
- Mark Twain

[LowKey]

I used the term 'allegedly' rather tongue-in-cheek-wise. ;)
Anyone that can flatten out a curve like that is doing more than simple log transformations. Not to mention trying to correlate two totally different data sets that don't correlate.

Fried clam pizza???
Now that really IS yuk-inducing.

[Justin Case]

Climate change is real, It cycles and had since the dawn of time,, Man Made "global warming"? well for me, the jury is still out on that, IMO

[LostOutrider]

Even when you shift a few degrees up in average yearly temp, you still get winter. Warmer waters are more likely to cause precipitation. Higher levels of precipitation during winter means snow.

Sorry guys. The whole, "It is snowing, so take THAT you stupid scientists!" argument is just silly.

[Justin Case]

Agreed,, ,,,,,,

[2dumb2kwit]

Even when you shift a few degrees up in average yearly temp, you still get winter. Warmer waters are more likely to cause precipitation. Higher levels of precipitation during winter means snow.

Sorry guys. The whole, "It is snowing, so take THAT you stupid scientists!" argument is just silly.

You're right. That is silly....and is usually said tongue in cheek.

It is beyond silly, to not at least listen to scientist who say thing contrary to what Al Gore says, and have the evidense to back it up.

It is silly to blindly believe anyone...especially after their information has been shown to be flawed.

It is silly not to ask, what do these people have to gain, by convincing people of what they are saying.

It is silly not to ask, If it is so bad, why is it Ok, as long as I give you money.

I can go on, if you want.:innocent:

[Geronimo!]

You're right. That is silly....and is usually said tongue in cheek.

It is beyond silly, to not at least listen to scientist who say thing contrary to what Al Gore says, and have the evidense to back it up.

It is silly to blindly believe anyone...especially after their information has been shown to be flawed.

It is silly not to ask, what do these people have to gain, by convincing people of what they are saying.

It is silly not to ask, If it is so bad, why is it Ok, as long as I give you money.

I can go on, if you want.:innocent:

Someone feeling guilty for not buying their carbon credits?

The one piece of fact that I will add to this thread is that about 99% of carbon emissions on the planet come from volcanos, NOT HUMANS. Put that in your hybrid.

[LostOutrider]

It is beyond silly, to not at least listen to scientist who say thing contrary to what Al Gore says, and have the evidense to back it up.


It is hilarious that you referenced just one scientist. That is the kind of typo that makes me smile. (since I'm prone to 'em myself) And Gore isn't a scientist, he's just the same kind of pol the rest of 'em are. It sells him some books and gets him some speaking gigs. Also helps polarize the slobbering masses into waving misspelled slogans on signs as a way to feel like they're actually going to do something about it.


Still, for as long as I enjoy the wild places - I will go along with nearly anything that will keep them pristine. A volcano may be worse, overall, than a coal plant next to my favorite lake - but I wouldn't want them building a volcano there, either.

This little online community never fails to surprise me. The same folks who would never think of leaving a campsite littered (even if it wasn't their trash) will thumb their nose at much larger efforts to keep corporations from ravaging the environment. It is a matter of scale. I guess if it happens somewhere else, it is alright.

[2dumb2kwit]

It is hilarious that you referenced just one scientist. That is the kind of typo that makes me smile. (since I'm prone to 'em myself)
Oops....That did kinda change the meaning, didn't it. LOL:blushing:

And Gore isn't a scientist, he's just the same kind of pol the rest of 'em are. It sells him some books and gets him some speaking gigs. Also helps polarize the slobbering masses into waving misspelled slogans on signs as a way to feel like they're actually going to do something about it.


Still, for as long as I enjoy the wild places - I will go along with nearly anything that will keep them pristine. A volcano may be worse, overall, than a coal plant next to my favorite lake - but I wouldn't want them building a volcano there, either.

This little online community never fails to surprise me. The same folks who would never think of leaving a campsite littered (even if it wasn't their trash) will thumb their nose at much larger efforts to keep corporations from ravaging the environment.

Just because I don't think something causes "global warming", doesn't mean that I think it's OK to do it.
It is a matter of scale. I guess if it happens somewhere else, it is alright.

That's not how I see it.
I see it more like the side affects of medications.
Some drugs have way more bad side affects, than they have benefits.
Some drugs have great benefits, and hardly any bad side affects.
Some drugs are in between the two.
It seems to me that most of the hard core "global warming" crowd, want us to do away with all drugs that have any side affects what so ever, and don't even consider the benefits.

[LostOutrider]

Guess that's why I tend to avoid any kind of hard core crowd. Be it Fox bobbleheads, TEAbaggers, or Hollywood-politico nutcases.

But not TEOTWAWKI/SHTF folks. . . they're just fun.

[2dumb2kwit]

Guess that's why I tend to avoid any kind of hard core crowd. Be it Fox bobbleheads, TEAbaggers, or Hollywood-politico nutcases.

But not TEOTWAWKI/SHTF folks. . . they're just fun.

I'm sure that most of us are a lot closer to the middle, than whoever we are debating will ever admit, LOL:innocent:

(Not to mention, that most debates send us flying to the extremes.) LOL

[LowKey]

that about 99% of carbon emissions on the planet come from volcanos, NOT HUMANS.
Actually that's not entirely true. What volcanos do is pump a lot of ash and sulphur dioxide out there, CO2 is only a very small factor. If the eruption is huge and the ash goes stratospheric, it actually creates a cooling trend.

The whole problem as I see it is this focus on CO2. There are many other greenhouse gases, some of them far more damaging than CO2 that barely get mentioned.
This is the order greenhouses gases appear from highest concentration to lowest:
1. water vapor
2. CO2
3. methane
4. nitrous oxide
5. ozone
6. chlorofluorocarbons
It is unfortunate that water vapor is most abundant and the best insulator...while chloroflurocarbons are the most damaging.

And while the EPA says that respired CO2 is a closed loop and isn't counted in the equations for "climate change", I find it really hard to believe that cutting down forests and paving or building on the land combined with the human population growing to 6x what it was in 1900 isn't a factor... I saw a student paper recently where they graphed the rise in CO2 on top of the rise in global population. The two graphs darn near match.

I just watched a Nova special on the melting of glacial and polar ice. Gotta go out and build my dock. Gonna be waterfront in a 100 years or so...
Might want to start thinking about a desalinization plant too...

[finallyME]

I saw a student paper recently where they graphed the rise in CO2 on top of the rise in global population. The two graphs darn near match.


Got to love misinformation. How does a link between population increase and CO2 increase show that CO2 causes global warming? Or, that man made CO2 causes global warming?

[2dumb2kwit]

Got to love misinformation. How does a link between population increase and CO2 increase show that CO2 causes global warming? Or, that man made CO2 causes global warming?

...and what about all the ups and downs in the amount of co2, before people were an issue?

[finallyME]

...and what about all the ups and downs in the amount of co2, before people were an issue?

You could also look at the heating potential of CO2. The reason it is a green house gas is because it absorbs certain wavelengths of energy emitted from the sun. But, there is only so much of that type of energy. The sun emits a certain amount of radiation at a certain rate. That rate doesn't change much ( at least in the short term, few billion years). If there is enough CO2 in the atmosphere to capture all of the available energy from the sun, then adding more CO2 won't have any more warming effects, because it can't capture any more energy. We are already at that threshold.

[Rick]

That's true for solar but does not take into affect the CO2 produced on the planet whether by volcano or any other source. Here's an older but still great article on CO2 levels in the Eocene and how they compare to today.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/09/060928-hot-earth.html

[2dumb2kwit]

Here is some more info, about CO2 levels vs. temp.'s.
Kinda long winded, but pretty informative.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/30/co2-temperatures-and-ice-ages/

[Rick]

You guys have failed to factor in the math. If you assign the proper Algorerythems you'll see it plain as day.

[2dumb2kwit]

You guys have failed to factor in the math. If you assign the proper Algorerythems you'll see it plain as day.

Dang it! You'd think I would have caught that. I was in the "gifted and talented" program, for excelling at math, when I was in Jr. high and high school.:blushing:

[Rick]

I took most grades more than once so that probably explains it.

[DOGMAN]

I say there is no doubt in my eyes, that we are going through a global warming period. I find it alarming that glaciers are melting faster than normal and huge chunks of Antartica are calving off and breaking up. Why this is happening and whats the cause is debateable.

All I know is if we can change the way we are doing things a little and do things in a more efficent and sustainable way- thats a good thing...weather global warming being human caused- or not.

America needs jobs, we need a new economy, because the old one is busted. Why not go green, why not go sustainable? As is...we are not going anywhere...the economy is stalled. I say lets build tons of wind powered generators and overhaul everything...it will at least stimulate the economy

[LowKey]

For some reason your combination of "America needs jobs" and "powered generators" brought to mind an image of people in large gerbil wheels jogging for money to create power. Sorry, had to share.

No one knows what is causing the temperature spike. That man has contributed, probably. That some men will capitalize on it, definitely.

The Earth, she is fickle. I leave you with this (it's concise, even if it is Wiki)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer
Are you prepared?
:cold:

[2dumb2kwit]

All I know is if we can change the way we are doing things a little and do things in a more efficent and sustainable way- thats a good thing...weather global warming being human caused- or not.


Exactly!!! That's the message that needs to be pushed.:clap:

[DOGMAN]

For some reason your combination of "America needs jobs" and "powered generators" brought to mind an image of people in large gerbil wheels jogging for money to create power. Sorry, had to share.

No one knows what is causing the temperature spike. That man has contributed, probably. That some men will capitalize on it, definitely.

The Earth, she is fickle. I leave you with this (it's concise, even if it is Wiki)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer
Are you prepared?
:cold:

the human powered generator is a great idea!
Think of the possibilities
- inmates in prison..everyday a 9 hour shift on the wheel
-before you can get an unemployment check...9 hours on the wheel
-welfare...only after the mandatory run on the wheel
-late payments on college loans...work them off!
We could get America into shape and generate power!

[glockcop]

It is hilarious that you referenced just one scientist. That is the kind of typo that makes me smile. (since I'm prone to 'em myself) And Gore isn't a scientist, he's just the same kind of pol the rest of 'em are. It sells him some books and gets him some speaking gigs. Also helps polarize the slobbering masses into waving misspelled slogans on signs as a way to feel like they're actually going to do something about it.


Still, for as long as I enjoy the wild places - I will go along with nearly anything that will keep them pristine. A volcano may be worse, overall, than a coal plant next to my favorite lake - but I wouldn't want them building a volcano there, either.

This little online community never fails to surprise me. The same folks who would never think of leaving a campsite littered (even if it wasn't their trash) will thumb their nose at much larger efforts to keep corporations from ravaging the environment. It is a matter of scale. I guess if it happens somewhere else, it is alright.

Not at all. It happening somewhere else is not "alright" with me. There are bigger forces at work destroying the wilds than CO2. I do not relish the thought of wild places being destroyed. Personally, it is a matter of preserving my "character". I'm not gonna jump on the band wagon to save the "polar bears" or whatever, when I don't believe the propaganda. You may feel comfortable doing that. I do not. I will not "live a lie" to "save a tree" when I can read between the lines. I love the wilderness just as much as the next guy but my integrity is not for sale no matter how many baby seals it "saves". I see 90% of this as trash science contrived to line the pockets of a few elite at our expense. I will not be jumping through Al Gore's hoops to "save the rain forest" that loggers are actually destroying; not my truck's emmissions or cow farts. Some may call me closed minded but my eyes are wide open to the reality of the rich getting richer over their lies. I wonder if Al Gore is gonna take any of the billions of dollars he stands to make and buy up some vast wild areas for conservation and preservation. Don't count on it. His motivations are somewhere else. Please don't attempted to box up the members of "this little online community" into a prejudged sterotyped package. I am sure that "it happening somewhere else" is not "alright" with most folks here. Intelligence and common sense direct the actions and views of most here (not saying you're lacking). Now, come down from way up there and drink from the waters of "TRUTH". Take care.

[glockcop]

Actually that's not entirely true. What volcanos do is pump a lot of ash and sulphur dioxide out there, CO2 is only a very small factor. If the eruption is huge and the ash goes stratospheric, it actually creates a cooling trend.

The whole problem as I see it is this focus on CO2. There are many other greenhouse gases, some of them far more damaging than CO2 that barely get mentioned.
This is the order greenhouses gases appear from highest concentration to lowest:
1. water vapor
2. CO2
3. methane
4. nitrous oxide
5. ozone
6. chlorofluorocarbons
It is unfortunate that water vapor is most abundant and the best insulator...while chloroflurocarbons are the most damaging.

And while the EPA says that respired CO2 is a closed loop and isn't counted in the equations for "climate change", I find it really hard to believe that cutting down forests and paving or building on the land combined with the human population growing to 6x what it was in 1900 isn't a factor... I saw a student paper recently where they graphed the rise in CO2 on top of the rise in global population. The two graphs darn near match.

I just watched a Nova special on the melting of glacial and polar ice. Gotta go out and build my dock. Gonna be waterfront in a 100 years or so...
Might want to start thinking about a desalinization plant too...

Are you suggesting we stop breathing in order to save the planet? You should lead this crusade and show us how reverse global warming through oxygen deprivation:). Joking, just joking. The real question is not "what are we gonna do about all the CO2?". It should be "what are we gonna do about all this water vapor?":eyepoke:. Oh no....My wife's hair is gonna frizz.

[LowKey]

Got to love misinformation. How does a link between population increase and CO2 increase show that CO2 causes global warming? Or, that man made CO2 causes global warming?

It doesn't. Just like tree ring data and heat island city temperature records don't correlate either. I could probably correlate that same CO2 graph to the rise in the number of rats as they colonized NYC.

Someone or group of someones has found a money pit. They keep stirring the hysteria and inducing the masses to feel 'guilt' over their carbon footprint enough to pay a 'carbon offset tax' or install cap and trade that'll send your money to other countries, except the portion that remains in the hands of the money movers of course. Yes, we should conserve. Yes, we should find more economical ways of doing things. Yes, we should find alternative energies. Sending money to Zimbabwe to offset the Cap isn't the way to do that.

GlockCop, I'm taking volunteers for trial studies.:innocent:

I'll stop. It's an unpopular topic.

[Rick]

Jason, you have some kind of weird brain cell routing scheme that conjures up truly bizarre thoughts. I really really like them.

Shape up America! Did you John is doing his neighbors a favor right now? By jogging just six miles John is cooking their dinner and charging up their cell phones. He's taken the Home Land Oath and he's doing his part to Shape up America. How about you?

http://movnat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/hamster-wheel-448-300x281.jpg

[LostOutrider]

Not at all. It happening somewhere else is not "alright" with me. There are bigger forces at work destroying the wilds than CO2.

Guess I'm not too happy with those bigger forces, either.


I do not relish the thought of wild places being destroyed. Personally, it is a matter of preserving my "character". I'm not gonna jump on the band wagon to save the "polar bears" or whatever, when I don't believe the propaganda. You may feel comfortable doing that. I do not. I will not "live a lie" to "save a tree" when I can read between the lines.

I don't know enough of your "character" to comment on whether it needs preserving or not, chief. I mean, you can't be too bad if you're posting here. But, you're the one that's gotta stare down the guy in your mirror. You can look at data all day long and call it propaganda if you want. A rose by any other name and all that . . .


I love the wilderness just as much as the next guy but my integrity is not for sale no matter how many baby seals it "saves". I see 90% of this as trash science contrived to line the pockets of a few elite at our expense.

Look a little harder and I think you'll see that the financial benefit is for those anti-environmental interests continuing to rape and pillage the environment. Well, wait. . no you won't see a thing. Not if you've already decided what you'll see.


I will not be jumping through Al Gore's hoops to "save the rain forest" that loggers are actually destroying; not my truck's emmissions or cow farts. Some may call me closed minded but my eyes are wide open to the reality of the rich getting richer over their lies. I wonder if Al Gore is gonna take any of the billions of dollars he stands to make and buy up some vast wild areas for conservation and preservation. Don't count on it. His motivations are somewhere else.

Yeah, if you read what I said about Al . . .


Please don't attempted to box up the members of "this little online community" into a prejudged sterotyped package. I am sure that "it happening somewhere else" is not "alright" with most folks here. Intelligence and common sense direct the actions and views of most here (not saying you're lacking).

'preciate that. It isn't pre-judged, necessarily, as it is post-judged based on the overall philosophical lean of the members here. Shoot, even the warning against political talk tends to have a one-sided application. I ain't complaining about it. Far from it. I think it is healthy to expose yourself to information and viewpoints that may run contrary to your own solidly held beliefs. Check my friends list and you'll see the folks I tend to politically disagree with the most.


Now, come down from way up there and drink from the waters of "TRUTH". Take care.

I'm "glad" you put "TRUTH" in quotes.

[2dumb2kwit]

You can look at data all day long and call it propaganda if you want. A rose by any other name and all that . . .
If data is skewed to create a desired reaction, it is propaganda. More and more data says that man isn't responsible for global warming. More and more data shows that the models that forecast run-away global warming are wrong. More and more data shows that "bad data" was used by many who want to sell man-made global warming.

I'm "glad" you put "TRUTH" in quotes.

Why is it, that warmers say that we ignore the truth, when we can show that what they want us to believe is not true???

[LostOutrider]

Why is it, that warmers say that we ignore the truth, when we can show that what they want us to believe is not true???


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article516033.ece

Your turn, brother. Throw down a link. I'll see what else I can find while I wait on you.

edit: couple more to read

http://www.icr.org/article/evidence-for-global-warming/

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online_publications/warming_earth/scientific_evidence.htm

[2dumb2kwit]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article516033.ece

Your turn, brother. Throw down a link. I'll see what else I can find while I wait on you.

Your link is to an article from 2005, and most of what it says, has now been shown to be wrong.

Go back and take a look at the link I posted. I can post one side and you can post the other, but then we have to decide which is right, and which is agenda driven.

If you look at the oooold earth, I think you will see that we are nowhere near the doom and gloom, that some would have us believe. Heck, at one time, the whole earth was covered in ice.....is that what we should try to replicate? How about when there was no ice on earth? Is that how it should be?

The earth has dealt with way more than we are throwing at it.

[LostOutrider]

Your link is to an article from 2005, and most of what it says, has now been shown to be wrong. Only most? Got a study for me to read to back that up, Dr. 2d?

Go back and take a look at the link I posted. I can post one side and you can post the other, but then we have to decide which is right, and which is agenda driven.

If you look at the oooold earth, I think you will see that we are nowhere near the doom and gloom, that some would have us believe. Heck, at one time, the whole earth was covered in ice.....is that what we should try to replicate? How about when there was no ice on earth? Is that how it should be?

The earth has dealt with way more than we are throwing at it.

So, you're taking a pass on posting scientific studies to back up your claim? A'right, then. You really can't beat "wattsupwiththat.com" for your scientific needs. But you will still clean up that hypothetical campsite, won't you? I mean, even if Al Gore's personal gold-plated volcano does more atmospheric damage than that Snickers wrapper? We can at least agree on a certain scale of environmental activism, then. Litter, bad! Impact of unprecedented levels of atmospheric pollutants, not bad! False, even! That isn't pollution, that's just political propaganda smogging up the air. :scooter:

[2dumb2kwit]

So, you're taking a pass on posting scientific studies to back up your claim? A'right, then. You really can't beat "wattsupwiththat.com" for your scientific needs. But you will still clean up that hypothetical campsite, won't you? I mean, even if Al Gore's personal gold-plated volcano does more atmospheric damage than that Snickers wrapper? We can at least agree on a certain scale of environmental activism, then. Litter, bad! Impact of unprecedented levels of atmospheric pollutants, not bad! False, even! That isn't pollution, that's just political propaganda smogging up the air. :scooter:

You just don't seem to get it. We agree that "atmospheric pollutants" are bad. I just don't believe (based on scientific evidence.) that it's causing run-away global warming.

The main problem I have with the global warming crowd, is that the people that are yelling the loudest, aren't offering solutions that will stop the problem, but want to take money from some people, and give it to others, who have no right to it.

I've said before and I'll say it again....If it's real, and as bad as they say, they need to outlaw the actions that cause it.....not put a price tag on it.

[LostOutrider]

I've said before and I'll say it again....If it's real, and as bad as they say, they need to outlaw the actions that cause it.....not put a price tag on it.

Yeah. I'm with you on that.

[2dumb2kwit]

Oh...and as far as using "whatsupwiththat"....it was a place that showed a few charts, that I wanted people to see. Maybe you should look at the info, (and the sources), instead of turning your nose up, at the location of it.

You know....that whole judging a book by it's cover thing.:innocent:

It's getting late...how about we abuse each other some more tomorrow?

Night, night.:winkiss:

[DOGMAN]

Jason, you have some kind of weird brain cell routing scheme that conjures up truly bizarre thoughts. I really really like them.
http://movnat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/hamster-wheel-448-300x281.jpg

Thanks for the compliement. Honestly, I don't know how I got so weird....maybe too much time looking at dogs butts. People either get me...or get away from me though. I'm glad you sorta understand..or at least tolerate me

[Rick]

Think about how much output that guy could conjure up with a generator tacked to one side of that wheel. There's not a piece of equipment shown that a generator couldn't be hooked to. They could probably power that room with it.

[glockcop]

Guess I'm not too happy with those bigger forces, either.



I don't know enough of your "character" to comment on whether it needs preserving or not, chief. I mean, you can't be too bad if you're posting here. But, you're the one that's gotta stare down the guy in your mirror. You can look at data all day long and call it propaganda if you want. A rose by any other name and all that . . .



Look a little harder and I think you'll see that the financial benefit is for those anti-environmental interests continuing to rape and pillage the environment. Well, wait. . no you won't see a thing. Not if you've already decided what you'll see.



Yeah, if you read what I said about Al . . .



'preciate that. It isn't pre-judged, necessarily, as it is post-judged based on the overall philosophical lean of the members here. Shoot, even the warning against political talk tends to have a one-sided application. I ain't complaining about it. Far from it. I think it is healthy to expose yourself to information and viewpoints that may run contrary to your own solidly held beliefs. Check my friends list and you'll see the folks I tend to politically disagree with the most.



I'm "glad" you put "TRUTH" in quotes.

Save your breath. Your CO2 is causing global warming! You don't want to be a hypocrite do you? "A rose by any other name" is still just a flower that is not affected by the contrived trash science known as "global warming". And as far as my "charater", I don't need you to decide if it is worth preserving. It is really none of your business. I look in the mirror every day with a clear mind knowing that I have not been made a fool of. One day you may be able to do the same,"Chief". I have "exposed myself to opposing view points" enough on this subject to realize that those that follow this dribble are becomming more and more colluded by the day from their "idols" lies. Conserving energy and the quest for alternate fuel sources is a good thing but I'm not about to go radical, believe lies, and look damned foolish doing it. I am not closed minded and have no need to look further at junk, manipulated science and false, twisted data. Your presumtive tone that you are the only one who has studied up on the "global warming" debate is not endearing to your attempts at persuasion. I have done my homework on the subject and have found which side of the fence I want to be on. I put TRUTH in quotes to stress it's importants. One day when you see it you will know it. There is an old saying..."If you go looking for sh*t, you will find it". Sounds like you've found it. Remember, "Save your breath". Later.

[Justin Case]

UN weather meeting agrees to refine climate data

AP foreign, Wednesday February 24 2010

[FONT="Courier New"]

JIM GOMEZ

Associated Press Writer= GENEVA (AP) — Weather agencies from around the world have agreed to collect more precise temperature data to improve climate change science, Britain's Met Office said Tuesday.

And in Indonesia, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon urged environment ministers Wednesday to reject efforts by skeptics to derail a global deal aimed at preventing runaway global warming.

The Met Office proposed that climate scientists around the world undertake the "grand challenge" of measuring land surface temperatures as often as several times a day, and allow independent scrutiny of the data — a move that would go some way toward answering demands by skeptics for access to the raw figures used to predict climate change.

"This effort will ensure that the datasets are completely robust and that all methods are transparent," the Met Office said. The agency added that "any such analysis does not undermine the existing independent datasets that all reflect a warming trend."

Continued @
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/8960792

[finallyME]

Someone or group of someones has found a money pit. They keep stirring the hysteria and inducing the masses to feel 'guilt' over their carbon footprint enough to pay a 'carbon offset tax' or install cap and trade that'll send your money to other countries, except the portion that remains in the hands of the money movers of course. Yes, we should conserve. Yes, we should find more economical ways of doing things. Yes, we should find alternative energies. Sending money to Zimbabwe to offset the Cap isn't the way to do that.


Well, I totally agree with you here. But, let me get a little more extreme. I say we need to forget about the argument of whether or not we are causing climate change. We can't stop the climate from changing. But what we can do is prepare for a better future. If you believe that man made climate change is a hoax, then pretend for a second that there are no harmful biproducts of burning fossil fuels. Now if you believe that climate change is man-made, then you can pretend for a second that burning fossil fuels is the worst thing man can do. These view points represent the extremes, but the LONG TERM solution is the same. Regardless of what you think of fossil fuel, it is a limited resource. It will run out (unless you hold to the theory that the earth produces is naturally). Since it will run out, it would be wise to find a replacement....soon. Oh wait, we already have solutions, but we are waisting too many resources and money and time on the climate change argument.

Anyways, here is an interview on NPR that I heard the other day.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123919458

[LostOutrider]

Remember, "Save your breath". Later.

edited - no sense in fanning the flames.


This is just one of those things you 'n me aren't going to see eye to eye on, brother. I think we'll both sleep alright about it, though. I'm sure there's lots else we can agree on. You a Saints fan? What about BBQ?

Wait, never mind on the BBQ. Charcoal emissions and such. Then we'd have to end up scrapping over dry rub vs. wet.

[crashdive123]

Using terms like Faux News and Teabaggers doesn't lend itself to furthering an argument either.

[LostOutrider]

Using terms like Faux News and Teabaggers doesn't lend itself to furthering an argument either.

But Hollywood politico-nutcases is still kosher?

[crashdive123]

But Hollywood politico-nutcases is still kosher?

No, that won't help further ones position either. My response was to your comment where you said:
The downward spiral of spit-flecked argument degenerating into apoplectic sputtering is personal attack. How about "take a breath" instead of saving one?From my perspective it negates the argument (of a position) from either side of the argument.

[trax]

But Hollywood politico-nutcases is still kosher?

Well I'm sure that some Hollywood politico-nutcases are kosher and some are not, just like many other groups in the world. Those who are have to miss out on the joys of bacon

[LostOutrider]

No, that won't help further ones position either. My response was to your comment where you said: From my perspective it negates the argument (of a position) from either side of the argument.

And I decided there was a better way to wrap up such a spiraling argument, which is why I chose to edit and take a different route.

[trax]

And I decided there was a better way to wrap up such a spiraling argument, which is why I chose to edit and take a different route.

Well, I hope it didn't involve giving up bacon.:innocent:

[glockcop]

edited - no sense in fanning the flames.


This is just one of those things you 'n me aren't going to see eye to eye on, brother. I think we'll both sleep alright about it, though. I'm sure there's lots else we can agree on. You a Saints fan? What about BBQ?

Wait, never mind on the BBQ. Charcoal emissions and such. Then we'd have to end up scrapping over dry rub vs. wet.

Me too. Throwing in the towel now. Yes, big Saints fan. I like a wet rub. That sounded soooo bad. Take care, brother.

[2dumb2kwit]

Well, I'm a Eastern NC guy, so I'll have to go with whole hog, pulled pork BBQ with no sauce, or just a little vinegar based sauce.:smash:

(But to be honest....I like most kinds of BBQ!) :innocent:

[LostOutrider]

Wet, with a spicy and thick tomato-based sauce sweetened with molasses. Big heap of pulled pork with cole slaw on top.

[glockcop]

wet, With A Spicy And Thick Tomato-based Sauce Sweetened With Molasses. Big Heap Of Pulled Pork With Cole Slaw On Top.

Now That Is Something We Can't Debate. Sounds Good. When's The Roast? Take Care Yall.

[Rick]

Study: Canadian Beer Drinkers Threaten Planet

Scientists have found a new threat to the planet: Canadian beer drinkers.

The government-commissioned study says the old, inefficient "beer fridges" that one in three Canadian households use to store their Molson and Labatt's contribute significantly to global warming by guzzling gas- and coal-fired electricity.

"People need to understand the impact of their lifestyles," British environmental consultant Joanna Yarrow tells New Scientist magazine. "Clearly the environmental implications of having a frivolous luxury like a beer fridge are not hitting home. This research helps inform people - let's hope it has an effect."

The problem is that the beer fridges are mostly decades-old machines that began their second careers as beverage dispensers when Canadians upgraded to more energy-efficient models to store whatever Canadians eat besides doughnuts and poutine.

University of Alberta researcher Denise Young, who led the study, suggests that provincial authorities hold beer-fridge buy-backs or round-ups to eliminate the threat - methods that Americans use to get guns off the streets.

[2dumb2kwit]

University of Alberta researcher Denise Young, who led the study, suggests that provincial authorities hold beer-fridge buy-backs or round-ups to eliminate the threat - methods that Americans use to get guns off the streets.

They......I......


...oh, I give up.:sneaky2:

(And I don't mean my beer fridge!)

[Justin Case]

NASA Says,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjILZWW6Ko0

[2dumb2kwit]

You mean the NASA that gets it's money from the people who want man made global warming to be real?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVK8YPlxTCQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKhnUqrqVqQ&feature=related

[crashdive123]

Or the same NASA that took down fromtheir website the temperature monitoring station locations when it was discovered that many of the locations selected caused inacurately high temperatures to be recorded because of things like monitors located on asphalt lots, roof tops near the exahaust of ac units, next to incinerators?

[Justin Case]

Hmm "Global Cooling" This is interesting, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttLBqB0qDko

[2dumb2kwit]

08:30 PM 2dumb2kwit Viewing Who's Online
08:17 PM LostOutrider+ Viewing Thread
How to Handle Climate Change Deniers at Work.

Wow...13 minutes, so far. I hope he didn't pass-out and bump his head.

L.O.,......are you OK, buddy???:innocent:

[LostOutrider]

Wow...13 minutes, so far. I hope he didn't pass-out and bump his head.

L.O.,......are you OK, buddy???:innocent:

There's plenty would debate whether I'm OK or not.

Okay 'bout what?

[Rick]

I'm pretty unbiased when it comes to BBQ. I suggest you each send me your best recipes and I'll taste them to see which is actually the best. Completed BBQ only, please.

[2dumb2kwit]

There's plenty would debate whether I'm OK or not.

Okay 'bout what?

I'm just picking on you, about the opposing view stuff.:innocent:
I wanted to make sure that you didn't hyper-ventilate, or anything. LOL:innocent: (Did I spell that right?):blushing:

[LostOutrider]

I'm just picking on you, about the opposing view stuff.:innocent:
I wanted to make sure that you didn't hyper-ventilate, or anything. LOL:innocent: (Did I spell that right?):blushing:

Post links of studies. Otherwise, you're just blowing smoke. Not interested in watching talking heads regurgitate bullet points designed more for attracting attention-deficit ditto-heads than any type of meaningful illustrative discourse.

Besides, this is now about BBQ.

And in the 70's they also thought leisure suits and disco were good things. That should teach you to believe anything from that decade.

[2dumb2kwit]

Post links of studies. Otherwise, you're just blowing smoke. Not interested in watching talking heads regurgitate bullet points designed more for attracting attention-deficit ditto-heads than any type of meaningful illustrative discourse.

Are you serious.....that's all you saw there?

Besides, this is now about BBQ.

Mmmmmm...BBQ!

And in the 70's they also thought leisure suits and disco were good things. That should teach you to believe anything from that decade.

LOL..I wonder what they'll say about this decade, 30 or 40 years from now.

[Rick]

And in the 70's they also thought leisure suits and disco were good things.

So....you mean BBQ is a bad thing? I mean .... yes it is a very bad thing. Sent all of it to me for proper disposal. You might want to send your beer too since you won't have BBQ. Beer will get lonely without BBQ.

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