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    Default Before You Ask About A New Pack........

    We get frequent requests for advice regarding which pack a member should buy. I propose that we use the following “inquiry” as our guide to answering such questions. Any comments or suggestions here?

    Okay, you’re looking for a new pack and you want us to recommend one to you. We get these questions all the time here. The more information we have, the better our recommendations will be. Before we recommend a pack for your consideration, please provide us with as much of the following information as possible.

    1. What is the gender, height and build of the person who will be using this pack?

    2. How much do you expect this pack to weigh empty?

    3. Will this pack be carried or worn as a backpack?

    4. What do you intend to carry in this pack?

    5. What is its intended use? BOB, Backpacking, Backcountry Ski Trips, Mountaineering?

    6. Do you prefer a MOLLE or ALICE type pack? Do you know what they are?

    7. Where, in terms of terrain, do you intend to use this pack?

    8. How long do you expect to carry or wear this pack each day?

    9. Do you want a frame pack or a frameless pack? Internal frame or external frame?

    10. Are you looking for a pack made of a specific type of material?

    11. Do you know your volume requirement in cubic inches and/or liters?

    12. Do you require hydration compatibility?

    13. Do you require water bottle pockets?

    14. Do you want a waist belt and/or sternum strap?

    15. Do you want a torso adjustment?

    16. Do you prefer top-access, rear-access, or bottom access?

    17. Do you require multiple pockets? What kind? How many?

    18. Should your pack have a detachable day-pack or fanny pack built in?

    19. Do you need a sleeping bag compartment?

    20. Do you need a tent compartment?

    21. Do you need a rain cover? Attached or removable?

    22. Do you need a shovel pocket?

    23. Will you be carrying a snowboard?

    24. Will you be carrying skis?

    25. Do you require gear loops?

    26. Do you require ice axe loops?

    27. Do you require a built-in Avalung?

    28. How much are you prepared to spend?
    Last edited by Ken; 06-17-2009 at 11:53 PM. Reason: Forgot to include the Avalung.
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    All good questions to answer for one that is looking for a pack.
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    I agree. It deserves a sticky......stuck!

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    Cool Heh, heh!

    And that, my friends, is why Ken is in "Quality Control"!
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    Cool Yo Ken!

    Now let's see what you can do about the "survival knife".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge47 View Post
    Now let's see what you can do about the "survival knife".
    This could take a day or so.........
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    If you do, just make it is the 1,188th post of the knife sticky.......since the first 1,187 posts have not seemed to answer anything definitively.
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    The question pertaining to external or internal frame packs should be based more on wether you will be on trail or going cross country. If you are going to exclusively on trails, then an external frameed pack works just fine. But if you are going to be hiking cross country in rough terrain and climbing over things (like debris after a disaster) then an internal framed pack is prefered as its center of gravity will be closer to your natural center of gravity.
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    That was a very nice post Ken, with all of the right questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SARKY View Post
    The question pertaining to external or internal frame packs should be based more on wether you will be on trail or going cross country. If you are going to exclusively on trails, then an external frameed pack works just fine. But if you are going to be hiking cross country in rough terrain and climbing over things (like debris after a disaster) then an internal framed pack is prefered as its center of gravity will be closer to your natural center of gravity.
    I agree, Sarky....


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    5. What is its intended use? BOB, Backpacking, Backcountry Ski Trips, Mountaineering?

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    7. Where, in terms of terrain, do you intend to use this pack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge47 View Post
    Now let's see what you can do about the "survival knife".
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    If it's ok I'd like to wake this conversation up.
    First I'd be willing to bet that none of you own "a" pack, and right here I'm willing to lighten my soul and confess that I have on occasion owned as many as five backpacks at one time ,A frames, internal frames no frames... . So I guess what I'm saying is that there may be no (at least I haven't found it) one pack if you do a lot of different stuff that requires portage by oneself. I don't know about now but back in the day places like R.E.I that operated out of old warehouses and didn't sell frills, rented outdoor gear and that was one way to try out different stuff, you could find out if it was a backpack , a backache or a pos
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    Quote Originally Posted by notlost View Post
    First I'd be willing to bet that none of you own "a" pack, and right here I'm willing to lighten my soul and confess that I have on occasion owned as many as five backpacks at one time....
    I have about 20.
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    Too true. Do I include vehicle bags in that count? Sheeesh.

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    Looks good but wouldn't it just be easier to tell them to go down to the store, try some packs on, fill them with some weight and see how it feels? I'm just saying.
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    Full sized, medium, small, bob, vehicles - yeah 20 sounds about right.
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    Now duffel bags are another story. There always goin' on sale someplace, and Ocean State Job Lot is always gettin' really neat new ones in, and they're only a couple of bucks, so figure, maybe, 100.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doug1980 View Post
    Looks good but wouldn't it just be easier to tell them to go down to the store, try some packs on, fill them with some weight and see how it feels? I'm just saying.
    Well sure, can I do that for 4 or 5 days, throw in some rain, scoot around some dead fall and walk some slippery rocks ?
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    Maybe the admins should lock the "Stickys" so they don't end up full of...stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by notlost View Post
    Well sure, can I do that for 4 or 5 days, throw in some rain, scoot around some dead fall and walk some slippery rocks ?
    peace
    No you can't but asking someone else how it works in those conditions won't be much more help either. They all fit each person differently.
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