Looking to move into the wilderness and live off of the land?

[Sarge47]

People here are adults (presumably) and free to make their own determinations based on their lives, their desires, and their levels of trust. It is a fine thing that people here are skeptical and want to protect others from what might be a catastrophic mistake, but it is THEIRS TO MAKE. If you don't trust this woman, or Hollywood in general, that's great. Don't sign up. If someone here wants to actively pursue this 'opportunity' and goes into it with their eyes open, then so be it. Making this producer sound like one of Satan's lapdogs or the entire idea of going and doing a reality show as being completely ridiculous just isn't fair. I have known a number of producers and directors when I lived in California, and (given the fact they were in California and in show business!) they were usually regular, decent enough folks. Sure there were the money grubbing lowlifes, but you could say that about plastic surgeons, lawyers, stock brokers, corporate vp's, etc. Vilifying this producer for imagined wrongs and predicted horrors that might await any contestant with no empirical data to back that up isn't fair. I don't personally plan on opening myself and my life up to such scrutiny on national tv, but that is MY decision. Sabotaging someone else's chance at happiness or 15 minutes of fame isn't very neighborly. Concern, caring, warning, and giving folks a devil's advocate point of view is all well and good, but we should let them make their own choices and let this producer give them that opportunity. *steps off soapbox*

Yes, CW, they are indeed adults and will make up their minds, probably regardless of what I have to say. Even you and Crash aren't "rolling over" based on my comments and I think that says it all. However, I still want to sound a warning. Even Cody states that he had to decide to write what he needed to write despite the fact that it would "piss some people off!" My wife belongs to several other forums and gets the 411 from folks that have been there and were promised certain things by the reality show producers that were never forthcoming. Some paid a stiff price for their "15 minutes of fame." If some on here wish to try it out, fine. However it's like "Caveat Emptor," or "let the buyer beware." Only this time it would apply to the willing participant. Please note that the producer wrote in regard to this statement of mine:

"3.) If you show off all of your survival preps the Government as well as really bad people are more than likely taking notes!"

"None of this is accurate, but your concern is noted."

Some "bad" types have come onto those forums my wife is on stating that they ARE taking notes and in the event of a nasty scenario they now know where to go to find provisions that can be had for the taking. I think that it IS accurate, as was the story of the Hillbilly on Doomsday Preppers in Tennessee who had his guns taken away from him by his local government shortly after his episode aired. Do you think what I wrote is inaccurate? We all know what happened to gun owners by PETA during Hurricane Katrina, why give out anymore info than you have to? That's the warning I'm putting out and it not INACCURATE. (Hands soapbox back to CW.)

[Rick]

But....the show has nothing to do with prepping or where you keep anything. It's about those that want to live in the wilderness.

And comparing anyone on the planet to Mr. Sarti is really apples and oranges. That "Hillbilly" had more than a couple of screws loose to begin with.

[Sarge47]

But....the show has nothing to do with prepping or where you keep anything. It's about those that want to live in the wilderness.

And comparing anyone on the planet to Mr. Sarti is really apples and oranges. That "Hillbilly" had more than a couple of screws loose to begin with.

My point is that promises are often made that are not kept, and Mr. Sarti still had rights, however the media was his downfall. True, this show, while not addressing prepping or where goods are stored, will, however, show where people will live in an attempt to leave society. And not only does that leave a signature that might defeat the purpose of what they're trying to accomplish, they will also have provisions available that might interest the dregs of society that feed off of the efforts of others. However, the final decision is up to them. I only ask that anybody not taking my word on this read what Cody wrote about the reality genre and what it's really all about. Remember, any monies promised will be dependent on how the producers view what you say and do. So, yes, I consider it to be a matter of trust. It's up to you guys, you know where I stand. Do what you will. If you do I hope I'm totally wrong, that would be the best news I could possibly hope for. But I know from experience how things like this can go awry. If Ken were here I know that he'd advise you of getting a lawyer to go over all of the contracts and such to protect yourself. SD had the right idea, creative control.

[Rick]

If Ken were here his post would have to be moved. Again.

[Sarge47]

If Ken were here his post would have to be moved. Again.

Yeah, okay.

[Celticwarrior]

Lundin may have his reservations about reality tv now, but it didn't stop him from cashing their paychecks, accepting one assignment after another all over the world, and making a decent living off the survival minded folks who took his courses and bought his books based on his newfound fame as a reality show survival guru. Whatever Cody says, he is as mercenary as anyone else, and has made sure to parlay his Dual Survivor gig into a lot more money, tv appearances, and other niceties than he would have had otherwise. I am no fan of CL, and I found "When All Hell Breaks Loose" to be a giant waste of money and a not-even-trying-to-be-subtle advertisement for "98.6 Degrees" and not much else. I've never made any bones about the fact that I think he is very limited in his survival knowledge and experience, andthat while he's within that framework he may be a genius, but take him out of that environment, and he was lost other than BASIC skills. Canterbury carried him through environment after environment where he openly admitted he had no working knowledge of that type of locale. While he might have some bitterness over various aspects of selling his soul to the 'Man' to have an international audience for his 'gems of wisdom', so far we don't know if he will definitely not be back on Season 3 or if he might wind up with yet another survival show of his own. I find it hard to believe he would just up and retire back to his eco-friendly Arizona house and never again grace our tv screens. Time will tell, I suppose, but I wouldn't be betting on his fading into the desert sunset any time soon, regardless of his opinions about Reality TV.

[Sarge47]

Lundin may have his reservations about reality tv now, but it didn't stop him from cashing their paychecks, accepting one assignment after another all over the world, and making a decent living off the survival minded folks who took his courses and bought his books based on his newfound fame as a reality show survival guru. Whatever Cody says, he is as mercenary as anyone else, and has made sure to parlay his Dual Survivor gig into a lot more money, tv appearances, and other niceties than he would have had otherwise. I am no fan of CL, and I found "When All Hell Breaks Loose" to be a giant waste of money and a not-even-trying-to-be-subtle advertisement for "98.6 Degrees" and not much else. I've never made any bones about the fact that I think he is very limited in his survival knowledge and experience, andthat while he's within that framework he may be a genius, but take him out of that environment, and he was lost other than BASIC skills. Canterbury carried him through environment after environment where he openly admitted he had no working knowledge of that type of locale. While he might have some bitterness over various aspects of selling his soul to the 'Man' to have an international audience for his 'gems of wisdom', so far we don't know if he will definitely not be back on Season 3 or if he might wind up with yet another survival show of his own. I find it hard to believe he would just up and retire back to his eco-friendly Arizona house and never again grace our tv screens. Time will tell, I suppose, but I wouldn't be betting on his fading into the desert sunset any time soon, regardless of his opinions about Reality TV.

And where's David Canterbury now? Even Crashdive has come out against the man because he falsifyed his military records. Cody Lundin is using the show to advertise his books and school, true, however that was not my point, only that the Reality TV industry cannot be trusted. He goes on to say that he knows how the game is played, who on here does for certain? Why do you think that the producers of said show can be trusted?

[BENESSE]

My sentiments, to exactly, CW.

[Sarge47]

...so far we don't know if he will definitely not be back on Season 3 or if he might wind up with yet another survival show of his own.

You must have missed what I posted elsewhere from his FB page, anyway I DO respect the man's survival knowledge and hold him up as more of an expert than anyone else on this forum. I think that you and I are going to have to "agree to disagree" on this whole subject as we're not getting anywhere with it.

[Celticwarrior]

And where's David Canterbury now? Even Crashdive has come out against the man because he falsifyed his military records. Cody Lundin is using the show to advertise his books and school, true, however that was not my point, only that the Reality TV industry cannot be trusted. He goes on to say that he knows how the game is played, who on here does for certain? Why do you think that the producers of said show can be trusted?

While I am aware of the allegations against Canterbury from places like BCUSA and such, based solely on information from his service records as provided by the Freedom of Information Act (which as we all know does NOT contain sensitive information, and may not have a complete record for a particular soldier or sailor, just what is considered ok for public consumption), I did not serve with the man, nor do I know him personally, so I cannot attest to whether he is or is not lying about some of his service claims. Most likely he is 'padding his resume' in a way that most civilians wouldn't understand. For example, claiming to be a Ranger could be saying outright that he is a member of the cadre in the 75th (1st or 2nd Batt.) and has passed training and gotten his tab. However, if what he actually SAID was that he attended Ranger school (lots of people do, and wash out) or that he was a non-Airborne Ranger (so-called "Leg Rangers"), then he is omitting information while attempting to pass himself off as an elite soldier. A lie of omission is still a lie, but there is a technical ring of truth to it. Adding time to his service term (2 months I think, to make 7 years in instead of 6) could be accurate if he had deferred enlistment (common back then) or had to do reserve duty for months after leaving active duty. Saying he was a US Army Sniper is again misleading. He may have, as an MP, taken sniper classes, or acted as his unit's 'sniper' (read: SWAT type sharpshooter, not military combat sniper), but that is a far cry from having been assigned to take the full Sniper School at Benning and graduating as a combat sniper with scout training. Was he fully trained or was he just given a job in the MPs with classes in tactical sharpshooting?Again, I don't know. As for some of the other claims, there was a post on Discovery's DS website from someone who claimed to have served with Canterbury that attests to the accuracy of some of those items that were in question:

Stuntdriver
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I have known Dave Canterbury for more than 27 yrs. We served together in Korea in 1985 & were in the same platoon at the 260th M.P. Co., 728th M.P. BN., 8th Army. We were both on the post S.R.T. (Special Reaction Team) & members of the battalion's combined S.R.T. Dave was the scout for our post team as well as one of our snipers. I was the other sniper. We trained at our post & with the battalion as S.R.T. snipers as well as in regular S.R.T. tactics. I have photos of us doing S.R.T. training & field (combat) training. We performed regular M.P. duties at Camp Carroll, but we would often be detailed to provide material escorts (mainly by rail) all over Korea. I went on numerous escorts, at least three of them with Dave. (The people that you worked with changed often) We traveled to & from Korea's largest southern port of Pusan (Bu-san) to the DMZ & anywhere in between. As a combat M.P., Dave was a squad leader & was the company instructor for unarmed combat tactics & was a survival instructor for our platoon. All I know is that we did these things. I can't speak for & I have no control of what is put in someone's records, but I was there & I know what we did do. There are many things that I did in the military that are not in my records, but that doesn't mean that I didn't do them. We were also in a band together. I'm not sure what people are saying that he did or did not do, but I know what he did while he was stationed with me. Even those many years ago, I would have thought him to be well suited for the show. I do know that the shooting schedule for Seasons 1 & 2 were difficult on his family & his business as he is the breadwinner. He has something in the works on another network with a well known personality that has a much briefer shooting schedule. More later when I get the okay.

So, again, I am not in a position to judge Canterbury. I suspect that like a lot of people, he made claims that were at the very best a 'white lie' regarding the breadth and scope of his training and experience. When Oliver Stone made "Platoon" he stated that he was in a forward combat unit like the one portrayed in the film and that he was often under fire and in danger during his tour. Later it was revealed that he was a typing and file clerk in a rear unit and never got near combat. Is that Canterbury's story or did he just put things on his 'resume' or allow things to be put in his Discovery Bio that were untrue or only partially true? I don't know. I know that he knows a lot about survival in the woods. I know that he can be a giant pain in the @$$. I know that he has an ego the size of Montana. Beyond that, I can't comment on whether he is guilty of 'stolen valor' or not. The guy in the post that says he served with him seemed to accept what he said as true, and validates many of his claims, so make of that what you will, assuming the poster is actually for real.

[Sarge47]

I found a bunch of info through google

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1160.htm

I also trust Crash on it. There were also the really stupid things that he did like cutting his arm and cauterizing it with flame from a black powder gun. Then there was the time he tried getting honey from a bee hive inside a tree, Cody advised him not to but he did it anyway, and received a bunch of stings. I laughed so hard at that one that my sides ached. I, too, am sorry to see him go as he was great comedy relief!

[crashdive123]

For the record - I believe I said that there have been those that questioned the accuracy of Dave's military service. I also said that his skill levels are apparent. I never said or indicated that I had personal knowledge or the definitive answer on Dave's military service.

[Sarge47]

For the record - I believe I said that there have been those that questioned the accuracy of Dave's military service. I also said that his skill levels are apparent. I never said or indicated that I had personal knowledge or the definitive answer on Dave's military service.

If I misunderstood I apologize.

[Sarge47]

The fact still remains though that Dave Canterbury is gone from Dual Survival and Cody's still there with a new partner. I learned much from both guys, although I think Dave took too many risks, that's what makes the ratings soar! I would, actually, take Dave over Bear or Mykel any day of the week, although it looks like Dave is making a short film with Mykel for young people.

This is off of his FB page dated July 3rd:

ANNOUNCEMENT-Okay I have been waiting to let this out until things were solidified but I am going to be Making another TV Series with Myke Hawke for the Outdoor Channel with a Youth/Teen Survival Theme. I cannot release all details at thispoint but wanted to let friends know the new developments. It will be a very short filming season and this will allow me plenty of time for Family, The Pathfinder School, and YT Video Production. Just wanted to give everyone and update that is about all the info I can release at this time. Thank you for your support! Have a great Holiday Weekend!

Here's the FB page it came off of:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dave-...r/142229423061

[Sarge47]

Again, I'm sorry if I misunderstood you Crash, I was going by what I had read here sometime back:

"The issue I have with Dave C. is that there are stories about a much exaggerated "resume" of military service, much of it being totally false. I have not requested information regarding it with a FOIA request, but it leaves doubts in my mind about him. An individual's integrity is pretty high on my list of important things."

This is post #57 of this thread:

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...ave+Canterbury

References posted.

[brotherjohn]

Eventually I will own nothing more than I can carry and will travel hustling my art and music and visiting friends Ive made online. The World will be my wilderness.

[Sarge47]

Eventually I will own nothing more than I can carry and will travel hustling my art and music and visiting friends Ive made online. The World will be my wilderness.

If it works for you then it works for me.

[Celticwarrior]

I found a bunch of info through google

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1160.htm

I also trust Crash on it. There were also the really stupid things that he did like cutting his arm and cauterizing it with flame from a black powder gun. Then there was the time he tried getting honey from a bee hive inside a tree, Cody advised him not to but he did it anyway, and received a bunch of stings. I laughed so hard at that one that my sides ached. I, too, am sorry to see him go as he was great comedy relief!

Looks like that website listing for Canterbury was cut and pasted directly from the BCUSA post, which itself may have been written in yet another forum originally. Nothing was changed or altered. It is submitted by someone, but the site accepted it at face value and it says nothing about independently verifying those claims. It simply lists the accusations 'as-is'. Vetting those accusations as well as verifying the original claims by Canterbury would be important, rather than simply cutting/pasting the same stuff and spreading it around the Net. As I said, I don't know the guy and I don't know his actual service record. As I also said, I am willing to bet that he 'streamlined' or 'accentuated' his resume to appear to be more than what he was in the Army during his 6 or 7 years of service for the purposes of establishing himself as an 'expert'. I have a problem with Stolen Valor just like anyone who has served, but I will give Canterbury the benefit of the doubt until it can be conclusively proven that he has actually stated specific claims that were patently not true. When you get folks out there like Steven Seagal claiming to have been a CIA assassin, or various politicians claiming to have been a SEAL, when they clearly never were, then I have a real issue with them. Saying you were a US Army Sniper, when you were an MP Sniper in the Army is a matter of semantics, and one that has significance only to folks who were actually a Sniper (as in, went to sniper school, completed the course, and acted as a sniper in combat) or those who want to nit-pick. If he actually claimed to BE a Ranger (not served with them, attached to them for a time, or went to and washed out of Ranger school) then that is different. Same with getting various medals. Those are honors that are reserved for VERY few and required great committment and sacrifice to obtain, and stealing credit for them when you did not actually EARN them is not only dishonorable but may be illegal depending on when the claims were made.

[Sarge47]

I don't know, just that Cody has stated that both he and Discovery has completely "vetted" his new partner. Anyway, I liked Dave, remember the time he used his hat to grab the skunk? Hilarious! I am going to miss his silly antics!

[Sarge47]

Looks like that website listing for Canterbury was cut and pasted directly from the BCUSA post, which itself may have been written in yet another forum originally. Nothing was changed or altered. It is submitted by someone, but the site accepted it at face value and it says nothing about independently verifying those claims. It simply lists the accusations 'as-is'. Vetting those accusations as well as verifying the original claims by Canterbury would be important, rather than simply cutting/pasting the same stuff and spreading it around the Net. As I said, I don't know the guy and I don't know his actual service record. As I also said, I am willing to bet that he 'streamlined' or 'accentuated' his resume to appear to be more than what he was in the Army during his 6 or 7 years of service for the purposes of establishing himself as an 'expert'. I have a problem with Stolen Valor just like anyone who has served, but I will give Canterbury the benefit of the doubt until it can be conclusively proven that he has actually stated specific claims that were patently not true. When you get folks out there like Steven Seagal claiming to have been a CIA assassin, or various politicians claiming to have been a SEAL, when they clearly never were, then I have a real issue with them. Saying you were a US Army Sniper, when you were an MP Sniper in the Army is a matter of semantics, and one that has significance only to folks who were actually a Sniper (as in, went to sniper school, completed the course, and acted as a sniper in combat) or those who want to nit-pick. If he actually claimed to BE a Ranger (not served with them, attached to them for a time, or went to and washed out of Ranger school) then that is different. Same with getting various medals. Those are honors that are reserved for VERY few and required great committment and sacrifice to obtain, and stealing credit for them when you did not actually EARN them is not only dishonorable but may be illegal depending on when the claims were made.

Anyhoo, the way I see it it could be worse, you could be in favor of Bear Grylls...although, like David, he's also looking for work.