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    Quote Originally Posted by Batch View Post
    This thread is going to turn into shotgun porn, isn't it?
    Ya got one? Let's see it!
    Keep in mind the problem may be extremely complicated, though the "Fix" is often simple...

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    One? no one can have just one! Shotguns are like Pringles! LOL

    I'll post tomorrow. But, I have nothing impressive. just shot guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batch View Post
    One? no one can have just one! Shotguns are like Pringles! LOL

    I'll post tomorrow. But, I have nothing impressive. just shot guns.
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    Show me a guy with only one shotgun and I will show you a guy that ran out of money!
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    I am going to need to retract a bunch of stuff and modify more due to an incident I had yesterday at the range.

    I am declaring all accuracy with slugs or anything else completely shooter dependent.

    Yesterday I watched Nate shoot 2 INCH groups @ 50 yards with his slug barrel and open sights while the kid at the next bench was shooting two FOOT groups using a slug barrel and scope.

    It reminded me that all the best gear in the world will not help if the shooter is working with less than normal abilities.

    I thought Nate was going to have apoplexy watching that kid shoot! Calling the shots was like a comedy skit.

    BANG...
    "Did I hit it?"

    "Nope you are in the dirt"

    Shuck...Rack...Bang...

    "Did I hit it?"

    "Nope you blew a big hole in the target frame two feet high and a foot and a half to the left"

    Turns the scope adjustments three clicks each direction...shuck...rack ...BANG!

    "Did I hit it?"

    "Nope you are in the dirt over on the other guys target."

    That was about when Nate started twitching and I had to get him out of there!
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    Googling apoplexy now. LOL

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    Been a long time since my scope purchase, but if I recall. The scope had to be specialized for a shotgun due to the differing recoil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyratshooter View Post
    I am going to need to retract a bunch of stuff and modify more due to an incident I had yesterday at the range.

    I am declaring all accuracy with slugs or anything else completely shooter dependent.

    Yesterday I watched Nate shoot 2 INCH groups @ 50 yards with his slug barrel and open sights while the kid at the next bench was shooting two FOOT groups using a slug barrel and scope.

    It reminded me that all the best gear in the world will not help if the shooter is working with less than normal abilities.

    I thought Nate was going to have apoplexy watching that kid shoot! Calling the shots was like a comedy skit.

    BANG...
    "Did I hit it?"

    "Nope you are in the dirt"

    Shuck...Rack...Bang...

    "Did I hit it?"

    "Nope you blew a big hole in the target frame two feet high and a foot and a half to the left"

    Turns the scope adjustments three clicks each direction...shuck...rack ...BANG!

    "Did I hit it?"

    "Nope you are in the dirt over on the other guys target."

    That was about when Nate started twitching and I had to get him out of there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batch View Post
    Googling apoplexy now. LOL
    Hey! Apoplexy is a real thing! We call it a stroke today.

    My mom used to scream that us kids were going to give it to her all the time, but more-so in summer when school was out.

    She also claimed we were going to give her a nervous breakdown but I did not know what that was. She claimed we came close several times though.

    After I grew up I decided she was being over dramatic, then I had kids.

    Yes there is a definite ability for your kids to give you a nervous breakdown and if that does not kill you the apoplexy will finish you off!
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    My mom always declared we'd get a case of pinworm running around barefoot. I had no idea what pinworm was but I was certain I didn't even want a pint of it let alone a case.

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    Everything Kyrat had said was every bit true.

    Sad thing was, me and the other guy were using the same make, model and gauge shotgun so there wasn't the excuse of "bad equipment". The fact that he had a scope and I didn't was proof positive that gear cannot make up for ability.

    It was quite evident that this gentleman didn't have much experience with guns as he kept manually pushing shells into the chamber using his thumb. I guess he never looking at the owners manual under "nomenclature" and noticed the term "shell carrier". He was also staying pretty close to the scope. I made a minor suggestion to him, which he disregarded, and then his following shot caused the scope to bump his glasses. He then gave me the look of "Whoa, how'd you know that?!".

    By the time we left, he obliterated the back stop and the top of the target stand frame. The paper was pretty safe with only one shot barely on it. If he is deer hunting this year like he claims, I believe not one tag gets filled (Unless he picks up road kill).

    I am glad we left when we did. I did not want to lay witness to him injuring himself.
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    Was at the range with a couple of friends....
    Friend had a new rifle .338 Win mag......and would load into the mag, then work the bolt....actually the way you should do it.

    Had a target board at 100 yds., with 4 targets....so was about 4' X 4'.....and he was hitting anything, and complaining.
    Was actually flinching very badly, but when told, insisted that he wasn't.

    On one shot he didn't have the bolt back far enough to pick up the round...so closed the bolt on a empty chamber.
    Took a deep breath, turned his head, and jerked the trigger, but when it didn't go off...No Bang.....just sat there squeezing with the whole rifle shaking.

    Finally, quit pulling on the trigger, opened his eyes and realized he was indeed super flinching........

    We shot the rifle,.... shot just fine....took it back and got a .243.

    Some people just shouldn't shoot.....or at least take some training, on breathing and trigger control.
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    Me and Nate knew something was wrong when the guy started building a tower on the shooting bench out of sandbags to get his shotgun up high enough where he would not have to lean over and shoot.

    He was firing from a sort of contorted, sitting up straight and leaning back at the waist posture. Very strange.

    And from about the third shot he began professing a problem elsewhere than himself as after we announced by what margin he had missed he kept proclaiming "I know I'm a better shot than that!"

    Well, at least he was reasonably safe and such but as Nate said, the target was the safest thing n the range.

    I have packed up and headed home due to the behaviors of some gun range renegades. There are several holes in the roof of the local range the origin of which I can explain. And I did not put them there.

    At any rate, Me and Nate had a good time. We solved the problems of the world on the trip out, zeroed about half dozen guns, a couple with the assistance of a Chinese hammer, and returned home intact.
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    Yeah, the piling of sand and shooting bags was pretty hilarious. I have to applaud the man. At least he kept the muzzle down range when he had to re-stack them 20 time between shots!

    Yeah, I am confused by his posture as well. It was kind of a mix between "American Sniper" and drunk guy slumped over at a NASCAR race. Didn't look comfy at all which is the most important thing for me when bench shooting. If I am focused on discomfort than I am not going to be focused on anything else such as breathing, sight picture, trigger pull, etc. Those are kinda fundamental.

    It was amusing that he blamed the shotgun. After I pulled mine out and shot without issue he was really perplexed and getting aggravated. I probably shouldn't have goaded him like that, but could really pass the opportunity up either.

    It was a good time. Lots of good conversation to and fro with thoughts which to ponder. Zeroed guns was a good thing, and thank heavens that the front sight on the milsurp wasn't fortified in place so the Chinese hammer was sufficient!

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    We did learn one valuable thing from the poor fellow at the range.

    It does not matter what gauge you use, what sighting system you use, what barrel length or shotgun type....

    The worst shooter on planet earth can still keep all their shotgun slugs in a 2 foot circle at 50 yards.

    Which also means they would still hit most standing humans at that range and that they would be better off with buckshot!
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    Yeah, but this guy was in a controlled environment with no stress factors or adrenaline. In real life, I think his limit of range with buck shot would be 5-7 feet.

    This then brings up two key things which we should focus on. 1) efficiency with the firearm and 2) practicing motor skills under stress.
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    Well Nate, they do have running boar events in the Olympics, but the boars are running left to right and right to left and none of them are running straight at you snapping their tusks and trying to topple you over and rip you into shreds.

    Only thing I can imagine that would duplicate that level of stress would be trying to zero a rifle with fireworks going off under your feet and a scared ferret dropped down your pants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyratshooter View Post
    ......................................Only thing I can imagine that would duplicate that level of stress would be trying to zero a rifle with fireworks going off under your feet and a scared ferret dropped down your pants.
    Sounds like a Rondy, ML, novelty shoot......
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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter63 View Post
    Sounds like a Rondy, ML, novelty shoot......
    If I had known you were at that one I would have looked you up!

    I did attempt a woods walk once that required shooting a target, which released a timer that allowed another pop up target to appear in 20 seconds, and you were standing in a canoe mid-river when you reloaded and took your shot.

    Then there were the ones where you had to set a trap and the Indian popped up from behind the bush right when you got the jaws open.

    Those were the days!
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    DNR shut down the canoe "attack" event.....
    You were attacked, so you fire at a flip up target......then grab your "child"...farmer goose.... about 20 pounds...put a T shirt on it....than run to the canoe, hold on to the goose in the canoe...(step on T shirt easiest way) load and fire at another pop up target.....

    Then a third popped up close......so the smart one threw their hawk...and lived.... the slow dead one tried reloading again.....(by now all you pre measured, and prepped loads were shot, or dropped...or you lost your ram rod, capper.....

    Oh, yeah, they didn't tell you about throwing your hawk or for those that carried a pistol shot that....but did make a big deal about carrying all your possible's ...might even have a fire starting part....didn't know....but then again...in life....do you ever?

    Edited to add...The DNR shut down the goose part....said it was cruel to the goose....HA.....ever grab a 20 pound mad goose?
    That thing beat the crap out of anyone that grabbed it...especially after the first run.....
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