P A L

[tsitenha]

There are just courses for a P A L, but taking the hunter safety course along with the P A L is only a few hours or 1 day longer and you get the flexability of going hunting if you want to.

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[HOP]

Davef I agree with your reasons for obtaining a gun , I think it is a shame almost world wide to need the goverments permission to protective ones selfbut it does cut down on the misunderstandings . I have a CCW here in WV as I did in TX before I moved here and I don't go any where unarmed even when hunting I carry conceled. The one time I went unarmed here while waiting for my CCW I was walking my Airedale in the woods and someone shot him dead from hiding This was before my heart surgery I couldn't even run off. I was in fear of my life but the person did not revel their selfs or do any thing else.
I don't need anyones permission to protect myself but would be taking a chance without conforming to the regulation.
I hunt and fish and have always had a way to protect my self and took the trouble to learn how to use the weapon . And for over 40 years I have not had to use those weapons but they were a comfort except the time one time I really needed , If that time had been someone who wanted no witnesses and I had a loved one with me I have to ask if it is worth legal issues to protect self and others.

[davef]

Davef I agree with your reasons for obtaining a gun , I think it is a shame almost world wide to need the goverments permission to protective ones self but it does cut down on the misunderstandings .

It appears to be a real issue just about everywhere. I've been catching up
on the debate here in Canada, and have been following it in the U.S. as well.
It's a very polarizing issue in both countries. I have friends who say that
they will never give up their firearms, who say that they will never register
them, and would bury them in their backyards before giving them up.

I have a CCW here in WV as I did in TX before I moved here and I don't go any where unarmed even when hunting I carry conceled. The one time I went unarmed here while waiting for my CCW I was walking my Airedale in the woods and someone shot him dead from hiding This was before my heart surgery I couldn't even run off. I was in fear of my life but the person did not revel their selfs or do any thing else.

That's really sad to hear. I don't know what I'd do if someone shot my dog.
Must have been pretty tense waiting to see if another bullet was coming your
way.

I hunt and fish and have always had a way to protect my self and took the trouble to learn how to use the weapon . And for over 40 years I have not had to use those weapons but they were a comfort except the time one time I really needed , If that time had been someone who wanted no witnesses and I had a loved one with me I have to ask if it is worth legal issues to protect self and others.

I'm hoping that I never have to use the shotgun either, but I'd rather take
the time to prepare to use it and never use it than not be prepared and
actually need it.

There are just courses for a P A L, but taking the hunter safety course along with the P A L is only a few hours or 1 day longer and you get the flexability of going hunting if you want to.

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I'm thinking of taking the hunter safety course as well, but have to go and
buy the course book.

Cheers

[marberry]

any of thoes friends have a ruger 10/22 they would be willing to sell ?

[Ole WV Coot]

Please correct me if I am wrong but with a CCW in WV didn't the Gov sign into law that is not only a Castle Doctrine type but it also covers anyplace you are allowed legally to carry. For instance you are no longer required to retreat from an attacker and if you consider yourself or property in danger you can use any force you want? It's 12:30 am here and don't have anyone to ask.

[crashdive123]

Not sure about WV, but that's my understanding of the FL law that was passed. I have read that quite a few states were modeling their laws after the FL ones.

[nell67]

In Indiana,it is legal to defend yourself and your property.




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[trax]

Well, with all of the restrictions and azzbackward laws in the People's Socialist Democracy of Canada, I tend to adhere to the old adage that I'd rather be tried by twelve men than carried by six men.

[wareagle69]

dude i almost posted that same thing this morning but chose not to

[davef]

In Indiana,it is legal to defend yourself and your property.

It's legal in Canada as well, you just can't use more force than is necessary.
My intention in getting the shotgun wasn't for home defense, but rather for
bush defense, as in "I'm fishing and run into a rather angry bear that wants
me for lunch"
For home defense, I have a dog that makes lots of noise, as well as many
non-lethal alternatives placed at opportune places throughout the house.
Because of storage restrictions on firearms, it would take a fair bit of time
for me to unlock the trigger lock then unlock the ammo box then load the
shotgun. Far easier to phone the cops then get the baseball bat ready in
case they get by the dog.

[trax]

dude i almost posted that same thing this morning but chose not to

I can understand that, given what junior barnes was posting about chemical warfare or whatever the **** that was, but I am speaking in terms of absolute, life threatening necessity. Do I have to add my resume (years of using firearms)? or some kind of disclaimer...kids don't try this at home, uncle Trax is a bit of a nutjob.

[davef]

Don't think that I posted this yet, been busy lately with moving my mom and getting
ready for Christmas among other things, but this is the shotgun that I ended up with.
I really like shooting it, although I have to take it in and get a few things done to it.
I thought it would kick a lot more than it does. Actually feels not too bad. Now just
have to figure out how to hit something with it

Cheers
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[wareagle69]

i have not checked out canadian laws i had to register myself in the states i choose not to carry firearms anymore i am always armed just in a more inconspicous manner most that posses guns for illeagal and immoral purposes ususally don't no jack about close quarters combat

[tsitenha]

Check again davef, in Canada you do not have the "right" of self defense.

[HOP]

Please correct me if I am wrong but with a CCW in WV didn't the Gov sign into law that is not only a Castle Doctrine type but it also covers anyplace you are allowed legally to carry. For instance you are no longer required to retreat from an attacker and if you consider yourself or property in danger you can use any force you want? It's 12:30 am here and don't have anyone to ask.

OWVC you are right about the WV castle doctrine but I am not sure of its exact wording. My gun club has a guy that keeps track with 2nd amendment type stuff and he has not got back with the particulars yet.

I think that training is good when you can get it but bottom line is when you fear for your life and they can't teach that.

By the way I have been having computer trouble and am having trouble getting on line but will work on it.

[crashdive123]

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