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    thenks for the understanding and help...ive worked hard everyday of my life for allmost nothing but i never complained..and yes ' sometimes i have problems to explain myself...but it allways warm my hart when people just hear you and try to help you without sarkasm.
    well..people-allways remaind me why i want to get as far away from them
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    Quote Originally Posted by nirz View Post
    thenks for the uderstanding and help...ive worked hard everyday in my life for allmost nothing but i never complained..and yes ' sometimes i have problems to explain myself...but it always warm my hart when people just hear you and try to help you without sarkasm.
    well..people-allways remaind me why i want to get as far away from them
    I do have to comment on one point, you say you want as far away from people as possible, and why, but It seems you need people in your life, if you didnt , you won't be asking us for advice, or being offended by the jokes, or sarcasm . Its a contradictory statement my friend.
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    Nirz, from what I have read here in this thread, I get the feeling you are ill prepared for the situation you seek. Having lived and worked in many remote Alaskan communities, I can say this from personal experience. Alaska is largely still a frontier, hence the name "Last Frontier". It's largest city, Anchorage, even has a year round bear and moose population. Either species quite capable of dispatching an annoying greenhorn who finds himself in their element. It is also an expensive proposition just to reach many remote bush communities. If you show up with no clue and no money you really are more of a liability than an asset. There are still land programs available to bonafide residents. Don't expect to show up and immediately qualify for it (the homesteading program ended back in the 1980's if I'm not mistaken). If you want an opportunity to live in the bush far away from the annoyances of civilization you might consider looking for employment with a outfitter. Someone to tend to the camp and customers in season, and a caretaker in the off-season. After you cut your teeth so to speak, you would have a better idea about what that lifestyle is all about. Remember, the first rule in survival is not dying!

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    I guess I should add......

    How do you plan on traveling to Alaska from the Middle East if you have no/not much money?
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    I may be of some help.........are you

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    c.) Not sure.........???

    if your answer is "b" please submit a video of you disassembling your largest chainsaw, and re-assembling it.

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    Abandoned cabins do not last long up here. They quickly revert back to nature with our weather extremes. That is, unless they are squatter cabins, in which case they are burned down by Rangers. How do you plan on getting there. Anywhere that you could just move in without someone noticing would be off the road system. How do you plan on heating during the winter? Oh wood heat you say? So that means a chain saw which means fuel. Do you know how to rebuild or even sharpen a chain saw? Do you know how many fish it takes to get one through the winter? Yes you can dry them. That draws bears. Do you have a gun big enough to protect you from bears? Do you have a fishing license? What about a hunting license? Oh yea, you can't hunt bears for the first year here without also hiring a licensed guide. We got tired of our tourist getting munched on by bears... It's a big state with different climate zones. Which part of the state were you looking at?
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    Now that ^ was the post I was hoping for Star.

    So the OP is in the Middle East? A US expat, US soldier, or native?
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    If I remember correctly, Dick Proenneke moved to Alaska in 1950-51 and lived and worked on Kodiak Island for 17 years before he moved to Twin Lakes.
    The same sorta thing as the plan suggested by Cast-Iron.
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    Personally I think this desert dwelling goof is full of $hite, he's not traveling to Alaska to live remotely any more than I'm traveling over there to live a solitude life among people that hate Americans (but for money I will go hunt them, I'm just saying). He has no wilderness (forest) experience and desert survival will hold him till he's going goo goo over a Kodiak and it eats him. This is a waste of internet space.
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    Washington state still has a homestead program, and the conditions would be kinder.still no power,you could survive the first wi in a well built yurt,which you can acquire a mongolian yurt for about 3000. acquire two good dogs. Too easy for cougar to take down one. But then you have moremouths to feed. People havedone it. Keep trying,you willl find a way to peace. Homesteading is always dangerous alone. Can youfind even one other person you can do this with? A yes answer might make a life or death difference. Remember, it has been done successfully, but not often alone.

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    I didn't know homestead programs still existed! I would love to live in Washington State, too, so beautiful there.

    Quote Originally Posted by grandmasusan View Post
    Washington state still has a homestead program, and the conditions would be kinder.still no power,you could survive the first wi in a well built yurt,which you can acquire a mongolian yurt for about 3000. acquire two good dogs. Too easy for cougar to take down one. But then you have moremouths to feed. People havedone it. Keep trying,you willl find a way to peace. Homesteading is always dangerous alone. Can youfind even one other person you can do this with? A yes answer might make a life or death difference. Remember, it has been done successfully, but not often alone.

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    Amen to that.

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    I think the current homestead law is to protect your primary home. Most states have a homestead law but it's not the same definition as we're talking about here.

    http://www.atg.wa.gov/AGOOpinions/op...6#.UeQj2dKThMI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    I think the current homestead law is to protect your primary home. Most states have a homestead law but it's not the same definition as we're talking about here.

    http://www.atg.wa.gov/AGOOpinions/op...6#.UeQj2dKThMI

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    They are right. Things have changed. Just discovered it ended in 1976.
    But I might have a piece of property you can borrow for awhile, not a lifetime. PM me.

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    I
    have some woods behind my house
    you could live there! It would fun!
    You can live on dandelions and rabbit.
    The bay is close by saltwater fishing at it's best.
    I'll even loan you a fishing rod!
    the only problem is it's 2500 miles away
    from Alaska. Why don;t you come here and try
    to live the life you seek first and IF you survive
    here then move to Alaska! IF you don't or can't
    survive here you WILL DIE IN ALASKA!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    I'm not the OP but I would die in that heat.

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    I was born in Alaska, drove sled dogs, we used a fish wheel, lived 20 miles from the nearest small town. My mother and 2 brothers still live there. Mom is in assisted living now, but the brothers still live subsistence on land around Sutton. They were there 2 years without electricity. Now there is electricity, but still no well. I lived on Knik River in an unfinished house (but it had electricity and water and septic) , in the middle of bear and wolf country. At the time, I was 22 years old with 3 babies. I had a couple of dogs who pulled sled and for ski-jouring, goats for milk, a large garden, and a lot of loneliness. Don't believe all the bull**** you hear on this post. My best friends growing up with eskimo people from the interior (I am not, I am caucasian, but culturally Alaskan indian). Remember, that one survival skill is learning to discern the motive of people. I've found most white people in remote locations are more dangerous/intentionally harmful than animals. ' Course, I haven't been living in polar bear or grizzly country. Don't put yourself in harm's way. And if you find that hanging out in a community of ego-centric, sarcastic and rude types that call themselves survivor experts is unsupportive, then go find a community of kind people who will help you heal from the dark side of humanity, will share tips and tricks of their trades, will help you learn about how TO survive difficult climates and will help you understand safety, tools, techniques, animal psychology (wild and domestic), food preservation, clothing construction, medicinal herbal treatments, construction techniquest etc. etc. etc. Skills can be learned. Your intention, your heart, and your desires...those are harder to train, yet are key factors in determining who to trust and follow. As in surviving in the wilderness, preparedness and key tools and knowledge/skills are required, and timing (seasons) -- same goes for community living but the skills are different and have more to do with having good boundaries and understanding the culture of the people you are in contact so you can speak their language and live peaceably without offending. Brute force is not the right language for long term survival, and certainly not for a life of peace / harmony. I'll soon be making some decisions about whether this forum is one that I will find helpful, or just combative and condescending. Don't take bull****...or in other words, consider all things, and hold them in a neutral space until you learn enough about context and reality, to know what the truth is (for you).

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    Gosh I don't know how you did it!! I agree with you on the importance of a supportive community to help one another build skills. I think it's so important to lean on each other. Unfortunately, my own experience with this has left me cynical because I've had people take advantage. I think there are a lot of newbies who are overconfident and are starry-eyed about how great the subsistence life is and are blind to all the hard work and skill that must go into such a lifestyle. I know I was at first. After doing plenty of research I learned real quick just how much I didn't know. So I think a little razzing from the group is in order, simply to weed out those who are serious about the life.



    Quote Originally Posted by grandmasusan View Post
    I was born in Alaska, drove sled dogs, we used a fish wheel, lived 20 miles from the nearest small town. My mother and 2 brothers still live there. Mom is in assisted living now, but the brothers still live subsistence on land around Sutton. They were there 2 years without electricity. Now there is electricity, but still no well. I lived on Knik River in an unfinished house (but it had electricity and water and septic) , in the middle of bear and wolf country. At the time, I was 22 years old with 3 babies. I had a couple of dogs who pulled sled and for ski-jouring, goats for milk, a large garden, and a lot of loneliness. Don't believe all the bull**** you hear on this post. My best friends growing up with eskimo people from the interior (I am not, I am caucasian, but culturally Alaskan indian). Remember, that one survival skill is learning to discern the motive of people. I've found most white people in remote locations are more dangerous/intentionally harmful than animals. ' Course, I haven't been living in polar bear or grizzly country. Don't put yourself in harm's way. And if you find that hanging out in a community of ego-centric, sarcastic and rude types that call themselves survivor experts is unsupportive, then go find a community of kind people who will help you heal from the dark side of humanity, will share tips and tricks of their trades, will help you learn about how TO survive difficult climates and will help you understand safety, tools, techniques, animal psychology (wild and domestic), food preservation, clothing construction, medicinal herbal treatments, construction techniquest etc. etc. etc. Skills can be learned. Your intention, your heart, and your desires...those are harder to train, yet are key factors in determining who to trust and follow. As in surviving in the wilderness, preparedness and key tools and knowledge/skills are required, and timing (seasons) -- same goes for community living but the skills are different and have more to do with having good boundaries and understanding the culture of the people you are in contact so you can speak their language and live peaceably without offending. Brute force is not the right language for long term survival, and certainly not for a life of peace / harmony. I'll soon be making some decisions about whether this forum is one that I will find helpful, or just combative and condescending. Don't take bull****...or in other words, consider all things, and hold them in a neutral space until you learn enough about context and reality, to know what the truth is (for you).

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