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    Default hand drill: Start to ember

    Finally have it all on video
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    Outstanding. I admire any of you guys that have the shoulder strength to do the bow or hand drill. Too many surgeries for me to handle either. Nice job!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Outstanding. I admire any of you guys that have the shoulder strength to do the bow or hand drill. Too many surgeries for me to handle either. Nice job!!!!
    Thank you Rick, yeah it is indeed a hectic workout!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Outstanding. I admire any of you guys that have the shoulder strength to do the bow or hand drill. Too many surgeries for me to handle either. Nice job!!!!
    And I am admire the "getting up and down skills"....LOL
    Nice job thanks for posting.....
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    Hahahah thanks man
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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter63 View Post
    And I am admire the "getting up and down skills"....LOL
    Nice job thanks for posting.....
    Ditto.

    Getting up and down is the worst part of any job I'm doing. It makes me the most sore, too. Working on a vehicle is what usually has the most of that, so that makes it even worse.
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    Yeah I guess getting up and down can get problematic..
    I try to do a lot of exercising to keep pretty mobile... and I am still pretty Young (37)
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    37? Some of us have socks older than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashdive123 View Post
    37? Some of us have socks older than that.
    hahahah
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashdive123 View Post
    37? Some of us have socks older than that.
    I have ammo I reloaded that is older than that.....and get asked something if it's still good from time to time
    I just tell them...Donno, I best get some "fresh stuff"?
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    Just curious if anyone has tried it successfully with one of those hand operated drills? I don't know if it would save any weight, just another tid bit for the tool bag I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billofthenorth View Post
    Just curious if anyone has tried it successfully with one of those hand operated drills? I don't know if it would save any weight, just another tid bit for the tool bag I guess.
    I have a couple of those "egg-beaters": a 1/4" and a 3/8". I call them my "cordless drills".

    I like the 1/4" (it's a Schroder that I ordered from Amazon). It's small and pretty handy. I don't know about the 3/8". I got it for almost nothing at a yard sale, and it is definitely not as nice as the Schroder, but construction and quality are not the problems. I've only tried using it on pine, and with the larger drill bits it can be a pain to work. You don't really have much leverage with them, and the bits hang up in the hard grain of pine. It might be okay in woods that have a more homogeneous grain.

    For larger holes, the old brace and auger bits are way better. For small holes, the egg-beater is okay.
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    Not sure they would work well as a "fire drill".....I thinking that the back and forth motion is important

    Did try it with a 3/8 battery drill.....maybe to fast, but just glazed the wood....so no joy..
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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter63 View Post
    Not sure they would work well as a "fire drill".....I thinking that the back and forth motion is important

    Did try it with a 3/8 battery drill.....maybe to fast, but just glazed the wood....so no joy..
    I answered it as a a hi-jack with a straight face.

    I am really a wanna-be on this forum, but I still get surprised when people who sound like they have a lot more experience than I talk about including friction fire-starting stuff in their BOBs. The skill is great, I'm sure, as a last-ditch kid of thing, but a Bic (hell, even a Scripto) beats a bow-drill like a Smith&Wesson beats 4 aces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnLeePettimore View Post
    I answered it as a a hi-jack with a straight face.

    I am really a wanna-be on this forum, but I still get surprised when people who sound like they have a lot more experience than I talk about including friction fire-starting stuff in their BOBs. The skill is great, I'm sure, as a last-ditch kid of thing, but a Bic (hell, even a Scripto) beats a bow-drill like a Smith&Wesson beats 4 aces.
    Yeah...just goes to show you that a lot of people have tried a lot of things....over the years....and that many of us think the same way.

    Never had any luck with a bow drill.....or hand drill for that matter....so as funny as it sounds the possibility of a power version seem logical.....More speed?...Right?....Nope.

    So the next step is to wonder why?....Wrong type of wood?...for the drill (dowel) ...fireboard, dried poplar .......?
    Too fast? too slow......That's what my slightly different thought process came up with ....as I was thinking about it while lighting up a cigarette with my Bic.

    Next thought was, ....Why am I doing this to myself?....As I was trying to get up off the ground
    I do admire those that have researched materials, found the proper technique, practiced and were successful....AND when through the work of making a video to share their success with us.

    So a mechanical drill would seem a logical ..."I wonder what would happen if.".... alternate method...LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnLeePettimore View Post
    I answered it as a a hi-jack with a straight face.

    I am really a wanna-be on this forum, but I still get surprised when people who sound like they have a lot more experience than I talk about including friction fire-starting stuff in their BOBs. The skill is great, I'm sure, as a last-ditch kid of thing, but a Bic (hell, even a Scripto) beats a bow-drill like a Smith&Wesson beats 4 aces.
    You right friction fire is a last ditch thing, If I am carrying kit (and mostly always am) I am not going to carry extra paraphernalia to help with a friction fire, as I will likely have a ferro-rod, a lighter and some matches..
    The point knowing friction fire is only if you so unlucky to loose your fire kit or main kit, or get stranded with out kit.

    I have never tried those hand crank drills for a friction fire, and I dont really see the point to try, as I must practice it how I would do it in an actual situation
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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter63 View Post
    Yeah...just goes to show you that a lot of people have tried a lot of things....over the years....and that many of us think the same way.

    Never had any luck with a bow drill.....or hand drill for that matter....so as funny as it sounds the possibility of a power version seem logical.....More speed?...Right?....Nope.

    So the next step is to wonder why?....Wrong type of wood?...for the drill (dowel) ...fireboard, dried poplar .......?
    Too fast? too slow......That's what my slightly different thought process came up with ....as I was thinking about it while lighting up a cigarette with my Bic.

    Next thought was, ....Why am I doing this to myself?....As I was trying to get up off the ground
    I do admire those that have researched materials, found the proper technique, practiced and were successful....AND when through the work of making a video to share their success with us.

    So a mechanical drill would seem a logical ..."I wonder what would happen if.".... alternate method...LOL
    To paraphrase a famous man..." I didn't fail...I discovered another way that didn't work"
    Friction fire is not particularly easy, I dont know many people that got it right 1st time, and if they did, it is because they used a known working set, and where well coached in form and technique, and then where still pretty lucky.
    Wood selection is certainly a factor, knowing the properties of the woods, them being dry enough... then the making of the set is a point over looked.. some care need to be taken with the size and length of spindle, the hearth board and the bow..
    The amount of pressure you place on the bearing block, the tension in the bow string, the notch in the hearth fire board..
    the right technique, and a damn lot of practice.. each one took me about 4 weeks worth of practice before I actually managed to get the 1st respective embers..
    Is this a technique I would depend my life on? hell no..
    If I had to do it could I? possibly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billofthenorth View Post
    Just curious if anyone has tried it successfully with one of those hand operated drills? I don't know if it would save any weight, just another tid bit for the tool bag I guess.
    the answer to your question is a pump drill..
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    and lastly but most importantly, why is it that I do such strange techniques ? where there are about a million easier methods?
    Simple, I have to! I have been training well over 3 years, slowly becoming an elite survival Ranger and I am to start teaching courses so there are a lot of methods I should know and how to do them, as well as demonstrate and teach them.
    One of our requirements is to be able to do friction fire, among many other requirements and actual dirt time, with specific Gear or lack of gear requirement to survive in many different biomes and weather to show proficiency in what We actually learnt, and then once all those requirements have been met we still hand picked to get to the level I am at, and further training and hours teaching various courses supervised by a head instructor, then after that we eventually become an Instructor..and you still need to log hours and days on various other courses by just attending them/helping/instructing... Thats basically the way We work through the "school"
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