Well my Neighbor is a prepper.....

[Wise Old Owl]

I kind of thought we were beyond duck and cover... Great for tornado's and I have been thru a few. (lived in Chicago for 4 years) Now its more about preservation of family when things go wrong.

[M118LR]

I guess a few others consider it irrelevant if who knows where your bunker is, if you can't make it there in time Wise Old Owl. JMHO.

[Wise Old Owl]

My basement is my bunker. It has a flush toilet, 6 months of food, way too much rice & pasta and wood stove that cooks. I keep a large quantity of Cast Iron pots, tents, camping gear and bug out gear. Gallons of white gas, and other things to cook with....

[M118LR]

SHHH! Your not supposed to tell me!
I forgot, basements are called indoor swimming pools here in Florida.
Glad you are prepared Wise Old Owl, hope it never comes to needing it. Godspeed.

[Rick]

Woo - Do you think if the national unemployment rate were a lie that all of the watchdog groups that are out there would not be calling foul? I'm not sure why you think the press has anything to do with that. The government reports the numbers. It's pretty straight forward. There's really nothing to slant.

[Wise Old Owl]

I have met people that are 18-30 years old that are not working, but could work, and not looking after two years. The press decides what to report or not to report. The press is covering for the current president's legacy.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
*Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the government uses the number of people collecting unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under state or federal government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed.

Other people think that the government counts every unemployed person each month. To do this, every home in the country would have to be contacted—just as in the population census every 10 years. This procedure would cost way too much and take far too long to produce the data. In addition, people would soon grow tired of having a census taker contact them every month, year after year, to ask about job-related activities.

[madmax]

I sift through the news most days reading the same story from different sources to try and effectively read between the lines.

I don't believe anything any of them say exclusively on any given day.

[Rick]

I haven't a clue what point you are trying to make. The press relays what the government reports. If you go further down that same document you will see how the survey is performed. If folks don't want to work that's on them.

[kyratshooter]

It is all a numbers game with different people counting different groups as "unemployed".

There are several media personalities that claim 97,000,000 have left the work force and not returned since 2008. That is nearly 1/3 of our population, man, woman and child and adds up to nearly the entire work force! The numbers just do not work! If you discount the people under 18 and those over 65 it does not leave but about 97,000,000 as the total of adults working.

They are including students returning to school after summer work, people leaving the work arena to care for families, everyone of working age that has died, and also the new definition of "retired" which apparently means dying at the office on your 80th birthday so you don't have to go back tomorrow. They are all being counted as "unemployed".

I had a real shock after I retired and found that the bean counters in various offices wanted to list me as unemployed rather than retired! It seems the new trend is that people do not expect to retire and view those that do with some degree of contempt.

[hunter63]

Note here:....retired is OK for loan and other applications......unemployed not so much.

I guess I'm missing the point of all of this as well.
Unless you are counting being a prepper for unemployment as a bunker of sorts?

[Rick]

Or putting that tube in to store all the government benefits you can draw. Hmm. Gonna need a bigger tube.

[Wise Old Owl]

I haven't a clue what point you are trying to make. The press relays what the government reports. If you go further down that same document you will see how the survey is performed. If folks don't want to work that's on them.

Ok Rick CLICK HERE Well I often think I am clear and later find out I wasn't, that's on me. My point is that socialism was the new progressive and nobody can find a full time job after 8 years. The press doesn't relay anything other than feel good values and doesn't report real news anymore. Hense Bernie won the debate and later we found out the folks in charge paid him off to go away and gave it to the current person. Right now there are hard times for a majority of Americans, I can share with you that most are unaware of this. I don't want to loose my place here, so after this I will attempt to hold this back...

Come Monday I am launching a solution so I do not have put my family on the dole. A little more to follow.

[Rick]

That is nothing more than spotlighting. Breitbart chose to spotlight the negative. That's hardly a "feel good value". They could just have easily spotlighted the 156K jobs that were created like Bloomberg.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...o-back-to-work

It just depends on which they chose to sensationalize. Which they feel will sell more add copy. In 2010 the unemployment rate sat at 10%. Today it is 5%. But remember that the rise to 5% is only a .1% rise over the previous month of 4.9%. So, all in all, pretty stable. But much better than 2010.

There has never been a time when news agencies did not try to influence the people. Do you think the newspapers that Gannet, Hearst or Bennet owned were news neutral? They did anything and everything to sell papers including promoting those things they personally held dearest and avoiding those things they personally detested. That's just human nature and a little thing called power.

[Wise Old Owl]

Laurence Summers ran Obama’s National Economics Council in 2009 and 2010. He was Treasury Secretary for President Bill Clinton, president of Harvard University from 2001 to 2006, and teaches there now.

In his Sept. 26 article in The Financial Times, Summers wrote;

"Job destruction caused by technology is not a futuristic concern … everything we hear and see regarding technology suggests the rate of job destruction will pick up. Think of the elimination of drivers, and of those who work behind cash registers. Second, the gains in average education and health of the workforce over the last 50 years are unlikely to be repeated. Third, to the extent that non-work is contagious, it is likely to grow exponentially rather than at a linear rate. Fourth, declining marriage rates are likely to raise rates of labour force withdrawal given that non-work is much more common for unmarried than married men.

What will this mean for the American family? … For alienation and support for toxic populism? These are vital questions. Even more vital is the question of what is to be done. These questions should preoccupy social science researchers."

Again the Jobs report fails to report the destruction by Democratic legislation the loss of full time jobs and the rise of part time jobs, the report fails to report those that are unable to find work after 6 months. The report fails to mention the millions of people that are on Workman's Comp. The report fails to report those that give up looking for work. For those that could work 18-65 that are not working is now close to 95 million, out of a population of 308,745,538 million in the USA. That is not even close to 5% That is more than 1/3 of the population not earning a dime and not paying taxes. That is more people on the dole.

We are now into 52 years of LJB's war on poverty and instead of 19% back then, the USA has grown poverty, at what point do start to see more anarchy? For the first time in my lifetime, I am now seeing young men choose not to work, to stay home and collect EBT. We are now subsidizing the very people that were to pay into our S.S.I. The system is broken my friends.

Here is another thought... This is never reported. Philadelphia now has over 150 gangs fighting for control of the drugs in tri-state area... over the last ten years of watching the local news they do not - I repeat do not report on drive by shootings or gang related murders in the city. These murders are now occurring outside the city at an alarming rate. There isn't a spotlight on that, Not even a LED flashlight.

So again I ask you as a group that are "prepping" for survival - "What's your plan when shft hits the fan?"

[Rick]

You need to go back and read your own link. The jobless rate includes ALL of those people. Once you learn how the rate is acquired you will understand that your numbers are not correct. Do you think there is some massive conspiracy to hide the fact that 1/3 of the work force is out of work? That every watchdog group, politician and media mogul is in on the scam? By your calculations, everyone was out of work at the height of the recession.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm


Census Bureau employees contact the 60,000 eligible sample households and ask about the labor force activities (jobholding and job seeking) or non-labor force status of the members of these households during the survey reference week (usually the week that includes the 12th of the month). These are live interviews conducted either in person or over the phone. During the first interview of a household, the Census Bureau interviewer prepares a roster of the household members, including key personal characteristics such as age, sex, race, Hispanic ethnicity, marital status, educational attainment, veteran status, and so on. The information is collected using a computerized questionnaire.
Each person is classified according to their activities during the reference week. Then, the survey responses are "weighted," or adjusted to independent population estimates from the Census Bureau. The weighting takes into account the age, sex, race, Hispanic ethnicity, and state of residence of the person, so that these characteristics are reflected in the proper proportions in the final estimates.
A sample is not a total count, and the survey may not produce the same results that would be obtained from interviewing the entire population. But the chances are 90 out of 100 that the monthly estimate of unemployment from the sample is within about 300,000 of the figure obtainable from a total census. Relative to total unemployment—which ranged between about 7 and 15 million over the past decade—the possible error resulting from sampling is not large enough to distort the total unemployment picture.

Whether they are employed in full or part time work, those unable to find work after 6 months, those on workman's comp (which is a work related injury) and those given up looking for work are all included in the surveys.

Maybe no one reports on drive by shooting where you live but they sure do here. Or, maybe you are watching the wrong channel.

https://www.google.com/search?q=driv...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Gangs are nothing new. They've been a part of this country since it's founding. Those that were part of gangs in their native countries brought the concept along with them when they immigrated and they are still doing it.

https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/c...reet-gangs.pdf

[cylon]

Wow! That's a big *** shelter.....

In live in remote Western Australia ans must confess to having thought about a bush fire shelter, but the hassle and drama involved in installing one just makes me switch off. Think i'll just stick for running away quickly...

[Wise Old Owl]

Hi Rick I just checked back and found that last post. I don't understand why it is hard to fathom that 95 million people are not working that are 18-60+ that could work. I have multiple sources both inside and outside the country. Furthermore there was prediction that corporations would not hire full time employees when the unavoidable care act was implemented. The USA now has the largest part-time population of workers on the planet in all of history. IF your main source of news is written or on a video and they decide to hold back the truth, please do not hold it as gospel.

8 years ago - everyone on a Home Depot floor was full time... not now. My son worked there for a year and a half almost two years before they promoted him to full time.


I still think you miss the point, when there is a drive by shooting in Phila - done by gang related violence - it gets blacked-out news by reporters, 8 years or more ago the same reporters reported the outrage of "a murder a day in the city" When was the last time you heard about a drive by shooting?


& by the way I am back to work next week I somehow reached back to people that I worked with about 6 years ago and they found a position for me.... I am not sure how it will work out...

Thanks


Woo

[hunter63]

WOO.....Good luck on the job...Pullin' for ya.....

[Rick]

Took you a month and a half to find a source to support you? Wow. I mean, Woo.

[hayshaker]

i think it's sad to waste all that money when you got people snapping photos from a drone
and putting them on the internet. the neighbors all the while watching then there's the gossip
damm sure the county as govt now knows as well, i'm reminded of the twilight episode called (the bunker)
yeah buddy no OPSEC here.
poopie hits the fan the whole damm neighborhood will be pounding the doors down.