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    Im going on a big adventure soon and i want to bring a servival shovel. I wanted the crovel 2 but they cant provide one in time . So im kind of leaning towards the Chinese military folding shovel or the coald steal spetsnaz. Is there anything beter out there what do you guyes think.


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    I don't recommend cheap plastic ones. They may weigh less but they are not sharp enough to cut down into dirt.
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    Just a personal perspective - folding is nice, but I don't like the idea of that kind of moving part that could go bad. A shovel being something that'd have stresses on it. It's an item that, if it malfunctions, is hard to improvise precisely because it's made that way. But of course that depends on the design. To solve this dilemma though, an idea I do like is a shovel which is intentionally made without a handle, but to accept a handle that I'd fashion for it when out in the bush. That way, I get what a person is trying to get with a folding one - low weight and small space when carrying. And, it's intrinsically amenable to "repair" by simply fashioning another handle, cause it's made that way in the first place.

    So, a shovel is something that I'd just custom make myself. Would be pretty darned easy. Relative to a good knife, that is. And would make sure that the socket is specifically made a certain way for this purpose...not flimsy, and with a hole or two into which to drive a retainer pin. Or just made to wedge real nicely. But also made so I can get a broken piece out of it.
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    One of the older Doomsday Prepper shows, guy was using the Chinese Mil shovel to chop up a dead pig.....?

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    ^ So they're pretty tough? Probably adds some weight to a pack though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingTree View Post
    Just a personal perspective - folding is nice, but I don't like the idea of that kind of moving part that could go bad. A shovel being something that'd have stresses on it. It's an item that, if it malfunctions, is hard to improvise precisely because it's made that way. But of course that depends on the design. To solve this dilemma though, an idea I do like is a shovel which is intentionally made without a handle, but to accept a handle that I'd fashion for it when out in the bush. That way, I get what a person is trying to get with a folding one - low weight and small space when carrying. And, it's intrinsically amenable to "repair" by simply fashioning another handle, cause it's made that way in the first place.

    So, a shovel is something that I'd just custom make myself. Would be pretty darned easy. Relative to a good knife, that is. And would make sure that the socket is specifically made a certain way for this purpose...not flimsy, and with a hole or two into which to drive a retainer pin. Or just made to wedge real nicely. But also made so I can get a broken piece out of it.
    Yeah I totally agree about the whole folding part and I wish I had time to make one for myself I was thinking it would be pretty cool to make one that was part shovel part billhook. I think for the very reason of sturdiness and the fact that I can make a new handle if the wooden handle breaks I'm going to go with the cold steel Spetsnaz shovel.

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    What kind of adventure? Are you always going to be next to a vehicle? Are you backpacking?

    My favorite shovel for backpacking is an indian digging stick. It doesn't weigh much, and is pretty cheap. Okay, so it is free, and since I don't carry it, it weighs nothing. For backpacking, the only thing you need a shovel for is to dig a cat hole. Like 1s said above, a plastic shovel will break on you..... trust me on this one. A good sturdy stick generally won't, and if it does.... find another.

    If you really need a shovel, get a real one, like a full size one with the D handle. If you have ever had to dig a fox hole with an entrenching tool... you know what I mean by real shovel.
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    If you have a vehicle, it should have an ax, shovel, and saw ....and I added bolt cutters....on board at all times.

    If I'm am gonna carry a shovel,..... then I bring my old US Milsup (has been around for ever)......has blade and pick....and yes, does have moving parts....but mine is older than I am....

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    indian digging stick
    Absolutely. And I do love me a D handle, along with a short handle. Instead of standing, I get on my knees with a short D handle, I can dig a hole to China.
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    I cant talk about the adventure at this point but i am bring other stuf. So mostly I'm just concerned about a shovel that is a really good shovel. I love the folder i have at home its really old but I won't be bringing a welder and I've already had to be weld that one 3 times.

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    A good thing about some of the folding contraptions is when it's one where you can change the angle of the blade to a right angle. That's real handy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachary Fowler View Post
    I cant talk about the adventure at this point but i am bring other stuf. So mostly I'm just concerned about a shovel that is a really good shovel. I love the folder i have at home its really old but I won't be bringing a welder and I've already had to be weld that one 3 times.
    Then why bring it up in your original post?
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    You are not gonna dig a well every night are you......?
    Had a guy suggest the best tool for survival was a shovel....pick a spot and dig a well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashdive123 View Post
    Then why bring it up in your original post?
    LOL. The super top secret adventure.
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    I had an old entrenching tool with shovel and pick. Lasted nearly 40 years before the tangs that the collet screws up against wore off at teh corners enough to close even when the collet was tight. I don't remember seeing Made In China anywhere on it. Couldn't bring myself to toss it. Buried it like an old friend, near an old stone wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter63 View Post
    Not gonna do it....not gonna do it......
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    Ok so i went with the cold steel Spetsnaz shovel. Becaus what walking tree said about folding parts. And finally me said just bring a regular shovel. So the spetsnaz is the closest to a regular shovel with no folding parts and if i find im using it alot i can always make a longer handle. And its sharp edge can be used as a hid scraper or small boosh machete tool .

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    WTH ?

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