Haiti Quake....Thread...."Lessons learned"

[Sourdough]

We have a great opportunity, Can we list lessons learned, keeping them short and simple, to the point, with no, personal editorial or agenda added.

Example (I don't even know if this is true, just an example)

1.) There is NO migration out of the afflicted area, NO hoards invading the rural country.

[trax]

I think lesson number one is the good old...be prepared. Based on what I've been hearing and reading, don't count on "authorities" to save your bacon.

[BENESSE]

* Be self reliant, assume that help is not coming.
* Have plan B, C, & D in place way ahead of time.
* Work on your mental health. (learn how to reduce stress on command in order to stay calm, cool and collected)
* Streamline your needs, reduce your wants.

[Pal334]

the value of a BOB, and "teaming" with kindred spirits

The possibility of storing some goods away from your primary residence

Security for the food distribution is important.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10099

[Rick]

Critical review of your shelter looking for weak points.
Critical review of your location looking for possible risks.
Bob near outside wall in case of collapse. Closets make be better protected.
Ability to produce clean water.
Communication plan!!!
Medical supplies. Lots of them.

[doug1980]

Be thankful for building codes here in the US
Never ever live in Haiti
Birth Control is a good thing
If you can't take care of yourself don't expect others to do it for you

[hunter63]

Include shelter in BOB, Tents, tarps
Source of heat
Blankets, sleeping bags
Deploy assets in more than one place.

You don't have to live in Haiti to be in danger.
The New Madrid fault is in the center of our country, could potentially be even bigger threat.

http://www.showme.net/~fkeller/quake/sitemap.htm

San Andreas fault is well know:
http://geology.com/articles/san-andreas-fault.shtml

UU map:
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/

[crashdive123]

Those that are thugs and prey on society, will increase their efforts during a disaster.

[Rick]

Birth Control is a good thing

Funny you should mention that. I also heard on the news today that most of the orphans prior to the quake had been given up by their parents because they could no longer care for them. What the???.......

[2dumb2kwit]

Don't ever forget the need for self defense. Your preps are useless to you, if some thug takes them away from you.

[Sourdough]

Don't ever forget the need for self defense. Your preps are useless to you, if some thug takes them away from you.

This was the most profound lesson for me, I guess I have been in denial about how ferocious humans can be.

[LowKey]

Move out of the kill zone.
Don't wait for authorities.
Don't wait until you are too hungry or thirsty.

I've often wondered what would happen here in the event of a catastrophe.
There are too many people for the land to support.
And too many nasties who want what you got.

Would most US citizens sit and wait? And die? Looking at New Orleans and now Haiti, I wonder...

[Rick]

Perhaps it hasn't been report but I haven't seen any instances in which compounds have been raided. Lots of stupid stuff in the streets. But those folks that have put stuff back for an emergency (mostly foreigners it seems) have not been attacked and had supplies stolen. I've seen two or three orphanages that had supplies put back. Again, perhaps that has been reported.

@ Lowkey - I think any disaster in the U.S. would be geographically confined. So help would be arriving at some point in the future. Anything large enough to encompass the U.S. would probably be a world ender.

[Sourdough]

I think any disaster in the U.S. would be geographically confined. So help would be arriving at some point in the future. Anything large enough to encompass the U.S. would probably be a world ender.


Odds are YES, but maybe not world ender, for sure world changer. Sabotage to the North American Power Grid by hackers would be one big mess, and the more so if it lasted 30 days.

[Rick]

That's a very good point. Probably the most inconvenient, one of the more vulnerable and one I hadn't thought of. Coordinated efforts across the country would not be a good thing at all.

I suppose the up side is the repairs could be handled pretty quickly. There are lots of materials sitting in yards all across the country. But the havoc, especially to metropolitan areas, would be immense.

[trax]

Having read some of the posts following mine,I'm thinking that perhaps I don't elucidate (there ya go Rick, your word for the day) well enough. All of the things I've seen listed here are very relevant and well thought out, but to me that's all part of prep. I have some stockpiles, I am capable of defending hearth and home as well as I can be. We talk about this a lot and my opinion, for whatever it may be worth, is that the looters and criminals will always go after the weaker target. All part of being the cowards they are, resistance doesn't sit well with them. My last thought on this really is that I will never count on "authorities" to bail me out of anything.

[Pal334]

TRAX makes a good point.
"looters and criminals will always go after the weaker target. All part of being the cowards they are, resistance doesn't sit well with them. My last thought on this really is that I will never count on "authorities" to bail me out of anything."
Make yourself a "hard target" if you have to stay in place for whatever reason. The first "bloody nose" the bad giys get, they will typically back off. I would not advocate going out looking for trouble, but make sure any response you make is quick and decisive

[trax]

Well put PAL, and given the recent news about our friends in the SEALS, there's a good reason why bloody nose was in quote marks wasn't there? We'd be talking about a bit more than a bloody nose if it was me in a situation like those poor Haitians are going through.

[Pal334]

Well put PAL, and given the recent news about our friends in the SEALS, there's a good reason why bloody nose was in quote marks wasn't there? We'd be talking about a bit more than a bloody nose if it was me in a situation like those poor Haitians are going through.

Yuppers, I am generaly a peaceful fellow until you threaten my family, or those I am charged with protecting. I may be off mark here a bit, but in this type of situation, I would consider any grouping of men or teenage males without women or children as a threat until proven otherwise.

[trax]

I don't think you're off mark on this one PAL, and I'm a fella who generally believes in being both peaceable and generous to my fellow man, but if I perceive a threat, some of those old cliches have become cliches because they're true:

"better to err on the side of caution"

"I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6"

[BENESSE]

"I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6"

If it were only that simple!

[trax]

BENESSE, please read the pm I sent.

[BENESSE]

BENESSE, please read the pm I sent.

It's not showing for whatever reason.

[trax]

weird, something wrong with whatever I did, not in my sent items either. I'll rewrite it and send

[Rick]

Three more pulled from the rubble today....alive. One was 84 years young.

[Rick]

After 11 days...another survivor pulled from the rubble.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8477288.stm

[crashdive123]

I saw that. That is why this story is so disturbing. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/haiti/haiti-ends-search-and-rescue-efforts/article1441807/

[Sourdough]

After 11 days...another survivor pulled from the rubble.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8477288.stm



I think it is time for the International Red Cross, The UN, NATO, WHO, and everyone else dispensing food, water, exposure, survival, information.....to look at rewriting the survival belief systems Bull'spit manual.

[crashdive123]

Maybe not. While another was pulled out alive, how many died five or six days ago because nobody had reached them yet? While it is great news, I don't think the presumptions about "average" survival times should be adjusted.

[BENESSE]

It's amazing how resilient and unpredictable humans can be!
Having hope that maybe, just maybe you can make it (because some have)
is sometimes all you have to go on. And sometimes it's all it takes.

[2dumb2kwit]

I don't think most people realize how powerful, and amazing the human mind is.

I've seen a strong will and determination do unbelievable things.

[Trabitha]

Be thankful for building codes here in the US
Never ever live in Haiti
Birth Control is a good thing
If you can't take care of yourself don't expect others to do it for you

Wow...you and my husband have identical views! LOL!!

I think the lesson I learned from Haiti is the same one we all should have learned from New Orleans. Don't rely on someone else to keep you safe or pick up the pieces. It never pans out that way.

[Byte Me]

I would try to leave the main area and head for the countryside. Bringing whaterver supplies we could.

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