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    Private wealth isn't going to be seized. It might be taxed but then they will simply shelter those funds necessary to bring their wealth down below that threshold. I find it almost funny...almost...that folks always want to tax some else but never themselves. Seize someone's property but never theirs. Here are a couple of facts for you (you in the plural).

    Castro's net wealth at the time of his death: $800 million
    Chavez's daugther's net weath: $2.6 billion
    It's hard to calculate Stalin's net worth but it is thought is was about $7.5 trillion in today's dollars.
    Karl Marx lived on his friend Freidrich Engels until Marx secured his one and only job as a reporter for an English paper. He didn't speak English so he had Engels ghost write for him until he learned English.

    You gotta love those socialists.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Private wealth isn't going to be seized. It might be taxed but then they will simply shelter those funds necessary to bring their wealth down below that threshold. I find it almost funny...almost...that folks always want to tax some else but never themselves. Seize someone's property but never theirs. Here are a couple of facts for you (you in the plural).

    Castro's net wealth at the time of his death: $800 million
    Chavez's daugther's net weath: $2.6 billion
    It's hard to calculate Stalin's net worth but it is thought is was about $7.5 trillion in today's dollars.
    Karl Marx lived on his friend Freidrich Engels until Marx secured his one and only job as a reporter for an English paper. He didn't speak English so he had Engels ghost write for him until he learned English.

    You gotta love those socialists.
    It seems like I read somewhere that if we seized 100% of assets from all our country’s billionaires it would fund the country for like 2 months or something minuscule like that.
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    The country earns a little less than 4 trillion a year.

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    Cliff, I'm sure a billionaire wrote that. It wasn't the point though. What I said is that we're so focused on this virus when hunger kills a lot more people and we can do something about that. I'm talking about priorities.

    This virus is not a danger to most of the people on this forum. If we want to do something about the virus, we could always identify people at risk and go grocery shopping for them so they don't have to expose themselves any more than necessary.
    True enough, my final home is still out there, but this is most certainly my home range and I love it. I love every rock I fall off and tree I trip over. Even when I am close to dying from exhaustion, a beautiful sunset doesn't lose it's power to refresh and inspire me and that, in itself, is enough to save me sometimes.

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    Cliff, I'm sure a billionaire wrote that. It wasn't the point though. What I said is that we're so focused on this virus when hunger kills a lot more people and we can do something about that. I'm talking about priorities.

    This virus is not a danger to most of the people on this forum. If we want to do something about the virus, we could always identify people at risk and go grocery shopping for them so they don't have to expose themselves any more than necessary.
    Not a danger is a gross overstatement.


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    Hey, Never fear! Jim Baker (remember him?) invented a "Silver Solution" that kills Corona Virus!!!! We're all saved, now drink the Koolaide..... (That was Jim Jones).


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    I had a couple of buddies that spotted a possum in the middle of the road one night. It was blinded by the truck's headlights and they decided it would be a great idea to pick up that possum by the tail. So they snuck down the edge of the road and one of them grabbed it by the tail. Ain't nothin' dangerous until it is. You never want a buddy to fling a possum at you. Even if he is trying to get rid of it. This virus might be a possum and we don't know it yet.

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    I guess the other thing that sort of skews the numbers are those folks that do get sick but never call their doctor or go to the hospital. They just stay home and get better. Just like anyone else with the "flu". We'll never know how many of those there are but that definitely raises the base and lowers the mortality rate. All we are seeing right now are those numbers that are reported. Not dismissing anything just trying to put it in perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    I guess the other thing that sort of skews the numbers are those folks that do get sick but never call their doctor or go to the hospital. They just stay home and get better. Just like anyone else with the "flu". We'll never know how many of those there are but that definitely raises the base and lowers the mortality rate. All we are seeing right now are those numbers that are reported. Not dismissing anything just trying to put it in perspective.
    Isn’t that what the gov. is saying to do? To self quarantine and not spread the virus. Makes sense to not take it to the hospital and compromise those who are vulnerable or those that provide care. Get your supplies and stay home.

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    It is kind of screwing up politics

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    Rick, you're right, and things like that add to the lack of urgency in websites like the John Hopkins one. You're also right about the possum...I woulda been short a "friend"

    But what you said is true of all viruses, including the flu. One of the characteristics of viruses, some more than others, is that they mutate. They can mutate into a stronger or weaker form. Evolution would favor a moderate form that spreads (reproduces) better but doesn't kill all the hosts.

    But, as I've said before, the key to surviving anything but an extinction level event is to maintain general body health. The human body is equipped to deal with most assaults from the outside if it's in good working order.

    And, no, Cliff, I don't believe I'm overstating the case at all. I noticed that you're in a health profession. I am retired after 20 years in a health profession and before that I survived 10 years of one of the most dangerous professions there is...college student, and another 10 years working through college. Not only am I well versed in human physiology, pharmacy, viruses and such, but I'm also well versed in my major of social psychology, plus the politics of medical industries, cognitive biases, and mass manipulation.

    I've recommended a level head and non-isolationism. You've been all scarey and stuff but I haven't seen much about how too approach this thing. What are your suggestions, there?
    True enough, my final home is still out there, but this is most certainly my home range and I love it. I love every rock I fall off and tree I trip over. Even when I am close to dying from exhaustion, a beautiful sunset doesn't lose it's power to refresh and inspire me and that, in itself, is enough to save me sometimes.

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    But the more you worry, the more likely you'll catch it. It isn't curable, being a virus, but antibiotics and a vax are being researched.

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    Rebel, you are so right. Government definitely wants you to stay inside. Especially stay away from those crowded polls where you might vote against the partys' favorites in the primaries. Wow! If, say, Sanders beat Biden in the popular vote, they'd have to figure out some kind of complication to turn the election.

    Ya'llvwant to survive? Keep the whole picture in view.
    True enough, my final home is still out there, but this is most certainly my home range and I love it. I love every rock I fall off and tree I trip over. Even when I am close to dying from exhaustion, a beautiful sunset doesn't lose it's power to refresh and inspire me and that, in itself, is enough to save me sometimes.

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    Antibiotics don't work on viruses. Anti-viruls do but not antibiotics.

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    Stay home with your supplies or a stay at the econo-lodge with no supplies.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/ne...antine-village

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    Absolutely, Rick. And the best antiviral (and an effective one) is the body's own defenses.

    Rebel, those are not the only options. For me, the better option is for neighbors to help each other out. It may well be airborne so, if you stay at home with your supplies, you may catch it anyway, and your inactivity will make it more probable. If you don't catch it, join others in fighting it.

    Your best defense is /public/ health.
    True enough, my final home is still out there, but this is most certainly my home range and I love it. I love every rock I fall off and tree I trip over. Even when I am close to dying from exhaustion, a beautiful sunset doesn't lose it's power to refresh and inspire me and that, in itself, is enough to save me sometimes.

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    By the way, by all means read what the Mayo clinic has to say. Especially their recommendations.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/faq-20478727
    True enough, my final home is still out there, but this is most certainly my home range and I love it. I love every rock I fall off and tree I trip over. Even when I am close to dying from exhaustion, a beautiful sunset doesn't lose it's power to refresh and inspire me and that, in itself, is enough to save me sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WolfVanZandt View Post
    Absolutely, Rick. And the best antiviral (and an effective one) is the body's own defenses.

    Rebel, those are not the only options. For me, the better option is for neighbors to help each other out. It may well be airborne so, if you stay at home with your supplies, you may catch it anyway, and your inactivity will make it more probable. If you don't catch it, join others in fighting it.

    Your best defense is /public/ health.
    Lol. I didn’t say be an isolationist. I’ve got elder care and the unprepared family and neighbors. Sayin’ get ready as best you can.

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    What I'm saying and also what the Mayo clinic and John Hopkins is saying is prepare for the corona virus just like you would prepare for a cold. All this running around buying up Clorox is anti-survival, anti-prepping. What you need is what you should already have. You have what you need in case you catch a cold, don't you? That's what you need to prep for the corona virus.

    And what I'm also saying is that what marketers, politicians, and big name business people want is for you to lose your marbles.
    True enough, my final home is still out there, but this is most certainly my home range and I love it. I love every rock I fall off and tree I trip over. Even when I am close to dying from exhaustion, a beautiful sunset doesn't lose it's power to refresh and inspire me and that, in itself, is enough to save me sometimes.

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    This is why the stores were out of bleach:
    https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...d-coronavirus/
    Anyone stupid enough to drink bleach doesn't need the corona virus. They're doing alright at dyin' all by themselves.

    Cliff, were you sent here to try to rile things up? No one seems to be biting.
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