what did everyone learn

[wareagle69]

what did you get out of the role playing scenario that rim came up with that you will take and evaluate.

i see that as a society we fear that someone will take what we have hoarded and then we will be w/o. I used to think that way until only weeks ago which is why i posted the absolute must read post, now i spend my time on a bug in situation, this afternoon my wife and i are looking at a straw bale house full solar and wind generation completley off the grid for 180,000 good deal about an hour from town. soon as we find a property we like i will start my bunker w/in a bunker for bugging in.

[FVR]

I agree with the "bug in" theory.

I realized that I am more militaristic than I thought. I have alot to offer, but on the other hand I am a bit of a recluse. I can be in the thick of camp but prefer being on the outskirts.

I like to do my own thing and need that room.

My concern for the group although genuine, is a bit selfish. It is a way that I keep control, in some groups it seems it could work out. In others, it could be a serious problem and I would have to leave.

It was amazing to see personalities come out, were they genuine? I think some were. All depends on what you put into it.

Totally enjoyable.

[ryaninmichigan]

I learned War can cover a 30 mile loop in one night.

[owl_girl]

I had a lot of fun. I learned a little more about you guys and you guys have a lot of respect from me. FRV when you said that if you felt sick you would just up and leave, that made me feel so bad and it wasn’t even real lol. I think volwest makes a very protective leader, and he takes that role very seriously.

While we were role playing I kept wondering what people who aren’t a member of the forum thought when they were reading that, for people who didn’t catch on right away that we were role playing it probably sounded pretty funky lol. That’s an amusing thought.

[Sarge47]

I learned that, for the most part, we all pulled together. Teamwork is important and VW, if you don't quit trying to sound like a Psycoanalyst on steroids I swear. ... I also learned that I don't read ultra-long posts. It wasn't all bad, we learned who could be counted on, I didn't see anyone who wasn't there for the other. Kinda like that in the service and in war. You make friends and watch each other's backs. I would still hang with anyone of you, provided I had a roll of duct tape for VW's rants I think the only problem we had here was the way it started out. The details were sketchy and filled in as we went along.
Like VW & FVR I'm going to "Bug-in" if I can. I'd like to see another, more "down to earth" scenario where a shorter term episode would be the case and have someone else as leader, as VW has had his shot. It would be interesting, I think to do this placing different members in the Leader's role at times would also be interesting. Any thoughts? Comments? Questions? Candy?

[FVR]

VW,

It's not that I want to leave, but rather I trust in myself more than others. It is more of a control issue. To the point, I'm a control freak. Not to control everyone else, but rather to keep control of myself.

If others want to put their trust and control on me, fine. I will treat you like I treat myself, very hard and compassionate.

The "wood cutter" is a position of complete control. I managed to be able to do what I wanted, when I wanted. I do this by giving 110% to my comrads, and expecting them to do the same.

I do this in real life in my job. I have to be the best and I push myself to be the best. I do however make mistakes and sometimes get pushed back. I accept my mistakes and if I have to restart, I do.

I also work well with micro managers. My tactic is to call them out, point blank. Once they back down, I then will give them all the info. they want, actually more than they want, when I want. Amazing how you can win managers over this way.

The "smoking fire" is an example of this. I set myself up to make a mistake, a grave mistake. Granite, I pulled Sarge in, but the ultimate resp. was on me. There was no mistake about that.

To make mistakes, own up to them, and make them right is far better than to just do right all the time. Take the two L/cps up for promotion. One is and has always been squared away. The other, is squared away, but has been busted once back a rank. He then regains his acting NCO position and respect by the men around him.

Who gets the promotion? The one that was busted once.

They will say "look how far he's come."

I enjoy your posts as I like looking "beyond" the picture. Show me a picture of yourself, I will look at your pic but then my attention goes beyond you. I look at where the pic was taken, who is in the background, etc. It's kind of fun.

You do this but with words.

[Fog_Harbor]

I learned that there are better things to do than pick every little thing apart to look at the insides, and that sometimes it's better to shut up than to try to prove you're right.

[wareagle69]

you took the words right out of my mouth foggy..

[ryaninmichigan]

I learned that, for the most part, we all pulled together. Teamwork is important and VW, if you don't quit trying to sound like a Psycoanalyst on steroids I swear. ... I also learned that I don't read ultra-long posts. It wasn't all bad, we learned who could be counted on, I didn't see anyone who wasn't there for the other. Kinda like that in the service and in war. You make friends and watch each other's backs. I would still hang with anyone of you, provided I had a roll of duct tape for VW's rants I think the only problem we had here was the way it started out. The details were sketchy and filled in as we went along.
Like VW & FVR I'm going to "Bug-in" if I can. I'd like to see another, more "down to earth" scenario where a shorter term episode would be the case and have someone else as leader, as VW has had his shot. It would be interesting, I think to do this placing different members in the Leader's role at times would also be interesting. Any thoughts? Comments? Questions? Candy?

ment to quote someone else not sarge.

[FVR]

I never would have thought that it would have gone this way, not here. Now, I'm on another board, USMC TWS where you actually pay to join. Really tough site, they check you out before joining.

You put up your bio and the discussions get really hot. You either get thick skinned or like many, leave. Since there are many political threads, you can imagine how ego's sometimes run rampant.

I would not have expected that here. Everyone brings something to the table. I'm not going to go into what because honestly, I don't want to.

Here, you have to take the others word or typing as honest. Could someone be bsing, sure but if that is there way, so be it. You can call them on it, test them, question them, but why? It's just truly an act of frustration, on your part.

So, let these threads die and let's get back to basics, because that's why we are here.

That's just my buck two fifty.

[Sarge47]

I never would have thought that it would have gone this way, not here. Now, I'm on another board, USMC TWS where you actually pay to join. Really tough site, they check you out before joining.

You put up your bio and the discussions get really hot. You either get thick skinned or like many, leave. Since there are many political threads, you can imagine how ego's sometimes run rampant.

I would not have expected that here. Everyone brings something to the table. I'm not going to go into what because honestly, I don't want to.

Here, you have to take the others word or typing as honest. Could someone be bsing, sure but if that is there way, so be it. You can call them on it, test them, question them, but why? It's just truly an act of frustration, on your part.

So, let these threads die and let's get back to basics, because that's why we are here.

That's just my buck two fifty.

I wasn't going to come back to this forum because of the nonsense I seen going on here. As a matter of fact If not for several PM's from one of you whom I now consider a friend I wouldn't be back at all. The problem that I had with VW was NOT his psyco-babble, it was what he was claiming about himself. He claims he was in the military, yet had never heard of an A.L.I.C.E. pack; I have two nephews who have recently signed up and they both know what that is. He claims to have some college training in psycology but doesn't know the 4 essentials of a society survival situation, something that's taught in the 1st week of Sociology 101. He's implied that he's had a "masters "in psycology, but he couldn't even give the proper spelling of the word "Flu" (not "flew") At times the tone of his posts makes him sound less knowledgeable, and much younger than he claims. He also attempts to manipulate the readers on this forum, however I don't think he's "all that". So I left. Then I realized that for every VW I'd lose I'd also lose the Wolves like FVR, TRAX, WE, Nell, DEET, Lumpy, & so on.(You guys sorta sound like the 7 dwarves ) VW's not worth it. So I've got another scenario comin' up that's gonna be interesting, most of you will probably like it, we'll see.

[lumpy]

I thought it was an interesting exercise.I've never done any role playing before.I knew going into this that I wasn't very well prepared for a TSHTF.I didn't realize just how poorly prepared until this exercise.
I would have liked it to have gone on a little longer.My primary concern was not given time to develop.Could our group have survived as individuals doing their own thing?Or would a more structured chain of command have been necessary for the survival of us all?

[lumpy]

Glad your sticking around sarge.

[Sarge47]

Sarge,

You digress...I never owned an ALICE pack because i did my military in a country where we do not use ALICE packs...i don't know why you assume i had never heard of them...i just did not know the specifics about them like the weight and the volume capacity...and when i don't know...i ask.

Me misspelling "flu" is outrageous!!! I should give my degrees back...Shame on me for that...

Your sociology question was silly...and i challenge you to look at what sociologists have written about this in the past 10 years...and not when you were in school in the 1800's...By the way, we now consider 5 essentials...and not 4.

If you are going to stay, and challenge my character...have the intellectual capabilities to address things that are a little bit more important than spelling...especially when talking to a foreigner.

Whatever..... I Really believe you....NOT! You yourself mentioned you have never heard of them back in the "72 hour" thread; you asked "What's an ALICE Pack". I responded I thought you should know and YOU said, it was after your time. My son is currently in college and assures me they still teach that in soc. 101. (Got caught again, huh?) And finally you misspelled a word SEVERAL times where a doctor with all the degrees you claim you have would not have. I have friends all over the world, btw, who have served in New Zealand, Germany, France, and even the Soviet Union. They all Know about military equipment. The final nail is that someone with all the degrees you claim you have would not be responding the way you are. They probably wouldn't even be here! Buzz off "Numpty"!

[carcajou garou]

volwest, est ce que tu est Francais?

[Sarge47]

volwest, est ce que tu est Francais?

I learned French in the 9th grade, doesn't prove anything, besides he can google the translation. Nice try though.

[lumpy]

Jesus is dead.

vw,you have handled yourself like a gentleman.THAT IS,until you made this remark.Was that really necessary?

[ryaninmichigan]

You are a paranoid freak. I am french (pauvre con)





Jesus is dead.

I really do not think Sarge is an idiot. It is people like you that give my people a bad name. I made the fact I would not join on my own post. Because if fact in real life I would be heading to a cabin that is all realy there. You mae way to many asumptions based on your books. My not wanting you as a leader stands. You think to much and know nothing about wilderness survival. Maybe you have some military back ground in the cowards army maybe not. All I know is you added nothing of value to this topic. Lastly I am glad Jesus is dead......


Really you need to take a step back and think about your tactics.

[Sarge47]

carcajou garou....
Oui je suis Français...je suis né a Vitry sur seine, en banlieue parisienne...et toi ?


Sarge,
You want to make this personal...no problem.
Yes i asked you what an ALICE pack is because...and i will say it one last time, i never used them, i never touched them, and my military experience does not involve american gear...from packs to weapons and terminology. In top of this, i don't know why i should know...i am no longer a military man, and i have never been one here in America...

I would not dare compete with a prof. of sociology 101 (lol) since obviously they are in their element...and sociology was never my field of work...having said that...i stand by my answers...but since you can only repeat what you have learned from someone else without thinking about it...you are not able to understand my answers.

Of course i misspell "Sarge", i misspell all the time, i even make huge grammatical errors...ask my wife...it is not because i have degrees in masturbation that i am a freaking genius...look at your president. And ? That's all you have on me ? I misspelled "flu", and i didn't know what an ALICE pack was...?

I do not count the sociology disagreement...since many would disagree with what you were taught at school...and school is not a reference anyway...look, they just added some planets to our solar system...can you understand that or are you still so ****ing dense that you can't see that my theories and concepts come from me...and not a ****ing book i am regurgitating in the hopes you will find me smart.

Come on Sarge...Your last sentence says it all...you are a limited duck that needs to make friends to feel better about himself. You stopped our scenario because you lost control...And your imagination is limited. Even RIM told me he would have never joined the group anyway.
You did the same thing with SM, being all dramatic because he actually had a different opinion than yours. You are a whiny old man that wants to feel appreciated and important.

I respond the way i see fit...i am not here as a shrink...i told you that before...i am not here to make friends and deal with emotional retards...i am here to talk about survival, and from where i sit...your idea of survival is a big bus full of ****.

In fact...i don't see anyone else whining about what i say...because they do not have the amazingly grand self importance you carry around.

I can google the translation ?
You are a paranoid freak. I am french (pauvre con)...I have military experience, and i have an education...lying about it would be ridiculous, and i think i proved to anyone else here that i am not even talking out of books...(i am still waiting for that list Trax... )

Now...you want me to talk to you like a friend, like a comrade with whom we can learn things together ? Stop fighting me and attacking my character to feel better about yourself...stop whining like a little boy that wants attention...and if you really want me to "buzz off", you can always (like you did before) contact the moderator and tell him about poor Sarge.

If i had never been in the military, people like FVR or WE would have mentioned that what i talk about when it comes down to military tactics is bull****.
Hell, you even made me your "leader".lolll

As for psychology, it is my field.
I thought that was pretty obvious...and you cannot learn what i have posted here over night, and you know it.

What i am not is a hunter, a primitive guy, i am not a sniper, a gatherer, a bus driver, a mechanic and so much more...and therefore i learn from those who are about those fields...and i shut my mouth.

Jesus is dead.

I'm sorry, had to quit laughing. Do I want a friend or comrade that can say all that to me? Call me all those Names? Why, so I can suffer lower self-esteem without guilt? One question, do you kiss your wife with that mouth? I didn't stop the scenario, dude, I simply asked if anyone besides me thought it was going in a different direction, then WHAM! "Pandemic", which, by the way, was YOUR call, remember? RiM didn't join because he never felt welcomed. As for your infantile name-calling, well, call me anything but late for supper. I've heard it from people with fouler mouths than you! I don't want you to leave, you're very entertaining!

[Sarge47]

Look...we can go on and on like this...obviously not interesting...

So i will go back from where i come from...and i will let you and your little ***** RIM talk about...nothing.

Challenging your minds with a different way to look at things was my first intention...but in no way you have the capacity to understand concepts that go a little farther than what you consider to be reality.

In the end, your reality and mine is so different that it is unnecessary to try and capture an ounce of understanding...since you shut down anything that proves to go against your opinions.

My journey on this forum ends here...you are so base and dense that i can't even come up with something that would make you understand that everything i write is about psychological survival...even what you call "name-calling".

But you never wondered why i would spend the time to do so, or even why i am here, and see pass your self.

Jesus is dead indeed, because he understood that survival as we know it is a fear based mechanism. All that gear, all those instincts, all those preparations...all of it is based on fear. Fear of the unknown. Fear of loosing this precious self you hold so dearly in your fragile arms. Fear of letting go of opinions about everything and anything...fear of really listening and talking with sincerity. Fear of not being loved and fear of not being important to others...fear of disappointing or fear of saying things we will regret...fear of being dumber than your neighbor or fear of not having enough to eat...fear of dying of cancer, even though for each cancer patient 10 individuals can pay their mortgages...Fear of being alone, and fear of being in a group, fear of lacking anything, even a silly E-tool...Fear of loosing a loved one and fear of the future...

We fear so much and we are so heavy...full of silly concepts and scenarios to make us dream a little that we would be so important if...
If is your life.
L-if-E

That is your reality...fear.
It motivates every moves you make. Every "hahahaha"...for laughter is the human way to deal with fear...to release a tension...no other animal laughs...did you ever think about that ? Of course not...your mind is filled with fear and anger for everything you cannot understand about you and others.

Have a good if.
and thank you...sincerely, for reminding me of what i was like.

Wow! Here's a guy who claims on his website to have been a Sergent in the French Marine Commandos and he has that thin of a skin that he lets this "old, senile, bitter, emotional retard" run him off? Was his presence on this forum all about me? I can't believe it!. FVR hit the nail on the head when he talked about needing a thick skin, especially in a survival situation! If you can't take it here...well...you get my drift. I'm truly sorry VW left as I'd hoped he'd do what he claimed to do, learn Wilderness Survival instead of lecturing us on his opinion of our phycosis. We are what we are, influences like our social & physical environment, the way we were raised, what we've experiencened in life, and so on. Should we feel shame over that? In any dialouge communication is of prime importance. Communication on differant levels geared to the understanding of said individual. Some here are not "Rhodes Scholars", but have graduated from the "School of Hard Knocks!" (good ole' F.U.) To properly communicate mutual respect is required, and, on one side or the other, may have to earned. Once loss it's often very difficult, or even impossible to regain. So long Vol, I for one will indeed miss you. (no satire intended.)