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    Default Reloading for shotgun w/black powder and brass casings

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgzqA...feature=relmfu

    I ran across this three part series on you tube and thought I would share it. He seems to make sense and it is frankly something I had not thought about (using black powder for reloading for a modern shotgun). Seems an economic low tech alternative or addition to preps.
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    Well, my thanks for posting this. I had never seen the brass shells before. Here's a vid from Midway USA that gives a quick demo on loading as well as some tools used. While this is for 10 gauge I'm sure other gauges are available.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhqcId8ZnCQ

    And on cleaning them.

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    My pleasure . I have been doing some more reading and it seems to be one of those "duuuhh" moments. The only real "glitch" (and not that much of a biggy for a foraging shotgun) is it seems onl really practical for "break open" shotguns. Makes it almost dummy proof for those of us that do not do reloading normally
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    I watched Dave C do this in his youtube series, I don't agree with everything he did to that shotgun, but I thought the brass shells were kind of cool.
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    Dave C did a cut down shot shell, which frankly I don't agree with, he was trying to be cool, but as you saw on the Midway vid, there is no reason to cut down the shell as Dave showed.

    Plastic shell can be loaded the same a brass, you just meed to know the proper load as you would with any re-loading.

    I pour and re-load 12 gauge slugs, but use the old style Lee Loader (bop a mole) only because it has the sizer, primer installer tool as well as the final crimper.
    No reason you can't re-load with standard tools.

    Bottom line is you still need primers, powder and shot......
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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter63 View Post
    Dave C did a cut down shot shell, which frankly I don't agree with, he was trying to be cool, but as you saw on the Midway vid, there is no reason to cut down the shell as Dave showed.

    Plastic shell can be loaded the same a brass, you just meed to know the proper load as you would with any re-loading.

    I pour and re-load 12 gauge slugs, but use the old style Lee Loader (bop a mole) only because it has the sizer, primer installer tool as well as the final crimper.
    No reason you can't re-load with standard tools.

    Bottom line is you still need primers, powder and shot......
    Ya, I agree. I don't know why he cut down the plastic shell... But he also did the brass shell and plastic shells without cutting them down.
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    I have reloaded many BP shotgun shells over the years, in about every guage available.

    The plastic shells will not hold up to more than one reload with black powder. It burns through the plastic hulls. It works that first time but do not count on dozens of reloads from each shell case. That is why they use the brass cases for BP, and buddy boy they are expensive!

    One good thing about the BP in shot shells is that you can not get enough BP in the case to blow the gun up. New primer, scoop of powder, wad of paper and dipper of shot on top, press it down with about 80 pounds preasure, close the crimp and you are done. Do not leave any air space with BP, it likes to be compressed.

    Keeping BP as a prep has its merit. It is universal, you can load anything with black you can load with smokeless and never blow the gun up. You may not get full power and you might really clog up an AR/AK, but any real gun will still go boom repeatedly. It will also ignite even with weak primers and you can blow stumps out of the ground with it, no detonator needed, or you can use it as the detonator for larger charges of whatever you have.

    Except for the smoke you would not notice any difference in a 30-30 and any of the large capacity revolver cases work well with BP and most large capacity rifle cases.

    Many well respected cartridges we still use started as BP rounds: .303 Brit, .45 lc, .44 spl, .38spl,
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    I don't know why fool with black powder. Make up some dippers for smokeless and go that route, cleaner too. I have a few boxes of all brass 12 gauge that take a small pistol primer along with wads. I've been going to load up a few for old times sakes. I think it was well over 35 years ago when my dad taught me how to load a shotgun shell with home made tools. Somewhere on the forum there is a thread about this and Kyrat gave a run down on the process.

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    Coupel of things to think about......
    Black powder is getting hard to come by...considered an "explosive), rather that a propellant.
    True... Black powder can be 'made" as will be brought up,... but isn't fool proof and still need components that aren't available just anywhere.

    Modern shotgun powder and a lot of pistol powders are the same....

    So I have to ask, in a have to load your own situation, and starting with nothing.....What would you want to stock?...Black powder or pistol/shotgun powder?

    Answer of course,.... is both,.... but add a flintlock muzzle-loader for when you run out of primers......
    Still good to know, good vids....always helps to have options.
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    That what I tell the wife "got to have options" LOL

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    It is best to be very cautious when speaking with your wife and using the expression "got to have options", especially if they are the suspicious type and have no sense of humor.
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    I didn't say anything about the spice of life. I talking guns and ammo, rototillers and tractors, knives and axes, tools and more tools and more tools. LOL, that kind of stuff, I'm not crazy. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy
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    Rick, are you having a conversation with yourself again? yea, yea, I know that's the only way you can have a intelligent conversation. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyt View Post
    I didn't say anything about the spice of life. I talking guns and ammo, rototillers and tractors, knives and axes, tools and more tools and more tools. LOL, that kind of stuff, I'm not crazy. LOL
    Forgot trailers, boats, trucks........But yeah...options, just don't keep them all in the same place....
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    The point is having the knowledge!

    Knowledge gives you the "options" more than trying to have some of everything in a dozen different places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter63 View Post
    Forgot trailers, boats, trucks........But yeah...options, just don't keep them all in the same place....

    Ya, ya, for me it's yamaha rhino, yamaha kodiak, chainsaws, sawmills , planers, generators etc.

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