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    Quote Originally Posted by TrappinGal View Post
    how long does someone have to partake in any given activity to be an expert on that subject, in your opinion?
    Depends on the subject: A male human is never a expert on female humans.....

    After 61.6 years I am still not an expert, at anything accept being ME....

    I might know more about bears in camp, than 99.99999 percent of other people but that does not make me an expert, only more experienced in that small area. If I wanted to learn about trapping I would go to a experienced trapper to learn, not a search engine expert.

    Look at it this way: in the old day people read books to learn, and just because you read a book does not make you an expert, but for some reason people think they are experts if they can google up an answer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TrappinGal View Post
    BTW, i found this forum by Googling survival forums.
    OK, now I'm laughing...so did I!
    some fella confronted me the other day and asked "What's your problem?" So I told him, "I don't have a problem I am a problem"

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    I think that is the way alot of us found the site.
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    Default OK here's what I think

    Deep breath in...and....ok here we go. I hope I can get this right on one try.

    First, I'm as guilty of being a smartazz towards newbies (and sometimes oldbies)as anyone. Yeah, that's not news. But I really don't want to chase anyone away unless it's someone that the community thinks is a total jerk, but that's not the case here.

    A long time ago, a bunch of us had this discussion about people posting advice vs. posers. I will back up anything I have for advice with....I was told this vs. I've done this and it worked (or didn't). I'm not handing out stuff I've learned on the InterWeb. If I see a page that I think explains something better than I can, I'll post the link, people can check the page author's credentials out for themselves, I don't usually post links. I think most people are eventually going to catch on to what's the real deal as far as advice goes when they go out and try it. Maybe in our welcoming comments, I don't know, it seems unfair to keep giving Chris more work to do, but....if we let new people know why we want to know what area they're from or what kind of experience they have, the new people will share that information more willingly. No one wants your home phone number or your measurements or hair or eye color or whatever (trax is an aquarian who enjoys walks on the beach, cuddly puppies and meaningful conversations..yawn) We want information that will help us give good quality advice to the noobs. And yes, I believe everyone should start out maybe a little cautiously, use common sense and inevitably, eventually, get out there and get some dirt time in. Nothing beats the wilderness.
    some fella confronted me the other day and asked "What's your problem?" So I told him, "I don't have a problem I am a problem"

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    hopeak, thats my point. they come here in hopes of finding an expert , like you would if you were looking to trap.

    many of them may not know of anyone to get hands on help from and many people are to egotistical to help newbies if they did ask. im speaking of some well known trapping "experts" who think that all newbie trappers arent worthy of answering but yet, who do they think is the next generation of trappers?

    why not share the wealth of knowledge you have on a subject willingly?

    anyone can get answers from Google, wrong answers at times as well, thats why its important to help people from your firsthand knowledge. pass on what youve came to know through years of experience.

    if we follow your way of thinking on what makes an expert, no one ever is an expert on anything,imo, and that negates the whole argument of "go find an expert to teach you firsthand."imo.

    these forums are ,imo, a place to exchange ideas,give a helping hand so to speak, and to teach the new people interested in a certain field what you can to help make their experiences in that field more enjoyable and in the event of trapping,since it was mentioned, more profittable.
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    Cool Hey Trappin' Gal...

    I really enjoy helping anybody, Newby or otherwise, who sincerely wants help; but if they start paring down my answers when they've previously admitted they know next to nothing because it doesn't fit this fantasy they've created by feeding on a solo diet of watching Discovery or Googling for data, then I'm out of it! Now they're a "Numpty". I'll admit I've got some tough bark on me, but hey, what can anyone expect, I'm a Survivor, right? And if they think they are then they should be able to handle what they get on this forum. We're not always mean, except for TRAX when he's "off his meds". (Wild Turkey) But I expect a certain amount of respect when asked for advice & hate being played. BTW, I always knew you were sincerely interested in learning, that's why you get along so good here...that & your jokes of course.
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    Default Why Sarge47!

    How dare you suggest that my "med" is simply Wild Turkey. Perhaps I wasn't clear when I thought I'd made it quite well known that any alcohol of 40%/volume will suffice, along with a certain strain of mushroom.....yeah, hey why is my keyboard flashing purple and orange? oh never mind.
    some fella confronted me the other day and asked "What's your problem?" So I told him, "I don't have a problem I am a problem"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge47 View Post
    I really enjoy helping anybody, Newby or otherwise, who sincerely wants help; but if they start paring down my answers when they've previously admitted they know next to nothing because it doesn't fit this fantasy they've created by feeding on a solo diet of watching Discovery or Googling for data, then I'm out of it! Now they're a "Numpty". I'll admit I've got some tough bark on me, but hey, what can anyone expect, I'm a Survivor, right? And if they think they are then they should be able to handle what they get on this forum. We're not always mean, except for TRAX when he's "off his meds". (Wild Turkey) But I expect a certain amount of respect when asked for advice & hate being played. BTW, I always knew you were sincerely interested in learning, that's why you get along so good here...that & your jokes of course.
    lol. it helps i have a warped sense of humor.

    and i do understand not liking to get played,in whatever arena.
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    this is what makes it all worth it folks tryin to work together .its like this yall /SIMPLE .LIKE A FOOTBALL TEAM i can play alot of positions but im better at def end ,takle .not a pro but fairly good .others are better at other positions an not as good at my position.but we all work together an we are undefeeded. dum but simple.if we all looked at life simuler to this .THERE would not be any one tryin to force a opion or beleaf on any one live an let live.mean while we can start here.cornie as all get out i know but true recon??????
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    Just so we are straight here,you do realize that this forum is an international forum?? We have ALOT of Canadian members,as well as members from other countries?
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    Canada is a seperate country?
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    wrong choice of words but sorta missed the point if thats all that you got out of it sorry .live an let live
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrappinGal View Post
    Canada is a seperate country?
    True TrappinGal,eh?
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    shetrax, I like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopeak View Post
    shetrax, I like that.
    Thanks hopeak.
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    I grew up in a hollow in Eastern KY and what little I know I learned from older people and back then I could hit the hills with a friend, the only kid close to my age and stay until after dark. We made our own fun. Game we trapped was taken home and eaten. I learned to hunt with a single shot 20ga and didn't matter if we drove to another county the limit was 6. Daddy gave me 6 shells and when they were gone I went back to the truck to wait. Hoed corn on the riverbank and learned to swim and run a trot line, all that country hillbilly stuff down to using hickory bark for chair bottoms and making stuff. I had a great childhood, didn't know we were suppose to be dumb and inbred until I left home at 18. Some things I DO take seriously in my older years, God, family & country ain't in fashion again just like in the 60s. I did my share of a little of everything until I straightened up about 15yrs ago. I did learn a lot of different things and places and would like to kinda pass it on, but I learn something new from you guys every day and doing my best not to get too hot under the collar but I will give my opinion even if it ain't wanted sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrappinGal View Post
    Canada is a seperate country?
    amazing! - none of ya'll look Canadian.

    As far as "real " advice vs. "web" advice:
    Expertise is nearly impossible to quantify. What is not so difficult is "Done it" vs. "Not Done it."

    I've seen a lot of similar stuff on other forums. Here's a snip from an article by one of the most respected trombone players in the country - I think it is especially pertinent:

    Quote Originally Posted by yeodoug.com
    There was a time - not so long ago - when those with knowledge were respected for having gained that knowledge and their sharing their knowledge was a gift that was gratefully received by those with less knowledge. This has been the case with teachers and students throughout time and each of us functions in both roles - teacher and student - for most of our lives. Everyone knows more about something than someone else. But each of us always has more to learn.

    Self-evident? One would think. But unfortunately it is not so.

    Membership in web-based fora and email list-serve groups is easy to attain. While forum and list-serve administrators usually require that people register using their real name, this is by no means the universal rule. Many people sign up using a pseudonym. People are identified by a "screen name" which gives no clue as to one's name, age, location, or academic standing. As such, fora and list-serves can equalize the wise man and the fool - with no way to know anything about a person who posts a message.

    This aspect of the Internet - the equalization of the wise man and fool - is a fundamental reason why so few professional trombone players have any interest in posting messages to fora and list-serves. They know that once they put themselves online, they run the risk of being called out by a 14 year old.

    When you're 14 years old, you have a lot of questions. But not a lot of answers. Not yet. Having answers comes with experience. There was a time when inexperienced people listened, waited their turn, and learned a few things before thinking they were experts. The Internet shattered that. Cloaking behind the veil of anonymity, anyone - learned or uneducated, expert or novice, genius or idiot, wise man or fool, serious student or troublemaker - can post a message. If a learned person makes a point, anyone in the group can take them on, tell them they're stupid, that they don't know what they're talking about, that they know better. How many times have I cringed when I've watched some young, inexperienced player on a forum lay into the sound or technique of an accomplished, well-respected player? Many times. It's too easy to hit the "send" button. Instead of thinking about the consequences of posting a rumor, a vile opinion or an ill-considered thought, the words speed out over the bandwidth. And the professional player, who has spent years building his reputation only to see his playing picked apart publicly by people who really don't know much about what they're talking about says, "I don't need this." And they disappear. Or they don't come to start with. You do have to put up with "stuff" to be a professional on fora and list-serves today, having to watch yourself, your peers and colleagues being called out regularly by people who have no idea what they are talking about.
    Full article here:
    http://www.yeodoug.com/articles/text/what_happened.html

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    Nice article, Dennis. I think the one thing that offsets the situation described in the article is other experienced folks responding to the post. It's happened here a bit. Someone new takes on a respected member and several others take the new comer. Set them straight, so to speak. Shame on us if we don't stand up and say something when bad advice is offered or a member is wrongfully attacked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrappinGal View Post
    Canada is a seperate country?
    I don't want to have to explain this again...the US is our 11th province.
    some fella confronted me the other day and asked "What's your problem?" So I told him, "I don't have a problem I am a problem"

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    Canadians are SOOO egotistical, kinda like Alaskans














    before anyone gets fiesty....i was being facetious
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