The target was small, but I managed to clout it through the outer ring at about 25 yards.
With a bead sight and stood up that’s not too bad.
I finished off with three blasts of No 4 birdshot and all three clouted home, the third one sending the entire target spinning up in the air
Then it was BnB’s turn.
"The totalitarian states can do great things, but there is one thing they cannot do: they cannot give the factory-worker a rifle and tell him to take it home and keep it in his bedroom. That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage, is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." - George Orwell
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He too hit home. His third shot missed, just going high, but with the ways of experience he explained that the third was a headshot.
Then, about an hour later two of the Cabineer’s showed up on ATV’s. One of them ‘Randy’ had a real power-house of a machine. It had heated grips, power-steering and even a front-mounted winch.
He generously let both BnB and myself have a ride on it.
I took the machine up to about 30 mph before backing it down and turning around. No need to Ozzy Osbourne the thing and end up in a heap.
One of them was the one who’d given the Oregon Kid a lift to the bus-station and we asked him about it briefly.
Either he wasn’t in a talking mood, or maybe he wanted to stay out of any other reason’s of the Kid’s sudden departure as he was very evasive and totally stand-offish.
After some friendly talk about this and that, including how Randy had gone ATVing at 0130 hrs to the top of a mountain (possibly with some ‘heavy fuel’ powering him!) and ended up duelling dogs and sheep, they roared away to their cabin’s.
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5 July
Today was the day of the rock! Mike started on digging around it at about 0600hrs, while I was in the land of fey dreams I awoke to noises of shovel on dirt and activity.
I joined him an hour or so later and I resumed the ordeal of come-along work. I had no luck and the morning ended with Mountain Mike losing his cool, in spectacular fashion, partly due to my ryder ideas clashing with his own mountain ones it must be said.
I heard a few seconds of distant clashing of metal on metal as MMM worked out his mountain rage. Better out than in I say.
This was did not set a bad vibe, as it’s a tough project, even with BnB’s assistance. If we are to build Mike’s Gulch there would be conflab’s like this from time to time.
The heat of the day crept in and Mike tackled the rock alone, like a determined automaton relentless in his mission.
In time’s like that I could tell it was time to let MMM attack the rock single-handed and he did.
He joined a second come-along onto the first and managed to move the entire rock over twelve inches.
Then, like an exhausted Trojan he retired to his tent to regenerate for more work with the coming dawn.
I too was busy on another project, inside the cabin-tent I had my ad-hoc gunsmithing table set up.
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I decided to tear down and rebuilding the Mossberg .22 repeater. As it was fresh out of the factory it had thick a grease-like substance resembling Vaseline on the bolt carrier assembly areas which needed removing and replacing with gun oil. Otherwise it would be prone to jamming.
It took me over 2 hours and nearly had me at the doorway to insanity. Many screws to contend with, plus two nightmare pins to remove with only my multi-tool to do it. Thankfully I had some allen key attachments which also were required.
The trigger mechanism removal to access the Bolt carrier assembly was such a fiddly and peculiar design I was almost resigned to calling out to BnB for help.
On re-assembly the trigger mech once again confounded me as I accidently bent the firing pin spring slightly which had me near incandesant with mountain rage.
I was tempted to hurl the entire weapon, spring and all to the four winds outside.
I managed to gather my way and, after another hour, had the entire weapon assembled and ready for test-firing later…
Later that afternoon we all tackled the rock once more!
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After a few hours it was nearly ready for a log rolling frame to be put underneath…
Then I put the Mossberg through it’s paces on the range.
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It didn’t jam once! Something I’d feared it may do due to the spring incident.
Mountain Mike had a go blasted off some rapid fire shooting, as did BnB.
Britzen cooked up a dish of delight for dinner just afterwards. This was a tasty thing, shepard’s pie with freshly baked bread from her solar oven no less.
Just as she was dishing up though, the heaven’s opened and the entire Mountain Hold soon got a thorough soaking!
Most of my gear was under shelter but some towels and gloves got wet. Worryingly the cabin-tent has a leak in the worst possible spot, above my air-mattress bed!
Thankfully the drip leak only shows when the rain get’s heavy. In fact it maybe sealed itself or something as in the later weeks it never leaked again in that area!
Before nightfall I decided to do some more project-work, this time by adding a precision ocular scope to the Mossberg .22
I had to remove the existing dove-tail mounts, then add weaver / picatinny one’s, otherwise the scope wouldn’t fit.
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After 30 minutes I had it on there and took in the difference.
It added a bit of weight to the rifle but the design of the weapon allows both it or the iron sights to be used, as well as allow carriage by the carrying handle.
Then it was to bed, where, as I type, another drip had just dinked onto the laptop!
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6th July
It rained through the night and the following morning the mountain was a different place in some ways.
The mosquito’s were subdued and docile along with the heat being way down.
Plenty of clouds and a few patches of sunlight here and there.
BnB, MMM and I tackled the rock once again in the morning.
After a few hours of that we separated onto separate projects.
An area of MMM’s collapsed shed complex was still intact and it looked a feasible area to repair and clear out for storage of gear.
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After getting the nod from Mountain Mike I set about building a ramp assembly of logs and pallets to ascend up to the area.
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It would need a door eventually but at least when the springs flowed in that area it would be above the waterline.
The Y2K Catche!
An old stash of Mike’s had been in storage for over a decade and it had some pinto beans MMM wished to gift to BnB and Britzen.
Getting it out of the shed complex was a nightmare, at one point I nearly slide off the roof! With Ryder luck and scrambling I managed to get into a good position to film the antics of MMM accessing the 55 gallon steel drum.
It fell down next to my tent, fortunately it landed on it’s head and didn’t roll, otherwise my sleeping quarters would have been battered to oblivion!
Opening it up was a revelation, it had been sealed up in 1999 and for nearly 13 years had been in storage. Even the collapse of the roof had not affected it.
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Every item inside was in immaculate condition and I made sure to film the moment…
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Later on Randy showed up and invited us all to his place.
His cabin has a shower and plumbed in toilet! He kept offering the use of it and I took him up on that offer.
Liberal Mark showed up making teenage noises and being bothersome in general.
I made moves to a distant valley cliff and took in the scenery. Even from there I could here LM’s voice criticising Idaho for an unknown reason which echoed over to me.
Understandably Britzen and BnB did not take to LM much.
Randy’s relatives arrived and it was time to go soon after.
Once back at the Mountain Hold Britzen weaved her cookery wand and rustled up another dish of delight.
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After an hour of sitting around the campfire chatting Britzen made a faux pas by criticising Mike’s food procurement plan’s in such a way to grind his gears.
Without going in to the machinery of it this is what I summarize it as:
MMM’s long-term survival plan in the event of a TEOTWAWKI seemed perfectly feasible to me, especially with the minimal people living in the area and the hostile wilderness conditions Britzen reckoned the homesteading farm was key post collapse.
Formidible Britzen was respectful of course, if a little brusque, unswerving and untactful.
I wish I’d recorded Mike’s lyrical and impassioned response as it was pure gold. It went up and down, left and right with striding moves and flourishes, plus a glare or too in her direction.
Mike even remarked, as an aside in a joking manner that, with all my camera doings, inquisitive ways and unknown element’s I could be a CIA / MI6 operative!
I never laughed as hard in week’s at that one, I made a mental note to needle him about that in the coming days.
"The totalitarian states can do great things, but there is one thing they cannot do: they cannot give the factory-worker a rifle and tell him to take it home and keep it in his bedroom. That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage, is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." - George Orwell
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July 7th
Today Britzen and BnB left the Mountain Hold.
BnB had been having issue’s dealing with the high elevation also Britzen had pressing work engagements elsewhere in the US.
Before they departed though BnB lent a hand on the rock in the morning.
We’d managed to move the rock several more feet using a car-jack, come-alongs and shovelling. Only a few feet more and it would almost be in position.
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They left some food supplies and even a solar cooker. In exchange Mike bartered some pinto beans from the big storage drum.
After wishing-well and farewells they were away on their long journey across the stateline…
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Then I returned to the Shed complex for more tidying and preparing the area for storage.
While I was reinforcing the pallet’s with more wood and nails I struck my thumb nail with a clout from the ‘lump’ hammer.
I was using the wrong tool for the job, a lighter hammer would have been far more efficient.
I also wasn’t wearing my yellow ‘waldo’ gloves but the thinner ones I’d normally have for delicate work.
As I jumped about in agony I clouted a few dead trees and mother earth with the lumping thing.
After about two hours I realised the swelling from my thumb would be an issue, especially when it’s a nail injury. I’ve had these before on the oil platforms, if you don’t ‘trefine’ or relieve the pressure, the thumbnail can drop off.
Grimly taking my storm lighter and safety pin I heated it up and carefully pierced a hole in the nail, just underneath the red area.
Compared to the specialist tool a surgeon uses (a thick, broad, blunted heat wire with wards to prevent it going too deep) I had to be careful.
If I applied too much pressure the needle would go halfway through my thumb, too little and it would go nowhere.
After about 3 minutes I’d gotten through the nail and pricked flesh.
That was the ‘pilot’ hole complete, I then widened it with a thicker safety pin.
Not a pleasant experience, but the swelling eased off greatly and the healing benefits outweighed the small pain.
A tiny speck of discolouration showed at the nail-bed and that was the end of the first-aid drama
"The totalitarian states can do great things, but there is one thing they cannot do: they cannot give the factory-worker a rifle and tell him to take it home and keep it in his bedroom. That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage, is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." - George Orwell
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8th July
MMM got his ATV out of storage today and it’s battery still had some charge.
We got the tires pumped up on it and the scrambler bike.
I cleared an area for a 100 yard firing range, paced out the distance, set up the swing target and looked for a decent firing position.
A lot of survivalists and preppers make noises about guns and so on, but don’t even zero them in or become proficient with them. I intended to zero in the Mossberg in the coming days.
A pallet and a log at first will do for a makeshift bench-rest.
It rained on and off for part of the day.
Saw a pine-marten mooching about near Mike’s bunker. I caught the tail movement disappearing around a corner. Then about a minute later I noticed it’s inquisitive face peering out from the shadows underneath the shed-complex. It had a nice grey and tan coat with a somewhat bush tail. Kind of like a cross between a weasel and a fox I guess. Although it’s somewhat longer than a fox.
It was a curious little thing and came within about six feet of me, before moving away again.
I had my camera, but I felt it would of scurried away at any sudden movements like that. Maybe another day I’ll get it filmed…
Tomorrow is internet update day, along with binning some trash from the Mountain Hold. I wonder how all the videos I’ve uploaded are doing?
10th July
We didn’t get back to the mountain hold until just before 2300 hrs.
The next morning I was making breakfast at Kitchen Canopy when I heard a strange accented voice calling up from the road.
I looked down and saw a man and a small boy standing there.
At first I thought it was Biathalon and his son but MMM said it was not him, but Alfred, the eccentric Dutch-American who’d finally returned to his mountain cabin.
He’d found it in good condition save for the chimney pipe being damaged and requiring attention. Hence his visit to the Mountain Hold.
I shook hands with him, noting his grip was not that of a weak and frail geriatric.
He was in his late 70s, his eye’s were as blue as mine and they certainly gleamed with a friendly nature.
His grandson was as all-american as they get, blonde hair and like a child from the 1950s, all innocent yet happy-go-lucky with the life he had. Definitely not a big-city-kid and MMM told me that he wanted for nothing, although Alfred did not let him couch potato it while staying at his cabin.
On the way to his Cabin we spoke of some our experiences with Israel, mine while working and adventuring in Asia and he from his friendship with a young lady from there who studied in the USA.
There was something of the adventurer about this man, he had an ocean-going boat moored off a port in either Oregon or Washington. MMM told me that Alf could out-hike even him until recent years.
It took for quite a while but we’d made it to his cabin.
A nice cabin it was too. Even nice than Randy’s, for it had a 1000 gallon water tank with an auto-replenishment system from the spring.
Plumbing for a toilet, hot-water shower and even a basement level for a workshop and storage!
Including the basement it had three floors.
We didn’t have too much time to look it over as Alf went over his issue with the Chimney Stove.
During the winter the top had blown off and certain parts were missing. Not only was the rain and snow going to get in, but Alfred had a deceased visitor greet him on opening his stove up!
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That cap needed fixing but he was no roofer and asked if MMM and I could go up and fix it instead!
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MMM wasn’t too keen on climbing the roof also, so WR had to step up to the plate as it were.
Fortunately I have worked on sloping roof’s before in the UK with my Uncle Garth so I was fairly confident.
Even so MMM asked me if I had insurance, to which I told him of course that I hadn’t any as it was against my self-reliant belief’s.With that we got started.
We took out a step-ladder and ‘cat’ ladder first of all.
Putting the step ladder on the balcony under the roof Alf did a good job tying it off to his inside balcony.
It would be used to clamber up to the Cat-ladder we’d have going up the sloping roof.
When it was secure I took some rope, anchored it to the end of the cat-ladder and threw it over the roof to the other side of the house.
I made sure I wrapped it in gloves as the caribineer on the end might of ended up smashing a window or worse.
Getting the cat ladder up was ok once we’d extended it a bit. MMM was on the other side and he helped haul it up
Then I clambered on up.
Alf insisted I use a rope to tie myself onto something in case I fall. So I tied a rolling clove-hitch onto ridge-end of ladder rung and left enough slack to get out to the work area.
(I must say that although at first I reckoned Alf’s safety-first mindset reminded me of work back in Europe it did pay off I think as my way would have been more dangerous.)
Getting to the end-unit of the chimney was easy. Removing it from it’s tight grip with the lower end was not the cinch I thought it would be.
When these things are installed they are a very flush fit indeed.
I at first figured it was a screw-in, screw-out job. It was not.
It was instead a ridge-lock fit; About six or seven ‘ridges’ ringed the circumference and I had to wiggle them all out.
With the summer heat blasting down on me Alf shouted up word’s of friendly encouragement.
“Take your time”, “No rush now.” “Do you need any tools?” And other such words creep up from below.
I thought I might need a hammer but tried a long successive amount of jerks and pulls.
Finally with a shout and a ‘bing’ of metal on metal I had it off, nearly losing my balance a bit and wavering backwards.
I recovered though and Alf said to cast down the object, which resembled a strange flying saucer.
I did this and then took in the view of the mountains before clambering on down.
Alf made both MMM and I a tasty lunch then made arrangements to pick up the replacement part the following day.
I didn’t bring my camera for the removal part, but will do so for the installation.
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This is the cap that went back on...
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Once back at the Mountain Hold Mike and I remarked on the days doings.Then I got back to some projects.
One of which is setting up a firing position on the range and zeroing the .22 carbine.
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Rangework
I gathered an old pallet, two thick logs, some mesh sacking bundled together, some padded material and hessian to waterproof it in.
That was my bench rest set-up. It’s only good for prone position firing but I don’t mind prone-firing.
I set the range target at roughly 90-100 yards using the pacing method.
Then I tried zeroing it with some Remington CeeBee subsonic ammo. The first two shots I took were duds, the primers failed to fire the main charge.
The remaining three rounds failed to cycle the working parts. The sound report was fairly muted though.
Making a mental note to return the ammo at a later resupply date I switched to the more reliable Winchester high-velocity rounds.
It took me a few go’s but after some adjustments I had the swing target registering constant hits.
Then it was time to finish as the raindrops began and soon turned into some heavy showers…
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Hey, thanks for the up-date........very cool......sounds like things are going well.....
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Not sure why Watch Ryder has not posted updates in this thread. He is writing a book or two though among some other things.
I am not on the net much either but I try to post when necessary.
I see that WR has posted quite a few videos which I still have to download some more of those and watch them.
Hope none are embarrassing especially to me.
Such as this one which looks like a pic of a skinny guy at a Siberian forced labor camp>
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Maybe I will create a new thread about the bunker shootout video but not sure how it would go over even in this good forum.
It has been seen by quite a few in other places and liked by many but hated by too many also.
My bunker is mainly for secure storage and a good tornado / storm shelter but the following video shows what could happen If raiders were to attack ! This video was also made by Watch Ryder and I just for fun last August 2012 but also to show the bunker in action >
Trailer - Plz watch this first!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az3B6tAB1tQ
Raiders of the Mountain Hold and the bunker in action! >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQXkNEE_lns
And This post will hopefully explain what is shown in the bunker shooting video. Some people might only have dial up, like I have had most of my internet life but they likely can view pics. They are just snapshots from the vid so won't be high quality. Wish the video could have been high definition even in full screen but take it for what it is worth >
This pic shows the beginning of the driveway into Mike's Gulch and shows some grouse walking along the road. They seem tame but really are wild birds >
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This pic shows me hitting WR on the back to wake him up while he is supposed to be watching the road. >
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Watch Ryder whom I will refer to as WR watching the road near the bunker. I like the small screen showing the bike rider >
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One of several places to shoot out from and near the bunker. This is just right outside the front door which I later quickly entered after running out of ammo in that gun >
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Using the periscope to look out the main porthole out of the bunker which looks down on the private dirt road, before I put my head there to look and shoot out >
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Looking out of the main porthole out of the bunker >
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Ammo cans which may or may not be full of all kinds of ammo. Some do only have papers in them. Plus an army backpack etc. >
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3 of the guns used in this video. ID them if you wish >
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WR shooting out of the bunker. This pic is when he shoots himself - the guy trying to blow up the bunker. Took lots of time to create this video which I take little credit in making it. I just furnished most of the props, land, bunker etc. am in a few scenes. >
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The explosion outside the bunker after the guy tried to blow it up. This explosion was made from quite a few firecrackers bunched together. Wyoming does sell many kinds of firecrackers unlike most states including Colorado. > Guests can not see images in the messages. Please register in the forum.
The top of the periscope after it was put up out of the bunker to look out >
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Right after the periscope was shot up. I purposefully did not make the periscope too well, just with clear tape holding it together. But it did work with the two mirrors. And those plants are Not marijuana, just stinging nettles which are good to have by the back trap door >
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Me looking at the shot up periscope. I did wear a green metal helmet but someday will paint it Olive drab - I only had that green paint last summer. And notice the concrete wall which is the only concrete wall in the bunker, most of it is made of logs >
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Me shooting out of the bunker out of the main porthole and notice the inset pic of the outside >
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MM Mike shooting wearing the red ear muff hearing protection. Needed it shooting in that enclosed area, although I always wear hearing protection in noisy areas >
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This is a pic of one of the attackers although it is actually me wearing the black helmet with a molotov cocktail about ready to hit the front steel door. I was Not going to risk burning down this bunker which took me 10 summers to build. I wet down the area and had 10 gallons of water on hand. Not too easy handling that fiery bottle but no danger. The things I do for the internet >
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The fiery explosion when the fiery cocktail hit the black front steel door. And it might seem like the end but just wanted an exciting ending. The fire and explosion did no damage except a little burned paint. >
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And as I have said I had little to do with creating this video. I did not make up the story, the scenes, plot or the way it ended etc. But I do like it overall and really I have no criticisms of this video.
IF any out there must criticize this bunker shooting video please say why you don't like it. And what could be done to make it better. Thanks.
My bunker ( which I suppose I should just call an underground cabin ) is mainly for secure storage and a good storm shelter but the following video shows what could happen If raiders were to attack ! This video was also made just for fun but also to show the bunker in action. This is the 8 minute long version which tells more of this fictional story >
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MM thanks for posting, that's a lot of work.....Well done.
Been awhile, glad you checked in.
Y'all have a back door?
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Thanks for the response hunter. I guess I will post the bunker shootout video in its own thread and see if many will respond or even like it.Originally Posted by hunter63
And I do have a back door about 20 feet from the front black steel door.
Back trap door showing 3 foot thick rock and concrete roof. Took 250 eighty pound bags of concrete mix to make the concrete roof. I try to improve the bunker / underground shelter every summer. I did remove the stuff in the small hole next to the back door and I use that small hole for a wood stovepipe or even to raise the periscope. I must make a new periscope since the one shown in the video got shot up >
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Hmmmm...
Didn't Colorado just pass an "Assault Rifle ban?".........
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Good question and maybe someone else knows for sure since I am not following the latest news too close.Didn't Colorado just pass an "Assault Rifle ban?".........
And one more reason I am glad I bought my mtn place Not in Colorado but in southern Wyoming, in 1987. The bunker and bunker shootout video was created on my remote mountain retreat last August.
I also helped make that bunker shootout video to show that it is still possible to own a bunker and even shoot high capacity "assault" weapons. Even use a molotov cocktail on my front steel bunker door although it was not a true molotov cocktail since it was only gasoline in the bottle. And took a couple tries to get that "explosion" at the end of the video.
I am in Greeley, Colorado right now until June but I camp, work and Live on my mtn place from June to Nov. every year since 1999. Soon hope to move to Wyoming permanently and let CO and the rest of the world go nanny socialist - whatever. I think WY is one of the last old fashioned free states and hope it does not go the way of most of the rest of the world. But it is good to have a remote mtn retreat where likely even the government won't bother with such small "pickins"
Last edited by Mtnman Mike; 03-16-2013 at 11:37 AM.
I agree, WY is a very good state! And yes, Colorado DID indeed pass that stupid bill. I'm glad I left! ......
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