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    Due to the recent D&G threads In was wondering about a possible solution. It doesn't matter to me what gets posted, if I find it interesting, I'll read it, if not I won't. With that said could a sub-forum be created that newbies or such couldn't access it. After a certain number of posts it would be accessible. The folks that want to discuss D&G could post their concerns there. It could be called the dungeon or root cellar or some such name. It could be a place to dump threads that get slid into the general forum too. Just a thought, again I don't care one way or the other.
    so the definition of a criminal is someone who breaks the law and you want me to believe that somehow more laws make less criminals?


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    I'll call Chris's attention to this thread.
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    D&G? Can you be a little more elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    D&G? Can you be a little more elaborate?
    Doom and gloom, government outrage, loss of freedoms, militarizing the nations police forces, politicians not following their oath.... Seems as though there have been a few that are very interested in these topics.

    Unfortunately, there have been many that have left the forum because of those types of topics.
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    All other forums I run I just disallow politics, this forum seemed to do okay without that being necessary, maybe because more of us agree with each other. But I'm getting that people aren't liking it lately so things have changed.

    I don't know if I'd call it "Doom and Gloom" that makes a judgement. I'd want to be more neutral.

    What would prevent arguments from just migrating there? I can easily hide a forum from newbies, but not from oldies. So if new members are being turned off and leaving that is something that could be prevented, but not old members reaching the end of their ropes.

    Of course, I could just say nothing more political, but I run into a problem there, since this is a survival forum, there are obvious and natural connections. Talking about emergency preparedness directly leads to politics in multiple ways, and I recognize people need a place to vent.

    So yes, I'm open to suggestions, but lets flesh the idea out some more.

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    Chris, I may be in the minority, but I genuinely believe that most of the threads some describe as "Doom and Gloom" are relevant topics for discussion here. The line can be drawn, admittedly with a gray area on each side, at political endorsements and posts that attack a particular political party, etc. The only exception should be if Sourdough agrees to run for President again in 2016, LOL.

    Most of us are avid and responsible gun owners and strong supporters of the Second Amendment. Discussions about so-called "gun control" efforts are highly relevant, but clearly involve the topic of actions being taken by elected officials.

    One recent event over which there was some disagreement here was the door-to-door search conducted in Watertown, Massachusetts, in pursuit of the Boston Marathon bomber. I don't believe that a single member of the Forums failed to applaud his capture or failed to condemn this senseless act of terrorism. Nonetheless, many of us, I perhaps being the most vocal, adamantly opposed and railed against the blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment in every single instance where occupants of homes were ordered, at gunpoint, to allow police to search their homes. I believe that this was a relevant topic for discussion here.

    I feel the same way about the militarization of our local police departments and the Department of Homeland Security. (Please don't confuse me with the crazies who insist that there are FEMA detention camps being built around the country.) We see report after report on the front pages of major newspapers on an almost daily basis of instances where unarmed civilians are being killed due to police "mistakes" and "accidents."

    We've seen a number of recent incidents where inappropriate police action and military tactics have caused unnecessary deaths. Last week, a SWAT team responded to a home where a 107 year old man, obviously suffering from dementia, had locked himself in his bedroom with a gun. Instead of waiting the situation out, police chose to move in like a military team would, using all of their new toys and guns to kill the old guy. Over the weekend, a police officer shot and killed a recent college grad and football player who was running toward them, unarmed, asking for help. Two bystanders were shot in Times Square by officers who shot at, and missed, an unarmed man. These are, in my opinion, ALL relevant topics.

    Topics such as these could possibly be posted in a restricted Forum rather than in the General Chat Forum. That Forum could be accessible to senior members only and not to newbies or non-members. Members who don't want to read such threads could simply avoid that Forum, just as they can avoid Chinese food, pornography, peanuts, and puppies if they don't care for them.

    I understand that you own the Forums and that the First Amendment does not apply here, and that we don't want to open the door to nutcases, hate speech, or all-out warfare between members. Decorum should remain a governing principle. Still, I feel that there are enough long-time members here who are interested in such topics that creating a Forum here for such discussions here would be a positive move.
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    Well, you will ALL get no more of what YOU call Doom & Gloom from me. I have no children and I am pushing 67 y/o and I live in the middle of NO-where.

    It really does not effect me. I was merely trying to bring it to the attention of those who would be affected. You will not get any more Doom & Gloom from me........ZERO. It started last night, and I have not nor will I post anything negative on this forum from last night forward.

    I posted what I have posted in the past, because I cared about the well being of forum members..........And now I just don't care anymore. I just can no longer care about people who don't care about their own future. I wish you all a safe and happy future. I will continue to post a little, but never anything the least bit negative.

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    Having a place to rant and rave about the political issues that effect us all is a a great idea. No flaming, no insulting, no personal attacks. I think that adults can handle it. If forum users are not adult enough to handle the reality of political discussion, rants and raves, then most likely these same feeble, weak minded spineless wanna be dundee posers, should simply use their freedom of choice and stay out of it, most likely they don't have much to contribute. I think that being completely open and honest but respectful to others, in an "any topic here" area will be a unique departure from the overly politically correct forums out there.
    If its too much trouble, close it down but you would be the only forum who allows it and I think it would bring more people in because of it. Don't pander to the minorities, give something that majority will benefit from.

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    I do have children and a grandchild, and I'll be quite honest - I'm terrified about the way things are going and how they will be affected by them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zero
    Having a place to rant and rave about the political issues that effect us all is a a great idea. No flaming, no insulting, no personal attacks. I think that adults can handle it. If forum users are not adult enough to handle the reality of political discussion, rants and raves, then most likely these same feeble, weak minded spineless wanna be dundee posers, should simply use their freedom of choice and stay out of it, most likely they don't have much to contribute. I think that being completely open and honest but respectful to others, in an "any topic here" area will be a unique departure from the overly politically correct forums out there.


    Are you kidding me? You just did it. You revert to name calling for anyone that can't hold a discussion. That's too rich. That's exactly how the threads run that's why we've tried to stay away from it. "f
    eeble, weak minded spineless wanna be dundee posers". That's hardly respectful in anyone's book.

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    I will continue to post a little, but never anything the least bit negative.


    Wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air?


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    I don't know why the term doom & gloom. It is either fact and reality or it is not. If it is fact, then it should be brought to peoples attention and rational solutions should be bantered about. If you are going to stick your head in the sand when stuff is happening around you, then you are as much a part of the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeroed4x View Post
    Having a place to rant and rave about the political issues that effect us all is a a great idea. No flaming, no insulting, no personal attacks. I think that adults can handle it. If forum users are not adult enough to handle the reality of political discussion, rants and raves, then most likely these same feeble, weak minded spineless wanna be dundee posers, should simply use their freedom of choice and stay out of it, most likely they don't have much to contribute. I think that being completely open and honest but respectful to others, in an "any topic here" area will be a unique departure from the overly politically correct forums out there.
    If its too much trouble, close it down but you would be the only forum who allows it and I think it would bring more people in because of it. Don't pander to the minorities, give something that majority will benefit from.
    You Sir, are the problem as your comments are baseless and without merit for the sake of being vile. After 3 tours in Iraq, I will use my freedom of choice to say something about the negativity that has spread here causing a great decline in active membership. Anytime you want to put your credentials on the table, I would be happy to see them. After 54 posts, you would be one of those "new" members not allowed to participate for reasons clearly demonstrated by your comments.
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    I agree a sub forum for the political talk would be a great idea. This would remove it from the everyday areas of the forum and cater to the wants of the membership that is still here. It should be locked as many of those topics can be out on the edge and in my opinion drive new membership away that get the wrong impression. Both Ken and Sourdough contribute in a lot of other areas of the forum and I believe do care even if we disagree on political topics.
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    Yup, it would be a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeroed4x View Post
    Having a place to rant and rave about the political issues that effect us all is a a great idea. No flaming, no insulting, no personal attacks. I think that adults can handle it. If forum users are not adult enough to handle the reality of political discussion, rants and raves, then most likely these same feeble, weak minded spineless wanna be dundee posers, should simply use their freedom of choice and stay out of it, most likely they don't have much to contribute. I think that being completely open and honest but respectful to others, in an "any topic here" area will be a unique departure from the overly politically correct forums out there.
    If its too much trouble, close it down but you would be the only forum who allows it and I think it would bring more people in because of it. Don't pander to the minorities, give something that majority will benefit from.
    I've got no problems with a subforum area that will allow discussions such as Ken outlined. Keep in mind though that a post like you just made would be grounds for editing and potential disciplinary action regardless of where it is posted. Your post demonstrates why these topics have not been allowed in the past.
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    I don't mean to be rude. But why does every word said have to be politically correct?
    Why is it not ok to get our little feelings hurt,talk it over and move on? On most any subject.
    It does get old beating the same dead doom and gloom horse....but in reality, that is why we are all on survival forums of some sort.
    We all share the feeling that things may go sideways at any time, and flock together for some commonality.
    If you start shutting out certain types of members because they are new, or overly excited it seems like a steep and slippery slope from there on.
    It seems easy to me to simply skip threads that do not peek my interest.

    Other forums have dungeon areas, and paid private areas that seem to indicate eliteism. FWIW

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    This isn't about political correctness. This isn't about hurting somebodies feelings. This is about rules that were set down from the outset regarding no political and no religious discussions. This forum's draw was its wilderness survival theme. This is not a survivalist forum. Lord knows there are plenty of those out there and quite frankly they don't interest me (and I suspect a lot of others as well).
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    Crash Post 16 I agree.

    I would visit a sub forum that would allow what has been labeled as doom and gloom. The articles that SD, Ken and a few others felt concern enough to bring to our awareness on this forum are one of my concerns. Ken's post #6 pretty closely reflects my view on this subject. If they didn't post these articles i would eventually see some of them elsewhere. I have taken the posting of these articles, wether it is stated in the post or not, a way to initiate discussion in part to answer the question, Does this concern anyone like it concerns me?
    Perhaps in a sub forum I might participate more in in discussion of the D&G articles.

    Perhaps a sub forum participation could be by requesting access. Just a thought.
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    I see no reason for d&g subforum. If that is what people want, then go to a forum that caters to it. Don't go to Taco Bell and get upset they don't offer a cheeseburger, if you catch my drift. There have been too many good people run off here and info keeps getting more diluted.

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