who's most likely to survive

wareagle69 · 08-10-2007, 01:06 AM

i was driving home this afternoon, stopped at the light and there was a panhandler, sign said travelling on the road and hungry. got me to thinking ,when i was young in my 20's in the military and out i was hard core heck when i got out of the army i tried making my living as a pro bullrider living in a slide in camper and not eating much, i loved the lifesyle i just wasn't very good at riding bulls but i had my freedom, then i got into the trades about 11 yrs ago, more stability and stuff, met a girl got married more stuff, now i am really spoiled, sure i can rough it in the woods for a couple of days, but then ia am cback to my soft lifestyle, back to the beggar i bet if tshtf he would barely notice and keep on living as normal (to him) but i have grown acustomed to my life makes me wonder as well trained as i supposedly am who would fare better me or him.

FVR · 08-10-2007, 01:13 AM

I believe you.

Tony uk · 08-10-2007, 04:17 PM

I second what FVR said

trax · 08-10-2007, 05:50 PM

Yeah, it's not a "trauma" or emergency situation to someone who's living that way all the time is it? Similarly, I was talking to my boss one day about how "back in the day" my entire life fit in one packsack and I could hit the road whenever I felt like it and stick out my thumb in whatever direction looked interesting. And I often did. Sometimes I miss those days.

wareagle69 · 08-10-2007, 09:52 PM

i thought allot about this today at work.i am not the deep thinker that some of us are here but this idea captivated me. basically i came up with the idea that even though this guy is living very frugally he is relying on the help of ppl whether it be from panhandleing or food kicthens or what ever so even though he is used to living w/o in a shtf scenario where would that help be.

myself on the other hand although i am living a "priveledged" lifestlye and feel soft and spoiled compared to my younger days could still rely on myself in tough times and survive although the initial adjustment to not having my favorite creamer for my coffee would suck i know that i would snap to soon enough and probably in a sick way enjoy myself as everyone in this forum reading this and nodding heads in agreement would also.

FVR · 08-11-2007, 12:20 AM

You hit the nail on the head, they depend on others.

I work down on Tara blvd and Mount Zion blvd where there are many urban outdoorsman and woman. Many times when it's raining in the winter I will hand out a few 55 gal. trashbags and a roll of duct tape.

I've only had one thing ever stolen and tht was a roll of duct tape. They ask for my used rope when I'm done with it.

I never give money, I will however give out a few breakfast bars, if my gator 3.5 jug is full, they can get drinks supplying their own cups. When I quit smoking cigars, (a few times) they are more than happy to get my extras. Extra sandwich's that I do not eat also get handed out.

They will sift through the trash and look for old lottery tickets. One guy told me that many throw the tickets away when they notice that they did not win the big money. But, alot of tickets have small winnings, one guy picket up two tickets for a total of 75 bucks oneday.

My co. buys me new steel toes each year, so I will give away the old ones to those that need them.

They depend ALOT on the sympathetic public.

wareagle69 · 08-11-2007, 12:35 AM

i was cursing ya today fvr.
your quote at the bottom can't cheat the mountain pilgrim. one of my all time fav movies. i can picture the old trapper now scool ol rob(jerimiah) so any ways i'm driving in my van thinking abour something and all of a sudden i says to my self " thats a good idea pilgrim" and just started cracking up thinking damn that fvr now it's stuck in my head

FVR · 08-11-2007, 01:08 AM

l am Bear Claw Chris Lapp.

Blood kin to the grizzly
that bit Jim Bridger's arss!

You are molesting my hunt!

l know who you are!

You're the same dumb pilgrim
l've been hearing for days...

...and smelling for !

How come you ain't been scalped?

wareagle69 · 08-11-2007, 01:28 AM

you sure you can skin a griz pilgrim?

FVR · 08-11-2007, 01:39 AM

l'm half horse, half gator,
and a touch of the earthquake.

l got the prettiest gal,
fastest horse...

...ugliest dog this side of hell.

l can out-jump, out-run, throw down...

...drag out and whip
any man in all Kentucky.

spiritman · 08-11-2007, 01:40 AM

What the heck is this movie your quoting? i want to see it!

wareagle69 · 08-11-2007, 01:46 AM

jerimiah johnson with robrt redford one of the best movies ppl like us will evr see

FVR · 08-11-2007, 01:58 AM

Filmed in spiritman's home state, Utah.

Great hunter.

Fine figure of a man, yes?

That is all you need to know.
For now.

spiritman · 08-11-2007, 03:17 AM

Filmed here and I never knew about it... Scandalous!

wareagle69 · 08-11-2007, 01:36 PM

whats on the spit?

grown particular about your food

no only the company

you cook mighty good rabbit pilgram

HOP · 08-12-2007, 11:35 AM

There is a rail trail right across the street here in the small town I live in and I ocasionally see hikers and engage them in conversation , Many of them use the trail to go from one city to the next and will ask to stay with people and go to churches for food vouchers . They seem to be kinda modern day Hobos and aren't testing there survival skills but just surviving, they aren't really about freedom and experencing the outdoors but just getting by. I think homeless shelters should teach woodscraft.

FVR · 08-12-2007, 01:20 PM

l hunt griz.

Grizzly bears, pilgrim.
l collect the claws.

l had one in that thicket back there.

Ready to shake hands
until you came along!

trax · 08-13-2007, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOP

There is a rail trail right across the street here in the small town I live in and I ocasionally see hikers and engage them in conversation , Many of them use the trail to go from one city to the next and will ask to stay with people and go to churches for food vouchers . They seem to be kinda modern day Hobos and aren't testing there survival skills but just surviving, they aren't really about freedom and experencing the outdoors but just getting by. I think homeless shelters should teach woodscraft.

Teaching them is one thing, my friend, but what about those who have chosen the way you're describing, how many will actually use them?

HOP · 08-25-2007, 11:59 AM

The experenced homeless person could probably teach everyone on this forum a few things not just surviving but thriving.

wareagle69 · 08-25-2007, 12:47 PM

I don't agree with that hop the experienced homless person could teach me the ropes of innercity reliance on food banks and shelters, but put them in a survival situation i don't think they would survive is the help they relied upon was taken away..

08-10-2007, 01:06 AM	#1
wareagle69 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: northern ontario Posts: 3,951	who's most likely to survive i was driving home this afternoon, stopped at the light and there was a panhandler, sign said travelling on the road and hungry. got me to thinking ,when i was young in my 20's in the military and out i was hard core heck when i got out of the army i tried making my living as a pro bullrider living in a slide in camper and not eating much, i loved the lifesyle i just wasn't very good at riding bulls but i had my freedom, then i got into the trades about 11 yrs ago, more stability and stuff, met a girl got married more stuff, now i am really spoiled, sure i can rough it in the woods for a couple of days, but then ia am cback to my soft lifestyle, back to the beggar i bet if tshtf he would barely notice and keep on living as normal (to him) but i have grown acustomed to my life makes me wonder as well trained as i supposedly am who would fare better me or him.

08-10-2007, 01:13 AM	#2
FVR Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Georgia Mountains Posts: 2,087 Blog Entries: 10	I believe you. __________________ Can't cheat the mountain, pilgrim. Mountain got it....

08-10-2007, 04:17 PM	#3
Tony uk Chinese Spanner Operator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,550 Blog Entries: 1	I second what FVR said __________________ A wise person does at once, what a fool does at last. Both do the same thing; only at different times.

08-10-2007, 05:50 PM	#4
trax missing in action Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: yonder Posts: 6,778	good point Yeah, it's not a "trauma" or emergency situation to someone who's living that way all the time is it? Similarly, I was talking to my boss one day about how "back in the day" my entire life fit in one packsack and I could hit the road whenever I felt like it and stick out my thumb in whatever direction looked interesting. And I often did. Sometimes I miss those days. __________________ some fella confronted me the other day and asked "What's your problem?" So I told him, "I don't have a problem I am a problem"

08-11-2007, 12:20 AM	#6
FVR Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Georgia Mountains Posts: 2,087 Blog Entries: 10	You hit the nail on the head, they depend on others. I work down on Tara blvd and Mount Zion blvd where there are many urban outdoorsman and woman. Many times when it's raining in the winter I will hand out a few 55 gal. trashbags and a roll of duct tape. I've only had one thing ever stolen and tht was a roll of duct tape. They ask for my used rope when I'm done with it. I never give money, I will however give out a few breakfast bars, if my gator 3.5 jug is full, they can get drinks supplying their own cups. When I quit smoking cigars, (a few times) they are more than happy to get my extras. Extra sandwich's that I do not eat also get handed out. They will sift through the trash and look for old lottery tickets. One guy told me that many throw the tickets away when they notice that they did not win the big money. But, alot of tickets have small winnings, one guy picket up two tickets for a total of 75 bucks oneday. My co. buys me new steel toes each year, so I will give away the old ones to those that need them. They depend ALOT on the sympathetic public. __________________ Can't cheat the mountain, pilgrim. Mountain got it....

08-10-2007, 09:52 PM	#5
wareagle69 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: northern ontario Posts: 3,951	i thought allot about this today at work.i am not the deep thinker that some of us are here but this idea captivated me. basically i came up with the idea that even though this guy is living very frugally he is relying on the help of ppl whether it be from panhandleing or food kicthens or what ever so even though he is used to living w/o in a shtf scenario where would that help be. myself on the other hand although i am living a "priveledged" lifestlye and feel soft and spoiled compared to my younger days could still rely on myself in tough times and survive although the initial adjustment to not having my favorite creamer for my coffee would suck i know that i would snap to soon enough and probably in a sick way enjoy myself as everyone in this forum reading this and nodding heads in agreement would also.

08-11-2007, 12:35 AM	#7
wareagle69 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: northern ontario Posts: 3,951	i was cursing ya today fvr. your quote at the bottom can't cheat the mountain pilgrim. one of my all time fav movies. i can picture the old trapper now scool ol rob(jerimiah) so any ways i'm driving in my van thinking abour something and all of a sudden i says to my self " thats a good idea pilgrim" and just started cracking up thinking damn that fvr now it's stuck in my head

08-11-2007, 01:08 AM	#8
FVR Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Georgia Mountains Posts: 2,087 Blog Entries: 10	l am Bear Claw Chris Lapp. Blood kin to the grizzly that bit Jim Bridger's arss! You are molesting my hunt! l know who you are! You're the same dumb pilgrim l've been hearing for days... ...and smelling for ! How come you ain't been scalped? __________________ Can't cheat the mountain, pilgrim. Mountain got it....

08-11-2007, 01:28 AM	#9
wareagle69 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: northern ontario Posts: 3,951	you sure you can skin a griz pilgrim?

08-11-2007, 01:39 AM	#10
FVR Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Georgia Mountains Posts: 2,087 Blog Entries: 10	l'm half horse, half gator, and a touch of the earthquake. l got the prettiest gal, fastest horse... ...ugliest dog this side of hell. l can out-jump, out-run, throw down... ...drag out and whip any man in all Kentucky. __________________ Can't cheat the mountain, pilgrim. Mountain got it....

08-11-2007, 01:40 AM	#11
spiritman A Laughing Wolf Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sandy Utah Posts: 331	What the heck is this movie your quoting? i want to see it!

08-11-2007, 01:46 AM	#12
wareagle69 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: northern ontario Posts: 3,951	jerimiah johnson with robrt redford one of the best movies ppl like us will evr see

08-11-2007, 01:58 AM	#13
FVR Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Georgia Mountains Posts: 2,087 Blog Entries: 10	Filmed in spiritman's home state, Utah. Great hunter. Fine figure of a man, yes? That is all you need to know. For now. __________________ Can't cheat the mountain, pilgrim. Mountain got it....

08-11-2007, 03:17 AM	#14
spiritman A Laughing Wolf Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sandy Utah Posts: 331	Filmed here and I never knew about it... Scandalous!

08-11-2007, 01:36 PM	#15
wareagle69 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: northern ontario Posts: 3,951	whats on the spit? grown particular about your food no only the company you cook mighty good rabbit pilgram

08-12-2007, 11:35 AM	#16
HOP Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Salem WV Posts: 412	There is a rail trail right across the street here in the small town I live in and I ocasionally see hikers and engage them in conversation , Many of them use the trail to go from one city to the next and will ask to stay with people and go to churches for food vouchers . They seem to be kinda modern day Hobos and aren't testing there survival skills but just surviving, they aren't really about freedom and experencing the outdoors but just getting by. I think homeless shelters should teach woodscraft. __________________ KNOWLEDGE the ulitmate survival tool I AM HURT BUT NOT SLAIN, I WILL LIE DOWN AND BLEED A WHILE THEN I WILL RISE UP AND FIGHT AGAIN.

08-12-2007, 01:20 PM	#17
FVR Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Georgia Mountains Posts: 2,087 Blog Entries: 10	l hunt griz. Grizzly bears, pilgrim. l collect the claws. l had one in that thicket back there. Ready to shake hands until you came along! __________________ Can't cheat the mountain, pilgrim. Mountain got it....

08-25-2007, 11:59 AM	#19
HOP Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Salem WV Posts: 412	The experenced homeless person could probably teach everyone on this forum a few things not just surviving but thriving. __________________ KNOWLEDGE the ulitmate survival tool I AM HURT BUT NOT SLAIN, I WILL LIE DOWN AND BLEED A WHILE THEN I WILL RISE UP AND FIGHT AGAIN.

08-25-2007, 12:47 PM	#20
wareagle69 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: northern ontario Posts: 3,951	I don't agree with that hop the experienced homless person could teach me the ropes of innercity reliance on food banks and shelters, but put them in a survival situation i don't think they would survive is the help they relied upon was taken away..