I practice canoeing naked just in case.
I practice canoeing naked just in case.
Thinking about it. Unless I am going to the woods as far as my EDC goes, I do NOT usually carry any cordage in my pockets or on my person.
Originally Posted by DSJohnson
That right there folks is why they invented the ban button. No, really. It is.
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I usually count on my boot or shoe laces as cordage and I also wear belts woven from leather strips and 550 cord when out and about.
There are also things like "floss cards" that fit in the wallet.
There are also a lot of natural fibers you can twist some cord from. Every area has it favored fibers from nettles to basswood bark.
It does not take but a couple of feet of cordage to make a fire bow.
I also found a supplier that carries 1/8" and 3/16" fire steels. They are great for taping to a survival card in the wallet and I keep one in my keychain pill container, along with a cotton ball for tinder. The cotton ball also keeps my nitro pills from turning into powder as they rattle around.
http://usaknifemaker.com/ferro-rods-...14661c47ed8e9c
If you didn't bring jerky what did I just eat?
I tried to cut a fero rod in half with a hack saw. Darn near burned the house down.
Lmao i broke one once and tried to drill a new hole through it once it heated up all the dust ignited....good thing was on concrete floor not wooden work bench or something likd that was amazed how fast heated up and lit off
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You nick them with the hacksaw and snap them in a vise just like breaking off pieces of a file.
I did cut one of the magnesium blocks in half once. Dang near took forever and I had a good pile of mag shavings at the end.
I mixed the mag shavings into some petroleum jelly and coated cotton balls with it for fire starting.
Ever see a cotton ball go up in a tiny mushroom cloud ?
If you didn't bring jerky what did I just eat?
Ok some of you guys are just simply missing the point.....first of all I always have a way of making fire on hand or in car or in pack....cig lighter fire rod Cotten balls and etc. I was hoping to receive a great link to a video or web page that can explain how to make a fire from nothing, like perhaps a Native American would....I am pretty sure they did not have a buck knife or para cord handy.....that's what I was meaning with nothing....the car/river scenario was unimportant to question, yet some of you guys can't get over that....
I do have basic knowledge of friction and bow making fires....yet I don't know how to make my own cordage or cutting tools...I have seen naked and afraid type shows and I have used youtube.....but as most of you know some videos are made pretty bad and don't help much...that's why I am calling on you all for some help...not to be ridiculed for asking a complicated question....
And if you still need a scenario that would leave me in a situation with nothing.....let's say I was taken prisoner and stripped of all belongings and I managed to escape into nearby forest....hope that is good enough....even though it's not important to my question....I can think of a million ways to loose your personal belongings so that's why I ask....and for that reason I would like to learn....you can think all you want that because you have this and that always handy to make a fire or survive, then you will not be prepared for the unforeseen .
Last edited by Red beard; 05-07-2015 at 01:02 PM.
I am truly sorry that the TSA got hold of you on your way to work.
Problem is that the Native Americans did not make fire from "Nothing". They generally carried a fire kit just like we do, it just included a fire bow or spindle and some appropriate tinder.
https://archive.org/details/firemakingappara00houguoft
The Native Americans, or any stone age people, also have a sophisticated stone tool technology that they pass down from one to the other. They are also restricted to use of the materials at hand and much of our nation does not have good stone to chip. They had a vast network of trade to move that material from place to place and often substituted bone, shell or coral for flint.
So the answer to your question is that the Native Americans took out their fire bow and built a fire. Or they made a fire bow using the tools they kept at hand just like we do. Or they made the tools to make the firebow, which took some considerable length of time and a search for the materials needed.
None of them just snapped their fingers and fire, or even a fire kit, appeared.
If you do not know how to chip stone there are classes given on that craft at almost any archeological site in the nation, or they can point you to the nearest "Knap-in" where you can learn the craft.
If you do not know how to make cordage it is covered by many people in many books or you can go to the same archeological site and get a class in that craft too. Making cordage is considered a skill equal to knapping flint in usefulness to the stone age cultures. Making cordage is essential for creating snares and traps, not just fire bows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckqckOag2eI
After you have learned to pick up a sharp rock and twist dry grass, sinew or the inner bark of certain trees into cordage you will then need to know what wood in your area makes the best hearth board and spindle. We have dozens of threads on that subject with one in the primitive skills section just this week dealing with going from nothing to a chest high fire. In fact, your little tantrum knocked it out of sight.
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...802#post460802
You did not even click on the thread that was already there and a partial answer to your question! You ignored everything we have offered, discussed and catalogued for a decade. Rather than making fun of you, are you not making fun of us?
The answers you want are already here, you just need to use the search function and read a bit.
What you are asking for now is a complete lesson in stone tool technology, fire kit making, cordage twisting and the biology of wood needed for fire building technology in a couple of quick sentences. It ain't going to happen!
Last edited by kyratshooter; 05-07-2015 at 01:00 PM.
If you didn't bring jerky what did I just eat?
You did not give a location of the area you are in....Material and methods will be different.
So now you change the parameters........?
Looked to me like given the information given, answers were serious and straight forward........so pitching a hiss isn't a good way to get any answers that haven't already been given.
So good luck to you...there is no magic answer.....and even the self proclaimed "Naked and Afraid" experts took days to make fire in some cases, and better than a day with a ferro rod starter, on one case.
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First 50 years...worried about the small stuff...second 50 years....Not so much
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Thanks for the links....that is what I've been looking for. I do know native Americans did carry a fire kit and didn't snap their fingers lol.....I've done some looking on this page and youtube but I always seem to find the really bad threads and videos....I am new to this site and finding all the info can be a little overwhelming for a newbie, even when the answers are right there in front of my face....I go on many jeep forums and newbies always ask dumb questions, I usually point them to the right direction.....I clearly should of asked things differently....instead of saying nothing I should of said natural materials. I should of never mentioned car planes trains or canoe....my original post just asked for good links to get me started......thank you to those who tried to help
And I am from Illinois but spend most of my outdoor time in Missouri...
Sorry one more thing....part of the reason I asked my question is because like I said it can be hard to find the good threads....my first experiance on this site was when I searched to see if in a survival situation and not near fish populated streams could I eat creek minnows....I found one thread that was filled with everyone telling stories of eating goldfish as kids and I learned nothing...so I thought maybe I would ask for valuable links
Last edited by Red beard; 05-07-2015 at 03:02 PM.
I love this one, always have a pack of gum with you. the kind that has foil wrapping. also have a AA battery. hold a piece of foil at each end, and touch them together to make a spark.
Gum also helps to clean teeth and protect against dry mouth syndrome.
Having been raised in Illinois and having spent a fair amount of time in Missouri I can't for the life of me imagine a scenario in which you would be forced to make fire from nothing. There are only a few locations in Missouri and none that I can think of in Illinois that you can't walk a couple of miles in any direction and hit a road. The chances of you being in one of the few places where you can't walk out, being naked and needing to start a fire from scratch is about nil. That's part of the reason you received some of the answers you did.
We'll my friend me either.....I do like the idea of learning old ways and natural ways that's all...I will learn using knife and para cord first just to get a sense of it...but I like a challenge
And I do occasionally leave the country.....and I have been mugged in Thailand. So anything can happen
Last edited by Red beard; 05-07-2015 at 04:11 PM.
Hunter63 saying Hey and Welcome.
There is an intro section at
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...-Introductions
No worries my friend...read a owners manual lately?....Mostly full of "Thou shalt not's"....There is no, "This is what you do if this happens"
DW car has a line in the manual that says, "There are 7 things under the hood that are yellow colored....if it isn't yellow, don't mess with it."
Can't even find a chart or legend for the fuse block(s).....
Just a place to save warranty cards, and motor club numbers......
And 100 pages of your radio and Wifi........Besides if you die, some one else is gonna be looking for the manual.
Geezer Squad....Charter Member #1
Evoking the 50 year old rule...
First 50 years...worried about the small stuff...second 50 years....Not so much
Member Wahoo Killer knives club....#27
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