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    Default Glock performance......????

    What size group should be expected from a G-22



    Not from a master shooter, or a super tuned Glock-22.

    But a out of the box, over a rest, at say 25 Yards.....? And not for 3 rounds but say 25 rounds, 5 rounds at a time, with rest and cool down in between so one knows what the given ammo and firearm can be expected to do.

    Yes I know that I am the only one in the world who can't hit "tacks" or even beer cans at 100 yards.

    I fired 20 rounds each in my G-22 and my G-24C today and the G-22RTF out performed the G-24C (Me not happy with the results).


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    See? I knew it. Sparky stirred him up with tack driver thing.
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    Judge not yourself by others standards but by what you need and want. personally i find it great to shoot one hole at whatever the distance is, but sadly thats not reality. try this, Shoot your target whatever it is and do your best. then take a life size target ( can be cut out of poster board) and hold it over your shot pattern. If all goes in the center mass portion of the cut out then you have dont the job to protect you and your family. The objective is to stop the threat. The contest is they want to do something that you dont want them to do. mwp

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwp View Post

    The objective is to stop the threat. The contest is they want to do something that you dont want them to do. mwp

    YES, They want to "EAT" Me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    What size group should be expected from a G-22



    Not from a master shooter, or a super tuned Glock-22.

    But a out of the box, over a rest, at say 25 Yards.....? And not for 3 rounds but say 25 rounds, 5 rounds at a time, with rest and cool down in between so one knows what the given ammo and firearm can be expected to do.

    Yes I know that I am the only one in the world who can't hit "tacks" or even beer cans at 100 yards.

    I fired 20 rounds each in my G-22 and my G-24C today and the G-22RTF out performed the G-24C (Me not happy with the results).
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    SD I am really surprised you did not go with the Glock 20, espically in your environment!

    What I have read about the 22 is one thing and what I see at the range is another. On the internet and in the gun rags they all shoot 2 inch groups at 25. At the range I see "bad ammo, bad wind, bad targets, too much beer the night before or too much coffee the morning of" all of which put Glock 22 in the "lucky to stay on a dinner plate at 7 yards" classification. It is often a traumatic excperience for first time purchasers. It is also the reason I have not found a Glock I will part with my hard earned money to obtain.

    The Glock 22 is not known for its accuracy. All in the torso at 15 yards= yes. (and I mean all over the torso) Head shots at 25= no.

    That particular model prides itself on reliability over accuracy, and just like with any other automatic handgun it is a trade-off. The 22 is known for lose fit, a sloppy chamber and less than the best barrels. (sounds like a 1911 right?)

    It also does not seem to matter which generation you buy, so do not fall for that old "You should have gotten the generation 12 model, they cured all the problems with that one!"

    Buying the "match barrel" does seem to help. Some of the guys at the club are able to keep their shots on the 8" disk at 15 yards if they switch to the match barrel and have a trigger job done.

    And now the flaming begins!
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    I have owned two different Glock 20 firearms, and now own no Glock 20's. I do have a Kimber 1911 in 10MM. Well I guess the results I got were good with the G 22 & G 24C. I just expected the G 24C with the longer sight radius to shoot more Goooder than the G 22. For twenty shots the G 24C shot 4 1/8" with no real flyers. The G 22RTF for twenty shots was 3 7/8" with one clear flyer, if I throw out the one flyer it was 2 3/4" for 19 shots.

    I am not a great handgun shooter, and that was shooting with both hands resting on the truck mirror. So overall I am happy with the results, but for $880.00 I expected more from the G 24C. I wil repeat the test when I get back from Kodiak Island.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ky
    That particular model prides itself on reliability over accuracy
    At least it's reassuring to know that even if I won't be able to hit the assailant that is about to kill me at least my firearm won't FTF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    At least it's reassuring to know that even if I won't be able to hit the assailant that is about to kill me at least my firearm won't FTF.

    Rick, pulverize one of your "Viagra" pills and mix with some light oil. Feed just a small amount to the rails. This should solve your "FAILURE TO FUNCTION" problems.

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    But I don't have to. I'm reliable just not accurate. See above.
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    An average shooter should consistantly have a 12" group up to 60yds for a pistol. Pistols are designed as a close encouter self defense tool. Can you get better than that? Sure! But it isn't "you suck at this" if you don't.
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    12" group at 60 yards? I must suck hard at handgun shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter View Post
    12" group at 60 yards? I must suck hard at handgun shooting.
    That is a take your time and concentrate type shooting. If you can't take your time and acquire a 12" group at 50-60yds, how the heck are you going to hit a 12" target (center mass kill zone) at 20yds when your life depends on it?!
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    Here I always thought that the large magizines were for "spray and pray" action, you mean you are suppose to actually aim them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by natertot View Post
    An average shooter should consistantly have a 12" group up to 60yds for a pistol. Pistols are designed as a close encouter self defense tool. Can you get better than that? Sure! But it isn't "you suck at this" if you don't.
    You guys are actually believing what you read in the gun magazines! The average shooter can barely keep their shots on the wood while shooting inside a barn! I watch a lot of "average" shooters at the range, they scare me to death!

    The national match competition is at 50 yards (I do not know why you are using 60 yard reference? Just a number?) The black is 8". The X ring is 4".

    As far as I know no one has ever kept all their shots in the X ring in sanctioned competition. That is with the use of slicked over pistols set up for match shooting. Many of these shooters will spend $5,000 working on a $500 pistol to shoot these matches.

    12" groups at either 50 or 60 yards with a box stock pistol is far better than "average" shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyratshooter View Post
    You guys are actually believing what you read in the gun magazines! The average shooter can barely keep their shots on the wood while shooting inside a barn! I watch a lot of "average" shooters at the range, they scare me to death!

    The national match competition is at 50 yards (I do not know why you are using 60 yard reference? Just a number?) The black is 8". The X ring is 4".

    As far as I know no one has ever kept all their shots in the X ring in sanctioned competition. That is with the use of slicked over pistols set up for match shooting. Many of these shooters will spend $5,000 working on a $500 pistol to shoot these matches.

    12" groups at either 50 or 60 yards with a box stock pistol is far better than "average" shooting.
    I use sixty yds because that is three times the distance that over 90% of shootings take place. A 12" circle at 60yds is very attainable with stock pistols wit practice. After that, you just gotta maintain the ability. If you shoot regularly, it shouldn't be a problem.
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    My Ruger P95 9mm shoots great! I've put about 1000 rounds threw it already and I've had no issues. It groups really well to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wingman View Post
    My Ruger P95 9mm shoots great! I've put about 1000 rounds threw it already and I've had no issues. It groups really well to.

    How Well........does it shoot?

    Really everyone says my firearm is accurate. No one ever Say's "every Sat. I shoot 50 rounds, 20 slow fire, 20 double tap, and 5 as fast as I can. and they have been doing it for years. And can state exactly what the results will be.

    I am not dissing you. It is just that Everyone and I do mean everone Say's "It is a Tack Driver" or I can hit rocks 100% of the time (How big are those rocks), or any other vague assessment. "I can hit beer cans at 300 yards". You never hear someone say, "I know my firearm so well that I will bet you $100.00 that I can shoot (Pick any number) size group for 25 shots or 50 shots at 25 yards.

    Again I am not disrespecting you Wingman, everyone does it. Really everyone should start challenging their friends on their firearms ability.

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    I wouldn't say it's a tack driver but for about 300 dollars it does the job at 25 yards pretty well.

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    I have very limited experience with firearms. I have an SKS with over 600 rounds , a Savage .22 with two boxes I've been shooting out of, and a 20 guage break action (all which got stolen by some pygmies) and none of them hasn't been shot in well over a year, perhaps two. But I feel as though a lot of gun talk is related to the best survival knife. One grind or caliber not superior to all others. What works well for one may not work for another. It all depends on the user and their experience and preference.
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    I get what you're saying, SD. I've never met a single person that ever went to Vegas and lost either. You said something one time about doing jumping jacks at the range, which sounded like a reasonable thing to do. So far, I'm the only one I've ever seen do it. I must admit I do get some strange looks. Personally, I don't know squat about MOA shooting or how fast one load travels vs. another. All I want to do is stop some bad guy faster than he stops me. To that end I'd practice throwing my weapon if I thought it would help.
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