What's different?

[Sparky93]

What I hate more about high school weapons policies is the no pocket knife rule. You can't keep a folding knife with a 1.5" blade in your pocket, but you can carry a baseball bat down the hallway and put in your locker, just because a baseball bat doesn't have a sharp edge on it. In a fight, I would much rather have the baseball bat than the pocket knife... just say'n....

[BENESSE]

What I hate more about high school weapons policies is the no pocket knife rule. You can't keep a folding knife with a 1.5" blade in your pocket, but you can carry a baseball bat down the hallway and put in your locker, just because a baseball bat doesn't have a sharp edge on it. In a fight, I would much rather have the baseball bat than the pocket knife... just say'n....

So there you go. All's well, after all.

[LowKey]

As a side not, why is it that most of the accidental discharges involve a cop, a Glock, or both?

I have an answer for that from a LEO teaching a multiweapons safety class. He said, a Glock is standard police issue and a large number of officers only take the gun out for qualification. The thing about a Glock is you have to pull the trigger to disassemble it for cleaning. You really should check the chamber first.... Another LEO taking the class chuckled and the instructor asked him, "How many holes in the floor?". The answer, "Embarrassing to say."

[2dumb2kwit]

So there you go. All's well, after all.

If your intention is to fight. Thing is, I would think that is not the reason most people carry a knife.

[kyratshooter]

But the educational establishment attempts to present itself as the ideal example of liberal ideology at work.

A couple of people have a problem with responsibility so you deprive everyone of their right to make a wise decision. That should end the problem, correct? Zero tolerance for plastic knives in the lunch sack should put an end to psycos blowing people away in the cafiteria.

Not only do these policies fail socially, they are failing educationally also.

I was on one side or the other of the classroom desk from 1956 until Janurary of this year. By the end of that time I had seen the schools turned from educational institutions to socialist training camps. I got so sick of it that by the end I could puke on call at any hour of the day or night!

It may also be noted that I carried a pocket knife to school every day I attended, except when I was teaching in the prison system. In all those years I never harmed a soul with any of those knives I carried. Fact was that many times the teacher would ask me into the hall, borrow my pocket knife, then return it when finished with their task. By the end of my career my colleagues would gasp when they saw my SAK Classic on my keychain! I never told them about the linerlock in my pocket, the exacto blade sewn into my belt or the P3AT that was sometimes strapped to my ankle. They would have had an appaplexic fit!

There is nothing like having a student specifically ask, "What are you going to do to protect us if we have a shooting?" Your official answer MUST be, "We will lock the door and hide in the corner."

I gave this prescribed answer in one class where one of the students was the son of a close friend. He was rolling on the floor in uncontrollable laughter as I spouted off the "Lockdown procedure". Finally he got control of himself and asked, "OK what are we really going to do?"

The students were greatly relieved that I had actually thought about the process of keeping them safe and had a real plan that involved their cooperation in insuring their protection and had equipped the classroom for their safety. I believe that I was one of the few teachers in the U.S. that had a second floor classroom equipped with a scaling ladder.

I do not advocate students going armed at the high school level, but I also do not advocate stripping everyone of their privacy to insure compliance that can not be insured anyway.

One school I taught experienced a problem with girls smuggling drugs into the school hidden in GUESS WHAT???? TAMPON TUBES!!!

Yes, they attempted to ban the use or possession of tampons on school property!!!!!!

How did that go over????? Not too well!!!

Just because you have a Phd in Edicational Administration does not insure you have crap for brains!!!

[Rick]

The basic differences to the original question are that you are dealing with a mind that does not fully develop until around the age of 24. Knowing the difference between right and wrong isn't enough. You also have to fully grasp the consequences of your actions. Yes, I've been to gun shows and there were more than a few brains that hadn't developed and they were way older than 24 but I digress. I don't know how it is where you live but you are not allowed to carry inside a gun show here. There are LEO at the door and you don't walk in armed. If you do, you don't stay armed very long. You can pick it up on the way out.

I, too, carried a shotgun in my car during hunting season. Everyone at school did but that was in 1968, too. This isn't 1968 anymore and it has nothing to do with the educational system, the political system or the digestive system. It has a lot more to do with moral system but short of getting off into religion I'll leave it at that.

[crashdive123]

You can carry in shows here, but not loaded. The LEO at the door will put a zip tie through the chamber or barrel.

[2dumb2kwit]

The basic differences to the original question are that you are dealing with a mind that does not fully develop until around the age of 24. Knowing the difference between right and wrong isn't enough. You also have to fully grasp the consequences of your actions. Yes, I've been to gun shows and there were more than a few brains that hadn't developed and they were way older than 24 but I digress. I don't know how it is where you live but you are not allowed to carry inside a gun show here. There are LEO at the door and you don't walk in armed. If you do, you don't stay armed very long. You can pick it up on the way out.

I, too, carried a shotgun in my car during hunting season. Everyone at school did but that was in 1968, too. This isn't 1968 anymore and it has nothing to do with the educational system, the political system or the digestive system. It has a lot more to do with moral system but short of getting off into religion I'll leave it at that.

I wasn't talking about arming the the 3rd grade social studies students. LOL

[2dumb2kwit]

You can carry in shows here, but not loaded. The LEO at the door will put a zip tie through the chamber or barrel.

Same here and in Va.

[hunter63]

Same here, get the tie, get the proper "dot' and walk around, don't need it cased , and a lot of sales are 'private sales' and are presented this way for sale.

As far as the OP goes, a gun show has a large number of like minded people armed and a lots of guns around.....But everyone know it.
Most shooting occur when some one tried taking unfair advantage of a situation, or others, with a one sided cowardly fight.......won't find that at a show.

Go armed to anywhere that has restrictions and 'impose your will'...tougher to do when things are equal

[Rick]

I wasn't talking about arming the the 3rd grade social studies students. LOL

And 3rd graders would have to ask the teacher to help pull the trigger. The shootings are mostly the 18 something black coat wearing, social site visiting, ear ring wearers. I always put the stink eye on a guy with an ear ring. Something ain't right about that. I think Face Book should develop an app if you post that you are going to, "Do something great tomorrow" or "I'll show them tomorrw" that your key board whacks you in the head in an effort to knock some sense into you. Did I go too far with that one? Just curious.

[hunter63]

LOL, no not to far....but I gotta say, I haven't heard "the old stink eye" lately......

[2dumb2kwit]

And 3rd graders would have to ask the teacher to help pull the trigger. The shootings are mostly the 18 something black coat wearing, social site visiting, ear ring wearers. I always put the stink eye on a guy with an ear ring. Something ain't right about that. I think Face Book should develop an app if you post that you are going to, "Do something great tomorrow" or "I'll show them tomorrw" that your key board whacks you in the head in an effort to knock some sense into you. Did I go too far with that one? Just curious.

Not far enough, I'd say.
(And a lot of problems would be avoided if some parents would pay attention....and whack their kids in the back of the head.)

[Old GI]

The Colorado Supreme Court ruled that universities/colleges in Colorado have to allow CCW.

Also, I work on a DoD installation and cannot carry even in my vehicle (just my luck, I'll be subjected to the random searches or something would happen). Sooo, I don't carry when I go to work nor at any times there is a possibility that I have to go on-base. "Profession of Arms" anyone? Would the death/wounded toll have been so great at Fort Hood if CCW was allowed at least for GIs?

[2dumb2kwit]

The Colorado Supreme Court ruled that universities/colleges in Colorado have to allow CCW.

Also, I work on a DoD installation and cannot carry even in my vehicle (just my luck, I'll be subjected to the random searches or something would happen). Sooo, I don't carry when I go to work nor at any times there is a possibility that I have to go on-base. "Profession of Arms" anyone? Would the death/wounded toll have been so great at Fort Hood if CCW was allowed at least for GIs?

I had the same question, about the students at Va. tech.