Drinking Pee?????????

Sarge47 · 07-31-2007, 01:43 AM

Soooo, drinking urine is okay cuz Bear G. says so? Here's what John "Lofty" Wiseman writes in his book "The SAS survival Handbook". (Some of you may remember that the great Grylls claims he was in the SAS. Mr Wiseman spent 26 years in their service) pg.42, down at the bottom: "WARNING: URINE & SEA WATER never drink either-Never!"

Now from Reid Kincaid's book: "The Extreme Survival Almanac".By the way, Mr. Kincaid is a physician assistant(PA-C) with many degrees. pg. 54 in the chapter "Finding Water". "WHAT NOT TO DRINK: DO NOT drink sea water, compass fluid, anti-freeze,or urine. The salt and toxins in all of these far outweigh their water content."

What does that say to you guys?

ATough · 07-31-2007, 01:46 AM

if you drink it 2 you will die.

zadig39 · 07-31-2007, 02:46 AM

I have lived in the south and worked either outdoors or in un-airconditioned buildings my whole life. When its 100+ degrees and 85% humidity you get dehydrated pretty quick. No matter how much water you drink you don't pee very often, and when you do there is very little volume and very concentrated waste. By the time you get desparate enough to drink pee, it prolly won't be an option.

Sarge47 · 07-31-2007, 03:38 AM

This is taken directly from the US Army Survival Manual FM 21-76, the same manual this web-site is based on. Pg5-6 (Chapter 5 pg. 6, top of the page.) It shows a small chart that lists 4 questionable sources of water. Urine is #2 with the caveat "Contains harmful body wastes. Is about 2%salt." Then directly under this illustration #5-2 it reads: "CAUTION: Do not substitute the fluids listed in figure 5-2 for water."

At this point you should probably be asking yourself which group/person you're going to believe, one guy on a highly-questionable survival show or his superior in the SAS, an assistant Physician, & the US Army. Hmmmm, let me see now....

trax · 07-31-2007, 03:34 PM

I keep coming back to this! How can you possibly question this Bear Grylls dude? HE STAYED IN A HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS LAST NIGHT!!!

Go Wolfpack!

Sarge47 · 07-31-2007, 05:01 PM

Maybe one of these Inn's will hire Bear as their spokesperson.

By the way, if any of you guys don't have the US Army Survival Manual can just go to this site's home-page and click on #6 on the list of chapters at the left hand side. scroll down to figure 6-2 and be sure to read the caveat right above it>

trax · 07-31-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarge47

Maybe one of these Inn's will hire Bear as their spokesperson.

I thought they had, isn't that the business he's in??

wareagle69 · 07-31-2007, 09:22 PM

the problem with urine is that it will dehydrate you even more.
you could try to distille it. let me get back to you on this..

nell67 · 07-31-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wareagle69

the problem with urine is that it will dehydrate you even more.
you could try to distille it. let me get back to you on this..

Yea didnt they do that in a movie once?? I think it was kevin costners waterworld.

trax · 07-31-2007, 10:02 PM

I actually heard, when I was a child, that the guys who were rescued from that big coal mine collapse in Nova Scotia (I think it was in the late '50's, Springhill) survived by drinking each other's urine. I'm shrugging here, maybe it's just a myth, maybe they were making matters worse for themselves.

I know the longer you go without water, the more concentrated your waste will become because I've done fasts without food and water and man, you still pee, but.....yeck!

Sarge47 · 07-31-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wareagle69

the problem with urine is that it will dehydrate you even more.
you could try to distille it. let me get back to you on this..

Yes, my books also say that you can "distill" both urine and sea water by making a solar still. One of the "I Shouldn't Be Alive: The Science of Survival" demonstrated how to make a good solar still.

Strider · 07-31-2007, 10:51 PM

Ok, urine isn't poisonous, first off. You probably shouldn't drink it unless you really need to because it's composed of all the liquid waste products of the body. The way to drink it is to boil it for a few minutes, then let it cool.

wareagle69 · 08-01-2007, 12:02 AM

yeah sarge heard about that with both because of the salt content, just going thru my library to confirm before i shoot me mouth off, maybe i wiil have to be more like ghandi and try it first

Sarge47 · 08-01-2007, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Strider

Ok, urine isn't poisonous, first off. You probably shouldn't drink it unless you really need to because it's composed of all the liquid waste products of the body. The way to drink it is to boil it for a few minutes, then let it cool.

POINT!! Most expets warn never to drink it unless it's been distilled first...repeat...NEVER!!!!

Fog_Harbor · 08-01-2007, 01:11 AM

The salt content in urine is low, but still not good, and urea is poisonous in large amounts. You can drink the stuff, but why would you want to drink what your body has already rejected?

The only way I'd do it would be to distill it, and then only by boiling it and distilling the steam.

donny h · 08-01-2007, 03:58 AM

To me, drinking raw urine or seawater is to be reserved until faced with imminent death from dehydration, even then, it's a judgement call...

trax · 08-01-2007, 03:31 PM

But, the situation that I mentioned...in the mine collapse, there's no way those guys could boil or distill the urine. That was a coalmine, but in any mine collapse or trapped situation, you extinguish every kind of flame to preserve oxygen, even the cap lamps.

HOP · 08-05-2007, 09:09 PM

How many experts say drink urine besides Bear and when he does it you can see that the vegitations seems to say hey there is a creek right here but no
bear keeps hiting it like a wino on a bottle of muscetel

carcajou garou · 08-05-2007, 11:26 PM

Very simple NO

criticalmass · 08-06-2007, 01:02 AM

Sorry to be so contradictory to so many veteran members on my fist post, it is not my intent to troll. One of the most amazing survival stories I have ever heard included drinking urine. That was Aaron Ralston.

07-31-2007, 01:43 AM	#1
Sarge47 Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Western Illinois Posts: 5,671 Blog Entries: 19	Drinking Pee????????? Soooo, drinking urine is okay cuz Bear G. says so? Here's what John "Lofty" Wiseman writes in his book "The SAS survival Handbook". (Some of you may remember that the great Grylls claims he was in the SAS. Mr Wiseman spent 26 years in their service) pg.42, down at the bottom: "WARNING: URINE & SEA WATER never drink either-Never!" Now from Reid Kincaid's book: "The Extreme Survival Almanac".By the way, Mr. Kincaid is a physician assistant(PA-C) with many degrees. pg. 54 in the chapter "Finding Water". "WHAT NOT TO DRINK: DO NOT drink sea water, compass fluid, anti-freeze,or urine. The salt and toxins in all of these far outweigh their water content." What does that say to you guys? __________________ SARGE "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." Albert Einstein Proud father of a US Marine....SEMPER FI! They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

07-31-2007, 03:38 AM	#4
Sarge47 Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Western Illinois Posts: 5,671 Blog Entries: 19	What the Army says. This is taken directly from the US Army Survival Manual FM 21-76, the same manual this web-site is based on. Pg5-6 (Chapter 5 pg. 6, top of the page.) It shows a small chart that lists 4 questionable sources of water. Urine is #2 with the caveat "Contains harmful body wastes. Is about 2%salt." Then directly under this illustration #5-2 it reads: "CAUTION: Do not substitute the fluids listed in figure 5-2 for water." At this point you should probably be asking yourself which group/person you're going to believe, one guy on a highly-questionable survival show or his superior in the SAS, an assistant Physician, & the US Army. Hmmmm, let me see now.... __________________ SARGE "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." Albert Einstein Proud father of a US Marine....SEMPER FI! They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

07-31-2007, 10:02 PM	#10
trax missing in action Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: yonder Posts: 6,778	I actually heard, when I was a child, that the guys who were rescued from that big coal mine collapse in Nova Scotia (I think it was in the late '50's, Springhill) survived by drinking each other's urine. I'm shrugging here, maybe it's just a myth, maybe they were making matters worse for themselves. I know the longer you go without water, the more concentrated your waste will become because I've done fasts without food and water and man, you still pee, but.....yeck! __________________ some fella confronted me the other day and asked "What's your problem?" So I told him, "I don't have a problem I am a problem"

07-31-2007, 10:51 PM	#12
Strider Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: South Carolina Posts: 138	Ok, urine isn't poisonous, first off. You probably shouldn't drink it unless you really need to because it's composed of all the liquid waste products of the body. The way to drink it is to boil it for a few minutes, then let it cool. __________________ Strider I take paths untrodden...

08-01-2007, 01:11 AM	#15
Fog_Harbor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA (Or San Freak-Skid Row, if you prefer) Posts: 226	The salt content in urine is low, but still not good, and urea is poisonous in large amounts. You can drink the stuff, but why would you want to drink what your body has already rejected? The only way I'd do it would be to distill it, and then only by boiling it and distilling the steam. __________________ Let freedom ring Let the white dove sing Let the whole world know that today is the day of reckoning Let the weak be strong Let the right be wrong Roll the stone away It's Independence Day -Martina McBride

07-31-2007, 01:46 AM	#2
ATough Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 203 Blog Entries: 1	if you drink it 2 you will die. __________________ Jesus is my king.

07-31-2007, 02:46 AM	#3
zadig39 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Baytown,tx Posts: 29	I have lived in the south and worked either outdoors or in un-airconditioned buildings my whole life. When its 100+ degrees and 85% humidity you get dehydrated pretty quick. No matter how much water you drink you don't pee very often, and when you do there is very little volume and very concentrated waste. By the time you get desparate enough to drink pee, it prolly won't be an option.

07-31-2007, 03:34 PM	#5
trax missing in action Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: yonder Posts: 6,778	But Sarge I keep coming back to this! How can you possibly question this Bear Grylls dude? HE STAYED IN A HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS LAST NIGHT!!! Go Wolfpack! __________________ some fella confronted me the other day and asked "What's your problem?" So I told him, "I don't have a problem I am a problem"

07-31-2007, 05:01 PM	#6
Sarge47 Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Western Illinois Posts: 5,671 Blog Entries: 19	Bear trap! Maybe one of these Inn's will hire Bear as their spokesperson. By the way, if any of you guys don't have the US Army Survival Manual can just go to this site's home-page and click on #6 on the list of chapters at the left hand side. scroll down to figure 6-2 and be sure to read the caveat right above it> __________________ SARGE "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." Albert Einstein Proud father of a US Marine....SEMPER FI! They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

07-31-2007, 09:22 PM	#8
wareagle69 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: northern ontario Posts: 3,951	the problem with urine is that it will dehydrate you even more. you could try to distille it. let me get back to you on this..

08-01-2007, 12:02 AM	#13
wareagle69 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: northern ontario Posts: 3,951	yeah sarge heard about that with both because of the salt content, just going thru my library to confirm before i shoot me mouth off, maybe i wiil have to be more like ghandi and try it first

08-01-2007, 03:58 AM	#16
donny h Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 107	To me, drinking raw urine or seawater is to be reserved until faced with imminent death from dehydration, even then, it's a judgement call...

08-01-2007, 03:31 PM	#17
trax missing in action Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: yonder Posts: 6,778	I agree with donny h But, the situation that I mentioned...in the mine collapse, there's no way those guys could boil or distill the urine. That was a coalmine, but in any mine collapse or trapped situation, you extinguish every kind of flame to preserve oxygen, even the cap lamps. __________________ some fella confronted me the other day and asked "What's your problem?" So I told him, "I don't have a problem I am a problem"

08-05-2007, 09:09 PM	#18
HOP Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Salem WV Posts: 412	How many experts say drink urine besides Bear and when he does it you can see that the vegitations seems to say hey there is a creek right here but no bear keeps hiting it like a wino on a bottle of muscetel __________________ KNOWLEDGE the ulitmate survival tool I AM HURT BUT NOT SLAIN, I WILL LIE DOWN AND BLEED A WHILE THEN I WILL RISE UP AND FIGHT AGAIN.

08-05-2007, 11:26 PM	#19
carcajou garou Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kanata Posts: 207	Very simple NO __________________ To thyne self be true

08-06-2007, 01:02 AM	#20
criticalmass Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 21	Sorry to be so contradictory to so many veteran members on my fist post, it is not my intent to troll. One of the most amazing survival stories I have ever heard included drinking urine. That was Aaron Ralston.