Why Don't LADIES want to move to the remote WILDERNESS........???????

[hunter63]

Yeah and more sneaky, vindictive, and ruthless...........Or so I have been told....LOL

[BENESSE]

Yeah and more sneaky, vindictive, and ruthless...........Or so I have been told....LOL

Only if you ax for it.

[Psalm25]

I can relate to needing to get away to some remote place to chill and recharge your batteries. I couldn't keep sane if I didn't do that a few times a year. Even fantasized about a log cabin in Wyoming or Utah, a shack on some underdeveloped Caribbean island or a cave dwelling in Santorini. But common sense ultimately prevails. Too many things left to do and see in the world, not enough dough to do it all. I suppose if I had a burning desire to live that one dream at the expense of everything else, I'd go for it. I've done it once by moving here 24 yrs ago, I can do it again.

As far as the OP goes, my sense is, at least from the guy newbies who posted here, that they wanted to get away from society and into the wilderness where they wouldn't be accountable in any way and could live off the fat of the land (usually not their own). I was willing to bet that they felt marginalized, ill at ease and didn't have many friends, nor a strong male figure in their lives, (if one at all). Probably didn't play sports, didn't do well in school or have a girlfriend. Didn't feel understood by anyone, didn't feel like they fit anywhere. But yet, had to function on their terms.
Two ways to escape that predicament: literally and with least amount of effort would be running off to the wilderness to be alone and away from those you hate. Or, work hard (school, job, whatever) and gain independence so you can be your own master. Show them vs. running away from them.
Women may have similar feelings but they deal with them differently and running away to the wilderness hardly ever makes the list because they don't feel that such a drastic action is required. They are more adaptable, more deliberate in their goals IMO.

That is one of the funniest things I have ever seen when it comes to stereo-type! However your kind of far off on that one. I have many friends and know many people who love paleo. It's not a matter of being all the things you mentioned, I have and always have had a father although he is to elderly now to do the outdoor activities we use to do... but that makes him no less of a male figure as he was when I was a child. I have never had an issue with sports, I still have many trophies in storage. I never had an issue with girls, I now have a beautiful wife and 3 children. I have made more money since I got out of school than a lot of average working people make in a life time. I choose to "get away" to the wilderness because I can afford to, and because I never want to become what I see every day... a bunch of suit and tie zombies who's lives revolve around who has the biggest house or the best looking car. Most of them travel each year to the Caribbean or Hawaii and spend a small fortune. I have more fun just going to a remote lake in the wilderness and catching some fish. I enjoy the simple life, living on a hobby farm because I don't want to live in a city locked up in a roach infested apartment sitting on the internet to pass time each day. I want fresh air, I want to be outside. I don't want to live in the suburbs where mowing the lawn is the outdoor highlight of the week. I don't want a big fancy house where there is so much room you don't even know where your kids are half the time. And I do look forward to retire when my kids are grown up and move out so my wife and I can live in a remote lake side cabin, where I can enjoy living off the land because I want to, not because I have to. Take the above as a story made up by some guy who has no friends or father figure and is trying desperately to fit in somewhere in life, or take it as the truth, it is no concern to me. I am off work for a few weeks and killing some time. I'm not trying to make friends or impress anyone here in computer land, I'm just enjoying some wilderness talk on a wilderness survival forum.

[BENESSE]

Hey, good for you P25, however, you don't fit the profile of the type I was describing.

As far as the OP goes, my sense is, at least from the guy newbies who posted here, that they wanted to get away from society and into the wilderness where they wouldn't be accountable in any way and could live off the fat of the land (usually not their own).

And for what it's worth, they pretty much spelled out why they wanted to run off and most of us took issue with that: running away from society and squatting on someone else's land, for starters.
I'm not talking about someone who likes to hunt, fish, and spend time outdoors communing with nature every chance he has. Not talking about people who already live that way and make a living at that. (like so many of our members) Not talking about Hunter63 who's got "The Place" or 1stimester who has children, a home, a job and a life filled with purpose and friends, or Payne, who is not running away from anything but simply enjoying the adventures of the great outdoors.

[Psalm25]

Sorry about that B, I thought it was directed at me being one of the "newbie guys" I understand what your saying now

[Cement Blonde]

I suppose woman don't chuck it all and move to "the wilderness" because woman rarely want to move "backwards". If a woman moves to a cabin, she'll want a roof. After that she'll want running water. It's biological for a woman to make a "nest".

And besides, if a married woman was to "leave it all" with her husband and make a life in the wilderness, what would happen to her as she ages?

I understand that woman out live men by over 10 years and there's no way I be left to fend for myself, physically and mentally, alone.

I can't see myself hauling wood, stoking fires and hunting my own food at 70.

[crashdive123]

I think B's assessment is pretty spot on. I'll add - they get so PO'd when they are not spoon fed the answer that they want (not need) because they are taught that there are no losers - only winners. They grow up with not only a sense of entitlement, but must have instant gratification - they are taught the deserve it.

[Renatus]

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[Stiffy]

Like some of you have already said, it's partly a social thing. My wife loves to talk to people. I don't. She can bump into a (female) stranger in the bread section and, because they are both gluten sensitive, they can chat for ten or fifteen minutes like they're best friends while I "patiently" stand off to the side hoping that someone I know doesn't come along, because then I would have to avoid eye contact in the hope that they'll just keep moving on. I sure that some women are not like that, but I suspect that more are than are not. And for those who are, isolated wilderness living is about as appealing as sailing solo around the world without Skype.

Also, men don't have to squat to pee.


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And my wife doesn't like being cold, which rules out northern latitude wilderness living.
And my wife doesn't like bugs, which rules out southern latitude wilderness living.

[nell67]

I have been a member of this forum for a fair amount of time. It seems like there is ALWAYS one or two hot threads running that involve males wanting to move to the Wilderness, and be as self-sufficient as possible. WHY is this a Male thing and Why is it not a Female thing......????

Caveman syndrome,he must go out and conquer the wilderness,make ready the cave,then go back and kidnap his bride and drag her by the hair into his lair.....

[Psalm25]

I think it all comes down to what Stiffy said. Men and women who are social butterflies are not likely going to want solitude. They gather together with friends every weekend and look forward to it all week. But couples who now have a family and have grown out of the party on the weekend stage tend to spend their Friday nights reading books together. Saturdays are a little more crazy spirited when they take the kids on a hiking trip then have Grandma and Grampa over for a game of Monopoly. Couples who love nature and spend all their free time with each other and their kids are likely the ones who would have no problem buying lakeside property off the grid and building a log cabin home to live in. They hire a bush plane to take them back and fourth once or twice a year to visit friends and family, but for the most part they home school their children and simply enjoy being a family. I personally don't think it is in the childrens best interest to live in solitude as it will affect them socially in the future, but to each their own. I do feel that a husband and wife have everything they need in the same scenario once the children are old enough to move out. Living together in solitude does not mean your cut off from the world all together if you don't want to be and it does not mean you can not return to visit from time to time or have loved ones visit you. I know of a few people couples who do this... you don't hear about it often because the people who choose that way of living are not on computers chatting about it in forums for the most part. I think it is as hard to find a man who would want to live in the wilderness as it would be to find a woman... just most women are down to earth and don't play around with the idea. A lot of men like to play around with the idea so we tend to hear men talk about it more, but after all is said and done they are just playing with the idea of it.

[Sourdough]

Psalm25;

Love your signature line........

"If you're seeking to survive in the wilderness then good gear will get you to the last 10%. Training and practice are needed for the 90%."

[Psalm25]

[cowgirlup]

I think for most people, men or women, by the time you realize you'd like that kind of life it might be too late. You're already saddled with debt and responsibilities and you know you won't be able to afford it.

[Wildthang]

I discussed that with the girls one time, and we all came to the conclusion that for thousands of years, mankind has tried to better himself, and get away from having to live like animals out in the woods, with no medical services, and work tooth and nail every day to eek out an existance. So why would anybody in their right mind, want to go back to that? It is good to know how to survive in the wilderness, but not our choice of where we want to live.
I look at my skills as a prep, not a way of life!

[cowgirlup]

I discussed that with the girls one time, and we all came to the conclusion that for thousands of years, mankind has tried to better himself, and get away from having to live like animals out in the woods, with no medical services, and work tooth and nail every day to eek out an existance. So why would anybody in their right mind, want to go back to that? It is good to know how to survive in the wilderness, but not our choice of where we want to live.
I look at my skills as a prep, not a way of life!

We're already working like slaves to exist. At least you can be your own master. And with all the cool off grid stuff that's out there you won't have to live like an animal unless you want to.

[Psalm25]

We're already working like slaves to exist. At least you can be your own master. And with all the cool off grid stuff that's out there you won't have to live like an animal unless you want to.

Exactly! And if you work half your life and save all your money and buy some cheep land off the grid you no longer have to spend money, it stays in the bank. You can also make a little money trapping. If the day comes that you feel your too old to do it anymore, you can go back and retire off the money you had saved half your life that is sitting in the bank.

[BENESSE]

I'll offer an alternate POV, just for $hitz and giggles.

I may work like a slave (by choice) but it's at something I love to do. Loving what you do and getting paid for it, would, in most people's minds be the ultimate goal.
Whether you work like a slave in the wilderness (and believe me, you do--just ask SD & WildWoman) or in the urban jungle, the important thing is that you love it, and that the rewards (whatever they happen to be for you personally) far outweigh the drawbacks which exist anywhere.

If you hate what you do and yearn for something else, get a plan and get out and do it ASAP. It's never too late to get a crack at your dream.

[hunter63]

Exactly! And if you work half your life and save all your money and buy some cheep land off the grid you no longer have to spend money, it stays in the bank. You can also make a little money trapping. If the day comes that you feel your too old to do it anymore, you can go back and retire off the money you had saved half your life that is sitting in the bank.

Well good luck with that......Nothing is cheap.....if anything wilderness is more expensive just because of logistics.

Any trappers out there that "do it for the money?"....or because it is an option to keep ones head above water, or just love.

[Psalm25]

I like that POV B. It all comes down to working hard and living the life that makes us happy as individuals.