Grylls or Mears?

[crashdive123]

Wow! Leader? Really?


Good luck with that.

[finallyME]

I am surprised you haven't heard of Ruth, she is British.

I love Ray. He is my favorite out of all of them. Sarge, you need to learn how to surf youtube. I think most of Ray's stuff is on youtube. Winter, you need to watch his video on sharpening a knife in the field. He uses a falkniven DC3. Very good video. All his videos are great and I have learned more from him than any other TV guy.

[Warheit]

With the #1 selection in the Wilderness Surival "Who Would You Take With You" Draft -- Warheit selects Bear Grylls of the United Kingdom.

*thunderous applause*

[Endworld Guy]

Wow! Leader? Really?
Good luck with that.

Good point mate, which brings us to the question- would survival groups do better with or without a leader?
Every tribe in every part of the world has had a chief or headman or Big Man on Campus since prehistoric times, so if it worked for them maybe it's still a good idea?
It's almost as if people automatically look to a strong leader to willingly follow.
Or would our groups do better as a leaderless democracy, I dunno?..
How about it Colonel?

"Son, you WANT me on that wall, you NEED me on that wall"
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[Sarge47]

I am surprised you haven't heard of Ruth, she is British.

I love Ray. He is my favorite out of all of them. Sarge, you need to learn how to surf youtube. I think most of Ray's stuff is on youtube. Winter, you need to watch his video on sharpening a knife in the field. He uses a falkniven DC3. Very good video. All his videos are great and I have learned more from him than any other TV guy.

To be fair, Ruth was a British Anchor on one of the British news programs, right? But she's NOT a survival instructor, rather, her American husband, Mykel Hawke, supposedly a survival instructor in the US Special Forces is the teacher and Ruth is the student who does extra work by getting Hunter all worked up!

Yeah, I'll check his vids out, thanks FM!

[Warheit]

Good point mate, which brings us to the question- would survival groups do better with or without a leader?
Every tribe in every part of the world has had a chief or headman or Big Man on Campus since prehistoric times, so if it worked for them maybe it's still a good idea?
It's almost as if people automatically WANT and NEED a strong leader to follow.
Or would our groups do better as a leaderless democracy, I dunno?..

In any social situation, especially in a group dynamic, a leader is going to emerge, perhaps a few. There will be problems, as it is likely that a few similar personalities will go up for the same "crowning of the king" -- but overall I think people prefer construct and order to disarray, and I firmly believe that a leader of good quality can best unite a band or group of people. As you mentioned, that is precisely one of the reasons why intimate groups of people throughout history have had such a system -- for order, consistency and stability.

[Sarge47]

Good point mate, which brings us to the question- would survival groups do better with or without a leader?
Every tribe in every part of the world has had a chief or headman or Big Man on Campus since prehistoric times, so if it worked for them maybe it's still a good idea?
It's almost as if people automatically WANT and NEED a strong leader to follow.
Or would our groups do better as a leaderless democracy, I dunno?..

IMO it depends on the experience of the group. Members of the group lacking outdoor experience should have a leader/instructor. Even the US Marines teach, in their survival course, for the student groups to pick a leader. However if the group is made up of members with equal experience in the field then they need to work together instead. Dual Survival illustrated this point very well with both Cody and Dave, often at odds with each other's methods, working side-by-side none the less.

[Sarge47]

Good point mate, which brings us to the question- would survival groups do better with or without a leader?
Every tribe in every part of the world has had a chief or headman or Big Man on Campus since prehistoric times, so if it worked for them maybe it's still a good idea?
It's almost as if people automatically look to a strong leader to willingly follow.
Or would our groups do better as a leaderless democracy, I dunno?..
How about it Colonel?

"Son, you WANT me on that wall, you NEED me on that wall"
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Look out, here comes Crash...again!

[crashdive123]

Nah. Not yet.

[Winter]

That "again" thing really gets on my nerves, you would think that you would learn after the first time.....But, Nooooooooo.
Chest waders allow you to get deeper into it....before you get really wet.
Cell phone in plastic bag is a good thing.

Hahaha, I'm talking about sunken boats. I didn't do it.


Adventuring comes with certain risks.

[Winter]

I am surprised you haven't heard of Ruth, she is British.

I love Ray. He is my favorite out of all of them. Sarge, you need to learn how to surf youtube. I think most of Ray's stuff is on youtube. Winter, you need to watch his video on sharpening a knife in the field. He uses a falkniven DC3. Very good video. All his videos are great and I have learned more from him than any other TV guy.

That makes alot more sense for bushcraft than the other one I saw. Thanks

[Winter]

Sorry for the triple post.

Leaders.

A leader and a chain of command/authority work best if their powers are clearly defined. I abhor authority, but if I join a group with a charter than I have accepted that set of rules. I prefer rules over rulers and won't stand for people being subjugated.

The Charter also needs to clearly explain the process of problem solving and making new, or removing, rules.

Oh, wait, that's how America was supposed to be and lasted a mere decade before people found a way to abuse the rules.

[Sarge47]

With the #1 selection in the Wilderness Surival "Who Would You Take With You" Draft -- Warheit selects Bear Grylls of the United Kingdom.

*thunderous applause*

Much as it pains me I have to agree with Warheit...Bear knows where all the best Inns are! (running and ducking rotton eggs and tomatoes.)

[Rick]

Anyone can lead. Few people are leaders. Huge difference in my opinion.

[Sarge47]

Anyone can lead. Few people are leaders. Huge difference in my opinion.

I agree, In the military some "leaders are the guys walking point that get the 1st bullet! I was going to show a current example but can't without violating the "no politics" rule on this forum.

[hunter63]

Hahaha, I'm talking about sunken boats. I didn't do it.


Adventuring comes with certain risks.

Yes "adventuring" does make life interesting...... I do like the term "adventuring".

Haven't sunk any boats yet......several canoes have "gotten washed out".......but my biggest problem is the getting in to deep, syndrome.

We have an island that has been nick named "laundry island", for the number of times it has had "laundry" hanging up to dry.......Actually more of a floating bog, that will suck you down, or people just seem to "fall off'????.

BTW an old canvas decoy bag works good as emergency "drawers" while yours dry.

[crashdive123]

I've sunk a boat about a thousand times. Thankfully I've surfaced a boat just as many times. When the number of surfacings is less than the number of sinkings........that is a bad thing.

[Endworld Guy]

...I abhor authority...

Personally I only abhor authority if it's oppressive and bossy, but if it's fair-minded and decent, i have no prob with it at all.
For example I was admin/mod/2nd in command at a gaming/military discussion club for a few years and the atmosphere was great, I ran the place single handed while the Big Boss was at work or down the pub, but then he started making bad decisions and overuling me and wouldn't listen to reason, so i said to him "You're gonna have to get yerself another boy mate", and walked, and so did some other members.
The moral? - Weakening any group (whether a survival group or a club etc) by losing members is a sure sign that the leadership is shaky..

[Sarge47]

The moral? - Weakening any group (whether a survival group or a club etc) by losing members is a sure sign that the leadership is shaky..

Nonsense, sometimes you just need to "let the dead wood float." Sometimes you have to get rid of those that are being part of the problem rather than part of the solution. Sometimes a good leader will actually cut people from the group for the over-all good of the membership. Take this group for example. Oft-times we have to ban members who are trolls or spammers for the good of the group and/or the forum itself. It doesn't weaken the group, it makes it stronger!

[Rick]

Where does it say that the owner of anything doesn't have the right to do with it as they please? I agree with Sarge. I've seen a lot of successful groups of one kind or another that had terrible leaders. I've seen some groups where folks left and the leadership was outstanding. It has far more to do with the dynamics of the group and the personality types involved than whether the leadership is good or bad.