Can't decide

[Kemperor]

M1 Garand or Bushmaster Carbon 15 9mm Carbine?

[Rick]

For what purpose?

[Kemperor]

Home defense and target shooting/practice.

[Assassin Pilot]

knowing for what is always a good thing

[Kemperor]

Or if TSHTF anarchy style. Unlikely, but still good to be prepared. I'm not worried about fully automatic capability, that's usually a waste of ammo.

[Assassin Pilot]

Semi auto is always good though. Or a burst option, that makes sure the target is dead.

[Kemperor]

Good marksmanship ensures a dead target.

[crashdive123]

The Bushmaster is 5.7 lbs, the M-1 about 9.5. M-1 is alot longer, but can "reach out" better than the 9mm. Ammo is alot heavier for the M-1. I'm not a huge fan of 9mm rifles, but they do have their purpose.

[Kemperor]

How do they compare in accuracy? I can most likely manage the weight if the M1 is more accurate. By "reach out," I assume you mean that it is more accurate a longer distances.

[crashdive123]

Don't know about the bushmaster. M-1 is effective to about 500 yards, but I've heard stories of alot further accuracy.

[Kemperor]

Hmm. I'll do a little research and look at some reviews on the Bushmaster. I've also discovered that I have to have a FFL to buy the Bushmaster, so I'll probably go with the M1. Or get a FFL. Not too hard to do in Indiana.

[Rick]

Neither one would mark a good home defense weapon, IMHO. They are not designed for close quarter combat.

800+ yards on the Garand with armor piercing.

[crashdive123]

I agree with Rick on that. 12 gauge, hand gun are great for home defense. Type of ammo is important too. You don't want to hit unitended targets through the walls. And ... kind of goes without saying ... training and practice.

[crashdive123]

You may also want to consider the Phase Plasma Rifle in the 40 Watt Range (he says with an Austrian accent)

[Kemperor]

What would you use Rick? Hand gun? I've been looking at obtaining one of these in the next year or two.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...07&isFirearm=Y
or this
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...06&isFirearm=Y

I'm still looking for a rifle, as they're not always right up on you when you notice them, or sometimes you may even already know that they're coming. Plus, I wouldn't mind bringing a rifle to the ol' fallback area.

[Kemperor]

Oh, everything I have, I will train and practice with until mastery. I learned that lesson after my machete incident.

[FVR]

Personally, I would not use either for home defense. The M1 Garand in 3006 will go through, oh about three walls before it stops. Gungho shooters have shot their own family in a few cases.

The 9mm, gonna leave bullets all over the place. Maybe in combat, maybe if you decide to live in a hostile area.

Handguns are nice, but you have the kiddy safety factor to take into consideration.

Then there is the good old 12 guage shotgun. You can use slugs for large game and targets, buckshot for woods protection, birdshot for little critters and I'd go with a number 4 shot for home protection.

Whoeve you shoot, if you don't kill them first thing, they'll die on the table. That's alot of pellets to be getting out.

Well, that's if they make it past the dogs.

But then, M1 Garand is on my wish list. Oneday.

[Rick]

I posted this on another thread:

Well......for home defense:

The Lupara is a short barreled side by side (SXS), 12 or 16 ga, and usually open choked. Most are hammer guns. You will have to look long and hard to find a true Lupara not equipped with a sling. The term Lupara is Italian and literally means "wolf shot" and it has been used in Sicily for generations to protect flocks of sheep. You might also remember them as the instrument of choice in the movie The Godfather. We are not talking about the construction of an illegal weapon. A Lupara can be made to conform to ATF guidelines and current laws regarding barrel and overall length.

You will be hard pressed, however, to find a better home defense weapon than the Lupara. It is light, manueverable and if the sound of two rounds of buckshot passing by an intruder doesn't intimidate him, a SXS can be reloaded very quickly.

[BraggSurvivor]

I totally agree with you FVR, the good old 12 gauge is the way to go.....especially if you not that great of a shot under pressure. I have a Benelli Supernova that will look after all my needs.I even took it pheasant hunting last fall.

As a rifle i opted for a Remingtom 750 Woodmaster. It's light, semi-auto and can take down any animal that Canada has to offer.

[FVR]

Howdah........................

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Make sure you use both hands.

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