Gun control. social engineering?

[BENESSE]

Every month the NRA publishes The Armed Citizen inside each of their magazines. Whether you agree with the NRA or not is not germane. The stories told within the article are true and testimony to the power of legally protecting yourself when someone seems he11 bent on doing you harm.

I'm all for the right to legally protect myself. No arguments there.

[crashdive123]

I'm all for the right to legally protect myself. No arguments there.

That is the problem with many of the laws. They take away that right in certain situations that the lawmakers determine the following: 1 - they know better than us, 2 - Constitution need not apply here.

[BENESSE]

I thought the reason that the "Va. Tech Guy" fell through the cracks, was that his mental problems were not reported, because of PC/privacy stuff.

No that was our Army Major Malik Hasan.
I am yet to read that SOMEone here holds the Army responsible for dropping the ball on this one.

[2dumb2kwit]

No that was our Army Major Malik Hasan.
I am yet to read that SOMEone here holds the Army responsible for dropping the ball on this one.

OK, that makes two. (I think the Va. Tech guy, had actually been treated for mental problems. There were some issues.....I can't remember the details.)

If what I have read about Major Sicko, is correct, the Army, and possibly the FBI need to have their feet held to the fire. The problem is....I don't know, for sure, what to believe. I've heard/read conflicting stories.

[Rick]

Hey! Let's knock off talking about sickos all right? My doctor said it's hard on my self esteem.

[BENESSE]

Hey! Let's knock off talking about sickos all right? My doctor said it's hard on my self esteem.

Perhaps psychologically challenged?

[2dumb2kwit]

Hey! Let's knock off talking about sickos all right? My doctor said it's hard on my self esteem.

It's OK, Rick, you're entertainingly crazy.....that's different.

[crashdive123]

Nah - I've seen that picture. Sicko is about right.

[BENESSE]

Nah - I've seen that picture. Sicko is about right.

For Hasan or Rick?

[oly]

I would like to thank you for your opinions and here is mine.
You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” – Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto ...
I personally feel that the right to bear arms is over 1/2 of our national defence.
Sorry rick but I don't believe in statistics that can be altered for a goal.
Ben I think that a criminal is like a predator, It only seeks out the weak or easy targets. People will kill people and you don't need a gun to get er done, it has been recorded from the beginning of time.
Now for the reason I started this is that I hear more of violet crime that isn't publicised but if a person even banishes a weapon in self defence its all over the news. Hmmmmmm.

[Rick]

Sorry rick but I don't believe in statistics that can be altered for a goal.

And what goal would that be? And if not their numbers, who's would be accurate?

[finallyME]

Benesse I think we can agree on a few things.

We don't want bad guys to have guns.
We want a safe, peaceful society.

Were we differ is that I don't think it is possible to take guns away from bad guys. So, the premise of my argument is that since bad guys will always have guns, what do we do from there?

[Rick]

I'm sure I'll get in trouble once more but here goes.

Many years ago the federal penitentiary at Marion, Illinios had several (3 if I remember) gaurds killed. The prison went on lock down and, to my knowledge, has been so ever since. The prisoners are allowed out of their cells 1 hour per day, their beds are a concrete pad with a mattress, they have no power weights, no running tracks, no television. They get to sit in their cells and contemplate what they did. In my mind, that's how it's supposed to be. Prison should not present a better environment than that which you had on the outside. Otherwise, what incintive is there to stay out of prison?

[BENESSE]

Benesse I think we can agree on a few things.

We don't want bad guys to have guns.
We want a safe, peaceful society.

Were we differ is that I don't think it is possible to take guns away from bad guys. So, the premise of my argument is that since bad guys will always have guns, what do we do from there?

Actually, I don't think we even differ there.

Bad guys will always find a way to get guns illegally, so we should have the right to own them legally.
At the same time (pursuing parallel paths here) we need to judiciously perform background checks to make sure some nut doesn't fall through the cracks and gets a hold of one on our watch.
Will he be able to get a gun illegally if he really wants to?
Yeah, we can't help that.
But why not try to do everything that is in our power to prevent it from happening?
That's ALL I am advocating and of course strict enforcement of the laws already on the books.

[BENESSE]

I'm sure I'll get in trouble once more but here goes.

Many years ago the federal penitentiary at Marion, Illinios had several (3 if I remember) gaurds killed. The prison went on lock down and, to my knowledge, has been so ever since. The prisoners are allowed out of their cells 1 hour per day, their beds are a concrete pad with a mattress, they have no power weights, no running tracks, no television. They get to sit in their cells and contemplate what they did. In my mind, that's how it's supposed to be. Prison should not present a better environment than that which you had on the outside. Otherwise, what incintive is there to stay out of prison?

Why on earth would you get in trouble for that? You are right, of course.
I'd like to go a step further though and find a way to make them useful.
Whatever happened to chain gangs?

[Rick]

We saw them a lot when I was a kid. Cleaning the right of way or working on community projects. Preventing cruel and unusual should be reserved for victims IMHO.

[2dumb2kwit]

I'm still liking the way Sheriff Joe, handles things.
(Actually, I think we (as a people) hold him back, too much.)

[BENESSE]

I'm still liking the way Sheriff Joe, handles things.
(Actually, I think we (as a people) hold him back, too much.)

Sheriff Joe is my personal hero!!!
That should be our blue-print on how to handle criminals country wide.

[Rick]

Good ole green bologna.

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[Batch]

Firearms routinely are confiscated in prisons. Some are smuggled in and in some cases by crooked LEO. Many more are manufactured in prisons.

A firearm is just a tube, a projectile, a propellant and some sort of trigger. In fact every type of criminal enterprise continues in side prison walls. Under close supervision of LEOs. Its simpler in their too. The profile is that everyone is a criminal...

To many recordings exist on line where 911 documented the final fearful pleas of an unarmed person and their loved ones. Police investigate crimes. There is little they can do to prevent crimes. That is something we must do by making the risks out weigh the reward...