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    Default Long Range Shooter

    I've always had an interest in long range shooting. I decided to give it a go. The rifle is a Ruger Precision Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor. The Scope is a Vortex Viper PST Gen II 6-25X50. The journey begins.

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    Very cool! I've been mulling over picking up the same rifle but with a different scope.

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    Dang! Me want.

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    Nothing like gun porn in the morning. Very nice.

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    Subjective term "long range". It used to mean over 200M, now I don't know what it is.

    I am about the same state for "accuracy". It once was one thing and now is another!

    The long shot at the local club is 350M. I generally know what my stuff will do out to that point because that is what I have access to. Most of my "long range" shooting is reduced size targets to simulate "long range" so the drop tables do not really come into use like they do at actual ranges where the drop is measured in double digit feet.

    Other "long range" shots in my area would require me to cross 9 peoples property to check the target.

    Unless I am shooting down the median on I-75 I will never get a "long range" shot with anything. Florida and out west are different and I often wish I had access to the western desert or the flat wasteland of Florida.

    The closest "long range" facility is a good 4 hour drive from me and costs a fortune to use.

    Besides, out past 500M would add a whole new dimension to the memorization of drop tables and Counting all those "clicks" would put a lot of stress on the fading memory.
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    Looks like you jumped in with both feet. It's a lot of fun unless the wind is blowing, then it's more fun.

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    Yeah. I looked and looked around here and 100 yards is the longest any range offers. Like Kyrat, if you want to shoot 350m around here folks have to open doors and run the pets out of their houses so nothing gets hit when the rounds fly through their living room.

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    I do find these "platforms" rather charming, like a VW Thing from the 1970s.

    Industrial art in a way.

    You know that underneath they are a base level rifle with $1000 in add-ons, but the outside is so steampunk you just don't care.
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    I fired one of those last summer that a friend had. It was supper accurate. I put 5 rounds inside a 1/2" square at 100 yards. Got me interested in precision shooting. I found a Ruger Precision rifle in 22LR at a gun shop. I think it was only $450 but the 22LR won't shoot like the 6.5.

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    Congratulations Dave, that is a fine looking rifle. I know of a 500 yard range that would be fun to shoot that rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowYak View Post
    Congratulations Dave, that is a fine looking rifle. I know of a 500 yard range that would be fun to shoot that rifle.
    I will definitely bring it to our next trip to Jay's place.
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    For quite some time, I've had the desire to learn the skill. The longest rifle range at the range where I am a member is 200 yards, but they are building a new range not too far from here that will run out to 1000 yards. Really looking forward to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jim Glass View Post
    I fired one of those last summer that a friend had. It was supper accurate. I put 5 rounds inside a 1/2" square at 100 yards. Got me interested in precision shooting. I found a Ruger Precision rifle in 22LR at a gun shop. I think it was only $450 but the 22LR won't shoot like the 6.5.
    This is where that thing about "long range" being a subjective term enters the discussion.

    A precision made rifle shooting high quality ammo in .22lr can be just as accurate as a 6.5, out to 100 yards.

    We have guys at my club that shoot ping-pong balls at 200 yards with .22lr.

    There is also the occasional rifle that comes out of the box shooting little bitty groups, even using factory ammo.

    And one thing is certain, it will be the quality, selection building and tuning of the ammo that determines just how well someone shoots one of the big bore long range rifles.

    I have one rifle that will not shoot better than 4"@100 with Federal 150grain .308. With the proper handloads it will shoot into 3/8"@100.

    The real problem with extreme long range work is that matching all the components to the climate, rifle and range becomes a mathematical equation in itself. You can work up a load that shoots great at 100 yards, then find that out past 800 yards it goes squirrely.

    The 6.5 has gained such a following due to its design keeping the speed of a heavy weight bullet above the speed of sound all the way to 1000 yards, avoiding the turbulence of the speed of sound deceleration. A .308 bullet with the same ballistic coefficient is too heavy to match those speeds. You have to jump up to .300win-mag/.338lup to achieve that performance consistently again.

    It might sound strange but when shooting an air gun you must take the same problem into consideration, only at 25 yards!

    Same for the .22lr! That is why .22 "target ammo" starts out at 1000fps. It avoids the transition speed problem entirely. That is one reason many find the CCI standard velocity ammo very accurate in about anything they own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyratshooter View Post
    This is where that thing about "long range" being a subjective term enters the discussion.

    A precision made rifle shooting high quality ammo in .22lr can be just as accurate as a 6.5, out to 100 yards.

    We have guys at my club that shoot ping-pong balls at 200 yards with .22lr.
    Maybe there is hope for tight wads like me.

    Great post Ratshooter. By the way I killed my first possum last night with my pellet rifle.

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    Very cool Crash.

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    Spent the day at the range. Tried quite a few different ammunition types/manufacturers. Found a few that I/the rifle liked. Next is to have a friend take me to school on reloading. this was six rounds at 200 yards (max range where I shoot). Looking forward to longer ranges when I can.

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    Do you have reloading gear Crash?
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    I do not. It has been on my list of things to learn for quite some time. Since this was rather fun to shoot, I think it is time to dip my toe into the reloading waters.
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    hmmm. Long distance shooting... I can't see well enough to clip my toenails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crashdive123 View Post
    I do not. It has been on my list of things to learn for quite some time. Since this was rather fun to shoot, I think it is time to dip my toe into the reloading waters.
    Reloading general shooting fodder and reloading long range stuff is two different endeavors.

    Out to 800 yards its all about the same. Clean your cases, deprime, reprime, weigh every charge to precisely the same, find a bullet that your rifle likes, find the powder your rifle likes. Easy enough to stay inside MOA.

    Past 800 yards you get into the "precision reloading" game with all of its expenses. Sonic cleaning, inside neck reaming, trimming cases every shot, sizing only the first few hundredths inch of the case mouth, precision seating dies and bullets that are made by elves, spin balanced like a race car tires, and cost $3 each.

    Then you take all weekend to load up a batch, get to the range and find out Winchester black box does just as good!

    Or even worse, some guy out shoots you and tells you he is shooting pulled military hard ball and reloading it with a Dillon automatic hooked to a lawn mower engine!
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