justify your redndancy

[wareagle69]

ok so i am combining the two threads in a way, but wanted to bring my point to the forefront here.
while many carry some great gear to help them i still think that most do not know how to properly use what they have, why and i have asked this many times why so many ways to start a fire? i know cuz i was there 3 yrs ago....fear... not owning the skills to start a fire know what its not the flame its the fire itself i have seen many who think that they can start a fire fail with a lighter own the skill folks learn fire as you learn your own hand.
no mattter where you are you wil need bushcraft /ingenuity what ever you call it could be the city or the bush learn to use whats around you

now here is an important question, undoubtedly the most important gear with you is your foot wear, why is it most do not carry two or three pairs of boots or and extrea gear bag what if those fail? so why not carry those? yet so many knives and ways to start fire baffle me.
i hope with everything in me that i can make a rondevous some day and show fireskills to those there and why i rely on only my firesteel to start a fire.
yes with my cutting tools i do have a couple, one axe, one bow saw, one fixed blade for skinning and one leatherman. in the north an axe and a sierra saw?bow saw are critical each has there function

i look forward to your replies

[Sourdough]

Redundancy.........I have decided mostly for kicks, giggles, and something to do in the winter, that every winter I'll assemble a basic cache. This winter I have confined my reading to first hand accounts of the trappers, gold seekers, explorers, dog mushing freight/mail haulers of the period 1885 to 1930 Alaska. I now realize how critical the line shack, line cabin, line wall tent, Cache was to survival. Those of us lucky enough to live "with-in" National Forests larger than some states, have tremendous opportunity. I still have much of my equipment from 34 years of guiding Big Game Hunters; and I can't sell it for anything, it is still good, so I'll cache it.......:)

[wareagle69]

ah yes now that is redundancy that i can applaud haveing a cashe, if something happpens to you or your gear on your travels or at your bugout then you can go to your reserves, but having all your ways to start a fire on you ...then what? i personally own several firesteels, spread around my different cashes

[Sourdough]

I was just reading about a guy who had (9) line cabins for his trapline, it would take him four days to build a line cabin. They were 8 to 10 miles apart. He lost some toes, and finger tips when his cabin burned to the ground, he got out with only his longjohns, socks on. It was sub-zero so he stayed by the burning cabin as long as it put out heat, then Mushed to the next line cabin. Note: In those days you cut-off your own blackened, frozen body parts.

[owl_girl]

undoubtedly the most important gear with you is your foot wear,
i look forward to your replies

depends on where you are. in hawaii people lived out in the woods bare foot.

[Batch]

I light 95% of my fires with a fire steel and a knife. We have a fire outback almost every night from around October to around mid-June. Then almost every weekend.

I try to use natural tinder as much as possible.

I keep a small fire steel and a P-51 in my wallet. I couldn't get the P-38 to throw sparks. I guess it must have something to do with alloys. But, the P-51 has multiple uses besides being a can opener.

I keep an extra fire steel in my pack, truck, quad, etc. If for some reason I lose my primary and I can make it to any of the others then I have back up. If I am un-available and someone with me needs gear, they know I have useful stuff in these places.

I carry two knives daily as a self defense backup. If I am pinned in a fight and accessing my firearm is not the best option or simply not an option. I can hopefully access a knife and cut my way out of the situation. Never gonna happen. I know... But, I don't think I will ever have to use the gun. But, it keeps me alert. Its presence a constant reminder.

I keep lighters and tinder in the same places. i don't carry tinder that I can reliably light with the steel. But, I carry some receipts that will light with a lighter. I also know questionable tinder will more readily light with a flame than a spark.

The redundancy of knives is a matter of constant testing. But, I prefer my Case XX Ridgeback Hunter for skinning gators, deer and hogs. Just because that is what I am used to using. I keep a full tang Gerber camp knife that is general beat the crap out of in camp. It would be obvious that the Ridgeback is not very baton friendly.

I also will usually keep a Case XX Stockman in my pocket. It and a camp knife or machete would be all I would carry back packing.

Any one knife would work in a pinch. But, the same could be said in your kitchen. Just a paring knife isn't the best choice for chopping and a cleaver ain't the best choice for peeling. Though I am sure you could perform both tasks with one in the middle.

I take an extra pair of boots with me. But, not when I am backpacking.

Survival straws, water purification, emergency blankets, plastic rain ponchos, signal devices all redundant for the reasons stated above. If someone can get to my vehicle or pack then they have those resources. First aid kits are sized according to the thing its carried in. So the small kit in my pack will allow you to get to the quad or truck and you'll have more available to you then.

I am constantly trying different things. So what is in each location changes from trip to trip.

[your_comforting_company]

why so many ways to start a fire? ... know what? its not the flame its the fire itself ...learn fire as you learn your own hand.
no mattter where you are you wil need bushcraft /ingenuity, what ever you call it, could be the city or the bush, learn to use whats around you



depends on where you are. in hawaii people lived out in the woods bare foot.

It does depend largely on location. There is a very short time of year here that footwear would be imperative. In fact, the last couple days, it's been warm enough here, that after work, I walk around the yard barefoot. My redundacy only covers my immediate needs. All the other redundancy is provided by nature. My quest is to learn to master my environment, as the people here did before history. I simply could not ask for a better environment.
Then there's the weight factor... why carry 20 lbs of boots around with you?

Now what you say about learning fire is very true. It requires an intimate understanding of fire to nurture a tiny ember into a fire large enough to signal the moon. The people of the Lower Chattahoochee Valley had an intimate understanding of fire and a relationship with it and through it. All year long, they only kept one fire going. It did not go out from the time it was an ember from a ceremonial fire. It united them in mystical ways. To keep the fire going all the time required constant attention. The fire tender had to understand if it needed to breathe, or enkindle.. they had to understand how to control it and utilize its properties for different purposes.
to breathe life into an ember nested in a well made tindle, and to use that small ball of fire to light an ever growing fire is an experience in and of itself. I smile for half an hour every time I do it, whether anyone watched or not. Own the SKILLS

I dunno... long-winded, but to answer the bigger question, I have very little redundancy in my bag or elsewhere. I do need to set up a cache somewhere near my intended encampment to cover immediate needs. I do not however, see the need, in my geographic location, for 3 or 4 pairs of shoes... especially with all the plants that provide cordage, shoes would be easy to make...
My question is why all the material redundancy and not redundant knowledge and skills? why not learn how to MAKE 3 or 4 different KINDS of shoes? Why not learn to make fire with 8 or 10 different items that you can find around you immediately? Why such a dependence on material goods and not your SELF?

[BENESSE]

Well, I carry a s-load of redundancy to CMA since my skills aren't as good as y'all's. If and when they get better, I'll pare down.
I also don't have the luxury of BOV or cacheing all over the place, so everything I have and might possibly need will be on my body.

In my case the right footwear is vital.

[2dumb2kwit]

In my case the right footwear is vital.

Read: It's an excuse to buy more shoes.:innocent: LOL

[Ted]

Wareagle, the last thing anyone needs in a bug out situation is to be more stressed out than they already are from the situation thats making them bug out in the first place. If what they have makes 'em comfy and more secure, I say leave them alone!

The more knowledge you have the less your gonna need,period! I hope your trying to let them know they don't need as much,as some do. But I sometimes get the feeling the only point to your threads is "I know more than you! Nanner, nanner nanner!".........BFD!

[Batch]

My question is why all the material redundancy and not redundant knowledge and skills? why not learn how to MAKE 3 or 4 different KINDS of shoes? Why not learn to make fire with 8 or 10 different items that you can find around you immediately? Why such a dependence on material goods and not your SELF?

Well. I agree that having many ways to do something is the best bet. Fire is a good example. There are many ways to get spark or heat to start a fire. I prefer to use a fire steel and so I keep them in various places. There are many different natural occurring types of tinder. Knowing where to get dry tinder even when it is raining is a skill you should have. But, packing a little tinder in a waterproof case and storing it where you may need it just seems prudent to me.

As for shoes, where I hike there is only one type of footwear. WET!!! Unless you wanna wear chest waders all day in the South Florida heat. I change my boots when I get to camp and then switch again before I go out. Though most of the year you can just wear flip flops during the day.

At night the mosquitoes will take care of what ever the fire ants don't get if you ain't wearing shoes. I got friends that don't wear shoes out in the woods. But, I am a tender foot. LOL

[BENESSE]

Read: It's an excuse to buy more shoes.:innocent: LOL

Like some of you with knives!:)

But can your knife do this?

[Ken]

.........I sometimes get the feeling the only point to your threads is "I know more than you! Nanner, nanner nanner!".........BFD!


:yes: :thumbup: :innocent:

[2dumb2kwit]

Most of my redundancy is repeating myself, when I'm talking to Ken....'cuz repetition penetrates even the dullest mind...repetition penetrates even the dullest mind....... repetition penetrates even the dullest mind.:innocent:

[Ken]

Okay, WE, a/k/a "Master of Everything EXCEPT the Wild Edibles Database," here we go again, huh?

I suppose I should say that I'm embarrassed to admit that I carry at least three (count 'em, WE, I said THREE) methods of starting fire, huh? Let's see - there are a few Bics (my first choice) and a blast match and even some waterproof matches in my pack. Then I have some cotton balls dipped in vasoline, and other assorted items including "wet-fire" and drier lint to help me out as well. Sad? Maybe. But I've never failed to get a nice fire going whenever I've needed to.

And water purification? How about FIVE (yep, that's 5) ways to do it. All in my pack. There's my Katadyn pocket filter, my Aquamira Frontier Pro, my filter straw, either my "micropur" or my "potable aqua" tablets and (guess what) I can even boil the stuff! And then again, I still know how to filter and purify water using natural media methods, including grass, sand, and charcoal. Does that count? :innocent:

And WE? If my boots crap out on me, I can probably mend them with the stuff I carry in my pack - you know, those redundant multi-use items like paracord, thread, duct tape, a small sheet of plastic, super glue - stuff that all together weigh far less than a second (or third) pair of boots.

And it's funny, WE - I just heard my furnace go on. I'm embarrassed to admit that I have a thermostat that electronically kicks on the furnace when the temperature drops below a predetermined point. I suppose that I should just rip that thermostat out and head down the basement with my firesteel whenever the house gets cold. Heck, call me lazy, WE.

By the way ......... remember my offer from months back to have you come down my way, ON MY TURF, with a small pack of your own? Remember? I'd bring my own pack (same weight) and let's see which one of us fares better. The offer still stands! Tell me when you're ready, WE! (as Alpine Sapper would say) "kay, punkin'?" :)

[hunter63]

As this seems to be about the third thread, dealing with redundancy, fire starting, justifying stuff, there has to be a point here somewhere.
It seems to me your goal is "The Perfect BOB", maybe I wrong.

As we all strive for this end, and have also had experiences, where a much need piece of gear, boots, what ever.....has been missing, destroyed, lost etc.....Bummer, man.

But as each person has their own, knowledge, needs, fears, goals the range of gear will vary, for each.

I have been carrying stuff around long before the BOB's, BOL, SHTF and all the other BS buzz words, and called it in the old Boy Scouts terms "Being Prepared"


My "stuff" is what I like to call Mission specific, different "stuff" for:

Hunting, deer, duck, hunting, hiking, scrounging/foraging sessions, or just seeing where this trail goes, canoeing, boating, 4 wheeler riding, 4X4 trailing, mud runs, long drives across country, or just a Sunday drive w/DW, (ever notice that Stuff happens when you are heading to a wedding, in a suit, have a flat tire, and just happened to have not "geared up")

Camping: trailers, back packing, canoe camping, primitive camping.

Cabin building, heavy on equipment tools, etc.

Bug in: Preps, stashed, deployed......

Bug out: Preps stashed, deployed.......

My point is that its personal for each what you carry and why.
You want a list fine, happy to oblige, to have to Justify it to you?....Not so much.
Good luck in your quest

[Rick]

Very good analogy!!

[Batch]

Yup, pretty well said Sjj!

[wareagle69]

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depends on where you are. in hawaii people lived out in the woods bare foot.
very true owl girl, cody lundin goes shoeless year round in the mountains of arizona




. Own the SKILLS...
My question is why all the material redundancy and not redundant knowledge and skills? why not learn how to MAKE 3 or 4 different KINDS of shoes? Why not learn to make fire with 8 or 10 different items that you can find around you immediately? Why such a dependence on material goods and not your SELF?
so true, own the skills, i do not own the skills very well in cordage, have dabled but would never say i could make shoes, excellent skill to own



Wareagle, the last thing anyone needs in a bug out situation is to be more stressed out than they already are from the situation thats making them bug out in the first place. If what they have makes 'em comfy and more secure, I say leave them alone!
my point for all this ted is for folks to own the skills so they are not as stressed in a bad scenario

The more knowledge you have the less your gonna need,period! I hope your trying to let them know they don't need as much,as some do. But I sometimes get the feeling the only point to your threads is "I know more than you! Nanner, nanner nanner!".........BFD!

point to my threads is to share what i know, it is a responsibility, the more i can share or teach the better some will be, the less stress upon resources if these skills are ever needed.


Okay, WE, a/k/a "Master of Everything EXCEPT the Wild Edibles Database," here we go again, huh?
dial up-enough said

By the way ......... remember my offer from months back to have you come down my way, ON MY TURF, with a small pack of your own? Remember? I'd bring my own pack (same weight) and let's see which one of us fares better. The offer still stands! Tell me when you're ready, WE! (as Alpine Sapper would say) "kay, punkin'?" :)
i've got 2 yrs before i can go back stateside at that time i will be very happy to share dirt time with anyone interested, as you may well rememberi lived in the states 23 yrs i am more than familiar with all ot of geographical areas


As this seems to be about the third thread, dealing with redundancy, fire starting, justifying stuff, there has to be a point here somewhere.
It seems to me your goal is "The Perfect BOB", maybe I wrong.
yes it is, i want you to have the perfect bob to learn every peice very intimatley to find out what works in every situation
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My point is that its personal for each what you carry and why.
You want a list fine, happy to oblige, to have to Justify it to you?....Not so much.
Good luck in your quest

just an exercise in points hunter, i know one person here that i peeved off so much he learned a skill very well just to show me, no matter the way you get there i just want folks to get there.
as i have said before on another thread i will never apologize for what i have done or said, some folks need more prodding and cajiling than others

[2dumb2kwit]

As this seems to be about the third thread, dealing with redundancy,...

Ironic....is it not????:tongue_smilie: LOL

[hunter63]

Ironic....is it not????:tongue_smilie: LOL
LOL, nice catch, wasn't intend as a pun.....Oh wait, sure it was, yeah, that's the ticket.
Carry on.

[Ken]

i've got 2 yrs before i can go back stateside at that time i will be very happy to share dirt time with anyone interested, as you may well rememberi lived in the states 23 yrs i am more than familiar with all ot of geographical areas

Hey WE?

If, by some remote chance, you're waiting for the expiration of, oh, say, a "statute of limitation" for an alleged criminal act, you should know that such statutes toll (stop running) if you are out of the jurisdiction in question.

For example: Say that some guy named "Rick" hijacks a Hostess truck filled with Twinkies in Boston, knowing that he can't be prosecuted unless charges are brought within 6 years of the event.... and then he immediately hightails it into, oh, say, Canada for seven years and then returns to Boston - guess what? That 7 years he was gone doesn't count. The 6 years begins on the day he returns to Boston and will toll again whenever he leaves Massachusetts.

And another thing: If he was ever charged with the Twinkie heist when he was in Canada or within the first 6 years he is actually in Massachusetts, and a warrant issues for his arrest, that warrant is good for as long as he lives.

[wareagle69]

thanks for your assumptions (hmmm a lawer jumping to conclusions how interesting)it has nothing to do with he americian law it has to do with an agreement i made here, and i intend to keep that promise, thanks for you valuable insight tho, it was interesting to know

[Ken]

thanks for your assumptions (hmmm a lawer jumping to conclusions how interesting)it has nothing to do with he americian law it has to do with an agreement i made here, and i intend to keep that promise, thanks for you valuable insight tho, it was interesting to know


Hence the qualifier "by some remote chance"......... :)

[wareagle69]

if these threads that i post annoy you(you-meaning anyone reading this) then as i have said before that is your responsibility not mine. my veiws are my veiws same as opinions everyone has one. i have researched these topics with gino ferri- survival in the bush inc my search and rescue group and others considered experts in the field, who have all seen "experienced" outdoorsman seriously injured or that have died from over confidence in untested gear and methods
my goals always remain the same first, to pass along information of which i have been so freely given and secondly to make you stop and think, think long and hard about yourself, your gear and your given situation. that is what i feel is my responsibility, hopefully some will learn and pass on or at least look at ways of trying to improve and survive.

[Rick]

Say that some guy named "Rick" hijacks a Hostess truck filled with Twinkies in Boston

Hey!! What happened to lawyer/client confidentiality?!

[oneraindog]

WE what about the chance of losing something? you only carry one firesteel. what if you lost it? what if there were no good bow drill materials around or everything was soaking wet? maybe unlikely scenarios but no less likely than needing a whole other pair of boots.

shouldnt it be about what makes you comfortable and confident? if carrying multiple itmes for the necessities makes you more comforatble than you are going to be at an advantage if for no other reason than for the positive mental attitude.

but this is not to take away from your point of knowing the skills. 5 ways to start fire isnt any good if you arnt proficient with them.

[hunter63]

but this is not to take away from your point of knowing the skills. 5 ways to start fire isnt any good if you arnt proficient with them.

Need some thing to burn also, besides just tinder.

Spent a canoe/bow hunting week, where it rained pretty much every day, 50's, every thing we owned got damp.

We were camping primitive, Baker lean-to, no stove, Colman's etc, just camp fire and candle lanterns.

What saved our butte was a fallen dead oak, splintered pretty good, where we could "bust off" with out too much trouble, dry wood to burn to dry out other wood, and so forth. Pretty much a full time job.

I can see where one of the Mil stoves w/ fuel would have came in real handy.

[your_comforting_company]

exactly ORD, hence the need for redundancy.. sure, I can start fire with natural materials, but if I don't get to where I'm going till dark, or I happen to be somewhere that might not have materials I'm familiar with, I can rely on my bic.

This is what WE is getting at folks. He's not asking anyone to justify anything to him. He's asking you to justify it to yourself. Do you really need it. Do you really want to carry it? Where are your skills lacking that you may need some other reliance? Where are your weaknesses, one good example is wet tinder... if you really truly understand fire, you can build a fire with wet wood. I've done it many times while camping in the wet southern summers.

I really think that is what WE was getting at, anyway. It made me reflect on my skills quite a lot today, and I thought long and hard about waterproofing.. a weakness in my kit. I'm not trying to defend WE, but I think a lot of folks missed the point. shoes was just a good example for him to use. down here in the south we calls it Cover Yer A$$.

[Rick]

I'm not trying to defend WE

WE is one of those folks that doesn't need defending (not that you were). We respect his skills and knowledge and he offers up some thought provoking questions. He's welcome in my camp any time he wants to head south.

[Ken]

He's welcome in my camp any time he wants to head south.

Hmmmmmmm. We were all hoping that you would head north. :innocent:

[Ted]

Hmmmmmmm. We were all hoping that you would head north. :innocent:

LMAO!!!! ........Please, no offense Rick,but Kens one funny mutha!

[Rick]

I've erased the S marking and the N marking from my compass. I'm afraid to go south because at some point I'll be on the menu. I won't go north because because they talk funny, eh.

[Rick]

Please, no offense Rick,but Kens one funny mutha!

Well, you're half right.

[crashdive123]

Follow that E and use guys might just pak the ca in tha yad. Ahhhhh fugetabowdit.

[Pict]

I just got back from a six day trip in the bush and carried some redundant gear.

Compass: I normally use a Recta DP-2 which is good for navigating without a map but I also had a flat, transparent Recta for using with the map for convenience sake. I find it easier to use the flat compass to orient the map and get my numbers then use the DP-2 to actually move. Since I dummy cord my DP-2 to my jacket pocket it would be a pain to use with the map. For that I would use the other compass dummy corded to my side pants pocket.

Fire: We were expecting typical rainy season weather. My go-to firemaker was a mini Bic carried in my canteen pouch pocket. I also had a firesteel and PJ cotton in my possible pouch. IIRC there’s also a pack of paper book matches in there in a tiny ziplock. More important than multiple means to light a fire is the ability to haul out some emergency tinder in case of really bad conditions. I carried a 4x6 inch section of innertube for this as well as two citronella candle stubs. We had dry weather but Brazil can really throw down in rainy season. This isn't a question of mastering the fire for me it's just a matter of avoiding all that crap I would have to do in bad conditions.

Water: I carried 2 canteens and 2 two liter platypus bags for my normal daily water supply. I also carried a redundant five liter waterbag in my kit and ended up using it to collect raw rainwater from my shelter. It came in handy as I didn’t have to mix raw rainwater with treated water. This isn’t so much redundancy as expandability. That lightweight extra bag represents a full days supply of water for one person.

Water Treatment: I carried 30 Clor-In 1 tablets with me figuring that would do me for the week. Giuliano ended up using some of them so on the last day we had to use my reserve iodine tablets. It is really hard to stay ahead of dehydration if you have to boil water in the jungle.

Blades: I carried a 16 inch machete and my neck knife. I also had a Mora 780, not really as a redundant or back-up just because I like to have a scandi along.

Shelter: I slept under a 3x4 meter black plastic tarp. I also carried a 2x3 meter (very light, machine folded) clear tarp and a supply of duct tape. This allowed me to leave camp set up one day and go off exploring with that smaller tarp along in case we needed to make an emergency shelter. I have learned that when taking an extended trip and using plastic sheeting that you should have the ability to repair or modify as conditions dictate.

I also carried my neck knife kit that has all sorts of stuff that is redundant to my other gear: Button compass, BSA HotSpark and PJ cotton, needle and thread, two birthday candles, LED light, more inner tube rubber, 2 10oz waterbags, KMNO4.
Mac

[Rick]

I have learned that when taking an extended trip and using plastic sheeting that you should have the ability to repair or modify as conditions dictate.

That's true regardless of your shelter. Even a fairly light stick dropping from a tree will punch a hole in a tent. Repairs should always be expected. Even for clothing.

[Pict]

The redundant shoe idea has alot of merit. I don't know how many normal hikes have turned into survival ordeals because of a lack of shoes but it is catastrophic in most cases.

I have had to perform emergency shoe repair many times in the bush. Never on my own beyond broken laces but often with people I've taken to the bush. It is inevitable that if you take a busload of kids on a dayhike you will have several situations develop...

An inhaler will have been left at home, this is the universal constant of kids with asthma: playing X-Box, inhaler, going on a 2 week camping trip, inhaler next to X-Box.

A sneaker will self destruct.

The whitest kid in the group will not wear sunblock and will expose enough of himself to make a good emergency signal.

Mac

[trax]

Guess it's all in how you say it. I can appreciate what WarEagle's trying to accomplish with these posts, but my take is this:

a) I don't "justify" what I do to anyone
b) I know exactly what I need to take when I'm going out into the bush and I expect most folks should take more than I do, so I'd encourage newcomers to the outdoor life to get their advice from someone other than me.

[glockcop]

There is no such thing as "Too Prepared". That all the justification I need :). Nuff said. Yall take care

[rwc1969]

This is a good thread and thanks for bringing it up WE.

I think I've found a scientific solution to ensure redundancy is not overly redundant.

My redundancy equation! :)

(Weight plus space minus need) minus (likelyhood of failing divided or multiplied by chance or luck)= redundancy, or something along those lines. LOL! Redundancy should be zero or a negative #.

I don't have a lot of caches or BOBs, but...

I do carry several lighters in the car, cuz they can fail and I need fire at all times. Sometimes if I'm going for a long walk I'll carry two lighters with me.

(Very little weight and space minus a high need= 0) minus (high likelyhood of failing times bad luck= 10)=redundancy. 0 minus 10 = -10, so redundancy is a negative # which means carry as many as I can, probably 10.

Actually there is no real # equation, it's just a matter of how much does it weigh or how much space does it take up, how bad do I need it and how likely is it I will need another.

If I go hunting or fishing and it's a must do scenario I carry tools with me to fix my gun or reel incase it falls apart or jams, etc. It rarely does but I've been stuck up ****s creek before and don't wanna be there again.

When I had my canoe I carried two paddles or two batteries for the trolling motor+ 2 paddles. Once, I got racing up a creek to evade a lightning storm, swamp on both sides of me and in my haste I lost my paddle. i was literally up ****s creek without a paddle in a metal boat and a lightning storm. Then I got a trolling motor and a paddle. Motored way down the river and started back up, motor died and I was left to paddle miles up a pretty strong current, thru several rapids,it wasn't fun.

Every tool box I have has a knife in it. My tackle boxes all have knives and a multitool. My gun box the same, my car the same. I used to take a punch, phillips and flathead when I went hunting to strip my gun if needed, now I can do it all with a pocketknife. Wittle a punch, use a rock to drive out the pins and the pocketknife can be used as a flathead or phillips in a pinch. I still like to carry a phillips for my reels. The punch, lil hammer and flathead were overly redundant.

When I go shroomin I carry multiple bags. Will I need them all? i don't know, but one of my best shroom hunts I lost my only bag before the hunt began. I won't let that happen again. All the shrooms wouldn't fit in my shirt and I lost half of em on the long walk out

My redundancy is fire and knives and whatever else I can't live without. if it is crucial to my success I use redundancy. If I take the GPS or flashlight I take extra batteries with me and a compass and I maintain my direction in my head. Overly redundant?, hell no! I should have another compass and a map, and sometimes do. The stuff takes up almost zero space.

If I were planning a long hike I'd have extra socks, boots and shoes, because I can't live without my feet. they take up a lot of space and weight, but I may need them dearly.

I keep an extra coat in the car along with other stuff. I carry way too much stuff in the car, stuff I haven't needed in years, but it don't matter cuz the extra space and weight ain't a problem. Is it overly redundant? No! because the one time in 5 years I need one of those items I need them dearly. Or else I'm walking, maybe in the cold or rain, maybe on a busy freeway in the dark at 2:15 am. Who knows? but, I do know I don't want to be walking down I-75 in the dark, in the rain and cold wearing a dark blue flannel. It's much easier having tools to fix the problem, a gas can, a flashlight, extra batts and a bright yellow raincoat.... And a knife incase Dan Akroyd picks me up hitch hiking and asks me "you wanna see something really scary?" or visa versa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPlp-WK0XBo

If I had caches they would all have knives, boots, socks, shoes, fire making stuff and whatever else I thought I may need and wouldn't want to live without.

when I made up my 2 week BOB I had all kinds of redundant stuff. After thinking things thru I was able to cut the bag down from 75 lbs. to 35 or 40. That much more room for food, water, etc. Carrying a lantern, heater, stove top, water and propane was a redundancy I didn't need. I can cook over fire and make wilderness lanterns/ torches. All I need is a knife, containers and firestarter. I can get wilderness heat, but not inside the tent, so I'm still on the fence about the heater. Where I live It's not a need, but a comfort factor.

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